Short Ee

[Radius]

In the Thai alphabeth is there a short "e" sound, like in: 'Visa' and 'Jury'?

[5tash]

In the Thai alphabeth is there a short "e" sound, like in: 'Visa' and 'Jury'?

Yes, but it's a lot shorter than the word examples you gave. The "e" in 'visa' and 'jury' are considered long vowels. It's more like the "e" in 'mistake'.

This vowel sound only occurs in Thai when a syllable has no final consonant.

[Radius]

In the Thai alphabeth is there a short "e" sound, like in: 'Visa' and 'Jury'?

Yes, but it's a lot shorter than the word examples you gave. The "e" in 'visa' and 'jury' are considered long vowels. It's more like the "e" in 'mistake'.

This vowel sound only occurs in Thai when a syllable has no final consonant.

Like the "e" in mistake?

Don't you mean the "i"?

If so, that is precisely NOT the sound I am looking for. I am really looking for the "e" sound in 'Visa' and 'jury'.

So not an 'i' like in 'Spit' and not the 'ee' like in speed. But like the 'i" in Visa and the 'Y' in 'jury'.

[Groongthep]

In the Thai alphabeth is there a short "e" sound, like in: 'Visa' and 'Jury'?

Yes, but it's a lot shorter than the word examples you gave. The "e" in 'visa' and 'jury' are considered long vowels. It's more like the "e" in 'mistake'.

This vowel sound only occurs in Thai when a syllable has no final consonant.

Like the "e" in mistake?

Don't you mean the "i"?

If so, that is precisely NOT the sound I am looking for. I am really looking for the "e" sound in 'Visa' and 'jury'.

So not an 'i' like in 'Spit' and not the 'ee' like in speed. But like the 'i" in Visa and the 'Y' in 'jury'.

People pronounce English words differently depending on where they are from. I pronounce the "e" sound in visa and jury as a long "e". In Thai this would most closely be rendered by -อี as in ดี the Thai word for good. The closest example to a short "e" sound that I can think of right off hand would be -อิ as in กิน the informal Thai word for eat. As 5tash has said this short "e" is very short almost more similar to "i" as in the English word hit.

Edited September 25, 2008 by Groongthep

[5tash]

I think it depends on the accent of the speaker. With my accent, I pronounce "mistake" me-stake.

The Thai short vowel "อิ", makes approximately the same sound as "e" in "visa" when it isn't followed by a final consonant.

In a syllable with a final consonant, "อิ" makes approximately the same sound as "i" in "spit".

[5tash]

The closest example to a short "e" sound that I can think of right off hand would be -อิ as in กิน the informal Thai word for eat.

The vowel sound in "กิน" is more like the "i" in "hit".

The vowel sound in "ผลิ" is like the "i" sound (not length) in "visa". I think this is the vowel sound Radius had in mind.

[Radius]

The problem is this:

The word 'Body' is a good example. If spoken in English with a Thai accent the emphasis comes on the last part of the word:

Bò Dee

Long "ee" sound, while it is supposed to be short and with the emphasis on the first part.

"ผลิ" it is then?

Edited September 25, 2008 by Radius

[Radius]

ooooooooooohhhh,

Some further study revealed something to me.

I Wanted to look into writing Thai because it was suggested here it would help me a lot understanding the Thai language better

I just found out that my "e" sound is actually always a combined sign. I didn't understand how this worked in Thai writing. But as I understand it now, it seems vowels are added signs to Consonants.

All I need to do is add -ิ to a consonant and I get the sound I need, lol.

Please tell me if I am right: Adding this 'semi circle' above a consonant adds the sound I am looking for to that consonant.

This is a totally unexpected and different way of writing. Very interesting. I was just trying to write my name as a first thing to write.

Edited September 26, 2008 by Radius

[dotcom]

Veezuh

Yep long e sound.

Bod-ee same same.

notice the short e on same?

LOL.