Internet Chatters Display Genitals Through Webcams

[jayjayjayjay]

I can see the next mission for the Ministry of Social Thaisim. Place spy software at all IP providers nations wide. Have them capture all .jpeg(pictures) etc and .wvm(movie) etc files. Create a master(-bator) data base. Then start a search. I'd say that a penis or pussy would be more idenitfiable than a finger print. Only problem as we might use up the countries supply of magnifying glasses!!!!! Better still, why not post them on page 2 of Thai Rak newspaper daily to shame the little buggers. I bet you nobody would want to be seen in public!!!!!!!!!

[astral]

They don't need to capture ALL the pictures and movies.

There is already sw that is able to analyse images and detect inappropriate material.

It is used by companies to filter e-mail content.

[h90]

every kid can watch bloody movies where every 10 seconds someone get killed. But genitals or sex....everyone is shocked and sure that will damage the young one.....

Agreed. Especially true of new American films. I started watching something the other day and there was so much gratuitous violence I had to give it up. That plus the fact that the script writers seem to feel obliged to throw ' motherfuc_ker ' into every other sentance makes it very tedious for an adult but magnetic to teenagers. It seems to give out the impression that its o.k. to kill someone as long as they can't see your private parts. Besides, the net is awash with porn so surely this is a greater threat.

Yes the net is full and no filter can prevent that.....But (beside some sick things) it is just sex, usually that does not do damage to people. While killing other should be something much worse. Sex is part of our life, killing people shouldn't.

[Artisi]

I was going to type something smart but couldn't for the life of me think of anything to say about such a stupid perceived (non) problem.

[Plus]

People can do whatever they want with their webcams, but this case involves minors and public places, and owners who allow this on premises.

[sylviex]

(jts-khorat @ 2008-09-24 15:51:01) In my post above I tried to persiflage the connection that the article assumes between flashing gays......_______

Persiflage,,,,,persiflage?!? Using a word like persiflage is the posting equivalent of flashing your genitals in the public baths. Crikey, I haven't encountered that word in print since I tool my SAT back in 1969.

It used to be a noun back then, too . Sounds kinda painful as a verb.

(Forgive me, jts-khorat - couldn't resist.)

[astral]

People can do whatever they want with their webcams, but this case involves minors and public places, and owners who allow this on premises.

I still find it difficult to believe that cafe owners do allow this in public places

as was suggested at the seminar.

Back rooms maybe, but is that a "public place".

[JetsetBkk]

In my post above I tried to persiflage the connection that the article assumes between flashing gays......

Persiflage,,,,,persiflage?!? Using a word like persiflage is the posting equivalent of flashing your genitals in the public baths. Crikey, I haven't encountered that word in print since I tool my SAT back in 1969.

It used to be a noun back then, too . Sounds kinda painful as a verb.

(Forgive me, jts-khorat - couldn't resist.)

Yes, it's a noun - you can't "persiflage" anything, not even in this thread.

[geriatrickid]

People can do whatever they want with their webcams, but this case involves minors and public places, and owners who allow this on premises.

I still find it difficult to believe that cafe owners do allow this in public places

as was suggested at the seminar.

Back rooms maybe, but is that a "public place".

Glad to see some people haven't lost their grip on reality

The quick jump to conclusion and the acceptance of the allegations without having seen the original report, the supporting information or having verified the motives for the original statement speaks to the gullability and simplemindedness of a person.

Amornwit Nakhonthab, director of the Ramjitti Institute quoted a Child Watch report.

Why did he do that? Why wasn't the working relationship between Ramjitti and Child Watch declared? Which Child Watch entity was it? Has anyone ever read an audited financial statement from Child Watch?

And if people think kids are exposing their genitals in an internet cafe, they don't know kids very well, nor have they been in an internet cafe. They are not very private nor conducive to flashing.

[OlRedEyes]

Let's all just display our genitals, then it is the norm and the kids won't want to do it.

Problem solved.

Most 'problems' in society are created by society.

[Cuban]

Most 'problems' in society are created by society.

Get rid of the people - easier to police them.

[animatic]

If we all procreated with our faces,

instead of just using them as attractor till the phremone's can reach out,

we might just be showing genitals in stead of faces...

Violence from ANY source is MUCH worse for a teenagers pyschy

than ANY amount of same age sex images.

Yes certainly pedos and violent domination sex are out and deplorable.

But kids flashing each other is just something many do, and most don't.

Comparing who's got the bigger slong is a rite of passage for most teenage boys.

Most teenage girls would see a guy hauling it out and desolve into fits of laughter...

I doubt there is a non invalided girl or boy over age 12 that hasn't seen

an organ of reproduction so far in their lives. In the flesh or pictures.

Puberty = changes = curiousity = testing of limits

Stupid, unprotected, thoughtless sex relations is bad,

but making it a greater taboo often makes it a

GREATER attraction for the young of this age group.

This is something to be avoided.

