Not All Doberman Dogs Are Dangerous.

[sawadikrap1955]

I like to give reaction on the story's over doberman dogs, and how bad dogs they are.

I'am owner from now a 2 year old doberman who i buy as puppy.

She is an nice dog for my two other huskey's breed, and never do bad to me my partner or quest allso not children.

That she is a doberman make that she protect the house, why people are afraid for her.

As owner from dogs i don't like that my dogs bark that the neighbours have problems with my dogs, but every dog give reaction.

My contact with my neighbours is like this that they can tell me when there is a problem.

I'am sorry that the doberman have a bad reputation.

That is why I tell a good story about this short of breed, and hope that more people have this experience with this breed.

Robert.

Sriracha

[Smithson]

I'm not sure if I understand, but I think maybe your neighbors don't like your dog?

If so be careful, poisoning dogs is common here. Sometimes it has nothing to do with the dog, just that somebody has a problem with you.

If your dog is protecting your house then thieves can just poison the dog. Most ppl would be more sad about losing their dog than losing some belongings.

[Nienke]

When I was still a young teenager I have been working on a kennel in Holland. The owner had been breeding dobermann for several years, and still had several when I started working there.

These dogs were wonderful great creatures; very sweet, playfull and obedient. Never had a problem with them. But sure enough, they would protect family and property which included me after a while. But then, dobermann as many other guarddog breeds are bred to protect.

I find it always so surprising that some people complain about 'aggressive' dogs when the dog is doing nothing more than for what is was bred originally, and at the same time these people want the dog to protect when the need arises. It just is so double, if you know what I mean.

Dobermann, Rottweiler, German shepherd, akita, pitbul, boxer (sure enough I can't forget to mention the boxer ) and any other guard dog breed are just great dogs. However, these are also (especially) the kind of dogs that need owners who are able to authorize them and who are willing to spend time effort and money in their education. And what many of us (Thaigerd, MsFigure, Sawatdeekrap1955, Elfe, November Rain, dogfather, just to name a few) know already, it is in this where so many people are lacking, not the dog.

Nienke

[Smithson]

When I was still a young teenager I have been working on a kennel in Holland. The owner had been breeding dobermann for several years, and still had several when I started working there.

These dogs were wonderful great creatures; very sweet, playfull and obedient. Never had a problem with them. But sure enough, they would protect family and property which included me after a while. But then, dobermann as many other guarddog breeds are bred to protect.

I find it always so surprising that some people complain about 'aggressive' dogs when the dog is doing nothing more than for what is was bred originally, and at the same time these people want the dog to protect when the need arises. It just is so double, if you know what I mean.

Dobermann, Rottweiler, German shepherd, akita, pitbul, boxer (sure enough I can't forget to mention the boxer ) and any other guard dog breed are just great dogs. However, these are also (especially) the kind of dogs that need owners who are able to authorize them and who are willing to spend time effort and money in their education. And what many of us (Thaigerd, MsFigure, Sawatdeekrap1955, Elfe, November Rain, dogfather, just to name a few) know already, it is in this where so many people are lacking, not the dog.

Nienke

These days people seem intolerant of behaviors that certain dogs were bred for e.g. guarding. Then you have people choosing and breeding dogs for the way they look rather than behave.

[rixalex]

At the end of the day, these are potentially dangerous creatures, and it's well known that some of them remain placid and loveable for years and years, only then to suddenly snap and attack a person. Choosing to buy one therefore i think is a potentially irresponsible thing to do. Perhaps if you live along on a larger estate it's ok, but in a city dwelling situation you are putting others lives at risk. In addition, living in a cramped suburburn set-up is cruel on such a big dog which needs plenty of exercise. Many Thai people don't seem to be aware as people are in the West of the importance of regular dog walking. They are selfishly bought to give the owner some peace of mind, with no thought to the dog or the neighbours. As a dog lover myself, i find it very sad.

[Nienke]

some of them remain placid and loveable for years and years, only then to suddenly snap and attack a person.

I don't want to be rude or insulting, but this is a typical remark of many who do not know much about dog behavior.

Dogs do not 'just snap/bite/attack out-of-the blue'. They do warn before in many different ways, but it is that people do not recognize these warnings. Even when a placid super-friendly dog does suddenly bite without any prior warning, there is still an explanation, and that is it is in (severe) pain or has a brain tumor.

