spot Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Great CV While Samak now rails against the military and its ouster of Thaksin, he hasn't always been aligned against them. Thai society was deeply polarized between left and right when Indochina fell under communist rule in 1975. On the morning of Oct. 6, 1976, police and right-wing paramilitary mobs invaded Thammasat University, raping, lynching and burning alive scores of students who were demonstrating for greater civil liberties. A few hours later, the military staged a coup. Samak was then appointed interior minister in one of Thailand's most repressive governments. Leftists and students were hunted down and jailed. "I blame him," says Prof. Thientham Thiensirichai, a former student who fled to the jungles and is now a member of the Matchima political party, a smaller TRT splinter-party. "He is my enemy." In May 1992, Bangkok's middle class rose up to demand that the then coup leader, Gen. Suchinda Krapayoon, resign. Suchinda had the army open fire, killing scores in what has come to be known as "Black May." Samak, who was deputy prime minister, called the demonstrators troublemakers and communists, and said it was acceptable for the government to shoot them. After the King intervened and democracy was restored, Samak still won a seat to parliament in Bangkok's military-dominated Dusit district. During the late 1990s, he and Thaksin served as cabinet ministers in the scandal-plagued government of Prime Minister Banharn Silpa-archa. Samak and Thaksin were publicly admonished by the King for arguing with each other rather than solving the capital's notorious traffic problems. Nonetheless, in 2000, Samak was elected Bangkok governor, winning in a landslide. Though his term lacked notable accomplishments — and he's under investigation for alleged corruption in the procurement of fire trucks — Bangkok voters sent him to the Senate in April 2005. I can only conclude from the above that the entire political landscape of Thailand is tainted and that if Samak and the PPP win a majority, that the majority of Thai voters are irresponsible, don't give a fig about Thailand or democracy, corrupt politicians or Buddhist precepts. At least Thais can now stop pretending they want to be like developed countries having voted against any substantial change from the existing feudal system. The world now certainly knows the black heart of Thailand remains and it will be demonstrated to the world when Mr. T is welcomed back as a returning hero. My guess is he'll come back within a day or 2 of Samak's taking the PM position. The next military coup will be a tougher struggle and there will be bloodshed. But this is exactly what the Thais have voted for. So be it. Sadly, after the fighting ends those same Thais will vote those responsible back into office to repeat it all over again. Agree. If the majority votes in the PPP party, it isn't because of policies or ideas; it is only because they thought they were voting for Thaksin. Maybe people should have to pass a basic IQ test before being allowed to vote.... Will Samak will want to hand over all his glory and power to Thaksin? They had a real chance of getting something fresh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulmercke Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 TITV's transmission of Samak's press conference temporarily cut - Samak talking about Prem at the time. Now back on air! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumnien Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Looks like Sonthi's recount clears up an honest mistake. People voting for PPP party really meant to vote for the Prem & Peau Pandin party... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seonai Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Bulmercke, so you mean the PPP won, but not outright and now Samak is saying they didn't win - is this because it's not an outright majority or does it mean he's been pressured into standing down Keep us posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel2surf Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Samak still talking live on TV. Expressing grave disappointment about losing but says he can't comment on other issues.He's now stating that because of martial law they're now (presumably0 the CNS are trying to stop PPP from forming the next government. Asked by a foreign reporter if he has any contact with the military replies no. Speaking very negatively about the CNS now and mentioning that leaders of two minor parties are meeting with Prem no. Now stating that there is no oppostion in Thailand and that we need an oppostion. Samak continuing to admonish and severely criticise the CNS. Samak speaking english and praising army commander in chief. Transmission could possibly be cut. Bulmer,where are you seeing this,and is it in English? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbowman1993 Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 PPP will never form a government. You guys knew this going in. Why is it such a surprise.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulmercke Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Samak now stating that the exit polls didn't take account of the advance voting numbers and that the two weren't 'harmonised.' Inferring some kind of irregularity but reluctant to explain further. Press conference now over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumnien Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 How old is Prem now; scary stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulmercke Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Have the PPP had the election stolen from them - seems so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Have the PPP had the election stolen from them - seems so! We can hope ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumnien Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Does anyone know what time in the morning Prem and Sondhi announce the final count? Gee, I wonder what the result will be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man River Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Samak now stating that the exit polls didn't take account of the advance voting numbers and that the two weren't 'harmonised.' Inferring some kind of irregularity but reluctant to explain further.Press conference now over. He said the exit polls weren't "harmonized" in Bangkok, but were in agreement for the rest of the country. He is only questioning the vote in Bangkok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel2surf Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 ...the suspense and uncertainty...i need a drink...oh yea... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george Posted December 23, 2007 Author Share Posted December 23, 2007 Jakrapob says Prem calls leaders of Chart Thai, Puea Pandin to meeting BANGKOK: -- Jakrapob Penkair, a leading member of the People Power Party, alleged that Privy Council President Prem Tinsulanonda had interfered in politics by calling the leaders of the Chart Thai and Puea Paendin parties to a meeting. Jakrapob said he had received confirmed reports that Chart Thai leader Banharn Silapa-archa and Suwit Khunkitti were summoned to meet Prem at his Sisao Theves residence at 7:30 pm. -- The Nation 2007-12-23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtgruen Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Samak now stating that the exit polls didn't take account of the advance voting numbers and that the two weren't 'harmonised.' Inferring some kind of irregularity but reluctant to explain further.Press conference now over. He said the exit polls weren't "harmonized" in Bangkok, but were in agreement for the rest of the country. He is only questioning the vote in Bangkok. As much as I'd like to see the PPP loose, I can't find anything on it on any of the official media. Did anyone else see this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george Posted December 23, 2007 Author Share Posted December 23, 2007 Samak declares victory, announces coalition formation BANGKOK: -- People Power Party leader Samak Sundaravej declared victor and announced that he would contest to form a coalition. He said the People Power has only some seats short of simple majority so it would like to invite other parties to join its coalition. -- The Nation 2007-12-23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaze Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Jakrapob says Prem calls leaders of Chart Thai, Puea Pandin to meetingBANGKOK: -- Jakrapob Penkair, a leading member of the People Power Party, alleged that Privy Council President Prem Tinsulanonda had interfered in politics by calling the leaders of the Chart Thai and Puea Paendin parties to a meeting. Jakrapob said he had received confirmed reports that Chart Thai leader Banharn Silapa-archa and Suwit Khunkitti were summoned to meet Prem at his Sisao Theves residence at 7:30 pm. -- The Nation 2007-12-23 totally unnesscesary- this more than any thing else vote buying- a PPP win- EC incompetence- if this is true- I see polarization like never before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 How old is Prem now; scary stuff! 97 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratcatcher Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 (edited) How old is Prem now; scary stuff! Prem is 87 years old and His Majesty's chief adviser. Scary? Edited December 23, 2007 by ratcatcher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukkha Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 What is Abhisit saying in press conference...he seems pretty up beat... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumnien Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Abhisit now accepting defeat on Thai TV - 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulmercke Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Abhisit now talking on TV and looking every bit like the new leader elect. Lots of applause and cheering from his supporters. Basically a victory speech though the final count isn't complete yet. The military have made their move. If I had voted for the PPP today I would be really pxxxed. Democracy doesn't exist in Thailand - it's just a vague notion. TIT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm-happy Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Looks like Sonthi's recount clears up an honest mistake. People voting for PPP party really meant to vote for the Prem & Peau Pandin party... Now I've heard everything! Dejavu from 2000 US election in Florida. The Thais have learned a few new tricks. I would suppose that those who thought they were voting for Prem & Peau party were senior, senior citizens and easily confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xangsamhua Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 How old is Prem now; scary stuff! Born 26 August 1920 = 87 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man River Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Bangkok Pundit is reporting that Abhisit is upbeat about the Demo's winning 160+ seats. He has vowed that the Demo's will not join the PPP and would join other parties if they chose not to join the PPP as well. He says it is up to the other parties as to what they want to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumnien Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Samak and Prem have a combined age of 160 years old! Oh my, maybe Abhisit isn't such a bad choice after all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaoPo Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 BREAKING NEWSNEWS24 - Thailand - A PPP spokesaman has just announced on Thai television that the Chart Thai and Peua Paendin leaders are currently meeting with Prem Tinsulonda at his Tavees residence. He expressed concern about this other 'process' which is on-going with the election count. Scheduled PPP press conference delayed. And WHAT exactly does that mean ? Please explain. LaoPo Maybe nobody noticed it and let me repeat my question: And WHAT exactly does that mean ? see above in bold Anybody ? LaoPo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaoPo Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 (edited) This is common knowledge to the entire population and not of any consequence in this context..lets stay on the topic of todays election... suppose you're not answering to post #269 ? edit: have seen your answer in previous post. LaoPo Edited December 23, 2007 by LaoPo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bino Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 BREAKING NEWSNEWS24 - Thailand - A PPP spokesaman has just announced on Thai television that the Chart Thai and Peua Paendin leaders are currently meeting with Prem Tinsulonda at his Tavees residence. He expressed concern about this other 'process' which is on-going with the election count. Scheduled PPP press conference delayed. And WHAT exactly does that mean ? Please explain. LaoPo LaoPo- I'm guessing that Prem will try to influence how these parties will align themselves in any coalition agreememnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaze Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 BREAKING NEWSNEWS24 - Thailand - A PPP spokesaman has just announced on Thai television that the Chart Thai and Peua Paendin leaders are currently meeting with Prem Tinsulonda at his Tavees residence. He expressed concern about this other 'process' which is on-going with the election count. Scheduled PPP press conference delayed. And WHAT exactly does that mean ? Please explain. LaoPo LaoPo- I'm guessing that Prem will try to influence how these parties will align themselves in any coalition agreememnt. is that authorized by ANY constitution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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