Popcorn Hour

[sniffdog]

Completely wrong..

I agree. I have a friend who downloads them (1080) regularly and takes between 1-3 hours.

Where's that? Probably in NeverNeverLand but certainly not in Thailand.

[sniffdog]

Your television has an aspect ratio of 1.78:1 (assuming it is a widescreen) The Devil Wears Prada was release on BluRay with an aspect ratio of 2.35:1 so there would be "black bars" on the top and bottom of your screen. That is were the Missing lines of resolution are.

Downloading from the internet does not require your full attention, you start it then do something else.

Sorry, I do not .... most files list 1080p as the source, the output is not 1080p. And as you see most rips are around 10Gb (some a little smaller but still 7-8Gb)

The.Devil.Wears.Prada.2006.1080p.BluRay.x264-SECTOR7

07.22.2008

Source: 1080P BluRay h.264

Video: 1920x816 @ 11000 kbps

Audio: DTS @ 1509 kbps

IMDB: 6.8/10 (41,771 votes)

IMDB LINk: http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0458352/

This particular rip is 8.5 Gib but doesn't list the result as 1920x1080 ...

Most of the rips I download are hidef x264 and vary from 1/4DVD to 2/3DVD ... Who wants to spend a whole day downloading one single movie?

Again, I said that until now I haven't seen a 1080p (1920 x 1080) which has a reasonable size ....

I understand .... but it still doesn't let stand corrected ..... the rips you refer to are still many many GBs .... and if I spend a whole day downloading, my web surfing slows down and I can't download something else ...

Again, 1080p rips which can be downloaded in a couple of hours .....

[A_Traveller]

^ Have to agree, an HiDef in 2-3 hours, OMG, I presume your friend is the head if CAT at least based on the likely real {Thailand} world ADSL capacitance to download an hour long TV programme in Bangkok. The curse of True strikes again.

Regards

Edited July 27, 2008 by A_Traveller

[sniffdog]

But let me make clear that I love the X264 rips from warezbb (and many other sites) ... .even if they are not taking advantage of my Full HD tv.

[Tywais]

Where's that? Probably in NeverNeverLand but certainly not in Thailand.

I'm not one to exaggerate things. It is a private tracker (member invite only) within Thailand on a university fat pipe backbone (1Gbps). Download rates average 5-10MBps (that's Bytes).

An example was a National Geographics documentary that was 30GB HiDef was done in less then 5 hours. But most are 1080 rips usually around 10+GB which is what I was referring to.

[A_Traveller]

^ which with respect was my point. For conventional users such speeds or capacitance are unobtainable.

Regards

Edited July 28, 2008 by A_Traveller

[Tywais]

^ which with respect was my point. For conventional users such speeds or capacitance are unobtainable.

You are right. It was my error in not indicating how we are able to get that type of performance. But it does give one an idea what is possible here.

[LivinLOS]

Sorry, I do not .... most files list 1080p as the source, the output is not 1080p. And as you see most rips are around 10Gb (some a little smaller but still 7-8Gb)

The.Devil.Wears.Prada.2006.1080p.BluRay.x264-SECTOR7

07.22.2008

Source: 1080P BluRay h.264

Video: 1920x816 @ 11000 kbps

Audio: DTS @ 1509 kbps

ha ha ha..

Are you aware of the aspect ratio 2.35:1 ?? So now have a think at what a 16:9 1920x1080 AR would be if your letterboxing to 2.35 OAR..

As to showing 10 rips.. I have 30 or so 1080 ones myself.. If I went to the HiDef sharing forums there would be 100's.. almost every BluRay and HD DVD release so far is out there on the torrents. Not 1 or 2 not 10 or 20 but 100's..

Your really a generation behind the times dealing with xvid and SD-DVD rips.

http://www.arenabg.com/torrents.php?active...DESC&page=0

I dont know if you can see the results of this search without signing up.. But when I searched only Hidef / x264 feature films it was well into the 1000.. When I list only 1080 rips theres 141 1080p BluRay rips on one site alone !! Of course some of these torrents are multi HiDef films in one pack (The Matrix Trilogy, Fast and furious multiples, etc etc) so theres more than just 141 movies there.

So is that more than 10 for you ??

Edited July 28, 2008 by LivinLOS

[LivinLOS]

Completely wrong..

I agree. I have a friend who downloads them (1080) regularly and takes between 1-3 hours.

Where's that? Probably in NeverNeverLand but certainly not in Thailand.

So it takes me overnight.. Boo hoo..

I get solid 220 - 250kbps speeds on a well seeded torrent on my el cheapo 1090 baht line.. Even if a movie took me 2 nights, spare cycles dont hurt me.

[meadish_sweetball]

Media players and full HD TVs become more popular and widespread, and even mid spec new PCs are capable of playing hidef content. HDTV is already being broadcast in many developed countries, so people are starting to demand HD content.