But, yes, when one chooses to get a big dog, or actually any dog, this person (or persons) needs to learn the basics of the dog language and how behavior develops, and need to educate the dog. Plus, they should not leave their dog unsupervised with or without children in the close neighborhood of the dog. Therefore, I'm very much in favor that dog owners are obliged to get a dog owning license with a theoretical and practical test. Same as when you want to drive a car, the driver needs to have a driver's license first. Anywhere, whether it is a crowded or deserted area, dog owners must have good control over their dogs. And that's where it goes wrong so often.

The very rare dog that does show abnormal character (by birth and not be learned behavior, and that is very dominant aggressive behavior) should be culled straight away, although even those do warn before they bite.

For this, I'm also in favor of registration of dogs, so that the dog owner can be made responsible for the misbehavior of his or her dog.

Nienke

[rixalex]

some of them remain placid and loveable for years and years, only then to suddenly snap and attack a person.

I don't want to be rude or insulting, but this is a typical remark of many who do not know much about dog behavior.

Dogs do not 'just snap/bite/attack out-of-the blue'. They do warn before in many different ways, but it is that people do not recognize these warnings. Even when a placid super-friendly dog does suddenly bite without any prior warning, there is still an explanation, and that is it is in (severe) pain or has a brain tumor.

Nienke

Been a dog owner many years, and also own and run and dog grooming business, so think i am fairly well tuned into dog behaviour and usually am able to read the signs they give. But just because you or i might have some understanding of dog psychology, doesn't mean that other people like your neighbours will have. That was the danger i was refering to.

And to repeat - dogs of that size should be getting at least two 30 minute walks every day. How many owners are responsible enough to do that?

To my mind, they just don't make suitable pets for the vast majority.

[Smithson]

All dogs are potentially dangerous, even tiny ones have killed ppl. The answer is responsible ownership, which includes training and walking. Dogs have been around ppl for thousands of year, performing many important functions. In the last few decades society has become really concerned about dog attacks. Dogs are seen as a potential threat, with many countries banning certain breeds, but few countries legislating for responsible ownership or running education programs.

Comparing this with cars, which also perform important functions, but cause much more death and injury.

I also feel sorry for the dogs stuck in small houses. There's alot of St. Bernard's and Siberians over here, I'm not an expert, but it would seem they would really suffer in this heat.

[Smithson]

The media always identifies the breed (often wrongly) involved in attacks, but usually doesn't go into the circumstances surrounding the attack. In most situations it's no wonder the attack took place. Ppl leave their kids unsupervised with dogs, often when the dog(s) are eating, have toys, have puppies etc. The best way to prevent attacks people need to understand why dogs bite.

Ppl bring kids, often very young, to my house. I'm nervous the whole time, because I've got pups. The parents however rarely supervise their kids, it's left up to me. Watching kids around dogs it's amazing there aren't more attacks, because they do everything that dogs don't like. Besides hitting and hurting them, kids will chase dogs into a corner, stare straight at them, walk around waving food and a whole host other things.

[Nienke]

Of course, you are right when you say that others (neighbors, etc) often do not recognize the signals a dog gives. But, IMO, it is the responsibility of the owner/s to know their dog/s and to make sure (unecessary) accidents do not happen.

And, again, of course, you are right that unfortunately there are many dog owners not taking their responsibilties serious. That's why I'm in favor of the dog owning license. Failed the theoretical and practical test: NO dog. But then still, there will remain owners who still shouldn't have a dog (or any pet) despite the license. It will be at least a lot less.

Unfortunately, this remains being a dream of an ideal world.

And, yes, this "I don't want to be rude or insulting, but this is a typical remark of many who do not know much about dog behavior." was a bit of a blunt remark. I apologize. I just shouldn't write/type or even come out of my bed with a buzzing headache the whole day

Nienke

[Smithson]

I agree the final responsibility lies with the owner, licensing is a good idea. Dogs are a part of society, so it's a good idea for everyone to have knowledge about them. Education programs in Sydney have proved successful in teaching kids how to behave around dogs.

It's also good to be reminded of all the positive things dogs do, not just obvious things like guide dogs and police dogs, but other stuff like sensing depression and illness. This would help owners and ppl in general appreciate their role more.

