PAD Lay Siege On Government House, NBT TV Station

[ubonjoe]

Rosana says government worsens situation with tough police actions

<H2></H2>Senator Rosana Tositrakul Sunday said the government has worsened the situation by having police take tough actions against the protesters Friday by assaulting them and demolishing their rally facilities.

She said the government also made the situation worse by raising treason charges against the protesters. She said such a tough charge would drive more people to come out to join the rallies.

Rosana said the government would have to change its behaviors to try to tackle the crisis.

The Nation

Footnote: She has been on PAD's stage several time this week.

Edited August 31, 2008 by ubonjoe

[MrSnrang]

Dear all,

Those of you that say the protesters are being paid to protest, please come up with clear evidence, or shut up.

I know at least ten people, that go to the protest area's every night and they go there because they believe it can help to make Thailand a beter place.

If you disagree with the protest, it means you support corruption?

Yes think about it, all those arguments that Samak is the elected leader, bla bla bla, only shows you are very disinformed or stubborn and reluctant to admitt you where wrong

and are afraid to loose face.

Fact's are that Thaksin stole Billions of Bath from the taxpayers.

His wife is now a convicted criminal.

They chose to escape to the UK so they cannot face charges.

Samak told the press that he is a proxy for Thaksin.

Samak and his party friends want to change the constitution, to favor those that did wrong and have Thaksin cleared of all wrongdoings.

And many more.

I tell you, most of my Thai friends are really fed up with this and want a transparant and honest government that really helps the country move forward.

The question is: Who will be the best person to lead Thailand, after Samak and his criminal friends will leave the political stage.

Ditto.

Didn't notice too much going wrong with the military govt anyways.

Under thaksin you didn't know if you were going to go out at night and be forced to have a p­iss-test, get shot in the crossfire of a violent drug war, if you were going to make it to the gas station when it's 9:30 and you're almost empty and it's heavy traffic, etc.

Truth is that Thaksin was good with some things but his power went to his head. He started making laws left and right at the same time as hoarding money at every chance even though he was a multimillionaire. He was a liar, he bluntly lied to the public and press all the time. He sued everyone who criticized him.

Marcos of Thailand.

[h90]

I know 6 people who don't get paid.

Dear all,

Those of you that say the protesters are being paid to protest, please come up with clear evidence, or shut up.

I know at least ten people, that go to the protest area's every night and they go there because they believe it can help to make Thailand a beter place.

If you disagree with the protest, it means you support corruption?

Yes think about it, all those arguments that Samak is the elected leader, bla bla bla, only shows you are very disinformed or stubborn and reluctant to admitt you where wrong

and are afraid to loose face.

Fact's are that Thaksin stole Billions of Bath from the taxpayers.

His wife is now a convicted criminal.

They chose to escape to the UK so they cannot face charges.

Samak told the press that he is a proxy for Thaksin.

Samak and his party friends want to change the constitution, to favor those that did wrong and have Thaksin cleared of all wrongdoings.

And many more.

I tell you, most of my Thai friends are really fed up with this and want a transparant and honest government that really helps the country move forward.

The question is: Who will be the best person to lead Thailand, after Samak and his criminal friends will leave the political stage.

[jitagon]

And yes, I've been personally given the offer from my friends who joined the mob, it's better than the average 200 baht per day pay, who wouldnt want to join?

Anyone wishing to not jeopardize their life and puts themselves on the front line of a civil battle. This isn't "voting" in a booth, it's trench warfare.

Well yes, that can be a comparison with the military who are paying their officers.

However, I always recall that our PAD leaders had stated that those people came with only their sincere heart and demands 'only' for the country to be out of Thaksin's grip.

I'm sure there'll be less than 50 percent of the present protesters if they really protest with only their 'sincerity' but without getting paid.

More people would be busy working to support their families than shouting 'Samak Get Out!!' 24/7.

This should be an easy thing to test. With the cost to the country and risk of injury to the demonstrators, the government should authorize the payment of 1000 baht to anyone willing to get on the bus and depart. 1000 baht per person should be a bargan to the country and I think many might go along with it.

