U.s. Banking Crisis: Capitalism "gone Wild"?

[midas]

Just curiou but as the day goes on here his death is being reported as.....

1) Suicide by hanging

2) Suicide by gun shot

3)"We're not going to give you details of the condition of the body, except to say it was an apparent suicide."

A medical examiner will determine the cause of death

<deleted>???? Apparently No Suicide note?

41 years old lots of money & a young daughter ...happily married pillar of society?

This tells me things are probably a lot worse than they ( Freddie & Fannie ) have said....Big Surprise there...Not !!

Also makes me wonder if he shot himself then hung himself or is it just a case of Dead Man tells no Goldman Sachs Tales?

Mai Bpen Rai but I am curious

With the daughter and the wife also in the house at the same time.

[Naam]

When you say " back to secession. my opinion: an [excre]mental product of hallucinating wet dreamers " I can only concur with your own staement that " any clown can claim and write whatever he/she pleases " because you very often do in this forum.

i admit that i write as i please. the big difference to your writing is that i do not present wet dreams which require a rubber sheet to protect the mattress on which i sleep not to talk about ridiculous statements such as "we have established" and "they confessed".

[midas]

When you say " back to secession. my opinion: an [excre]mental product of hallucinating wet dreamers " I can only concur with your own staement that " any clown can claim and write whatever he/she pleases " because you very often do in this forum.

i admit that i write as i please. the big difference to your writing is that i do not present wet dreams which require a rubber sheet to protect the mattress on which i sleep not to talk about ridiculous statements such as "we have established" and "they confessed".

You are very sad person because you spend so much time on this web site doing

absolutely nothing except criticise and nitpick other peoples postings without

contributing anything positive to whichever subject matter is being discussed.

Are you are frustrated schoolteacher ?

As I said try being a scientist as you claim to be and concentrate

on defending your argument even just a little

on the actual subject matter instead of only personal attacks and now here introducing

something from an entirely different thread. When the argument gets too complicated

for you you only ever resort to personal attacks without anything to substantiate your contrary viewpoint.

Please enlighten me as to why you don't think some American states

could eventually break away from federal control?

[VegasVic]

HATS OFF Midas! you presented a most interesting website. some of the main topics are listed below. but i am still looking for a detailed report about aliens who put Obama in power

KILL ALL ROTHCHILDS & DESTROY THEIR EVIL RESERVE BANK FOR MURDERING OUR TROOPS IN IRAQ & SOON IRAN http://clifylq.livejournal.com/22585.html

CA GOVERNOR JACOB ROTHSCHILD (ARNOLD'S BOSS) PASSES SATAN'S GAY MARRIAGE EVIL http://clifylq.livejournal.com/82935.html

DESTROY THE EVIL FEDERAL RESERVE THAT IS CAUSING AMERICA'S FINANCIAL PROBLEMS http://clifylq.livejournal.com/78436.html

911 B - ZIONIST ROTHSCHILDS ARE BEHIND THE BAILOUT BS OF AMERICA'S TAX DOLLARS http://clifylq.livejournal.com/93980.html

THE SATANIC ROTHSCHILD DYNASTY http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/bloodlines/rothschild.htm

SATAN'S TWO SUPREME COURTS OF EVIL IN ISRAEL/ISRAEL'S IN AMERICA ROTHSCHILD MADE http://clifylq.livejournal.com/85748.html

THE GREAT SATAN ISRAEL CELEBRATES THEIR FEDERAL RESERVE BANK TO DESTROY AMERICA http://clifylq.livejournal.com/46248.htmlhttp://www.

rense.com/ufo2/fedrez.htm

BUSH SIGNS AN ECONOMIC STIMULUS PACKAGE IN AMERICA TO HELP ISRAEL http://clifylq.livejournal.com/81061.html

THE ROTHCHILDS MURDER PRESIDENTS LINCOLN AND KENNEDY & ORDER 9/11 ALL FOR THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK http://clifylq.livejournal.com/22470.html

THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK IS ASSISTING ILLEGAL ALIENS http://clifylq.livejournal.com/23312.html

ISRAEL CELEBRATES THE BANK OF AMERICA & THE MEXICAN REVOLUTION IN AMERICA http://clifylq.livejournal.com/27917.html

AMERICA THE ONLY GOOD ROTHSCHILD IS A DEAD ONE!!

