Pgce's From Different Countries Other Than Uk

[stament]

I know that International schools value teachers with PGCE's from UK. However, what about those with PGCE's (or equivalent) from other countries?

For example, Australia, New Zealand and USA? Are there any rankings to these or are they all treated as being on a par?

I would guess that PGCE's from different countries have a different structure and content, they can't all be the same.

[PeaceBlondie]

If you conduct a word search for this Teaching Forum under PGCE you may find some answers. I started a thread about the equivalent in the USA (where we don't call it that), and Wangsuda responded with a lot of URL's about post-graduate undergraduate credits all over the USA. Here's the link to that topic: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?sh...666&hl=PGCE

One problem with top tier international schools in Thailand is that they prefer to recruit from overseas, and they expect the applicant to have finished their practice teaching and state certification back there.

In that topic, they point out that it can take two years, full time, to do the coursework and the practice teaching.

[stament]

If you conduct a word search for this Teaching Forum under PGCE you may find some answers. I started a thread about the equivalent in the USA (where we don't call it that), and Wangsuda responded with a lot of URL's about post-graduate undergraduate credits all over the USA.

One problem with top tier international schools in Thailand is that they prefer to recruit from overseas, and they expect the applicant to have finished their practice teaching and state certification back there.

Hi PB,

I did that first of all and there was one thread which looked relevant and I read that. But it didn't cover what I asked, hence my Q.

Thanks

Edited October 7, 2007 by stament

[stament]

Don't know how I missed that thread PB. I guess I'll have to put it down to being early Sunday morning for me!!!

Thanks for the link, but my Q still remains as it's not covered in that link.

Edited October 7, 2007 by stament

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Some schools follow curriculum from a particular country - British or American mainly. Those schools generally prefer teachers who were trained in and are very familiar with the curriculum.

But I have never heard of an international school not recognizing teaching certification from another "western" country, unless the person doing the hiring is not familiar with the different types of certifications.

A very good friend of mine, who has bilingual certification from California and had taught in the American public school system, along with international schools in Mexico, Mongolia and Peru, was turned down by the Australian headmaster of my previous school because he couldn't understand her certification. She went on to get a fantastic job as head of primary at another international school in Bangkok where the headmaster was American and knew what qualifications she was handing him.

A PGCE is only a PGCE in the UK, isn't it? It's just a name. I don't come from England, but we have a system where you get your BA and then do an extra year in teacher's college to become a certified teacher. Same same.

Cheers,

TT

[stament]

Some schools follow curriculum from a particular country - British or American mainly. Those schools generally prefer teachers who were trained in and are very familiar with the curriculum.

But I have never heard of an international school not recognizing teaching certification from another "western" country, unless the person doing the hiring is not familiar with the different types of certifications.

A very good friend of mine, who has bilingual certification from California and had taught in the American public school system, along with international schools in Mexico, Mongolia and Peru, was turned down by the Australian headmaster of my previous school because he couldn't understand her certification. She went on to get a fantastic job as head of primary at another international school in Bangkok where the headmaster was American and knew what qualifications she was handing him.

A PGCE is only a PGCE in the UK, isn't it? It's just a name. I don't come from England, but we have a system where you get your BA and then do an extra year in teacher's college to become a certified teacher. Same same.

Cheers,

TT

No they definately do a PGCE in Australia. But from what I've seen it looks "easier" so not sure if it will hold up against a UK one.

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Some schools follow curriculum from a particular country - British or American mainly. Those schools generally prefer teachers who were trained in and are very familiar with the curriculum.

But I have never heard of an international school not recognizing teaching certification from another "western" country, unless the person doing the hiring is not familiar with the different types of certifications.

A very good friend of mine, who has bilingual certification from California and had taught in the American public school system, along with international schools in Mexico, Mongolia and Peru, was turned down by the Australian headmaster of my previous school because he couldn't understand her certification. She went on to get a fantastic job as head of primary at another international school in Bangkok where the headmaster was American and knew what qualifications she was handing him.

A PGCE is only a PGCE in the UK, isn't it? It's just a name. I don't come from England, but we have a system where you get your BA and then do an extra year in teacher's college to become a certified teacher. Same same.

Cheers,

TT

No they definately do a PGCE in Australia. But from what I've seen it looks "easier" so not sure if it will hold up against a UK one.

Well whatever the name is, it's still a teaching qualification. There are heaps of Aussies at international schools.

The UK one is pretty stringent, I agree, but I don't think anyone would agree that it makes for any better qualified teachers. Friends of mine who went through the UK PGCE report learning how to put together bulletin boards just like every other teaching certification program teaches.