[rixalex]

And, yes, this "I don't want to be rude or insulting, but this is a typical remark of many who do not know much about dog behavior." was a bit of a blunt remark. I apologize. I just shouldn't write/type or even come out of my bed with a buzzing headache the whole day

Nienke

No offence taken. I think we are both rowing in the same direction anyway. Getting dog owners to act humanely and responsibly is the goal. Maybe the dog chips will be a step in that direction.

[sawadikrap1955]

I read today all the reactions about having a doberman dog, and didn't expect this.

It is reason to think good about all what i read, but i have not the feeling that I'am irresponsible as owner.

Or that people or children have risk to hurt themselves because of my doberman dog.

For the short period that i know this site, i never hear that people poison dogs.

New and a reason to be carefull for my dogs.

I learn much from all the reactions, and think about this all.

[mrphil]

I like to give reaction on the story's over doberman dogs, and how bad dogs they are.

I'am owner from now a 2 year old doberman who i buy as puppy.

She is an nice dog for my two other huskey's breed, and never do bad to me my partner or quest allso not children.

That she is a doberman make that she protect the house, why people are afraid for her.

As owner from dogs i don't like that my dogs bark that the neighbours have problems with my dogs, but every dog give reaction.

My contact with my neighbours is like this that they can tell me when there is a problem.

I'am sorry that the doberman have a bad reputation.

That is why I tell a good story about this short of breed, and hope that more people have this experience with this breed.

Robert.

Sriracha

Hi Robert.

I too had a female Doberman as a puppy almost 10 years ago. She was a loving family dog,

loved kids, never got angry with anything (even the local cats - at one point she nursed for two weeks

two baby kittens a stray cat brought into our house !)

Unfortunately she died earlier this month of stomach cancer.

I want to replace her. Do you know (or anyone else reading this know) where I can find a Doberman

puppy. Price not an issue, and doesn't need to be 'top pedigree'.

Phil

Pattaya

[nordman1]

I like to give reaction on the story's over doberman dogs, and how bad dogs they are.

I'am owner from now a 2 year old doberman who i buy as puppy.

She is an nice dog for my two other huskey's breed, and never do bad to me my partner or quest allso not children.

That she is a doberman make that she protect the house, why people are afraid for her.

As owner from dogs i don't like that my dogs bark that the neighbours have problems with my dogs, but every dog give reaction.

My contact with my neighbours is like this that they can tell me when there is a problem.

I'am sorry that the doberman have a bad reputation.

That is why I tell a good story about this short of breed, and hope that more people have this experience with this breed.

Robert.

Sriracha

Hi robert

could you be at help to find a good breeded dobberman in Thailand. i live in jomtien but move down to bang shang 2 minit from the beach so greath place to have a dog that need space and fresh air. had dobber before in denmark.

[Gary A]

I have a Doberman story too. Years ago I had a big male named Pete. He was well trained and would not leave the property. I might add that the property was two acres. He stayed in a fenced in kennel at night and when we were not home. His dog house roof was level with the top of the kennel fence and he enjoyed laying on the roof of his dog house. All he had to do was to jump off the roof and he was out. He was a big baby and loved people but he did protect his territory. We lived out in the country and up the road lived a boy about 12 or 13 years old who was a known thief. One day I happened to be home but left Pete in his kennel. The boy knew that when we were not home, Pete was penned up. I heard that boy screaming. The boy rode his bicycle into the driveway. Pete took him off the bicycle and was standing over the boy growling. I ran out there, put Pete back in his kennel and told the boy that if I had not been home, Pete would have killed him. I'm sure that wasn't true but the boy believed it. Pete never bit him and other than being bruised from falling off the bicycle the boy wasn't hurt. Pete never bit anyone but he scared salesman and anyone else who passed our house.

I really wanted a Doberman here but was talked out of it by people who were afraid of them. I ended up with a Golden Retriever who has turned out to be a pretty good watch dog. I'm sure my Golden, Cookie would never bite anyone but since he is big and has a fierce growl, people don't trust him not to bite. I doubt that I will ever have another Doberman but I sure would like to have one.

[poshthai]

Dobermans are not an aggresive dog by nature,its the owners who want the dog to be big and nasty.All big dogs can be frightening if they attack and all big dogs have big teeth.Dobermans are very inteligent and i was told by a dog handler in the uk police force that the reason they have alsations is because they are thick and dobbies are too clever.Large dogs need plenty of excersise and owners have a reponsibility to do that and not just let them out in the public areas.

You dont train dogs you train the owner.