Which just goes to show, yet again, how ridiculously small a grasp you have of the strength of feeling and passion for change the Thais at the PAD rally have. You really have no idea, do you. None. You live in this country, how long? And still equate your values, or what you consider to be the values of the ordinary Thai, from what you and your mates talk over a few beer Changs. Ignorant in the extreme.

[larvidchr]

Isnt it ironic that while its illegal to pay people to vote a certain way it seems perfectly acceptable for an anarchist movement to pay protesters to lay siege to a country in an effort to bring down an elected government.

Demonstrations are legal and democratic means of expression. The protestors are expressing their political views which is a right (free speech) protected by the constitution. There's nothing un-democratic about applying political pressure for Samak to step down. It's not like they are storming parliament with assault rifles.

You are correct but it does not include blocking roads for days on end, taking over a TV station, buildings and etc. that PAD has been doing.

Demonstrations are only legal when announced to authorities in advance and when held in the designated areas agreed upon with the Police. All other demonstrations disturbing the public peace are pr. definition illegal, as are incitement to disturb the peace, destroy public and private property, disturb the function of government, and last but not least trying to overthrow an (with some flaws, but never the less) democratic elected Government with illegal means (force/violence).

We are witnessing the swan song of the ever more desperate PAD leadership who this time seriously overplayed their hand, no matter what happens the courts are not likely to change their rulings and the PAD leaders will go to jail for a long time and they know it, therefore the increasingly more desperate and stupid measures taken like, blocking airports and union leaders forcing their members to report in sick leave, a lot of normal Thais will pay a, for some heavy price, having been sucked in by the coward PAD leaders hiding behind them, while playing them to the tune of the lowest of human instincts, nationalistic rantings mixed with popular entertainment. The PAD leaders days on the lawn of government house will be their last days in freedom.

The wish full thinking postings here on TV that the Government will fall is just that, and is getting ever more desperate to, even if Samak goes the PPP government will stay there is no chance that they will give in to a relatively small mob of fanatical protesters. Credit must be given to all official branches of Thai authorities staying calm in the face of unheard of provocation. Instead of the constant moaning about alleged excessive force by the Thai Police, maybe some posters here on TV should try to imagine a mob trying to storm their own country's Government buildings, in our advanced democracy's there would be scores of dead and wounded.

I hope it all will end soon and relatively peaceful, the now year long constant wailing of these fanatics is getting tedious to the extreme.

Edited August 31, 2008 by larvidchr

[Tony Clifton]

Parliament debate on political crisis kicked off

<H2></H2>The majority of MPs and senators Sunday overwhelming voted to allow a general debate of the two chambers to be held for discussing the political crisis at 2:06 pm.

Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej kicked off the debate by inviting MPs and senators to speak out their opinions the full extent.

Samak said he would listen attentively to opinions of all MPs and senators.

The Nation

[davee58]

Samak asks 30 senators: Will you stand naked in Parliament?

Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej severely criticised 30 senators for siding with the anti-government protesters.

He asked them whether they would show their "true colours" during a special parliamentary debate Sunday afternoon.

"Will you stand naked in front of the people in Parliament this afternoon?" Samak asked during his Talk Samak Style programme on NBT.

He said the senators should have been ashamed of themselves for visiting the protesters at the Government House.

The Nation

Killer Headline

[ubonjoe]

Isnt it ironic that while its illegal to pay people to vote a certain way it seems perfectly acceptable for an anarchist movement to pay protesters to lay siege to a country in an effort to bring down an elected government.

Demonstrations are legal and democratic means of expression. The protestors are expressing their political views which is a right (free speech) protected by the constitution. There's nothing un-democratic about applying political pressure for Samak to step down. It's not like they are storming parliament with assault rifles.

You are correct but it does not include blocking roads for days on end, taking over a TV station, buildings and etc. that PAD has been doing.

Demonstrations are only legal when announced to authorities in advance and when held in the designated areas agreed upon with the Police. All other demonstrations disturbing the public peace are pr. definition illegal, as are incitement to disturb the peace, destroy public and private property, disturb the function of government, and last but not least trying to overthrow an (with some flaws, but never the less) democratic elected Government with illegal means (force/violence).

