Cinders Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 WOW - I think everyone visiting Thailand should read this!... My best friend moved out to Thailand last year with about £30K, now he's living with his Thai Wife (ex bar girl) and he hasn't got a penny less. He bought a business, lost it, in fact he lost everything through her, poor bloke. I must admit the first time I went over to see him, i fell under the illusion - it's very easy...! Bar Girls are such perfect actors... I have just come back about 2 weeks ago from spending 2 weeks there and this time I went there the wiser from the mistakes my friend made and the mistakes I made from the first time. It's a crazy place, I still want to go and live there, not for the women, but just for an easy, relaxing life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buasaard Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 Well, I am not sure wether it is the gf's fault. Maybe your friend made a mistake in judging the business. If someone sells a business maybe it is not a good one. A lot of people think that it is easy to earn money in Thailand, and buy bars or restaurants in a secluded part of Phuket or Samui thinking that customers will flood. Just to make ends meet, a business mustbe in a popular spot such as central Patong, or central Chaweng, and I mean really central. The girl could have been in good faith, thinking it was a good business as your friend did, considering also that surely she is poorly educated. Considering also the tourism crisis, I do believe your friend lost everything, but not necessarily is the girl's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lopburi3 Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 It's a crazy place, I still want to go and live there, not for the women, but just for an easy, relaxing life. You still don't have a clue if you think life here is easy. Highly advise you to wait until you can afford to live off your savings if you want to live your v-a-c-a-t-i-o-n life here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayenram Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 I wouldn't back you to manage to live here without a woman. It's virtually guaranteed that you will meet at least one and fall in 'love'. :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davidcharles Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 Here Here!, PRIVATE DANCER IS A GREAT BOOK and should be read by everyone going to Thailand for the first time. BUT. Don't let it sour you up on Thai ladies...... Of course they are after MONEY. Most need it for their relatives who would starve, if they didn't prostitute themselves. No DSS in Thailand. No Govt handouts. You are on your own there. NO. The only way that they can earn a crust is to allow themselves to be pawd and screwed by a lot of Fat, Pissed, Smelly Farangs. They deserve every Bht they get in my opinion......I advise you not to look down on them. Treat them with respect. Incidentally, do YOU support your relatives?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxexile Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 . Most need it for their relatives who would starve, if they didn't prostitute themselves. most need the money to pay gambling debts,buy alcohol,pay the bills on 3 or 4 mobile phones,to buy that 25th pair of shoes and to allow them to lead lazy and unproductive lives. very little money finds its way back to the villages as it did 15 or 20 years ago. they are clever crafty characters,surviving on their guile and your naivety.good luck to them. you keep paying them david charles,because many of them spend lots of money in my in-laws shop,and the profits from that shop are taking us all up to chiang mai over new year.i'll raise my glass to you as we all tuck into a seafood feast on new years eve. blinkered souls like yourself are being totally fooled if you think you are helping them. by supporting them you are trapping them in a life of dependance,laziness and avarice. buy sex if you want to,i dont see anything wrong with that, but dont claim to be helping them. you are only helping yourself. justifying it as help may ease your feelings about using prostitutes,but it certainly is not helping them. if you want to help poor thai people, look around at all the social injustices that are on display around the country, and make a donation to an aids hospice,a burmese refugee centre,a disabled peoples foundation,an orphanage,a mental hospital,an upcountry school that needs a few more books and computers,or that limbless guy on the bridge who really does look like he could do with some help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markt Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 Spot on Tax. Starve? That's a joke. Have you ever been up country to a village before? Nowadays you will see just as many mobile phones as chickens running round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxexile Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 its the "helping these poor creatures" thats gets me. its like "i really didnt want to go to bed with that gorgeous,pouty,lithe sexy little 18 year old,honest,i didnt want to take her back to my hotel,and remove her skimpy little blouse, i tried not to look at her in the shower,but her father,he is so hungry,i did it for him. the next night i felt sorry for her mum, so i did it again." why cant they just be honest and say, i needed a <deleted> so i went out and got one.and tomorrow i'll go out and get another one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chonabot Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 Have you ever been up country to a village before?Nowadays you will see just as many mobile phones as chickens running round. Indeed , a sign of a prosperous village is one with chickens who use mobile phones. The Leather Book is very good , as are all of his books. But , as he admits , it is writtien in a stereotypical style. Chris Moore's books , I believe , have more reality embedded in the script. Christ , I even sounded a bit clever then ! hic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_sabaidee Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 i agree CHONABOT....100% :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_Pat_Pong Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 Hey Tax....you have a really wicked sense of humor. I love it. When are you gonna write a book ? :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heng Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 Has this book made any money yet? It seems like it's been around for awhile... perhaps time for an update so it finally gets published? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the scouser Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 most need the money to pay gambling debts,buy alcohol,pay the bills on 3 or 4 mobile phones,to buy that 25th pair of shoes and to allow them to lead lazy and unproductive lives Bloody heck, there are Scousers in Thailand, too? Scouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWSEM Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 Can't comment on the majority as i have not met them all, but can comment on two ladies I met in Bangkok while I was there who made 12,000 baht in a week, she told me she sent 10,000 home to her parents, I to was not convinced untill I met their parents while working up in Nth Thailand. And indeed what they said was true Now again I can not talk about every bar girl, but please don't make stupid comments when you can not say this about every thai girl, I've met two and I'm sure there are more. Hey girls con guys all aound the world, watch half the movies we make its always a winner in the movies, but I would like to believe there are still a lot of Thai girls who follow what I find is a great idea support your own. Hey Imagine Bush getting up and saying lets get America straight first. Every one has the rights to there opinion but please don't try and force your ideas onto me, and I like to think there is still some beauty in Thailand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chonabot Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 And this post is directed at who exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxexile Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 chickens who cant pay their phone bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxexile Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 but I would like to believe there are still a lot of Thai girls who follow what I find is a great idea support your own. so AWSEM if you fell on hard times later in your life, you would have no problem asking your sweet,pretty 19 year old daughter to go and screw,fellate and pander to foriegners for money,with all the associated risks to her health and sanity,so that you would be comfortable. responsible parenting or pimping? yes, there is something noble about the asian way of the eldest child being responsible for the parents,but when lazy and stupid parents take advantage of their brainwashed kids to send them off to be prostitutes,or when girls,who after seeing others from the village who have gone off and come back with gold and money,go off themselves,when it becomes normal accepted behaviour,then i see it as damaging to the culture.it is just not right. and when i hear falangs who support girls in that lifestyle, and claim to be helping them,well, i have to have my rant.these kids are treated as commodities by their parents and then as commodities by their customers. great life indeed. they are trapping them in dependance. go and help the real needy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldog Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 Tax why when someone mentions bargirls are you so ready to jump out of your pram? You have serious issues when it comes to bargirls, why? Little lady was/is one? Your posts border on personal insults and mocking, now there must be a reason for you to be so scathing, unless of course you just want to ram your opinions down the throat of everybody else, but i am sure that as a reasonable human being, you would not want to do that, would you. So tell me, why do throw scorn at people when bargirls are mentioned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxexile Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 no probs with bar girls,they do what they do,and they always will.spent many happy hours with them.never looked down on them. no probs with guys going with them.marrying them,etc. but in my experience its not a good basis for a relationship. just cant see the logic behind the feeling sorry for them and the "help" given. as i've said, i feel it traps them,not helps them. but in anybodys book,prostitution is not an ideal way of life,very few are unscathed psychologically by the experience. sure, its convenient for the guys,we come and we go. but for most of the girls,they are always here.and after they are 30 or 35, they are finished. how come you havent married your girl,instead of just visiting her every now and again. maybe you have a girl back home as well. the girls are used terribly.cant you see it? . and yes i am opinionated.and i like to shout my opinions.and sometimes i probably sound sarcastic and insulting.but its provocative and gets replies and surely thats what these forums are all about. the "nice",love and peace,topics where everybody agrees with each other, are dull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldog Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 I see where you are coming from, and you are right about them getting used in some cases, it's a sad world we live in. Tax i will say that you are an ok bloke, and you do wind people up, keep it up, as you say it would be dull otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaVisionBurma Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 Bulldog, It's the Taxexile's, Chonabots, Tutsiwarriors and other assorted characters out in the forum who give it so much appeal. (sorry if I left anyone out, this is just examples of the stronger characters on the board). When folks post what they think (without being f*&ing idiots like some of the 1st-post Trollers), and are not afraid to enter into a decent debate of variously opposing ideals - it makes for good reading. I personally am more amazed by the speed at which some of the posters react to some of the more controversial postings (ie a post which doesnt quite match their viewpoint). Some people don't take irony or purposeful 'stirring' very well, say to comments posted by the members mentioned above. The subsequent reactions are lightening fast, and far too full of emotion - ie they post before they think! Again - it makes for great reading. So happy posting to all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxexile Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 hey bulldog under that hard bulldog exterior,you're just a poodle,like the rest of us. rock on. :laugh: :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMan Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 To my learned friend At no time did I say i approve of postitution, but only stated that you generalise about the total which is not a truth. I have met some very nice ladies of the night who feel in their hearts that they are doing this for their family, be this right or wrong is not the question at hand. Blame the parents guess so Blame the government Guess so Blame all us Farang who use and abuse them guess so But it takes a lot of different birds to make a sweet song, and although I know a high percentage of girls tht are only after money for them selves, don't throw out all the apples because some are bad. I have on advantage over you, I can employ local talent to do honest work, so I see the good side as well, and I see where the monies goes. Life in Bangkok with out bar girls would be boring and dull and give you guys nothing to chat about, gee you'd all become a stack of hens at a sewing party. But it makes me mad when you condem all because of some others, may be I walk around with a false smile on my face. But I love Thailand and i love the people, one day i will be finished and have to go home which will be sad, but I hope i made a difference somewhere with someone. I would rather this than go through life thinking I wasted all my time and every one is a no hoper but me and my friends. Just my opinon, and I sleep well at night, with or with out a bar girl I met an Arab shiek once and asked him why he had so many wives He told me that his god had given him wealth so that women could eat. Think about it ................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davidcharles Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 I reckon that most of you guys who are SO vitriolic about 'Ladies of the Night', are simply frustrated, 'COS YOU ARE POOR and CAN'T AFFORD THEM........Aaah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chonabot Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 Clearly , one of the great thinkers of our times. :: :: :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davidcharles Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 Well, THAT seems to have shut them up!!!! "There is NOTHING either GOOD or BAD, but THINKING MAKES IT SO..." (Hamlet) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonthaya Posted April 10, 2004 Share Posted April 10, 2004 Tax, you don't know what you are talking about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxexile Posted April 11, 2004 Share Posted April 11, 2004 Tax, you don't know what you are talking about and why is that then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbkudu Posted April 11, 2004 Share Posted April 11, 2004 How could anyone have pity on them. 99% of them love what they do. No one is forcing them to do this. If there is pity to be had then it should be directed toward the poor lasses who are sold by parents and then locked up in little rooms only to be pronged day in and day out, night after night until they contract AIDS and then they are cast out onto the street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxexile Posted April 11, 2004 Share Posted April 11, 2004 Tax, you don't know what you are talking about come on sonthaya..... i'm waiting for your reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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