Singapore Keeps Australian Terror Scare Pilot

[LaoPo]

Ok, now I am curious... let's take a roll call.

How many pilots are there on this thread... PPL, CPL, ATP, whatever?

How many of them are at least CPL.

And how many with commercial (civil or GA) experience in Thailand?

Just wondering.

For me, ex-military aircrew CPL sea and land, single, twin, turbine. Unfortunately, I don't fly in Thailand... too much BS to deal with. Malaysia works better.

Well jacksparrow, you might be an experienced pilot and you're good in answering questions YOU like...but fail to answer the questions you don't like...

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?sh...t&p=1833131

LaoPo

[Gatorade]

There is nothing in this thread for the Coco owners to get excited about. This asset has gone. Too late.....

Speculation:

• The new owners have bought it at a knock down price, and it has been legally transferred onto the Australian Register
  
• A Pilot (and a Director of the new owners) plus an engineer fly and take a look, ohh there are lots of outstanding bills
  
• They check the tech logs and see an excuse
  
• They ask for a test flight, no problem, agreed
  
• Take off and shock, a sudden problem
  
• Koh Samui does not bother to radio them for 2 1/2 hour hence the press report
  
• We need go to Singapore, of course, on the way to Australia
  
• And suddenly an F16 appears outside the right wing
  

Purely speculation of course.......

Great summary... one change I would make though...the 2 1/2 hour call is CYA and misinformation from the tower. They were in radio contact thoughout the time the plane was in Thailand airspace.

The F16 thing is the current problem. Why?

It's so nice to hold a dialog with such an aviation enthusiest, even if only an archair one... Why don't you all take the time and effort to get a commercial pilots license, work as a bush pilot for a few years, then "maybe" you'll graduate to flying caravans. Then we can talk.

Jack saprrow. is that your own CV..?? it sounds a lot like the one who was flying the plane.. you know Ansset air and then a bush flyer and then a caravan flyer... the only thing left out is that high level of pilot training and kowledge that led to the incident with those pilots of the caravan lost in South Africa....

rings a bell???

it seems that there are many types of pilot training and maybe yours was somewhat different but then again bush pilots are not realy trained in international approaches are they??

there is a long going story about a bush pilot's first call to Victoria International tower in Canada being: "Victoria tower. This is xxxx short final for 09.

maybe the owner and the pilot ex Ansett Airlines pilot, had no clue about filing flight plans and that sort of bothersome administrative details when crossing international boundaries???

most PIC even though having "total controll" would not figure all those assumptions about "marine time emegencies" and "turttle" and all other considerations that you have outlined during a state of emergency . a responsible PIC that goes up for a 40 minute test flight does not need to fly 5 hours and 1000km to the furthest international airport and then land with out any problem.

and this qulified pilot was not aware of air security following 9/11??? he passed various controllers on the malasia side and not gound the time to ask them to report to SG about his arrival?? and if he did then at their last point of contact with malaysia, which is over johore, why did they not switch frequency to contact singapore?? is this the conduct of a professional pilot??

to sum it up....

No Flight Plan.

No customs clearance.

No immigration clearance.

No speak on the radio apart from from advising Koh Samui initially of a 1 hr jolly!

the plane finally landed on 02C and parked at Bay 404 in SG,

It was spotted at the North Eastern part of Singapore. they were not contactable initially as the ATCs were trying to ident the aircraft flying. seems strange that such a "qulified pilot" would no take the time to use emergency chanels "mayday call "to contact SG and advise them of this "emeregency"arrival.

the ground crew that were refused an international divert did not have enough time(5 hours) to call SG and inform them???

If we are to accept your explenation. then this is one of the worst performances by a pilot. but then again what do we expect from bush pilots.

just some more information regarding the plane. it was registered to Coco then trnasfered to Mali Sad and then transfered to the new australian buyer and all this in a time frame of 3 weeks... Aviation history.. and all this while Coco are in a jam... does raise an eybrow does it not??

Highdiver do you have some other issue? With Coco perhaps? You have constantly given out inaccurate information throughout the threads. Your last Para is typical and totally wrong. Raise an eyebrow indeed! The aircraft was registered from the word go in Mali Sadds name. That is until the new buyer came along. So what does this have to do with Aviation History?