We are witnessing the swan song of the ever more desperate PAD leadership who this time seriously overplayed their hand, no matter what happens the courts are not likely to change their rulings and the PAD leaders will go to jail for a long time and they know it, therefore the increasingly more desperate and stupid measures taken like blocking airports and union leaders forcing their members to report in sick leave, a lot of normal Thais will have to pay a, for some heavy price, having been sucked in by the cowardly PAD leaders hiding behind them while playing them to the tune of the lowest of human instincts, nationalistic rantings mixed with popular entertainment. The PAD leaders days on the lawn of government house will be their last days in freedom.

The wish full thinking postings here on TV that the Government will fall is just that, and is getting ever more desperate to, even if Samak goes the PPP government will stay there is no chance that they will give in to a relatively small mob of fanatical protesters. Credit must be given to all official branches of Thai authorities staying calm and in the face of unheard of provokation. Instead of the constant moaning about alleged exessive force by the Thai Police, maybe some posters here on TV should try to imagine a mob trying to storm their own countrys Government buildings in our advanced democracys there would be scores of dead and wounded.

I hope it all will end soon and relatively peacefull, the now year long constant vailing of these fanatics is getting tedious to the extreme.

Great Post

[animatic]

Parliament debate on political crisis kicked off

<H2></H2>The majority of MPs and senators Sunday overwhelming voted to allow a general debate of the two chambers to be held for discussing the political crisis at 2:06 pm.

Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej kicked off the debate by inviting MPs and senators to speak out their opinions the full extent.

Samak said he would listen attentively to opinions of all MPs and senators.

The Nation

This is respect for the opinions of your fellow parlementarians?

[Pierrot]

Something really bothers me. A number of people here question the intelligence of Mr. Samak.

If he is so stupid and you are so smart, why is he Thailand PM and you are nobody ?

Please explain

[animatic]

Something really bothers me. A number of people here question the intelligence of Mr. Samak.

If he is so stupid and you are so smart, why is he Thailand PM and you are nobody ?

Please explain

Well for one thing he IS Thai...

He was a compromise candidate pulled from retirement

as a figure head, who hopefully would distract people from

the real power game played in the background.

It may not have played out as hoped.

He is an old school political grappler, his strong point,

and has a certain appeal to those in the country side

used to identifying with tough characters being those in power.

He also has a certain bulldog pigheadness or bloody mindedness,

he doesn't back down easily. A definite plus in Dr. T's calculation.

So while he blusters, things happen behind the scenes.

Like Kuhn Newin off to London, with or without his bags,

for a consult. While his clan mate controls a talkfest back here.

Kuhn Samak is directly from the old school Bangkok politics,

and seems under-prepared for the modern game on a national level.

But he is not stupid, just wrong time, wrong place, to last long.

Edited August 31, 2008 by animatic

[ando]

Rosana says government worsens situation with tough police actions

<H2></H2>Senator Rosana Tositrakul Sunday said the government has worsened the situation by having police take tough actions against the protesters Friday by assaulting them and demolishing their rally facilities.

She said the government also made the situation worse by raising treason charges against the protesters. She said such a tough charge would drive more people to come out to join the rallies.

Rosana said the government would have to change its behaviors to try to tackle the crisis.

The Nation

Footnote: She has been on PAD's stage several time this week.

Rosana is lucky she doesn't live in an advanced western democracy where such illegal acts of anarchy would be promptly put down by riot squads using all reasonable force including trungeons, tear gas, rubber bullets and water cannons. She quite obviously has her own agenda.

[ubonjoe]

Police prevent face-off between DAAD, PAD

BangkokPost.com) - The Deputy Prime Minister and Interior Minister, Pol Gen Kowit Wattana, ordered police forces to keep a close watch on the movements of the Democratic Alliance Against Dictatorship (DAAD) and the People’s Alliance for Democracy (PAD) to prevent supporters from both sides from clashing, particularly after the special joint session of both the Lower and Upper Houses of Parliament on Sunday.

Police officials also beefed up security at state offices in different provinces to prevent demonstrators from breaking in and causing unrest.

Pol Gen Kowit on Sunday inspected the weapons and narcotics seized by the police from the PAD followers near Makkhawan Rangsan Bridge and at the state-run National Broadcasting Services of Thailand (NBT) station. The group attempted to seize NBT station on August 26.

