PAD Lay Siege On Government House, NBT TV Station

[bkkjai]

...Geez, sometimes it's bloody embarrassing to be farang and mixed up with such a group of freakin' ill-informed know-it-all tossers.

You joined a year and a half ago and this is your only post? Can't wait for the next one.

Edit: Woo-hoo! 3 posts now. Hang on while I go back and read them.

Because unlike many of you, I don't believe in spouting off about things I know nothing about. Lived here for 15 years, speak fluent Thai, married to a Thai, have Thai kids, 95% of my friends are Thai - educated, uneducated - all kinds - Oh, and I have Thai citizenship. And don't usually mix with farangs because I'm not a fan of many of the ones in Thailand.

So yes, I think I'm a bit more qualified than a lot of you on here - the typical farang man with a Thai girlfriend/wife but who speaks virtually no Thai, knows little or nothing about Thai culture, and spends most of his life bitching about Thailand and Thais. Spend a lot of time on here whinging with most of you lot? No thanks - I HAVE a life.

[onethailand]

I'm amazed at the sheer ignorance of so many people on here. Do any of you speak Thai? Do you understand Thai politics? Have you bothered to inform yourself about what's really going on in the Thai government or are you just spouting off bullsh*t as usual?

I work for an international company in Bangkok where most of the employees graduated from Chula and Thammasat - from middle class and wealthy families with everything going for them. A good QUARTER of my office have family members involved in the PAD demonstrations today and no, they're not getting paid to be there - they don't need the money. Surprisingly, they actually care about their country and know that Samak is just another Thaksin-like corrupt politician who will continue to shove Thailand down the path to ruin.

Next time before you rant on about things you know nothing about, maybe learn a little bit about what's going on. Attend a PAD demonstration (I've attended several), talk to Thais who are involved in this (from poor to middle class to wealthy -everyone is represented) and, if you're going to stay here long-term, maybe get off your ass and learn a bit of Thai. Then you might understand what's happening here.

Geez, sometimes it's bloody embarrassing to be farang and mixed up with such a group of freakin' ill-informed know-it-all tossers.

Has it occurred to you that some of the members here:

1. Are Thai

2. Are educated

3. Are farangs who speak Thai

4. Have lived here a long time and understand the political situation way better than you do

You are responding to posts which indicate that a number of PAD supporters - and probably the majority - are paid to be there. NOT ALL OF THEM.

If you have indeed attended a PAD demonstration as you claim, you WILL have noticed that the majority of the protesters around you are NOT from Bangkok - hello, wake up call?

So, Ms Fervent Me Too I'm a PADdie... don't get your knickers in a knot too quickly. There aren't many Samak or Thaksin supporters here and most of us would be happy to see a change - but we also understand reality.

[onnut]

starve em out?

oops, have you ever had a run in with a Hungry Thai?

[gymshark]

You watching the PAD scumbags on the news beating up reporters? Disgraceful.

[LaoPo]

L'histoire se répète - History repeats itself

In the following century, XXX country would be governed variously as a republic, dictatorship, constitutional monarchy, and two different empires.

*

219 years ago

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution

Ah well, maybe we just have to wait another 219 years before democracy has landed in the Land Of Smiles

LaoPo

[h90]

I'm amazed at the sheer ignorance of so many people on here. Do any of you speak Thai? Do you understand Thai politics? Have you bothered to inform yourself about what's really going on in the Thai government or are you just spouting off bullsh*t as usual?

I work for an international company in Bangkok where most of the employees graduated from Chula and Thammasat - from middle class and wealthy families with everything going for them. A good QUARTER of my office have family members involved in the PAD demonstrations today and no, they're not getting paid to be there - they don't need the money. Surprisingly, they actually care about their country and know that Samak is just another Thaksin-like corrupt politician who will continue to shove Thailand down the path to ruin.

