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I am a British Citizen (30+), engaged to a Thai citizen ( 30++)who have a work permit to work in the UK. However he plan to change his job,thus I presume the work permit will expired. I am in the UK and he recently gone home to Bangkok. We plan to get married soon but undecided if it is easier to do it here in UK, thus for him to apply to come in as my fiance or does anyone know if it is easier as my husband. I am planning to go back to Bangkok during Christmas but unsure if his visa can be obtained within 2 weeks.

Have anyone got experience regarding this?

Other questions:-

1. Is it worthwhile to use an agency that specialise in this? I have seen various advertisements on this website. Any recommendation against or for using the agency?

2. Anyone with experience marrying abroad, is this advisable or is it best in the UK?

3. Arrangement for translation from one language to another for marriage documentation. We both speak good English and Thai thus writing an application for visa is not a problem nor translation of the document. Does anyone know where do you get the translation legalised in Bangkok? Or do you have to have an official translation from an official body?

4. How do you go about legalising a marriage? Do you have to get permission at the British embassy in Bangkok prior to registering the marriage?

5. Any particular regulations you have to abide by for the Thai registration for marriage?

Hope someone with experience can help. Many thanks

Posted (edited)

You posted on the wrong forum for the visa questions. A mod will probaly move your post over to the correct one soon.

For the marriage portion I can help a little. Yes documents will need to be translated and then certified by the Ministry of Forign affairs here. That wil be easy since most translation companies can do the entire job for you.

For a marriage here it will registered at the the district office (Amphor) where your fiance's home of record is. I am sure he is aware of where to go for this.

The following is a link to the UK embassy website that will tell you what you need to do there.

http://ukinthailand.fco.gov.uk/en/help-for...gister-marriage

You can also find some visa information on this website also.

As I said I can't be of much help with the visa questtions. But I can tell you that since your fiance has already been to the UK and returned will be a big help in the process.

Good Luck

Joe

Edited by ubonjoe
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1. Is it worthwhile to use an agency that specialise in this? I have seen various advertisements on this website. Any recommendation against or for using the agency?

2. Anyone with experience marrying abroad, is this advisable or is it best in the UK?

3. Arrangement for translation from one language to another for marriage documentation. We both speak good English and Thai thus writing an application for visa is not a problem nor translation of the document. Does anyone know where do you get the translation legalised in Bangkok? Or do you have to have an official translation from an official body?

4. How do you go about legalising a marriage? Do you have to get permission at the British embassy in Bangkok prior to registering the marriage?

5. Any particular regulations you have to abide by for the Thai registration for marriage?

It doesn't matter much wether you get married in Thailand or the UK. Could be diffrent if you have considerable assets. Under Thai law you can make a prenuptial agreement, which you have to submit at the amphur when you register your marriage.

As a foreigner to get married in Thailand you have to go to your embassy to get a statement that you are allowed to get married. (That you are not married already). Every embassy has it's own forms and requirements for this, so just check the website of the British embassies to see wich documents they require to give you the statement.

Once you have the statement you need it to get translated by a translation service, you are not allowed to translate it yourself. The translation servise will translate it and put a stamp on it showing who has translated it. (The translation should take about 10 minutes).

The original and the translation you take to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, consular section in Bangkok. They will legalise the document, which takes about 4 hours.

The legalised documents you take to the amphur, where you can have the marriage registered. You can do this at any amphur, it is not needed to go it at the amphur where your husband is registered in his tabien baan. This takes about 10 minutes and you are married. The marriage is recognized by the UK government.

Posted
I am a British Citizen (30+), engaged to a Thai citizen ( 30++)who have a work permit to work in the UK. However he plan to change his job,thus I presume the work permit will expired. I am in the UK and he recently gone home to Bangkok. We plan to get married soon but undecided if it is easier to do it here in UK, thus for him to apply to come in as my fiance or does anyone know if it is easier as my husband. I am planning to go back to Bangkok during Christmas but unsure if his visa can be obtained within 2 weeks.

Have anyone got experience regarding this?

Other questions:-

1. Is it worthwhile to use an agency that specialise in this? I have seen various advertisements on this website. Any recommendation against or for using the agency?

2. Anyone with experience marrying abroad, is this advisable or is it best in the UK?

3. Arrangement for translation from one language to another for marriage documentation. We both speak good English and Thai thus writing an application for visa is not a problem nor translation of the document. Does anyone know where do you get the translation legalised in Bangkok? Or do you have to have an official translation from an official body?

4. How do you go about legalising a marriage? Do you have to get permission at the British embassy in Bangkok prior to registering the marriage?