[larvidchr]

Something really bothers me. A number of people here question the intelligence of Mr. Samak.

If he is so stupid and you are so smart, why is he Thailand PM and you are nobody ?

Please explain

[h90]

Something really bothers me. A number of people here question the intelligence of Mr. Samak.

If he is so stupid and you are so smart, why is he Thailand PM and you are nobody ?

Please explain

No one "question" it.....

It is pretty clear

[ubonjoe]

Rosana says government worsens situation with tough police actions

<H2></H2>Senator Rosana Tositrakul Sunday said the government has worsened the situation by having police take tough actions against the protesters Friday by assaulting them and demolishing their rally facilities.

She said the government also made the situation worse by raising treason charges against the protesters. She said such a tough charge would drive more people to come out to join the rallies.

Rosana said the government would have to change its behaviors to try to tackle the crisis.

The Nation

Footnote: She has been on PAD's stage several time this week.

Rosana is lucky she doesn't live in an advanced western democracy where such illegal acts of anarchy would be promptly put down by riot squads using all reasonable force including trungeons, tear gas, rubber bullets and water cannons. She quite obviously has her own agenda.

I did a search on her. In an article I found dated March 06 it was stated that she was a core member of PAD.

[h90]

found that in Bangkok post:

Protesters to leave Government House

(BangkokPost.com) - People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) leader Chamlong Srimuang, ordered demonstrators to leave the main building at Government House on Sunday, after widespread criticism and publicity that the grounds had become an unsanitry eyesore.

Maj-Gen Chamlong said he feared that "other ill-intentioned people" might set fire to the building and blame the PAD. He told the media that people who refuse to leave the building are not PAD followers.

The core leader of the anti-government group asked demonstrators to listen only to senior PAD leaders such as himself, and not to believe rumours that police were about to attack to disperse them.

Another PAD activist Pibhop Dhongchai said the anti-government group have agreed that core member Somsak Kosaikul will be the sole person who can command their supporters to rally in different locations.

Concerning the charges of insurrection imposed against nine key members of the PAD by the Criminal Court, Mr Pibhop insisted they will not yield and they can sacrifice themselves for their supporters. He also asked them to continue demonstrating peacefully.

He asked the PAD followers to stop working until the government becomes paralysed.

Edited August 31, 2008 by h90

[joe beets]

Rosana is lucky she doesn't live in an advanced western democracy where such illegal acts of anarchy would be promptly put down by riot squads using all reasonable force including trungeons, tear gas, rubber bullets and water cannons. She quite obviously has her own agenda.

Oh I see. You're being ironic. Nice one.

[Tony Clifton]

Something really bothers me. A number of people here question the intelligence of Mr. Samak.

If he is so stupid and you are so smart, why is he Thailand PM and you are nobody ?

Please explain

The job of PM under TRT-PPP is not a question of intelligence, it's a matter of lacking judgement, morals and integrity.

[pauls2979]

where has the PAD rally gone, not on TOC at the moment?

[ando]

Rosana is lucky she doesn't live in an advanced western democracy where such illegal acts of anarchy would be promptly put down by riot squads using all reasonable force including trungeons, tear gas, rubber bullets and water cannons. She quite obviously has her own agenda.

Oh I see. You're being ironic. Nice one.

So, do you disagree? I don't think so.

Lets hear your rebuttal.

[Pierrot]

Something really bothers me. A number of people here question the intelligence of Mr. Samak.

If he is so stupid and you are so smart, why is he Thailand PM and you are nobody ?

Please explain

The job of PM under TRT-PPP is not a question of intelligence, it's a matter of lacking judgement, morals and integrity.

One more question. Based on your answer, I'm definitively qualified to rule Thailand, where should I apply ?

[Crushdepth]

Rosana is lucky she doesn't live in an advanced western democracy where such illegal acts of anarchy would be promptly put down by riot squads using all reasonable force including trungeons, tear gas, rubber bullets and water cannons. She quite obviously has her own agenda.

She lives in a country where the army has massacred demonstrators in the streets on several previous occasions. *Nobody* wants to go there again.

[ubonjoe]

where has the PAD rally gone, not on TOC at the moment?