This is not meant to be either an insult or flaming but I think a lot of people would be interested in the extent of your Aviation experence. :D .

never had an issue with Coco. i jusr find the whole thread a bit like a movie..

as per given out wrong information...

at first i was only speculating and having fun as were every one else on this thread about the different options as raised by the media.

and then came "solid" information from those who "know"the plane and the pilot to teach us that all is not as in the media.

I have no interest at all at this case but it seems there are some big question marks as to the pilots behaviour and the ATC as well..

put this with the Coco problems and you ahve a noce thread...

As per my Aviation experience it goes way way back and icludes militery, civil and international comercial total loged of over 4500 hours.

For one "who has no interest at all" you certainly have been remarkably vociferous!!

[highdiver]

Gator

and this is contrarry to your clamorous, blatant, strident, boisterous posts ....

is this forum not about being obstreperous?

[beech]

Gator

and this is contrarry to your clamorous, blatant, strident, boisterous posts ....

is this forum not about being obstreperous?

Lets put this all into persective.

Isuue is that Jack Sparrow/mate f***** up.

Or more mildly made a very bad call.

Good call Lao Pao. You said what many others also see.

I hear from Singa that the singaporeans want the $100,000 for the F-16's they scrambled.

The airlines want compensation too ( 2 million i heard) , for their own LOCAL unsceduled flights they conducted while these snoozers in the caravan were on their LOCAL unnanounced inbound flight.

I am no expert but did the F-16's put in a plan? Thay were airborne rather quickly.

Were they on a LOCAL flight as well?

Looks like we had 16 airliners and a caravan and two F-16's all conducting a local flight around singa.

ALL without flight plans.

This is all so funny.

Poor Singa radar. 19 aircraft all over the place on a LOCAL!

Oh, and changi parking up fees per day, are rather expensive too.

Easiest solution I see is that the airforce, the airlines, Changi airport and the pilot all bear thir own costs and everybody just simply goes home and gets on with their lives.

[Gatorade]

Gator

and this is contrarry to your clamorous, blatant, strident, boisterous posts ....

is this forum not about being obstreperous?

I take that as a compliment! I admit to being stroppy and a grumpy old man.

However the point I was making that you had a hel_l of a lot of input

for someone wih a "declared no interest".

[Gatorade]

Singapore air force intercepts Thai plane

Singapore (dpa) - Singapore's airspace was shut down for nearly an hour while two air force F16 jets were scrambled to intercept a civilian plane without an approved flight plan, the defence ministry said on Wednesday.

The single-engine turboprop Cessna 208 "was heading towards Singapore airspace," said the ministry's statement. The plane was escorted to Changi Airport.

The two "fighters were scrambled to intercept (the) civilian aircraft" at 6:42 pm Tuesday, the ministry said.

Police were investigating the incident.

The plane was reportedly flying from the Thai resort island of Koh Samui. The shutdown of commercial airspace affected 23 aircraft, disrupting flights in and out of Changi. It ended at 8 pm.

Sixteen incoming flights and six departing flights were delayed between 15 and 40 minutes each, said the Civil Aviation Authority.

One inbound aircraft was diverted to Senai Airport in southern Malaysia. The plane arrived at Changi later.

Aviation experts said the airport has been operating on an enhanced defence against airborne terrorist threats 24 hours a day since the September 11, 2001 attacks in the United States.

See todays PPRUNE for update from Straits Times.

[highdiver]

http://www.straitstimes.com/Latest%2...ry_211362.html

HMMMM???

where is jack the Sparrow?? maybe he can enligten us why the Singaporeans are sending him to court??

also from the above website a small remark

"Think the pilot forgot his aircraft was a VH tail number and that he actually had an Australian engineer onboard.

An engineer who legaly could have fixed it regardless of what airport they landed at .

Quick stroke of the pen and she's all good again.

This guy must be the first engineer in history to go on a local 1000 kn international joy flight!"

does anyone kno what the parking costs are at Singapore???