Next time before you rant on about things you know nothing about, maybe learn a little bit about what's going on. Attend a PAD demonstration (I've attended several), talk to Thais who are involved in this (from poor to middle class to wealthy -everyone is represented) and, if you're going to stay here long-term, maybe get off your ass and learn a bit of Thai. Then you might understand what's happening here.

Geez, sometimes it's bloody embarrassing to be farang and mixed up with such a group of freakin' ill-informed know-it-all tossers.

bkkjai.....you mess up things.....don't get upset!

The people here posting:

some hardcore Thai-Thaksin (not farangs) friends...some might paid.

some husbands in the middle of nowhere Isaan not reading any newspaper, just getting the propaganda from PPP

some straight paid people.

95 % of the farangs here have either no opinion or are 100% against Thaksin.

Today my Thai staff asked me for the important things to do, they made it quick and from 10 AM to 2 PM everyone ran to PAD.

But I know another company the staff simply didn't care.

Do not think the farangs in general are miss-informed, just a few. The 10 % post much all the time drunk wake up and paid posters from wherever.

90 % of the farangs are Thaksin hater.

[jackyseymour]

Attend a PAD demonstration (I've attended several)

You don't say. What a hero. Well done.

Like I said, ill-informed know-it-all tossers. Oh and that would be "heroine". Get your English correct if you must give another smart alec, sarcastic response.

I feel for you. I've tried to access the BKK Post's forum - but it's been disabled. So we are stuck with as you rightly point out, these tossers. Wonder why they don't consider the thaivisa forum a threat? Oh, right, I get it.

Edited August 26, 2008 by jackyseymour

[thaigene2]

PAD isn't exactly a part of the Thai Establishment,

What have you been smoking? You can't possibly think this is some kind of spontaneous romantic movement by the weak and oppressed majority against tyranny?

I suppose you're now going to tell me that the old-family bureaucratic types, curiously rich army figures, Prem, aristocracts, and many, many of the other mysteriously yet fantastically wealthy closed-shop families in Thailand are not supporters of PAD? Thaksin and democracy was raining on their vain little parade. It was the first time in their life that someone wasn't holding an umbrella for them - and they're going to make sure populism and democracy never rain on them again.

The new country will be called Thayanmar. Sondhi will be Prime Minister and Baldy, his side-kick, will become Interior Minister. Then all their rich little kids will go shopping at Paragon until the stores all close a year or so later and the US and EU sanctions begin to bite.

The estasblishment and the PAD are not exactly the same thing. the PAD which includes a few members of the establishment (not many) have their own agenda and are sometimes used by the bureaucratic establishment who have a seprate agenda. This is complicated by the fact that the TRT and the PPP even more so are stuffed full of establishment figures. This is not about poor oppressed people. It is a plain old fashioned power struggle between members of the establishment. The establishment figures in the bureaucracy and establishment figures in the PPP will in the end probably find a way to work out a deal and get back to business as usual. It is quite likley that there will be a very few establishment casualties in this including Thaksin and extended family and the PAD and of course the UDD which also includes a few establishment figures.

Oh - yes..I agree more or less with that. This is definitely (and always has been) a struggle between the rich and powerful. I'm just trying to make the point that there's much more to PAD than some sense of moral outrage over a crooked politician. There are most certainly behind the scenes 'hands' as the PPP like to call them working to dismantle once and for all 'populist' politics because that would mean those pulling the strings behind the PAD would lose control of their little feudal patronage society. That's all.

And that is the bottom line- when history judges this event, I'm confident that it will be regarded as the inevitable effort in a developing nation of the aristorcracy attempting to hang on to power in the face of a modernizing political system. Those supporting the PAD who actually are naive enough to believe that their movement is about ridding the country of corruption (though you don't see them demanding an audit of the various and notoriously corrupt beaurocracies) are, I think, being, duped. Sondhi knows what he is doing. He is a mad meglomaniac fueled by little more than an all consuming hatred for Thaksin. So in a sense even he is a pawn. The middle class- those 'People of Chinese Descent Saving the Nation' have alligned themselves with this movement because a government that truly represents the poor majority of this country will probably initiate populist/popular/socialist/welfare state programs that have to be funded by the only class that really pays taxes.