Shut down the violence, talk to your children about sex

and personal responsability and worry less.

Edited September 26, 2008 by animatic

[Plus]

Has anyone ever read an audited financial statement from Child Watch?

Any more silly questions?

Are you implying they made the story up from nothing?

They even gave the location of the shops, btw.

[astral]

Among more than 15,000 unregistered Internet cafes and computergame shops, many of them, which are popular among gay male clients, allow chatters to openly show off their genitals through webcams,

If he has direct knowledge, then why have the police not been contacted to close the places??

These shops are located mostly opposite Ramkhamhaeng University

Almost 15,000 cafes in such small area.

Hard to believe

..... and law enforcement officials could not effectively tackle such explicit exposure in public places,

If that is the case then the official (Police?) are clearly not doing their job.

There are around 5,000 shops and cafes registered with authorities, but their services for minors after 10 pm or customers in school uniforms were regularly reported. Game addiction and school absenteeism are increasing in Bangkok and major provinces across the country, the Child Watch report said.

Is this 5000 across the whole country, when there are 15,000 in Ramkamheng alone???

This whole report is so riddled with inconsistencies as to be totally lacking in any credibility

And if people think kids are exposing their genitals in an internet cafe,

they don't know kids very well, nor have they been in an internet cafe.

They are not very private nor conducive to flashing.

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Good point

Unless you were reading a very different report to me,

there is no mention of children flashing in the OP?

[Plus]

The way I understand English, the offending shops were "among" the 15,000 cafes.

The police cannot sit there and monitor all potential flashers.

In the old days there were plenty of Internet shops that gave you almost total privacy, they weren't rooms per se, but they had screens and curtains and what not.

I am not surprised that gay friendly shops make some kind of arrangements for their customers, it gives them a competitive edge.

[astral]

The police cannot sit there and monitor all potential flashers.

They can trace the IP address and threaten to close the cafe if this behaviour continues.

[animatic]

The police cannot sit there and monitor all potential flashers.

They can trace the IP address and threaten to close the cafe if this behaviour continues.

You credit it them with technical prowess and time beyond their means.

And unless they IDENTIFY actual the culpret,

caught pants down 'n' red, er, pink handed, so to speak...

closing the cafe does nothing except mean he goes to a DIFFERENT cafe.

Edited September 26, 2008 by animatic

[Plus]

You can trace the IP address only if you have a connection with the flasher or have access to a stored live webcam feed. That would require a sting operation.

I assume the article is based on the witness accounts, also known as hearsay, and not on actual evidence.

[geriatrickid]

Unless you were reading a very different report to me, there is no mention of children flashing in the OP?

You are correct. I was responding to the references made by several people that children were involved. There was a stampede to make this out to involve some sort of mass genitalia orgy involving minors, which, I agree is not the case. For example;

Some of the commenys on here are bang out of order. Kids in any country need protecting from abuse.

My reference was to posts apparently displaying an interest in 'schoolkids' showing their 'wares'--I have nothing against porn per se but with a daughter who is still in school I was somewhat dismayed by this--you, Jt, can 'research' these Thai sites as much as you like/need to.

People can do whatever they want with their webcams, but this case involves minors and public places, and owners who allow this on premises.

In respect to my questioning the reliability of the initial statement, which was dismissed by a reader, I stand by my question. Groups that make allegations and claims without providing corroborating documentation and which do not distribute audited financial statements cause me to question motives. (If you can provide the statements and can confirm that the group is a signatory to the charity code of ethics, I would be grateful if you would share that information.) As such, I cannot take the following seriously.

Has anyone ever read an audited financial statement from Child Watch?

Any more silly questions? Are you implying they made the story up from nothing?

They even gave the location of the shops, btw.

I gravitate to commonsense views espoused by several other contributors such as;

someone wants to promote childwatch, the rest is probably fiction. Apart from the names of the people.

What a load of rubbish. All this report really says is "Some internet cafes have Camfrog installed on their computers. Please send our NGO more money for further research kthxbye."

The above 2 comments actually reassure me that not everyone is gullible and some have a rational thought process.

[astral]

Groups that make allegations and claims without providing corroborating documentation and which do not distribute audited financial statements cause me to question motives.

That is my concern too.

Self aggrandizement comes to mind.

Just look back to Senator Joseph McCarthy and his "Reds under the bed" campaign

back in the middle of the last century.

[Plus]

The possibility of someone trying to make an extra buck doesn't mean the original story is a hoax.

[animatic]

The possibility of someone trying to make an extra buck doesn't mean the original story is a hoax.

No not a hoax necessarily, but of indeterminate veracity and origin possibly.

What may be an instance of 4-5 times in Bangkok could be egrandized by some as a scare tactic.

There are certainly well meaning zealots out there who want to stop something real and bad,

but are willing to make something else peripheral look worse than it is, to gain more funds/power,

to fight the original cause.

One person with an agenda quoting selectively from another legitimate source

can have the same effect, it changes the dialog to something different.