Why is it that goldbugs always see demons, aliens and fantastic conspiracy theories at every turn? It kind of sounds like Oliver Stone and Michael Moore meets Fredriech Neitche and Dante Is there something inherently unstable with people who become goldbugs or is it that they become goldbugs because they are unstable

[midas]

HATS OFF Midas! you presented a most interesting website. some of the main topics are listed below. but i am still looking for a detailed report about aliens who put Obama in power

KILL ALL ROTHCHILDS & DESTROY THEIR EVIL RESERVE BANK FOR MURDERING OUR TROOPS IN IRAQ & SOON IRAN http://clifylq.livejournal.com/22585.html

CA GOVERNOR JACOB ROTHSCHILD (ARNOLD'S BOSS) PASSES SATAN'S GAY MARRIAGE EVIL http://clifylq.livejournal.com/82935.html

DESTROY THE EVIL FEDERAL RESERVE THAT IS CAUSING AMERICA'S FINANCIAL PROBLEMS http://clifylq.livejournal.com/78436.html

911 B - ZIONIST ROTHSCHILDS ARE BEHIND THE BAILOUT BS OF AMERICA'S TAX DOLLARS http://clifylq.livejournal.com/93980.html

THE SATANIC ROTHSCHILD DYNASTY http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/bloodlines/rothschild.htm

SATAN'S TWO SUPREME COURTS OF EVIL IN ISRAEL/ISRAEL'S IN AMERICA ROTHSCHILD MADE http://clifylq.livejournal.com/85748.html

THE GREAT SATAN ISRAEL CELEBRATES THEIR FEDERAL RESERVE BANK TO DESTROY AMERICA http://clifylq.livejournal.com/46248.htmlhttp://www.

rense.com/ufo2/fedrez.htm

BUSH SIGNS AN ECONOMIC STIMULUS PACKAGE IN AMERICA TO HELP ISRAEL http://clifylq.livejournal.com/81061.html

THE ROTHCHILDS MURDER PRESIDENTS LINCOLN AND KENNEDY & ORDER 9/11 ALL FOR THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK http://clifylq.livejournal.com/22470.html

THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK IS ASSISTING ILLEGAL ALIENS http://clifylq.livejournal.com/23312.html

ISRAEL CELEBRATES THE BANK OF AMERICA & THE MEXICAN REVOLUTION IN AMERICA http://clifylq.livejournal.com/27917.html

AMERICA THE ONLY GOOD ROTHSCHILD IS A DEAD ONE!!

Why is it that goldbugs always see demons, aliens and fantastic conspiracy theories at every turn? It kind of sounds like Oliver Stone and Michael Moore meets Fredriech Neitche and Dante Is there something inherently unstable with people who become goldbugs or is it that they become goldbugs because they are unstable

I subsequently posted http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._...ssion_proposals

to support my argument. Would you care to try to discredit that web site ?

[midas]

Just curiou but as the day goes on here his death is being reported as.....

1) Suicide by hanging

2) Suicide by gun shot

3)"We're not going to give you details of the condition of the body, except to say it was an apparent suicide."

A medical examiner will determine the cause of death

<deleted>???? Apparently No Suicide note?

41 years old lots of money & a young daughter ...happily married pillar of society?

This tells me things are probably a lot worse than they ( Freddie & Fannie ) have said....Big Surprise there...Not !!

Also makes me wonder if he shot himself then hung himself or is it just a case of Dead Man tells no Goldman Sachs Tales?

Mai Bpen Rai but I am curious

Flying I missed all this ...........I hope all of this does come out in the

open if Franks and his colleagues failed to disclose something they should have ?

So what do these documents tell us? Well now we know for certain that Congress was made aware of the massive problems at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac going back at least six years. When you read through these documents, you can see how desperate officials at FHFA were sounding the alarm regarding fraud, abuse and corruption at Fannie and Freddie.

Yet even when faced with the litany of complaints by FHFA against these two GSEs, liberals in Congress, led by Congressman Barney Frank, repeatedly blocked attempts to rein them in. Here's just one example:

During a hearing on September 10, 2003 before the House Committee on Financial Services considering a Bush administration proposal to further regulate Fannie and Freddie, Rep. Frank stated: "I want to begin by saying that I am glad to consider the legislation, but I do not think we are facing any kind of a crisis. That is, in my view, the two government sponsored enterprises we are talking about here, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not in a crisis. We have recently had an accounting problem with Freddie Mac that has led to people being dismissed, as appears to be appropriate. I do not think at this point there is a problem with a threat to the Treasury."