The notion that this is really about corruption- I think, while appealing to foreigners, is a bit hard to swallow given that most Thais have been more than willing to turn a blind eye to corruption even when it was hurting their own pocket books.

Well said Blaze. I think so too. History will be the judge. The rest of the world is watching this too. The US has already warned Thailand and its aristocracy that it is very aware of the hidden reasons and actions here. It said this time there would be a much stronger reaction than last time. I believe the Western countries and Western media are already well onto the trail of what's going on - witness their attemots to cower the BBC's Jonathan Head a few months back for his pointed reporting. This time it will be very different - laid bare for all to see as fewer and fewer are afraid of falling afoul of Thailand's 'don't say, don't say' rule.

You're right it's a last gasp.

[geovalin]

The PAD scum are showing themselves to be the right-wing ultra-nationalist goons that they have always been. Nothing new here!

I find your remarks highly offensive. My wife and her sister are active supporters of the PAD.

Too bad!

Anyway no need to be ashamed, when someone is right-wing ultra-nationalist he's right-wing ultra-nationalist. He's allowed to be right-wing ultra-nationalist.

Now, if you are not right-wing ultra-nationalist, let's think twice. PAD = war and you know that as well as us.

[mrtoad]

Attend a PAD demonstration (I've attended several)

You don't say. What a hero. Well done.

Like I said, ill-informed know-it-all tossers. Oh and that would be "heroine". Get your English correct if you must give another smart alec, sarcastic response.

I feel for you. I've tried to access the BKK Post's forum - but it's been disabled. So we are stuck with as you rightly point out, these tossers. Wonder why they don't consider the thaivisa forum a threat? Oh, right, I get it.

If you don't like the content of the forum you don't have to view it. In the end there is a pretty diverse mixture of people on here posting, some view you may agree with and some you most certainly wont. I'll agree that there are some people on here who are just trying to stir it up, there is an ignore function available.

As for the Bangkok Post forum, it probably got taken off becasue they had problems moderating it, think it's been down for a while now.

Edited August 26, 2008 by mrtoad

[taxexile]

Ah well, maybe we just have to wait another 219 years before democracy has landed in the Land Of Smiles

...... and until then , LET THEM EAT CAKE !

[thaigene2]

Attend a PAD demonstration (I've attended several)

You don't say. What a hero. Well done.

Like I said, ill-informed know-it-all tossers. Oh and that would be "heroine". Get your English correct if you must give another smart alec, sarcastic response.

I feel for you. I've tried to access the BKK Post's forum - but it's been disabled. So we are stuck with as you rightly point out, these tossers. Wonder why they don't consider the thaivisa forum a threat? Oh, right, I get it.

Also noticed the Post and Nation's SMS system has been silent. Rather odd given the circumstances. Not even Samak's remarks frm the news conference.

[fft100]

PAD isn't exactly a part of the Thai Establishment,

What have you been smoking? You can't possibly think this is some kind of spontaneous romantic movement by the weak and oppressed majority against tyranny?

I suppose you're now going to tell me that the old-family bureaucratic types, curiously rich army figures, Prem, aristocracts, and many, many of the other mysteriously yet fantastically wealthy closed-shop families in Thailand are not supporters of PAD? Thaksin and democracy was raining on their vain little parade. It was the first time in their life that someone wasn't holding an umbrella for them - and they're going to make sure populism and democracy never rain on them again.

The new country will be called Thayanmar. Sondhi will be Prime Minister and Baldy, his side-kick, will become Interior Minister. Then all their rich little kids will go shopping at Paragon until the stores all close a year or so later and the US and EU sanctions begin to bite.