[Plus]

4-5 times or 4-5 shops?

I doubt anything would be done either way. It's just a story to grap everyone's attention. Hopefully the shop owners will ask their patrons to behave, that would be the end of it.

[PeaceBlondie]

Let us break down the main words in the titilating lead sentence of the rambling article" "Internet cafes and computergame shops..... allow chatters to openly show off their genitals through webcams..."

The sentence is not even a proper English sentence. No, not in the shops, I would bet. But online, there are chat rooms where you can view what other chatters are broadcasting from their computers and webcams at home. Exposing yourself to the camera in a public place would require exposure that Thais just do not do. Sometimes in a gay sauna or a men's room, in a toilet stall. But not in a game shop, not Thai teenagers. No.

[Plus]

PB, I once been to a shop that had fully enclosed cubicles, you can expose yourself there as much as you want no one would ever notice. There were no locks and no doors per se, just heavy curtains.

Wanna address? It is in the Ram area, albeit it was nearly ten years ago.

I once saw a shop that had pull down boxes that would cover your monitor from anyone else up to the keyboard level. Not for showing off dicks, but perfect for viewing porn. That shop is long gone, though.

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I guess the most common comment you get in these chat rooms is: "Wow, it looks just like a penis, only smaller".

[TAWP]

I'm a little bit curious how you found these places, since they are very much not the norm or common. =)

[Plus]

In those days most Internet cafes were charging 2-3 baht a minute, 5 baht in Sukhumwit area. Finding far away places for 100 an hour was a pastime. The "curtain" place was a recommendation from a gay guy, btw.

[Bangyai]

PB, I once been to a shop that had fully enclosed cubicles, you can expose yourself there as much as you want no one would ever notice. There were no locks and no doors per se, just heavy curtains.

Wanna address? It is in the Ram area, albeit it was nearly ten years ago.

I once saw a shop that had pull down boxes that would cover your monitor from anyone else up to the keyboard level. Not for showing off dicks, but perfect for viewing porn. That shop is long gone, though.

>>>>

I guess the most common comment you get in these chat rooms is: "Wow, it looks just like a penis, only smaller".

Hmmm......you seem to know just a little bit too much about these places for my money ! Still, it must be nice to have a topic come around that brings back happy memories. Watch out for that gay friend of yours though...I'm sure he means well but you don't want to succumb to peer pressure too readily...no telling where it will end .

As for the penis reference.....don't take it too much to heart eh

[PeaceBlondie]

I only recall one shop in Chiang Mai that had booths and they were only semi-private, before the days of webcams. I have friends who watch Thai superstuds on webcams on Thai websites, but in the privacy of their homes. Knowing how shy almost all Thais are about nudity, I question the news report very much.

[permanent_disorder]

What may be an instance of 4-5 times in Bangkok could be egrandized by some as a scare tactic.

There are certainly well meaning zealots out there who want to stop something real and bad,

but are willing to make something else peripheral look worse than it is, to gain more funds/power,

to fight the original cause.

One person with an agenda quoting selectively from another legitimate source

can have the same effect, it changes the dialog to something different.

just have a look who jumps on that topic and if they have an agenda

news from the PAD cult mouthpiece TOC

Pipob Proposes Early Childhood Development to Enhance Moral Values

TOC

People's Alliance for Democracy leader Pipob Thongchai calls for a state-sponsored early childhood development program to help instill morals and ethics in children who are younger than three years old.

Pipob Thongchai says he believes an official program is needed to develop the basic moral values and ethics in young children. As part of the PAD’s proposal for new politics, Pipob believes education plays a key role in producing moral and honest adults.

Pipob cited a survey conducted by Child Watch on Thai children nationwide. The survey indicated that Thai children are unmotivated to learn due to a blatant lack of connection between students and teachers. Pipob explained that Thai kids are distracted by other media including computer and console games, mobile phones and the Internet. He also blamed the children’s lack of interest in learning on outdated curriculums.

Pipob reiterated his belief that education has a significant bearing on how a child would develop into an adult. He said corrupt politicians have not been coached on proper moral values and ethics when there were young.

Under the concept of new politics, the PAD leader believes parents must spend as much time as possible with their offspring during the first three years of their development. He asserted that better childcare can help solve the problem of chronic corruption in the country.

The PAD leader also spoke briefly about ASTV's mobile news service. He commented on the seemingly expensive fee of 200 baht per month charged by the mobile news service. Pipob explained that potential subscribers must think of the 200 baht fee, not only as a monthly payment for a mobile news service but as a monthly payment for 24 hours news on ASTV as well.

omg, PAD is 100% a Cult and want run a big human experiment called "new society".

can anyone imagine how such a state run program to install morals and ethics in children who are younger than three years old. will looks like?

The Horror.

the last paragraph is funny. after blaming "other media" like internet and mobile phones for distracting thai kids, he try to sell a mobile phone service and recommend to watch 24 SA-TV