Chiang Mai Tops For Human Security, Bangkok And Phuket Worst

[tilac2]

Quiet please - Please don't pass this information on......we've been trying to keep Chiang Mai a secret for a long time now! We keep putting out false rumours of pollution & smoke, to help keep people away & so far, it seems to be working well! This sort of information doesn't help us one little bit! Call us selfish if you will.......

I'm with Mr Iang on this. I live in Chiang Mai, and life here is terrible (giggle). The pollution (smirk), the ladyboy robbers (giggle); the high prices (laugh, laugh). I will of course be moving back to Pattaya at the first opportunity, things are so bad here (uncontrollable laughter). Spread this information around: Chiang Mai is a living hel_l, so don't come here, Mr Farang!

[slapout]

This survey was taken when our (CM) transit holligans were out of town on visa runs, working, visiting those southern dens of sin, or just holed up recovering from from their last piss up. You know who you are.....We can compete with the others but give us a chance to all get together. Just wait until the first part of November at Tuskers, we will get our second wind.

[Jimjim]

BANGKOK: -- Human security is worst in Bangkok, while Chiang Mai is the most liveable province, according to a 2007 government survey.

And so on ...............................Complete CAK! Even the briefest of searches through other areas on this forum relating to murders of both Farang and Thai alike, reveal that a Chaing Mai and the surrounding area has had more than it's share of Murders, Robberies, etc, etc than anywhere else in Thailand, at least for the past year or so.

Right, and that would be a scientific survey, correct? Get real, you're just talking about your own impressions which don't really count as much as the scientific study/survey completed which initiated the story.

[innovator]

I guess they forgot to inlcude Pattaya in the survey. They mentioned Chonburi, but probably left out the prestine beaches in Pattaya in the calculations. There is no Human Security in Pattaya, so it would definately be ranked as the worst human security in Asia, not only in Thailand.

[Carib]

There are statistics..and other lies.

Nuff said

[petesydneyaustralia]

well last year i planned to go to chaing mai but there was a problem in Burma,

I was by myself so i thought it might be dangerous.

i loved Bangkok ... people were cool, had a taxi driver call me at 12 am every night

asking for money that was a little daunting.

i decided to go to phuket fantastic place ! very safe there,

i did notice a new muslim temple being built there, not sure if this will cause conflict

in the future??

as further south in thailand there are bombs

going off daily in the muslim areas, dont recommend to travel any further south...

im not anti religion anything I have friends that are muslim, christian & im agnositic,

just concerned for Thailands future safety in general.

[unforgiven]

anybody know how these figures compare with other places, such as Bogota, Gutatemala City etc?

Nobody will ever know because it is a farcical exercise that no other country would pursue, particularly with indicators such as teacher-student ratio, election turnout and telephone and Internet access, which have no effect on HUMAN SECURITY.

Whoever posted this item should be hit in the windpipe twice.

a stAT is only as good as its perameters and tool function and this stat exists solely for political reasons,its usless

[chiang mai]

Quiet please - Please don't pass this information on......we've been trying to keep Chiang Mai a secret for a long time now! We keep putting out false rumours of pollution & smoke, to help keep people away & so far, it seems to be working well! This sort of information doesn't help us one little bit! Call us selfish if you will.......

Where there's smoke there's fire.

[teacherofwoe]

Chiang Mai tops for human security, Bangkok and Phuket worst

Suwinai said the human-security score was calculated using comprehensive criteria, including the ratios of hospital beds/doctors to the population, student/teacher ratio, household income, employment rate, crime rate, divorce rate, population density, telephone and Internet access, and election turnout.

Good ratios my eye...

Plenty of doctors in CM but very few good ones. I recently broke my collar bone and had to wait over 24 hours for the specialist to come from another hospital.

50 students to one teacher.

CM has the lowest salaries for foreign teachers.

There's always a dozen applicants for every job.

Crime rate may seem good to a farang but ask a Thai and you'll hear some real horror stories.

I live in CM's outskirts and we waited two years to get a telephone line. We had to buy someone's number. Internet took a further six months.

Election turn outs are good because of all the vote buying. My mother in law made B200 at the last election.

CM has plenty of things going for it but like any city it has it's problems and faults.

[jackr]

Quiet please - Please don't pass this information on......we've been trying to keep Chiang Mai a secret for a long time now! We keep putting out false rumours of pollution & smoke, to help keep people away & so far, it seems to be working well! This sort of information doesn't help us one little bit! Call us selfish if you will.......

I live in Phuket and can think of a lot worse place to be especially in the UK.

I can't.