[Gatorade]

http://www.straitstimes.com/Latest%2...ry_211362.html

HMMMM???

where is jack the Sparrow?? maybe he can enligten us why the Singaporeans are sending him to court??

also from the above website a small remark

"Think the pilot forgot his aircraft was a VH tail number and that he actually had an Australian engineer onboard.

An engineer who legaly could have fixed it regardless of what airport they landed at .

Quick stroke of the pen and she's all good again.

This guy must be the first engineer in history to go on a local 1000 kn international joy flight!"

does anyone kno what the parking costs are at Singapore???

all

This particular article revolves around a charge of flying without a Certificate of Airworthiness.

Before the "charged as guilty" is pronouced here and the gloating starts. I seem to recall

that a Flight for ferry/test purposes may be flown without a Cof A providing it is for the purpose

of maintenance. There are many caveats for such a flight and they vary from State to State.

In some cases a temporary Cof A may be issued.

As an aside, and as there are many "conspiracy theories" here on this site, do you think that it might be possible

that the flight might have been "kosher" and that the Authorities are trying to find an excuse for their poor performance?? Only a thought.

[highdiver]

http://www.straitstimes.com/Latest%2...ry_211362.html

HMMMM???

where is jack the Sparrow?? maybe he can enligten us why the Singaporeans are sending him to court??

also from the above website a small remark

"Think the pilot forgot his aircraft was a VH tail number and that he actually had an Australian engineer onboard.

An engineer who legaly could have fixed it regardless of what airport they landed at .

Quick stroke of the pen and she's all good again.

This guy must be the first engineer in history to go on a local 1000 kn international joy flight!"

does anyone kno what the parking costs are at Singapore???

all

This particular article revolves around a charge of flying without a Certificate of Airworthiness.

Before the "charged as guilty" is pronouced here and the gloating starts. I seem to recall

that a Flight for ferry/test purposes may be flown without a Cof A providing it is for the purpose

of maintenance. There are many caveats for such a flight and they vary from State to State.

In some cases a temporary Cof A may be issued.

As an aside, and as there are many "conspiracy theories" here on this site, do you think that it might be possible

that the flight might have been "kosher" and that the Authorities are trying to find an excuse for their poor performance?? Only a thought.

totaly agree with you on that one.

however you must admit that there are to many factors here that contribute to this "conspiracy theories" and if all is "kosher" will be decided on the court day on March.

I still claim that we can sell this thread to a holywood script writer.

[Gatorade]

http://www.straitstimes.com/Latest%2...ry_211362.html

HMMMM???

where is jack the Sparrow?? maybe he can enligten us why the Singaporeans are sending him to court??

also from the above website a small remark

"Think the pilot forgot his aircraft was a VH tail number and that he actually had an Australian engineer onboard.

An engineer who legaly could have fixed it regardless of what airport they landed at .

Quick stroke of the pen and she's all good again.

This guy must be the first engineer in history to go on a local 1000 kn international joy flight!"

does anyone kno what the parking costs are at Singapore???

all

This particular article revolves around a charge of flying without a Certificate of Airworthiness.

Before the "charged as guilty" is pronouced here and the gloating starts. I seem to recall

that a Flight for ferry/test purposes may be flown without a Cof A providing it is for the purpose

of maintenance. There are many caveats for such a flight and they vary from State to State.

In some cases a temporary Cof A may be issued.

As an aside, and as there are many "conspiracy theories" here on this site, do you think that it might be possible

that the flight might have been "kosher" and that the Authorities are trying to find an excuse for their poor performance?? Only a thought.

totaly agree with you on that one.

however you must admit that there are to many factors here that contribute to this "conspiracy theories" and if all is "kosher" will be decided on the court day on March.

I still claim that we can sell this thread to a holywood script writer. ;)

Your right, perhaps a small series!

[LaoPo]

The provided link didn't work, so here's the story, after some search:

Feb 28, 2008

Aussie pilot charged with unauthorised flight into S'pore

By Elena Chong, Court Correspondent

Clad in a short-sleeve blue shirt and tie and khaki trousers, Thomas was calm when the charge under the Air Navigation Order was read to him. -- ST PHOTO: LIM SIN THAI

AN AUSTRALIAN who flew into Singapore last month on a Cessna 208 without an approved flight plan was charged in a district court on Thursday with flying without a certificate of airworthiness.