5. Any particular regulations you have to abide by for the Thai registration for marriage?

Hope someone with experience can help. Many thanks

Just a note to caution you that if you decide to go down the fiance visa route, your fiance would be unable to work until after you had got married and received your FLR in the UK, which could mean several months depending on how quickly you got married.

Posted

I married a thai national (man) in thailand in 2003.

Procedure was as follows;

Went to british embassy early morning after filling in & printing the "Affirmation of freedom to marry" form on their website, paid fee.

24hr later collected affirmation which had been stamped by Brit Embassy

Walked to the first translation office at the top of wireless road & had affirmation translated into thai (took about 1hr) cost about 200baht.

Taxi to MFA & handed both versions of affirmation to be authtorised by thai governement (cost approx 150baht if memory is right, possibly costs more now?).

Collected all documents 4 days later.

Several weeks later we went to the Samui Amphur (not amphur future husband was registered at btw) & got legally married. Think it cost about 20baht for the paperwork/photocopies etc.

IMO no need for an agency to do this for you, it involves 1 early morning trip to embassy for opening time & a couple of boring taxi rides to the MFA.

We then applied for husbands settlement visa several months later, showing them all the relevant translations, wedding certs (which I also had translated) & our other SV paperwork; covering letter, proof of long relationship, photos etc & he had the visa in less than a week. (This was in 2003 though & things are slower now I hear) Moved to Uk March 2004 been here ever since. :o

So not too diffucult to marry in thailand & imo much quicker & cheaper than doing it in the UK (if the legal side is all you are after)

Posted

Thank you for those who responded. Your answers have been very helpful. Could you enlightened me to the following questions:-

1. I will only have 2 weeks holidays at Christmas, what are the working days at the British Embassy? Do they closed presumbly Christmas Day and Boxing Day or longer? Do they have less staff working as most people in UK takes this off till the New Year? Are the staff Thais or English?Are they as efficient like the UK or laid back?

2. Would I have enough time to do everything (getting affirmation document and marriage registration ) and getting the visa so both of us can come back on the same flight to UK within 2 weeks? ( How helpful are the staff at the Embassy to experdite the mattter if all the necessary documentation were presented?

3. What is the significance of depositing the marriage certificate at the General Registry Office (GRO) in the UK? Presumbly the Thai certificate will need to be translated into ENGLISH for it to be legal? IS that all I need for legality in the UK?

4. Can you register a marriage in Thailand and have another officially at a Registrar office in the UK?

5. Is it wise to get an air ticket for him to travel before the visa application or should we wait for the approval? Seats are going fast for a return journey to the UK in early January, thus the question.

Posted

1) Embassy opening dates will be posted on the website.

A UK eco will make the final decision but it is usually thai staff behind the counter taking paperwork, payment etc.

2) 2 weeks will certainly be long enough to do the paperwork & get married but no way of saying he would get approval for his visa in that time & imo highly unlikely. IME embassy staff are very helpful but there is a waiting list that can only move so fast.

3) I have never deposited my married certificate with the GRO & have in the past 5 years never had a problem. I am married under UK law. Simple as that.

4) You would in effect be committing bigamy, even though you would be marrying the same person, you have already legally registered your marriage in Thailand & it is a marriage recognized under UK law.

5) IMO no, you have no way of guaranteeing his visa application being finished by them. But up to you.

I do believe that he can apply for the residency visa before you are married under the understanding that you will be married by the time he plans to go to the UK but check that as I read of it here but am not 100% sure.

Posted (edited)

You may marry in Thailand and apply for a 2 year settlement visa. Your other option is to apply for a fiance visa which gives you a 6 month window to marry this is more expensive as once you marry in the UK you must apply again for settlement, which is another fee.

1. I will only have 2 weeks holidays at Christmas, what are the working days at the British Embassy? Do they closed presumbly Christmas Day and Boxing Day or longer? Do they have less staff working as most people in UK takes this off till the New Year? Are the staff Thais or English?Are they as efficient like the UK or laid back?

Efficient

2. Would I have enough time to do everything (getting affirmation document and marriage registration ) and getting the visa so both of us can come back on the same flight to UK within 2 weeks? ( How helpful are the staff at the Embassy to experdite the mattter if all the necessary documentation were presented?

Takes 2 days generally and that includes submitting the application, we supply a free marriage pack if requested a lot of our clients use it. You basically make an affirmation which you collect next day, whilst waiting go for a chest x ray. You then collect the affirmation and translate it into Thai, your next stop is the ministry of foreign affairs who stamp it etc. You the enter an ampur marry and submit the application this can be done in 2 days.