[wenshidi]

IF CM is 87%, then I'll bet Chiang Sen must be up in the high nineties. Still whatever happened to Hua Hin. With the king in residence, I thought that place would have scored very highly?

[NinjaGladiator]

Most of the items analysed hardly count as security problems, more like human comforts, either this got lost in transalation, or it is yet another long-winded load of B0II0X. Chiang Mai talks about air quality, now that could be classed as a security factor, security=safe from harm. On another note, when has it ever been necessary to say "67 percent out of a possible 100" hasn't the % symbol always meant "out of 100" - I feel like I'm surrounded by uneducated 12 yr olds sometimes

[mrsouza]

I've been living in Phuket for almost 14 years. Its the most wonderful place on earth. Beautiful and honest people. No corruption as far as you can see. Caring drivers and an excellent expat community.

However, since I feel too good living here and I don't really deserve all that Phuket has to offer, I will be moving to Chiang Mai by the end of the year.

If someone from Phuket follow suit, I will be pouring oil on the tarmac as I drive up there.

[chiang mai]

Most of the items analysed hardly count as security problems, more like human comforts, either this got lost in transalation, or it is yet another long-winded load of B0II0X. Chiang Mai talks about air quality, now that could be classed as a security factor, security=safe from harm. On another note, when has it ever been necessary to say "67 percent out of a possible 100" hasn't the % symbol always meant "out of 100" - I feel like I'm surrounded by uneducated 12 yr olds sometimes

Is your written Thai as good as the writers written English (given that the author is Thai).

[skooldaze]

anybody know how these figures compare with other places, such as Bogota, Gutatemala City etc?

Nobody will ever know because it is a farcical exercise that no other country would pursue, particularly with indicators such as teacher-student ratio, election turnout and telephone and Internet access, which have no effect on HUMAN SECURITY.

Whoever posted this item should be hit in the windpipe twice.

You are out of touch, I'm afraid. Studies of the same kind are very commonly seen in USA and Canadian newspapers, magazines and even real estate demographic studies, often using the same criteria that the Thai Government report relies upon. It's common to see article which list the top ten cities in magazines like Forbes, Conde Nast, etc.

lI think that the term "human security" is just a poor use of English that should have been expressed differently. What the survey intends to express has to do with the most comfortable places to live in terms of safety, schooling, medical care and the general "creature comforts" which we all seek to have more enjoyable lives. There's a broad grouping of factors which make up the foundations of good living, but there's also that "different strokes for different folks" part of the equation to deal with.

Sometimes what you want may be anathema to the wants of others.

I know such studies are done elsewhere, but they're not called "HUMAN SECURITY." Perhaps it's just bad translation, which is a common problem here.

I can buy a "comfortable living index" that includes safety, schooling and all the things you mentioned. I guess my problem is the name Human Security Index.

[Plus]

Following the usual News Clippings political splits, I noticed that the provinces with most whining about being shitholes neglected by Bangkok elites actually occupy all the top spots in this living index, and also a reverse correlation between average income and quality of life.

[PhilHarries]

I know they mentioned chonburi however it would be interesting to see how Pattaya would fare!

It was a provincial "survey", Pattaya is in chonburi province.

As internet access and telephones were amongst the criteria Pattaya probably fared quite well. Would have done a ways better if they included beer bars.

But to include telephones beggars belief. What percentage of the population depends on landlines?

I live in Phuket and can think of a lot worse place to be especially in the UK.

The "survey" was about Thailand. I can think of a lot worse places to be in Iraq which has about the same relevance.

I love these "surveys", "polls" whatever you want to call them especially the responses on ThaiVisa. How much different this thread would have been if it had been cities and Pattaya came out worse. The bashers would have had a field day and the results would be lauded as solid sociological evidence of the depravity of the city. As it is Bankok and Phuket are worst so the results just have to be a heap of <deleted>.

[Crushdepth]

what exactly is unsafe about bkk?

The traffic, and anything that requires maintenance or respect for regulations for safe operation.

[meelousee]

I wanted to see that the misunderstanding gets misunderstood understand?

Security not safety

Example: You can be secure in the fact that if you go out at 4am on Sukhumvitt to the noodle stands you can get drunk and robbed. hummm that didnt pan out

Ok, You can be secure in the fact that if you walk on the beach at 4am in Phuket you can get robbed, drowned and a crusty barnacle laden Sangsom bottle tucked under your arm and decaled dead by drowning hummm that didnt pan out either!

Ok you can be secure in the fact that if you read and understand the statistics they printed your head will explode

Hummm was I finished thinking ?