The estasblishment and the PAD are not exactly the same thing. the PAD which includes a few members of the establishment (not many) have their own agenda and are sometimes used by the bureaucratic establishment who have a seprate agenda. This is complicated by the fact that the TRT and the PPP even more so are stuffed full of establishment figures. This is not about poor oppressed people. It is a plain old fashioned power struggle between members of the establishment. The establishment figures in the bureaucracy and establishment figures in the PPP will in the end probably find a way to work out a deal and get back to business as usual. It is quite likley that there will be a very few establishment casualties in this including Thaksin and extended family and the PAD and of course the UDD which also includes a few establishment figures.

Oh - yes..I agree more or less with that. This is definitely (and always has been) a struggle between the rich and powerful. I'm just trying to make the point that there's much more to PAD than some sense of moral outrage over a crooked politician. There are most certainly behind the scenes 'hands' as the PPP like to call them working to dismantle once and for all 'populist' politics because that would mean those pulling the strings behind the PAD would lose control of their little feudal patronage society. That's all.

And that is the bottom line- when history judges this event, I'm confident that it will be regarded as the inevitable effort in a developing nation of the aristorcracy attempting to hang on to power in the face of a modernizing political system. Those supporting the PAD who actually are naive enough to believe that their movement is about ridding the country of corruption (though you don't see them demanding an audit of the various and notoriously corrupt beaurocracies) are, I think, being, duped. Sondhi knows what he is doing. He is a mad meglomaniac fueled by little more than an all consuming hatred for Thaksin. So in a sense even he is a pawn. The middle class- those 'People of Chinese Descent Saving the Nation' have alligned themselves with this movement because a government that truly represents the poor majority of this country will probably initiate populist/popular/socialist/welfare state programs that have to be funded by the only class that really pays taxes.

The notion that this is really about corruption- I think, while appealing to foreigners, is a bit hard to swallow given that most Thais have been more than willing to turn a blind eye to corruption even when it was hurting their own pocket books.

Well said Blaze. I think so too. History will be the judge. The rest of the world is watching this too. The US has already warned Thailand and its aristocracy that it is very aware of the hidden reasons and actions here. It said this time there would be a much stronger reaction than last time. I believe the Western countries and Western media are already well onto the trail of what's going on - witness their attemots to cower the BBC's Jonathan Head a few months back for his pointed reporting. This time it will be very different - laid bare for all to see as fewer and fewer are afraid of falling afoul of Thailand's 'don't say, don't say' rule.

You're right it's a last gasp.

Quite right. They are not interested in Democracy. As the BBC report http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7581565.stm

This is a mass protest movement with a difference, according to the BBC correspondent in Bangkok, Jonathan Head.

Despite the name, the People's Alliance for Democracy is actually campaigning for an end to democracy, arguing that in Thailand Western-style elections have only led to corrupt and ineffective governments.

Instead, it wants a largely appointed parliament, and a legalised role for the military as a kind of referee in Thai politics, our correspondent adds.

[JiveTalker]

...the typical farang man with a Thai girlfriend/wife but who speaks virtually no Thai, knows little or nothing about Thai culture, and spends most of his life bitching about Thailand and Thais...

If you will spend every night sat in Nana Plaza, what do you expect?

There are plenty of decent foreign people in Thailand, you're obviously looking in all the wrong places.

[thaigene2]

starve em out?

oops, have you ever had a run in with a Hungry Thai?

Soo funny! Exactly what I thought. In Belfast and Derry they'll starve in jail to make a point since the food sucks anyway. In Thailand they can't go for a couple of hours without a crisis developing over Hew! Khow!

Just watch, the police and protesters will all be sitting down together laughing and eating in one happy group before you know it..(well maybe not..but it wouldn't surprise me that much..)