Rhys Henry Thomas, 59, is alleged to have piloted the 1998 Australian-registered Caravan amphibious seaplane without the valid certificate issued by the Australian authority at about 7.20pm on Jan 22.

He is believed to have flown in from Koh Samui, Thailand, with a passenger.

Clad in a short-sleeve blue shirt and tie and khaki trousers, Thomas was calm when the charge under the Air Navigation Order was read to him.

If convicted, he faces a fine of up to $5,000 or a year's jail, or both.

His lawyer, Mr Salem Ibrahim, applied for the case to be adjourned to make representations to the Attorney-General's Chambers.

The prosecution sought bail of $15,000 but counsel asked for the bail to be reduced to a third.

Mr Ibrahim said his client had been here for the past five weeks and had his passport with him. He assured the court that there was no flight risk.

But Inspector Leow Teck Wee disagreed. As a foreigner, he said Thomas had no links or ties in Singapore and his attendance must be compelled with an appropriate amount of bail.

District Judge John Ng set bail at $10,000 and impounded his passport.

The case has been fixed for a pre-trial conference on March 13.

http://www.straitstimes.com/Latest%2BNews/...ory_211362.html

LaoPo

[breezein]

PLEASE THIS THREAD HAS RAN ITS COURSE. YAWN YAWN

[LaoPo]

PLEASE THIS THREAD HAS RAN ITS COURSE. YAWN YAWN

Go to bed, you need sleep.

LaoPo

[beech]

http://www.straitstimes.com/Latest%2...ry_211362.html

HMMMM???

where is jack the Sparrow?? maybe he can enligten us why the Singaporeans are sending him to court??

also from the above website a small remark

"Think the pilot forgot his aircraft was a VH tail number and that he actually had an Australian engineer onboard.

An engineer who legaly could have fixed it regardless of what airport they landed at .

Quick stroke of the pen and she's all good again.

This guy must be the first engineer in history to go on a local 1000 kn international joy flight!"

does anyone kno what the parking costs are at Singapore???

all

This particular article revolves around a charge of flying without a Certificate of Airworthiness.

Before the "charged as guilty" is pronouced here and the gloating starts. I seem to recall

that a Flight for ferry/test purposes may be flown without a Cof A providing it is for the purpose

of maintenance. There are many caveats for such a flight and they vary from State to State.

In some cases a temporary Cof A may be issued.

As an aside, and as there are many "conspiracy theories" here on this site, do you think that it might be possible

that the flight might have been "kosher" and that the Authorities are trying to find an excuse for their poor performance?? Only a thought.

totaly agree with you on that one.

however you must admit that there are to many factors here that contribute to this "conspiracy theories" and if all is "kosher" will be decided on the court day on March.

I still claim that we can sell this thread to a holywood script writer. ;)

Your right, perhaps a small series!

Have not heard from Jack for a while.

Thought we would have got the latest developments.

Pre trial in March is just the start.

On good authority, more serious charges to follow and all will be revealed.

Is this guy the Chief pilot of his show in Australia given his now and expected long term absence?

No forged or altered documents there I hope.

The bills on this will outweigh the value of the aicraft parked up at Changi.

Probably be a good idea for this guy to get his assets out of his name in Australia now, given some serious bills are looming, and judgments on costs and fines may follow him to Australia from Singa.

If so, at least more unfortunates will be compensated for this guys blatant disregard of the system which has unecessarily cost the community and authorities lots of money.

[beech]

PLEASE THIS THREAD HAS RAN ITS COURSE. YAWN YAWN

Go to bed, you need sleep.

LaoPo

Hey Breezein it's time to breeze out!

see ya.

[beech]

PLEASE THIS THREAD HAS RAN ITS COURSE. YAWN YAWN

Go to bed, you need sleep.

LaoPo

Hey Breezein it's time to breeze out!

see ya.

Now it's back to those script writers.

Application is imminent through the courts cause of a sick family member back home. (International that is)

Whats going on Jack?

I wouldn't come back to Singa either with only $10000 as bail.

Word is the aircraft parked up at Changi is not yours.