[flying]

Why is it that goldbugs always see demons, aliens and fantastic conspiracy theories at every turn? It kind of sounds like Oliver Stone and Michael Moore meets Fredriech Neitche and Dante Is there something inherently unstable with people who become goldbugs or is it that they become goldbugs because they are unstable

Oh boy pot calling kettle black?

Or are you a dollar bug this week?

Or are you a oil bug this week?

I hate to admit this after being such a anti goldbug on this forum, but I covered the remaider of my oil short position yesterday and bought in a sizeable position in AUY at $3.52! I am not hedged in AUY currently but may buy puts on Monday AM. I don't think that Peter Schiffs $2000 gold prediction for 2009 will come true, however given peoples lack of confidence in the financial system and dismal returns in government bonds, I think that there will be a certain % of people that will move to gold in order to preserve capital. I want to make it clear that I do not want any invitatins to any goldbug gatherings Have a good Thanksgiving fly!

[flying]

Flying I missed all this ...........I hope all of this does come out in the

open if Franks and his colleagues failed to disclose something they should have ?

Lets just hope the suicides & accidental deaths dont start rising....again

[samuibeachcomber]

there are n't enough conspiracy theories there should be more.trouble is if you present one as an idea you are shot down in flames.why does everything have to be proved to be true.smoke and mirrors,more lies................the stuff of what govts. are made of.there is no truth,only lies.get used to it,but it wont stop the outcome.

[midas]

there are n't enough conspiracy theories there should be more.trouble is if you present one as an idea you are shot down in flames.why does everything have to be proved to be true.smoke and mirrors,more lies................the stuff of what govts. are made of.there is no truth,only lies.get used to it,but it wont stop the outcome.

Yes indeed samui- 2 years ago people who claimed there were a group of people acting secretly at AIG dealing in fantasyland CDS would have probably been called cranks

Terminology

The term "conspiracy theory" may be a neutral descriptor for any conspiracy claim. To conspire means "to join in a secret agreement to do an unlawful or wrongful act or to use such means to accomplish a lawful end."

[samuibeachcomber]

yes,and another thing,people still actually believe what govts. tell them,and actually believe that this mess is just a mistake caused by under regulation.When you get a few powerful men inter swapping jobs between Wall street,US govt./congress and the federal reserve its not hard to figure out these same people knew exactly what they were doing.

hel_l if i had a legal print press where i could just go ahead and print money,loan it to the govt. at interest i'd be encouraging bail outs too.

[midas]

yes,and another thing,people still actually believe what govts. tell them,and actually believe that this mess is just a mistake caused by under regulation.When you get a few powerful men inter swapping jobs between Wall street,US govt./congress and the federal reserve its not hard to figure out these same people knew exactly what they were doing.

hel_l if i had a legal print press where i could just go ahead and print money,loan it to the govt. at interest i'd be encouraging bail outs too.

And if it has happened so many times in the past - it makes you wonder why

some people are so eager to dismiss the possibility that is happening toda

regarding this financial crisis..............

CONSPIRACY THEORIES THAT TURNED OUT TO BE TRUE

http://conspiraciesthatweretrue.blogspot.c...acies-from.html

[AlexLah]

Ok I made a list of people that allegedly committed suicide and worked in the bit higher positions in the financial industry.

A few of them are suspicious like Mrs Hunt who apparently stabbed herself to death with a small kitchen knife , and one guy that was found in the woods

with slashed wrist where very little blood was found on the scene. Most of those people had family's and were in good relationships and apart from stress at work did not have substantial financial private problems.

Kristy Hunt Mortgage banker/ market manager Community Bank & Trust in Joplin self inflicted wounds by small kitchen knife (Strange)

Alex W. Widmer Swiss banker

Kirk Stephenson City banker in front of train

Christen Schnor, Hanged himself HSBC banker

Steven Sueppel Vice president Kills his whole family and crashes his car and dies

Philip Reilly Lumber company shot himself

Henry J. Christoph Private banker shot himself

Neil Coulbeck, a former executive at the Royal Bank of Scotland Slashed wrist (This one is a strange case where little blood was found)

Edward Mattar BestBank founder Jumps from building

Mrs Ellerbeck died at home from asphyxiation and manual compression of the neck ( ) . Head of liquidity management over at HSBC Asset Management.