[taxexile]

Because unlike many of you, I don't believe in spouting off about things I know nothing about. Lived here for 15 years, speak fluent Thai, married to a Thai, have Thai kids, 95% of my friends are Thai - educated, uneducated - all kinds - Oh, and I have Thai citizenship. And don't usually mix with farangs because I'm not a fan of many of the ones in Thailand.

....judging by your haughty manner i dont think we are missing much.

[ttelise]

Sadly, this is not even news worthy in the US. No mention on any of the news channels and not even on the ticker.

Are farangs so anti PAD simply because they are rocking the boat so to speak as opposed to what is in the country's best interests?

[Shah Jahan]

It is well known that K. Thaksin has a PR office he contracts in Hong Kong to Comment and troll on online fourms blogs etc. There are a few of them here and I will let you discover for yourself as they are quite smooth and clever being the same office contracted by the CCP to comment on Free Tibet youtube videos so they are used to gaining trust by agreeing with both sides and then bringing down the hammer.

If you want to see history in action, spend an afternoon going though the history of the Thaksin Wiki page, you will see was nicely groomed up until a certain date, then he stopped paying the office to update and fight changes every hour - so the page reverted back to more like the truth.

the point being that all that posts here are not what they seem and this is just another front in their battle.

[jumnien]

PAD isn't exactly a part of the Thai Establishment,

What have you been smoking? You can't possibly think this is some kind of spontaneous romantic movement by the weak and oppressed majority against tyranny?

I suppose you're now going to tell me that the old-family bureaucratic types, curiously rich army figures, Prem, aristocracts, and many, many of the other mysteriously yet fantastically wealthy closed-shop families in Thailand are not supporters of PAD? Thaksin and democracy was raining on their vain little parade. It was the first time in their life that someone wasn't holding an umbrella for them - and they're going to make sure populism and democracy never rain on them again.

The new country will be called Thayanmar. Sondhi will be Prime Minister and Baldy, his side-kick, will become Interior Minister. Then all their rich little kids will go shopping at Paragon until the stores all close a year or so later and the US and EU sanctions begin to bite.

The estasblishment and the PAD are not exactly the same thing. the PAD which includes a few members of the establishment (not many) have their own agenda and are sometimes used by the bureaucratic establishment who have a seprate agenda. This is complicated by the fact that the TRT and the PPP even more so are stuffed full of establishment figures. This is not about poor oppressed people. It is a plain old fashioned power struggle between members of the establishment. The establishment figures in the bureaucracy and establishment figures in the PPP will in the end probably find a way to work out a deal and get back to business as usual. It is quite likley that there will be a very few establishment casualties in this including Thaksin and extended family and the PAD and of course the UDD which also includes a few establishment figures.

Oh - yes..I agree more or less with that. This is definitely (and always has been) a struggle between the rich and powerful. I'm just trying to make the point that there's much more to PAD than some sense of moral outrage over a crooked politician. There are most certainly behind the scenes 'hands' as the PPP like to call them working to dismantle once and for all 'populist' politics because that would mean those pulling the strings behind the PAD would lose control of their little feudal patronage society. That's all.

And that is the bottom line- when history judges this event, I'm confident that it will be regarded as the inevitable effort in a developing nation of the aristorcracy attempting to hang on to power in the face of a modernizing political system. Those supporting the PAD who actually are naive enough to believe that their movement is about ridding the country of corruption (though you don't see them demanding an audit of the various and notoriously corrupt beaurocracies) are, I think, being, duped. Sondhi knows what he is doing. He is a mad meglomaniac fueled by little more than an all consuming hatred for Thaksin. So in a sense even he is a pawn. The middle class- those 'People of Chinese Descent Saving the Nation' have alligned themselves with this movement because a government that truly represents the poor majority of this country will probably initiate populist/popular/socialist/welfare state programs that have to be funded by the only class that really pays taxes.

The notion that this is really about corruption- I think, while appealing to foreigners, is a bit hard to swallow given that most Thais have been more than willing to turn a blind eye to corruption even when it was hurting their own pocket books.