In fact, ownership I am told will take years for the courts to determine.

Misappropriation of funds is the word I am hearing.

AMONGST OTHER THINGS!!!.

But before we here more, lets here from your supporters back home first.

This forum will here all about this and everything else you are not telling us in the very near future jack.

Dont think you will get away with it this time.

[breezein]

PLEASE THIS THREAD HAS RAN ITS COURSE. YAWN YAWN

Go to bed, you need sleep.

LaoPo

Hey Breezein it's time to breeze out!

see ya.

Now it's back to those script writers.

Application is imminent through the courts cause of a sick family member back home. (International that is)

Whats going on Jack?

I wouldn't come back to Singa either with only $10000 as bail.

Word is the aircraft parked up at Changi is not yours.

In fact, ownership I am told will take years for the courts to determine.

Misappropriation of funds is the word I am hearing.

AMONGST OTHER THINGS!!!.

But before we here more, lets here from your supporters back home first.

This forum will here all about this and everything else you are not telling us in the very near future jack.

Dont think you will get away with it this time.

Script writers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[highdiver]

[Highdiver do you have some other issue? With Coco perhaps? You have constantly given out inaccurate information throughout the threads. Your last Para is typical and totally wrong. Raise an eyebrow indeed! The aircraft was registered from the word go in Mali Sadds name. That is until the new buyer came along. So what does this have to do with Aviation History?This is not meant to be either an insult or flaming but I think a lot of people would be interested in the extent of your Aviation experence. .

Gator my Dear.

while helping a friend do some paper work for his private jet I found the following in the Thai civil aircraft register .

HS-CCO Cessna 208 floatplane c/n 20800278 ex N208GT, HS-BWA(2)

R25-Jul-05 to Coco Seaplane; ownership change to Mrs. Mali Sadd; current Dec-07; canx Jan-08; to VH-NRP

the above plane was registered to Coco sea planes from july 2005 and then suddenly was cahnged to Mali Sadd December 7th and then less then a month to the australians. now why do you think they took the trouble to make a change to malis name for only one month???

why does Jack sparrow insist that it was not in coco's name???

it does raise an eybrow

Jack oh Jackkk sparrow...... where are you???

[Gatorade]

[Highdiver do you have some other issue? With Coco perhaps? You have constantly given out inaccurate information throughout the threads. Your last Para is typical and totally wrong. Raise an eyebrow indeed! The aircraft was registered from the word go in Mali Sadds name. That is until the new buyer came along. So what does this have to do with Aviation History?This is not meant to be either an insult or flaming but I think a lot of people would be interested in the extent of your Aviation experence. .

Gator my Dear.

while helping a friend do some paper work for his private jet I found the following in the Thai civil aircraft register .

HS-CCO Cessna 208 floatplane c/n 20800278 ex N208GT, HS-BWA(2)

R25-Jul-05 to Coco Seaplane; ownership change to Mrs. Mali Sadd; current Dec-07; canx Jan-08; to VH-NRP

the above plane was registered to Coco sea planes from july 2005 and then suddenly was cahnged to Mali Sadd December 7th and then less then a month to the australians. now why do you think they took the trouble to make a change to malis name for only one month???

why does Jack sparrow insist that it was not in coco's name???

it does raise an eybrow

Jack oh Jackkk sparrow...... where are you???

Indeed a raising of the eyebrow! But Mali was one of the Directors of CocoSeaplanes from the beginning. So CocoSeaplanes =Mali. There was no sudden change. Whilst it was a private operation and until the AOC was issued she was always going to be the registered owner. This is a fact.

Please do not take the aircraft register as gospel. There are aircraft still on it which are embedded in the Fauna and Flora.

[LaoPo]

[Highdiver do you have some other issue? With Coco perhaps? You have constantly given out inaccurate information throughout the threads. Your last Para is typical and totally wrong. Raise an eyebrow indeed! The aircraft was registered from the word go in Mali Sadds name. That is until the new buyer came along. So what does this have to do with Aviation History?This is not meant to be either an insult or flaming but I think a lot of people would be interested in the extent of your Aviation experence. .

Gator my Dear.

while helping a friend do some paper work for his private jet I found the following in the Thai civil aircraft register .