LivinLOS is right, there are plenty of HD rips around and they appear to be on the increase.

[sniffdog]

Are you guys daft or what?

Let me put my original statement here (i'll will make it bold so it reads easier for the ones without glasses):

There are almost no hd rips with 1080i or 1080p .... maybe full BlueRay rips, but whose going to wait to download up to 10Gb for a single movie?

Wasn't it clear I didn't refer to 10 gig rips (or 5 upto 10 gig) but rather to micro hidef x264 rips (1/4DVD to 2/3DVD) which have a splendid quality but take only 2-6 hours to download?

After all this babble I still haven't seen a link to a such a 1080p (except the one I gave) ....

Edited July 29, 2008 by sniffdog

[sniffdog]

Completely wrong..

I agree. I have a friend who downloads them (1080) regularly and takes between 1-3 hours.

Where's that? Probably in NeverNeverLand but certainly not in Thailand.

So it takes me overnight.. Boo hoo..

I get solid 220 - 250kbps speeds on a well seeded torrent on my el cheapo 1090 baht line.. Even if a movie took me 2 nights, spare cycles dont hurt me.

Your overnight must be very long .... 224kB/s average (downloads a 700MB in one hour ... hence a 10Gig rips takes over 14 hours! ...

[LivinLOS]

Erm.. "Even if a movie took me 2 nights, spare cycles dont hurt me".

So what happened to "Show me ten of them and I'll stand corrected." ?? Hows that Crow tasting ??

[sniffdog]

I don't know what it is but you seem not to understand ..... 10 links to 1080p, NOT being 10 GIG (5-10 Gigs)rips I have not seen one of them .....

The question is ..... is the difference in quality worth it to wait 14 hours for a hidef instead of one hour for its Xvid version? With micro hidef it is definitely (only 1-3 hours), but I didn't see a lot of 1080p of those ....

Even after days of posts, nobody pointed me to these kind of micro hidef content ... just babble after babble about these large hidef rips .... I knew that they were available in abundance ....

Perhaps I should revise my original statement to:

There are almost no hd rips with 1080i or 1080p .... ANY OTHER THAN full BlueRay rips (of 10 gigs) ....

Edited July 30, 2008 by sniffdog

[LivinLOS]

No you didnt.. you said

First, read again .. ALMOST no 1080 rips (ie far in the minority) Show me ten of them and I'll stand corrected.

I am interested .... I use the list on warezbb ... there are 466movies listed. Hidef rips .... I've checked around 30 of them of of them 720p with some of them 1080p (mind you the source is 1080p, the rip isn't)

You didnt say 1080 rips under a file size.. You said there were no 1080 rips.. There are bloody 100's of them !!! Then you tried to backtrack and muddy the water by saying these were 1080 source but not 1080 encoding and output. Now your claiming it was meaning 1080p at tiny filesizes, well that wasnt what you said.

And why micro ?? I want quality rips.. full 1080 rips or 1920x816 for 2.35 aspect ratio content.. Those take around 10GB using current x264 compression.. And hel_l yes the quality is worth it.. As I say I can get a 720p overnight and a 1080p in a couple of nights.. Yes it takes a little bit longer and consumes a bit more drive space, but it happens while I sleep and big drives are cheap. Sure I still download DVD rips tho these days I dont bother with ones where they shrink them down to CD sized chunks, those are not worth watching personally.

I know a private Hidef sharing forum where many of the files are posted as full transport stream rips, 30+ gigs for a .ts rip at 720p !! I think some long 1080p files are even in the 50gb range !! Now I must admit I dont tend to see the need for those, I cant see much difference between the uncompressed .ts files and the x264 encoded rips, so the 3:1 to 5:1 filesize saving for those makes some sense to take the smaller files. But some guys do, they are out there in very limited locations and groups.

[sniffdog]

I did ... read post #23 again (first page) .... the sentence you wrongly quoted about the ten links was a continuation of that statement and referred to the initial statement. Before you accuse me of 'muddying' the water get your facts right. Furthermore, you might read post #26 again where I gave a profile of a m-HD myself (If you check real careful you see what I was talking about by looking at the file size).

Did you ever watch a m-HD? After watching a m-HD at home, I saw the same movie in Boomerang (Central Worldl) on a Blue Ray player. I didn't see a difference ... I have m-hd rips of Planet Earth ... amazing quality.

Furthermore, you said you own a Philips non-Full HD (1368x720) TV and a projector. Do you really get most out of these 1080p movies which take two nights to download?

For me, m-Hidef are the ultimate solution ... I can download 5 or 6 of them in a night. Having too much time on my hands, I watch at least two movies a day.

After 45 posts I have yet to see 1 link to m-HD 1080p ..... I give up .... Thank you for your (useless) input ....