Well said Blaze. I think so too. History will be the judge. The rest of the world is watching this too. The US has already warned Thailand and its aristocracy that it is very aware of the hidden reasons and actions here. It said this time there would be a much stronger reaction than last time. I believe the Western countries and Western media are already well onto the trail of what's going on - witness their attemots to cower the BBC's Jonathan Head a few months back for his pointed reporting. This time it will be very different - laid bare for all to see as fewer and fewer are afraid of falling afoul of Thailand's 'don't say, don't say' rule.

You're right it's a last gasp.

Quite right. They are not interested in Democracy. As the BBC report http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7581565.stm

This is a mass protest movement with a difference, according to the BBC correspondent in Bangkok, Jonathan Head.

Despite the name, the People's Alliance for Democracy is actually campaigning for an end to democracy, arguing that in Thailand Western-style elections have only led to corrupt and ineffective governments.

Instead, it wants a largely appointed parliament, and a legalised role for the military as a kind of referee in Thai politics, our correspondent adds.

Excellent article; thanks for the link!

[onethailand]

Sadly, this is not even news worthy in the US. No mention on any of the news channels and not even on the ticker.

Are farangs so anti PAD simply because they are rocking the boat so to speak as opposed to what is in the country's best interests?

Afraid you're wrong there - CNN is definitely covering it.

I won't speak for the other farangs, but I'm not against PAD - except when they go overboard. They can occupy Government House all they like - but taking over a TV station is too much. Taking swipes at reporters - unintentional or not - is too much. And - quite frankly - having to pay people to show up is too much.

[Old Man River]

In answering a question about whether the courts would give Thaksin a fair trial, perhaps the 5 most telling words of the entire session came out.

"I must shut my mouth"

Actually, given what I expected, I thought he did very well. He obviously was well schooled in what to say, but some expected his temper to get in the way, but it didn't. He certainly distanced himself from Thaksin (pleasing several) and he didn't get angry when the proxy question was asked.

The one new bit of info was that although it has always been 5 people that have been thought of as being the "brain trust" of the PAD, Samak twice said it is 6. This leaves people wondering, who is the 6th that the police will be targeting?

Edited August 26, 2008 by Old Man River

[ttelise]

Sadly, this is not even news worthy in the US. No mention on any of the news channels and not even on the ticker.

Are farangs so anti PAD simply because they are rocking the boat so to speak as opposed to what is in the country's best interests?

Afraid you're wrong there - CNN is definitely covering it.

I won't speak for the other farangs, but I'm not against PAD - except when they go overboard. They can occupy Government House all they like - but taking over a TV station is too much. Taking swipes at reporters - unintentional or not - is too much. And - quite frankly - having to pay people to show up is too much.

I have been watching CNN for three hours this morning and I have heard nothing about Thailand.

[gymshark]

...Geez, sometimes it's bloody embarrassing to be farang and mixed up with such a group of freakin' ill-informed know-it-all tossers.

You joined a year and a half ago and this is your only post? Can't wait for the next one.

Edit: Woo-hoo! 3 posts now. Hang on while I go back and read them.

Because unlike many of you, I don't believe in spouting off about things I know nothing about. Lived here for 15 years, speak fluent Thai, married to a Thai, have Thai kids, 95% of my friends are Thai - educated, uneducated - all kinds - Oh, and I have Thai citizenship. And don't usually mix with farangs because I'm not a fan of many of the ones in Thailand.

So yes, I think I'm a bit more qualified than a lot of you on here - the typical farang man with a Thai girlfriend/wife but who speaks virtually no Thai, knows little or nothing about Thai culture, and spends most of his life bitching about Thailand and Thais. Spend a lot of time on here whinging with most of you lot? No thanks - I HAVE a life.

Jeez, time of the month or what?

[gymshark]

You don't say. What a hero. Well done.

you'd go in with guns though, wouldn't you? like a proper hero?