HS-CCO Cessna 208 floatplane c/n 20800278 ex N208GT, HS-BWA(2)

R25-Jul-05 to Coco Seaplane; ownership change to Mrs. Mali Sadd; current Dec-07; canx Jan-08; to VH-NRP

the above plane was registered to Coco sea planes from july 2005 and then suddenly was cahnged to Mali Sadd December 7th and then less then a month to the australians. now why do you think they took the trouble to make a change to malis name for only one month???

why does Jack sparrow insist that it was not in coco's name???

it does raise an eybrow

Jack oh Jackkk sparrow...... where are you???

Here she is -VH-NRP- still nicely (but very costly) parked at Changi airport - Singapore:

Gatorade: the (Taxman's..? )question is why Mr. Mali (ie Coco) changed the papers of the aircraft to Mrs Mali and she sold it to the 'current' owners...(all 'official of course).

Well, we'll see...the story isn't finished yet

LaoPo

[mingalababya]

Pics above provided courtesy of mingalababya

Edited March 1, 2008 by mingalababya

[LaoPo]

Pics above provided courtesy of mingalababya

YES indeed: the photos above were made by "Mingalababya" !

I'm sorry I didn't mention your name; sorry for that.

LaoPo

[Gatorade]

[Highdiver do you have some other issue? With Coco perhaps? You have constantly given out inaccurate information throughout the threads. Your last Para is typical and totally wrong. Raise an eyebrow indeed! The aircraft was registered from the word go in Mali Sadds name. That is until the new buyer came along. So what does this have to do with Aviation History?This is not meant to be either an insult or flaming but I think a lot of people would be interested in the extent of your Aviation experence. .

Gator my Dear.

while helping a friend do some paper work for his private jet I found the following in the Thai civil aircraft register .

HS-CCO Cessna 208 floatplane c/n 20800278 ex N208GT, HS-BWA(2)

R25-Jul-05 to Coco Seaplane; ownership change to Mrs. Mali Sadd; current Dec-07; canx Jan-08; to VH-NRP

the above plane was registered to Coco sea planes from july 2005 and then suddenly was cahnged to Mali Sadd December 7th and then less then a month to the australians. now why do you think they took the trouble to make a change to malis name for only one month???

why does Jack sparrow insist that it was not in coco's name???

it does raise an eybrow

Jack oh Jackkk sparrow...... where are you???

Here she is -VH-NRP- still nicely (but very costly) parked at Changi airport - Singapore:

Gatorade: the (Taxman's..? )question is why Mr. Mali (ie Coco) changed the papers of the aircraft to Mrs Mali and she sold it to the 'current' owners...(all 'official of course).

Well, we'll see...the story isn't finished yet

LaoPo

[Gatorade]

[Highdiver do you have some other issue? With Coco perhaps? You have constantly given out inaccurate information throughout the threads. Your last Para is typical and totally wrong. Raise an eyebrow indeed! The aircraft was registered from the word go in Mali Sadds name. That is until the new buyer came along. So what does this have to do with Aviation History?This is not meant to be either an insult or flaming but I think a lot of people would be interested in the extent of your Aviation experence. :D .

Gator my Dear.

while helping a friend do some paper work for his private jet I found the following in the Thai civil aircraft register .

HS-CCO Cessna 208 floatplane c/n 20800278 ex N208GT, HS-BWA(2)

R25-Jul-05 to Coco Seaplane; ownership change to Mrs. Mali Sadd; current Dec-07; canx Jan-08; to VH-NRP

the above plane was registered to Coco sea planes from july 2005 and then suddenly was cahnged to Mali Sadd December 7th and then less then a month to the australians. now why do you think they took the trouble to make a change to malis name for only one month???

why does Jack sparrow insist that it was not in coco's name???

it does raise an eybrow

Jack oh Jackkk sparrow...... where are you???

Here she is -VH-NRP- still nicely (but very costly) parked at Changi airport - Singapore:

[b]Gatorade:[/b] the (Taxman's..? )question is why Mr. Mali (ie Coco) changed the papers of the aircraft to Mrs Mali and she sold it to the 'current' owners...(all 'official of course).