[stament]

Some schools follow curriculum from a particular country - British or American mainly. Those schools generally prefer teachers who were trained in and are very familiar with the curriculum.

But I have never heard of an international school not recognizing teaching certification from another "western" country, unless the person doing the hiring is not familiar with the different types of certifications.

A very good friend of mine, who has bilingual certification from California and had taught in the American public school system, along with international schools in Mexico, Mongolia and Peru, was turned down by the Australian headmaster of my previous school because he couldn't understand her certification. She went on to get a fantastic job as head of primary at another international school in Bangkok where the headmaster was American and knew what qualifications she was handing him.

A PGCE is only a PGCE in the UK, isn't it? It's just a name. I don't come from England, but we have a system where you get your BA and then do an extra year in teacher's college to become a certified teacher. Same same.

Cheers,

TT

No they definately do a PGCE in Australia. But from what I've seen it looks "easier" so not sure if it will hold up against a UK one.

Well whatever the name is, it's still a teaching qualification. There are heaps of Aussies at international schools.

The UK one is pretty stringent, I agree, but I don't think anyone would agree that it makes for any better qualified teachers. Friends of mine who went through the UK PGCE report learning how to put together bulletin boards just like every other teaching certification program teaches.

I'm not saying one is better than the other. It's just that it appears you need less units to qualify for the Australian one that's all. The other reason for the post was that I wanted to know how Thailand International schools perceived the qualifications. This again doesn't mean one is better than the other, but what is their view, and what do they prefer.

Are you Australian by any chance? lol

Thanks for reply anyway

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Some schools follow curriculum from a particular country - British or American mainly. Those schools generally prefer teachers who were trained in and are very familiar with the curriculum.

But I have never heard of an international school not recognizing teaching certification from another "western" country, unless the person doing the hiring is not familiar with the different types of certifications.

A very good friend of mine, who has bilingual certification from California and had taught in the American public school system, along with international schools in Mexico, Mongolia and Peru, was turned down by the Australian headmaster of my previous school because he couldn't understand her certification. She went on to get a fantastic job as head of primary at another international school in Bangkok where the headmaster was American and knew what qualifications she was handing him.

A PGCE is only a PGCE in the UK, isn't it? It's just a name. I don't come from England, but we have a system where you get your BA and then do an extra year in teacher's college to become a certified teacher. Same same.

Cheers,

TT

No they definately do a PGCE in Australia. But from what I've seen it looks "easier" so not sure if it will hold up against a UK one.

Well whatever the name is, it's still a teaching qualification. There are heaps of Aussies at international schools.

The UK one is pretty stringent, I agree, but I don't think anyone would agree that it makes for any better qualified teachers. Friends of mine who went through the UK PGCE report learning how to put together bulletin boards just like every other teaching certification program teaches.

I'm not saying one is better than the other. It's just that it appears you need less units to qualify for the Australian one that's all. The other reason for the post was that I wanted to know how Thailand International schools perceived the qualifications. This again doesn't mean one is better than the other, but what is their view, and what do they prefer.

Are you Australian by any chance? lol

Thanks for reply anyway

Not Aussie by a long shot. But I think you're right about needing less units to get the Aussie one. OK. I"m not an expert, but I've been in the international school system here for 5 years and my friends are mainly also int school teachers and no one has ever heard of any school looking down on an Aussie qualification. British schools prefer British qualifications and American schools prefer the American qualification. That's the only time I've heard of a school preferring a qualification from a particular country. At my last school, which was an IB school, we had AMerican, Kiwi, Canadian, Aussie, Scottish, and South African teachers.

You have a qualification or you're trying to decide where to get it from?

[stament]

The latter. Thanks for reply

[PeaceBlondie]

Question: do the best international schools in Thailand prefer a PGCE (or its equivalent, meaning first you get a BA in something and then get post graduate training in how to teach), or do they prefer a B.Ed. even moreso? By a B.Ed., I mean full education as a teacher, plus subject knowledge (all the areas that primary teachers have to know, or an area such as science or math or social studies)?

In other words, could a holder of a BS or a BA go to the trouble of getting a PGCE and then lose out to jobs that are grabbed up by B.Ed.'s?

[stament]

Question: do the best international schools in Thailand prefer a PGCE (or its equivalent, meaning first you get a BA in something and then get post graduate training in how to teach), or do they prefer a B.Ed. even moreso? By a B.Ed., I mean full education as a teacher, plus subject knowledge (all the areas that primary teachers have to know, or an area such as science or math or social studies)?

In other words, could a holder of a BS or a BA go to the trouble of getting a PGCE and then lose out to jobs that are grabbed up by B.Ed.'s?

Good question

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The best international schools in Thailand want MEds, I think.