Christ, are you going to follow me round yapping like Shrek's pony all the time? I might have to put your non com arse on ignore, go and find someone else to hero worship.

[onethailand]

In answering a question about whether the courts would give Thaksin a fair trial, perhaps the 5 most telling words of the entire session came out.

"I must shut my mouth"

Actually, given what I expected, I thought he did very well. He obviously was well schooled in what to say, but some expected his temper get in the way, but it didn't. He certainly distanced himself from Thaksin (pleasing several) and he didn't get angry when the proxy question was asked.

The one new bit of info was that although it has always been 5 people that have been thought of as being the "brain trust" of the PAD, Samak twice said it is 6. This leaves people wondering, who is the 6th that the police will be targeting?

I'll agree with that - he kept reasonably good control of his temper, but there was a definite disconnect between brain and tongue once the questions started flying. I still think he would've been better off putting a spokesman forward who would've been easier to understand, and not forced to answer questions (though he did handle the questions okay).

He said 5-6 during the Thai speech as well - so there is definitely an unknown target. I suspect the 6th will only come into play if there is any sign of a coup... let your imagination be your guide!

[esprit]

...Geez, sometimes it's bloody embarrassing to be farang and mixed up with such a group of freakin' ill-informed know-it-all tossers.

You joined a year and a half ago and this is your only post? Can't wait for the next one.

Edit: Woo-hoo! 3 posts now. Hang on while I go back and read them.

Because unlike many of you, I don't believe in spouting off about things I know nothing about. Lived here for 15 years, speak fluent Thai, married to a Thai, have Thai kids, 95% of my friends are Thai - educated, uneducated - all kinds - Oh, and I have Thai citizenship. And don't usually mix with farangs because I'm not a fan of many of the ones in Thailand.

So yes, I think I'm a bit more qualified than a lot of you on here - the typical farang man with a Thai girlfriend/wife but who speaks virtually no Thai, knows little or nothing about Thai culture, and spends most of his life bitching about Thailand and Thais. Spend a lot of time on here whinging with most of you lot? No thanks - I HAVE a life.

Jeez, time of the month or what?

Immature and inflammatory response like that will soon get this thread closed down I fear. It goes further to illustrate well that old addage " the lights are on but nobody is in"

[thaigene2]

It is well known that K. Thaksin has a PR office he contracts in Hong Kong to Comment and troll on online fourms blogs etc. There are a few of them here and I will let you discover for yourself as they are quite smooth and clever being the same office contracted by the CCP to comment on Free Tibet youtube videos so they are used to gaining trust by agreeing with both sides and then bringing down the hammer.

If you want to see history in action, spend an afternoon going though the history of the Thaksin Wiki page, you will see was nicely groomed up until a certain date, then he stopped paying the office to update and fight changes every hour - so the page reverted back to more like the truth.

the point being that all that posts here are not what they seem and this is just another front in their battle.

Hmm, well I guess Jonathan Head must be one of them too, eh? I couldn't give a rat's arse about Thaksin..but I DO CARE about democracy and the right of voters to choose whomever they want to represent them without a small influentially-backed minority trying to remove those representatives by force. Pitty so many others don't share that view - maybe they should move to Burma? I see that democracy there has been under house-arrest for many years now - just what PAD would love.

[onethailand]

I have been watching CNN for three hours this morning and I have heard nothing about Thailand.

You wouldn't happen to be in the US at the moment, would you? If so, it probably shows that it isn't of concern to CNN (yet) in the US, but it is definitely being covered in the International Edition which is shown outside the US.

[KhunLouis]

Who is behind these holigans and paying them? I believe its against the law to advocate the overthrough of the government.

You call that a government..a bunch of crooks, many have criminal records. Samak himself have been convicted to 2 years prison but he is on appeal.

[alaina]

Sadly, this is not even news worthy in the US. No mention on any of the news channels and not even on the ticker.

There's no oil here.