Edited July 31, 2008 by sniffdog

[LivinLOS]

All your doing is again muddying the waters.. x264 files encoded at 832x416 are not high def, its a oddball barely used format. The m-HD / micro HD format is by its very definition recompressed and will not be Full HD.. Usually its not even High Def as per SMTPE or ATSC specs.

Lets get back to where this started.. You were the one aggressively jumping on other posters about popcorns ability to play MKV files as they were the preferred choice for high definition file swappers.

along with support for MKV and ISO files. MKV and ISO are favored formats for file-swappers trading high-def movie rips, and the BitTorrent client makes it easy to download movies directly to the box, rather than through your PC.'

You also nicely include

Now start apologizing and bring me that smile back on my face ....

So its clear this all started over the discussion of High Definition content.. MKV high def was what we are talking about.. High definition, by the very fact of more data takes up more space.. 720p (1280x720) MKV content can be in the 4 or 5 GB range.. 1080 content (which comes from far more places than just BlueRay so you know.. Lots ripped direct from OTA or Satellite broadcast, or WMVHD DVD's (I have perhaps 10 or 15 of those), or HD-DVD rips, or even access to studio equipment like D5 masters, etc etc) will consume anything like 8 - 12 GB for a feature film in x264 / MKV compression. No of course you cant magically pack a 1080 high def MKV file into the same size as a low or standard definition MKV file, I would have thought that was obvious. Your demands for a Full HD rip to be compressed into micro HD output and filesize make no sense. If you understood what you are talking about then you would realize that you simply wont get a 1080p output using the same x264 compression, with filesizes equivalent to a lower resolution file using the same compression, surely your able to understand that basic fact ?? Micro-HD is NOT full HD, very often its not HD at all, it was just sourced from a HD source and downrezzed to a low res format. That doesnt mean its not useful, that some people might want it, but dont go shouting that you cant get full HD into micro HD filesize as thats plain dumb.

Plus if you cant see the difference between BlueRay 1920x1080p content and a 832x416 re-encoded content video file. Then I suggest that shows exactly how much your input is worth. The differences are there plain to see.

Theres loads of real HD content out there.. Something you seemed to dispute, me I dont worry about the filesize too much, I grab what I can in 720 and 1080 HD formats, I grab x264 SD stuff sometimes but I dont try to pretend that 832x416 is HD content and I certainly dont expect to get Full HD files at low def filesizes.

[nikster]

Completely wrong..

I agree. I have a friend who downloads them (1080) regularly and takes between 1-3 hours.

Really?

I guess it really depends on the bit rate, much more than on the display resolution. I often see 1.3GB torrents with 1080p and I wonder what kind of compression ratio they need to get a 1080p movie down to 1.3GB. Blue Ray is a compressed format, and uses about 40 - 50GB for a 1080p movie. A factor of 40 on top of existing compression is no mean feat.

I have downloaded a few very small 720p DivX rips and I was pretty impressed with the quality - I'd say it was close to a quality SD DVD. Which is already pretty good given that the DVD uses 9GB. But it's not close to real 720p which is much better than SD DVD.

Anyway if you download a movie in Bluray (Blueray?) HD quality it will take up 40 - 50GB. I know these are out there of course. If you can download that in 3 hours that would be 16 GB/ hour or around 5MB/s == 50 Mbps. Not bad!

LivinLOS just saw your last post - exactly. Compression is pretty good these days but there is no magic behind it, and you will have to make compromises in the quality if you decide to compress HD content down to too small a size. As many ppl posting torrents seem to do..

Li

Edited August 1, 2008 by nikster

[LivinLOS]

Completely wrong..

I agree. I have a friend who downloads them (1080) regularly and takes between 1-3 hours.

Really?

I guess it really depends on the bit rate, much more than on the display resolution. I often see 1.3GB torrents with 1080p and I wonder what kind of compression ratio they need to get a 1080p movie down to 1.3GB. Blue Ray is a compressed format, and uses about 40 - 50GB for a 1080p movie. A factor of 40 on top of existing compression is no mean feat.

A feature film at 1.3 GB will not be HD, at least not in any kind of watchable quality compression..

As I am saying in other posts.. 1280x720 feature films can be a quite reasonable 4 -5 GB and still be well above SD-DVD quality (720x480 anamorphic for 852x480 display on NTSC discs).. These micro HD encodes are about the same as low def DVD usually. 1080p x264 looks great and ripped from BlueRay or other HD source and kept at high res these really blow away low def stuff at 10GB or so.

Sniffdog is essentially saying he wants to get a 1 liter drink in a handy 250ml bottle.. Why cant anyone show me those ?? Of course a full HD rip using the same compression takes up more room than a low def encode. Stands to reason.

[Tywais]

If you can download that in 3 hours that would be 16 GB/ hour or around 5MB/s == 50 Mbps. Not bad!

If you look at my previous post, the university connection and local private trackers I do get around 5MB/s. Of course for the mainstream public those numbers are not too likely.