Try this link it takes you directly to the goverment house broadcast, Just checked and one of the familiar faces is talkiing the useual crap.

http://www.astv-tv.com/new1_broadcast.html

[sabaijai]

Something really bothers me. A number of people here question the intelligence of Mr. Samak.

If he is so stupid and you are so smart, why is he Thailand PM and you are nobody ?

Please explain

The job of PM under TRT-PPP is not a question of intelligence, it's a matter of lacking judgement, morals and integrity.

Exactly.

[h90]

Something really bothers me. A number of people here question the intelligence of Mr. Samak.

If he is so stupid and you are so smart, why is he Thailand PM and you are nobody ?

Please explain

The job of PM under TRT-PPP is not a question of intelligence, it's a matter of lacking judgement, morals and integrity.

One more question. Based on your answer, I'm definitively qualified to rule Thailand, where should I apply ?

After reading many of your postings, I think you would be a qualified ruler in a PPP/TRT government.

You must apply in London.

[pauls2979]

where has the PAD rally gone, not on TOC at the moment?

Try this link it takes you directly to the goverment house broadcast, Just checked and one of the familiar faces is talkiing the useual crap.

http://www.astv-tv.com/new1_broadcast.html

thanks for that ,

one more thing , are they staying or going home to night?

[h90]

From the Nation:

Gen Songkitti endorsed as new supreme commander

Gen Songkitti Jaggabatara was endorsed in the annual military reshuffle as the new Supreme Commander replacing retiring Gen Boonsrang Niumpradit.

The most powerful in the Thai military General Anupong Paochinda retained his position of Army chief.

Songkitti who formerly Joint Chief of Staff would take the position officially on October 1, when Boonsarng retired at the age of 60.

The new supreme commander Sonkitti is the former classmate of the Army chief Anupong at the 10th class of the PreCadet Academy. Both also are former classmate of deposed Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra.

The reshuffle also brought the Assistance to the Army Chief General Jiradej Kocharat to be the deputy army chief and Fourth Army Region Commander Viroj Buacharoon was promoted as the assistance to the army chief.

The First Army Region Commander Lt.General Prayut Chanocha was picked up as the army chief of staff. The position of the First Army Region Commander would be filled by Maj.General Kanit Sapitak. Maj.General Pichet Wisaichorn formerly the deputy commander of the Second Army Region replaced Viroj as the commander of the Fourth Army Region.

The reshuffle at the Navy brought Admiral Kamthorn Phumpirun to become the commander replacing Admiral Satirapan Keyanon who retired. Admiral Somdej Thongpium, special advisor at the Navy was promoted to be the deputy Navy chief.

At the Air Force, Air Chief Marshal Itthaporn Subhawong who is formerly the air chief of staff succeeded ACM Chalit Phukpasuk as the Royal Thai Air Force chief. ACM Kanaphan Sanguansat was the deputy commander of the Air Force Commander. Air Marshal Manit Saphanpang was picked up as the air chief of staff.

At the Defense Ministry, Deputy Permanent Secretary General Gen. Apichart Penkitti was promoted as the Permanent Secretary General replacing Gen. Winai Phattiyakul who retired. ACM Phutthi Mangkalapuek took the position of the deputy permanent secretary genera.

end of quote

Someone know who is who? Friend of Thaksin, friend of Chamlong, friend of who?

[ando]

Rosana is lucky she doesn't live in an advanced western democracy where such illegal acts of anarchy would be promptly put down by riot squads using all reasonable force including trungeons, tear gas, rubber bullets and water cannons. She quite obviously has her own agenda.

She lives in a country where the army has massacred demonstrators in the streets on several previous occasions. *Nobody* wants to go there again.

Granted that nobody wants to see a military massacre of protesters. However that does not exclude the use of non-lethal reasonable force (as stated above and as commonly used in more advanced western democracies) to control illegal mobs breaking the law.

[ubonjoe]

where has the PAD rally gone, not on TOC at the moment?

Try this link it takes you directly to the goverment house broadcast, Just checked and one of the familiar faces is talkiing the useual crap.

http://www.astv-tv.com/new1_broadcast.html

thanks for that ,

one more thing , are they staying or going home to night?

I am sure they plan on staying. Of course that depends on what happens in Parliment today.