Well, we'll see...the story isn't finished yet

LaoPo

Maybe getting the paperwork straight?

The aircraft was operated by Coco Seaplanes on behalf of Mali Sadd. She was the major shareholder of the company and always the owner from the time it was brought from Bue Water.

The registration Docs always showed her name from the time of purchase. This was necessary as it was operated at that time as a private company aircraft.

Not sure if this will help yours and HighDivers deep and keen interest in digging out alleged dark and devious deeds.

[LaoPo]

Maybe getting the paperwork straight?

The aircraft was operated by Coco Seaplanes on behalf of Mali Sadd. She was the major shareholder of the company and always the owner from the time it was brought from Bue Water.

The registration Docs always showed her name from the time of purchase. This was necessary as it was operated at that time as a private company aircraft.

Not sure if this will help yours and HighDivers deep and keen interest in digging out alleged dark and devious deeds.

It was indeed my question. I leave it to Highdiver to answer as he found the paperwork.

SO: the plane was never transferred a while ago (paper wise) from Coco/Mr. Sadd to Mrs. Sadd and than sold to the present owner(s); is that what you're saying ?

I'm puzzled

LaoPo

[Gatorade]

Maybe getting the paperwork straight?

The aircraft was operated by Coco Seaplanes on behalf of Mali Sadd. She was the major shareholder of the company and always the owner from the time it was brought from Bue Water.

The registration Docs always showed her name from the time of purchase. This was necessary as it was operated at that time as a private company aircraft.

Not sure if this will help yours and HighDivers deep and keen interest in digging out alleged dark and devious deeds.

It was indeed my question. I leave it to Highdiver to answer as he found the paperwork.

SO: the plane was never transferred a while ago (paper wise) from Coco/Mr. Sadd to Mrs. Sadd and than sold to the present owner(s); is that what you're saying ?

I'm puzzled

LaoPo

Yep. I think my reply says exactly that.

I'm not sure of the point of your line of questioning. It does seem to point to an interest which is not relevant to the original post. Rather than continue boring probably 99% of the Forum why not PM me?

[jumnien]

Please do not let this thread degrade to private PM's. This is fascinating to many on TV and throughout SE Asia interested in aviation. The repercussions of this case will no doubt affect many of us as Thailand and other countries consider how to allow foreign aviators to fly within their boundaries.

[Gatorade]

Please do not let this thread degrade to private PM's. This is fascinating to many on TV and throughout SE Asia interested in aviation. The repercussions of this case will no doubt affect many of us as Thailand and other countries consider how to allow foreign aviators to fly within their boundaries.

Then wait for the qualified investigators to complete their findings. There is a lot of second guessing and ill informed opinion taking place. Questions are being raised on this forum which, if relevant will also be asked by the investigating authority. Some of the posters on this site have set themselves up as judge and jury and feel that they have the right to receive answers they pose,which are not relevant to the incident but are private company matters.

[jumnien]

Amidst some of the second guessing and opinions is great information and history that is interesting to many of us. This is the whole point of an internet forum. Otherwise, we'd all just read the newspaper pabble that is fed to us and wait for court documents to be posted. There's more to the world than that!

[LaoPo]

Maybe getting the paperwork straight?

The aircraft was operated by Coco Seaplanes on behalf of Mali Sadd. She was the major shareholder of the company and always the owner from the time it was brought from Bue Water.

The registration Docs always showed her name from the time of purchase. This was necessary as it was operated at that time as a private company aircraft.

Not sure if this will help yours and HighDivers deep and keen interest in digging out alleged dark and devious deeds.

It was indeed my question. I leave it to Highdiver to answer as he found the paperwork.

SO: the plane was never transferred a while ago (paper wise) from Coco/Mr. Sadd to Mrs. Sadd and than sold to the present owner(s); is that what you're saying ?

I'm puzzled

LaoPo

Yep. I think my reply says exactly that.

I'm not sure of the point of your line of questioning. It does seem to point to an interest which is not relevant to the original post. Rather than continue boring probably 99% of the Forum why not PM me?

Why would I PM you ? I have no secrets in this case, just interested what REALLY happened.

LaoPo