Gavin MacDonald. Global head of M&A at Morgan Stanley,heart attack

Rene-Thierry Magon de la Villehuche Founder of hedge fund Access International Advisers Lost a few Billion to Madeoff. Slashed wrist

David Kellermann, acting chief financial officer of mortgage giant Freddie Mac. Hangs himself

Cevher Özden, also known as banker Castelli, shot himself

About a 100 "bankers" committed suicide during the crash of the great depression and about 1600 banks went up in smoke that time.

So far from what I found by searching there has been 13 people (14 when including heart attack) committing suicide that where higher placed individuals within investment banks and other financial institutions the last 2.5 years.

Since beginning 2008 until recently 50 banks have so far failed.

2008 25 banks failed, about 2 a month

2009 25 banks failed about 6 a month (Jan-April)

Info from: http://www.fdic.gov/bank/individual/failed/banklist.html

I guess we are going to see some more alleged suicides and a whole lot more bank failures.

[midas]

I guess we are going to see some more alleged suicides and a whole lot more bank failures.

And anyone who ridicules you for this statement probably believes Alexander Litvinenko

died of natural causes as well

[AlexLah]

O yes Midas and I think I already have a strong idea who they are, ha ha ha.

And those that are in denial can do two things, investigate themselves by giving them some pointers or stay in denial, which is also fine with me.

Same as with the MSM, they are instructed (in some cases) and their tactic's are well known, simple example would be RP, that was ridiculed and laughed at and withhold from debates and stuff.

Now when he is on tv it goes like o yeah mister Ron Paul who was right after all, welcome sir bla bla.

There is so much stuff going on that we have only a small idea about and other stuff that is a bit easier to uncover, but it's fun to try to find out.

I have no doubt that there is something we can do about it unless you are going to get massive protest and some good old rioting, will see.

[midas]

Flying I missed all this ...........I hope all of this does come out in the

open if Franks and his colleagues failed to disclose something they should have ?

Lets just hope the suicides & accidental deaths dont start rising....again

Hey we are in for an intersting soap opera up ahead

A group of top independent lawyers in the USA say that the letter released by New York State Attorney

General regarding Ken Lewis and the Bank of America board will lead to an avalanche of lawsuits against, Bank of America, Ken Lewis and the

BAC board, John Thain, Henry Paulson, the U.S. Treasury and Ben Bernanke et al at the Fed.

They said in their minds there is no question Lewis, Paulson and Bernanke are guilty of committing fraud.

At the very least, all the people listed above will subject to massive lawsuits by Bank of America shareholders.

My immediate thought when I read this was how this could impact the financial markets-to have

Chairman of the Federal Reserve possibly being prosecuted for fraud or at least being sued

[flying]

Chairman of the Federal Reserve possibly being prosecuted for fraud or at least being sued

That in many ways is the worst part of this whole mess.

Nothing the law could legally do to those who committed all the infractions would be enough.

There is no suitable punishment is there?

Edited April 24, 2009 by flying

[Naam]

Chairman of the Federal Reserve possibly being prosecuted for fraud or at least being sued

That in many ways is the worst part of this whole mess. Nothing the law could legally do to those who committed all the infractions would be enough. There is no suitable punishment is there?

i think there is. a jury could sentence Paulson and Bernanke to life imprisonment and mandatory reading (12 hours a day, 7 days a week) of Thaivisa 'economy section'. but that would bring Amnesty International into the picture because it means violation of human rights and torture.

[AlexLah]

Dead by a thousand cut's would do. Everyday we do one for live tv while the other frauds would have to look in agony, something like that.

I estimate we could fill 4-5 seasons.

[samuibeachcomber]

Chairman of the Federal Reserve possibly being prosecuted for fraud or at least being sued

That in many ways is the worst part of this whole mess. Nothing the law could legally do to those who committed all the infractions would be enough. There is no suitable punishment is there?

i think there is. a jury could sentence Paulson and Bernanke to life imprisonment and mandatory reading (12 hours a day, 7 days a week) of Thaivisa 'economy section'. but that would bring Amnesty International into the picture because it means violation of human rights and torture.

Nice one Mr. Naam.

[BEENTHEREDONETHAT]

What would hurt them the most would be to take all or their and their wife money and toys. Plus a lifetime in maximum security.

[flying]

What would hurt them the most would be to take all or their and their wife money and toys. Plus a lifetime in maximum security.

Or perhaps two guys a pair of pliers & a blow torch could get medieval on them?

(Pulp Fiction )

Edited April 24, 2009 by flying