[MrPot]

Zo wheres pattaya in all this? that has to be the worse? Just ask those scumbags over at teak door. com

Edited October 1, 2008 by MrPot

[jayjayjayjay]

Give me a break. More useless statistics brought to you by the inane and incompetent statisticians at the Thai government. The mere name of the index "human security" is a misnomer. And Bangkok is doomed if one of the main factors is population density. Human security denotes safety and I doubt that your life is that much safer in Chiang Mai rather than Bangkok. This is more foolhardiness and waste of time.

I beg to differ, Chiangmai does not have Green buses. This accounts for 65.4322549% of omnipresent danger in Krungthepmahanakonnenamagal....

Bangkok is Dangerous: ask Nickolas Cage.......... a dangerous career move maybe

Edited October 1, 2008 by jayjayjayjay

[astral]

A quick Google produced some links to show what this is all about.

http://www.humansecuritybrief.info/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Security_Report_Project

http://worldreport.cjly.net/2008/06/human-...2007-human.html

[Aswin]

try Rio or Sao Paulo (Brazil). Better yet Washington, D.C. Murder capital of the free world.

[Seneque]

Suwinai said the human-security score was calculated using comprehensive? criteria, including the ratios of hospital beds/doctors to the population, student/teacher ratio, household income, employment rate, crime rate, divorce rate, population density, telephone and Internet access, and election turnout.

How 'human' security is related to these factors is something i would like to understand ... apart from crime rate and population density .. i dont see how the others are determinant ...

Is someone trying to sell Chiangmai with the hopefully finger crossing high season coming soon ....

[markokang]

what exactly is unsafe about bkk?

LOL... you really need to come out with me for a night!

15 MURDERS a day on average(Mostly in BKK), probably alot more since the police are so incompetent and corrupt that not all murders are shown to be murders. (missing persons, supposed accidents, etc) I think a safer bet is around 20+

1 in 3M per day compared with the US 1 in 6.7M.

On top of that violence has been escalating for months, possibly due to the economy...

You would be amazed at the amount of weapons people carry at all times, especially in vehicles. I would estimate 60%+++ of vehicles have a gun (legal or illegal), large knife, or other weapon in them.

Most farang are insulated from all of this but its easy to get caught up in it....

I recommend walking away from any fight with a Thai (You will come off worst no matter how the fight ends)

If you are forced into a confrontation: Hit and Run!!!!

Accidents: Thats a whole other story!.....

[shiatsuman]

No town buses and all the fumes from the 2 stroke motor bikes is the problem for Chiang Mai.

Air pollution seems worse than Bangkok,

.... just keeping up the black propaganda

[Hoppy1]

Songklha is a great place, small town, great people. I have been there nearly a year, other than an occasional M80 in a trash can I have seen only good times. But I didn't see us on the chart of a good place. That is probably because we have to many schools, several exclusive hospitals, and no one getting paid to vote.

Now of course the Prime Minister is from the Chiang Mai, and there are a lot of PPP up there. No it couldn't be political.

Going to the Beach!

[Zpete]

Suwinai said the human-security score was calculated using comprehensive criteria, including the ratios of hospital beds/doctors to the population, student/teacher ratio, household income, employment rate, crime rate, divorce rate, population density, telephone and Internet access, and election turnout.

"The report identifies the strengths and weaknesses of each province," he said. "The information will be useful in improving the human-security situation".

HTF, does all that relate to security.........<deleted>.

More useless Thai beaurocrats trying to justify their positions.

Geeeeeeeeeeez..... pak-a-crap

[Gravelrash]

People choose different areas to suit their lifestyles, Bangkok for work, Pattaya for the temples etc. Just spent a couple of days in Bangkok, no problems whatsoever but couldn't live there, good to be back in quiet old Chiang Mai again.

Pattaya I can last about a week before it is too much, but everyone likes different things, personally I have visited enough "temples".

[Tonyzill]

Almost certainly if the survey was on cities alone Pattaya would come out worst even more than bangkok.

Although I live there and feel safe that is because I only go to certain areas and at certain times of the day and night.

The reality though is very different. Unlike most other places in Thailand Pattaya is Bars and girls thousands of both which then brings thousands of out of work Thai men who live of the girls which isnt to bad when things are good but when Tourism is 80% down as the Thai government have finally admitted then things get desperate. No way anyone is going to say anything about Pattaya when things are so bad as it will put the remaining 20% off.

Even the Baht bus drivers of which there are way to many are getting more and more aggressive not only to the falangs but to each other as life becomes eat or be eaten!!!!!!!!!!!!!