3. What is the significance of depositing the marriage certificate at the General Registry Office (GRO) in the UK? Presumbly the Thai certificate will need to be translated into ENGLISH for it to be legal? IS that all I need for legality in the UK?

Its a legal already you can get it translated in Thailand.

4. Can you register a marriage in Thailand and have another officially at a Registrar office in the UK.

You are already married !

Edited by mariner29
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4. Can you register a marriage in Thailand and have another officially at a Registrar office in the UK?
4) You would in effect be committing bigamy, even though you would be marrying the same person, you have already legally registered your marriage in Thailand & it is a marriage recognized under UK law.
You can get married in the UK if you wish. It is certainly not bigamy.

A lot of people do this. Some so that they can have a ceremony at home with their family (including me). Otherwise just as a feel good thing, so just in case you need to show your marriage certificate some time in furture and not have to worry about somebody scratching their head and wondering if its legal or not.

As far as translating marriage certificate it would be a good idea anyway. Also for any of your translations if you don't want to deal with going to the MFA most translation companies can do that for a small fee (it might even be cheaper than taxi fares). Most will even send them to you overnight by EMS (cost plus of course) to you so you don't have to hang around Bangkok waiting if you don't want to.

Posted

I would check with your local registry office about ubonjoes advice Ruth as this is against advice given by a solicitor on another thailand-uk website so best to check for yourself.

But basicallyas was explained by solicitor & on the CAB website section on Bigamy you will be legally married in Thailand so when the UK registrar asks you if you are free to marry (as in never been married, divorced, widowed or had an anulment) you would have to lie to get them to marry you again as you are already legally married & that marriage is still valid. So def check it with your own solicitor to be 100% sure.

Having a blessing ceremony is another story & you can have that in both countries as it is not a legal registration of marriage.

Posted

Thank you to all the answers.

Thai Visa Express mentioned: Chest X-ray; He has been to the UK before and is registered under the NHS here, is this still necessary for the visa? I am concern more on the unnecessary radiation dose to the body. If x-ray is needed , do they have a nominated hospital to go to??

With translation services, Boo mentioned they can be found on Wireless Road, are they found elsewhere? for eg near the Ministry of Foreign Affairs? As I gather the marriage certificate from the Amphur would need to be translated back and legalised by MFA before submission to the British Embassy. Can anyone tell me how far is Wireless Road from MFA? ( in km and time in a taxi +traffic please)

Posted
Thank you to all the answers.

Thai Visa Express mentioned: Chest X-ray; He has been to the UK before and is registered under the NHS here, is this still necessary for the visa? I am concern more on the unnecessary radiation dose to the body. If x-ray is needed , do they have a nominated hospital to go to??

Yes they use a recognised hospital you must include a tb free certificate with the application.

With translation services, Boo mentioned they can be found on Wireless Road, are they found elsewhere? for eg near the Ministry of Foreign Affairs? As I gather the marriage certificate from the Amphur would need to be translated back and legalised by MFA before submission to the British Embassy. Can anyone tell me how far is Wireless Road from MFA? ( in km and time in a taxi +traffic please)

Translation services can be found on most streets around embassy district, you will be legally married if it was not legal then the embassy would not issue a visa.

Good luck

Posted
Can anyone tell me how far is Wireless Road from MFA? ( in km and time in a taxi +traffic please)

Changwattane road is quite far, in the directon of good old Don Muang airport. Best option is to take the BTS to Chatuchak (end of the line, stop is called Mo Chit). There you take a taxi to consular affairs department. Taxi should cost about 100 baht and the total travel time from Wireless Road will be less than 1 hour.

Posted
You can get married in the UK if you wish.
Not if you have already married in Thailand.

A legal marriage in Thailand is recognised as such in the UK, so you cannot marry again in the UK. Reme,ber, though, that it is the Ampur registration that is the legal marriage, not the ceremonial wedding.

However, you can have a ceremony at a UK register office to confirm your vows. This is not a legal marriage, you will not sign the register and no certificate will be issued.

RUTH888 asked

Thai Visa Express mentioned: Chest X-ray; He has been to the UK before and is registered under the NHS here, is this still necessary for the visa? I am concern more on the unnecessary radiation dose to the body. If x-ray is needed , do they have a nominated hospital to go to??
As he is applying for entry for more than 6 months then a TB test is mandatory.

This must be done at the clinic run by International Organisation for Migration (IOM) staff at:

Kasemkij Building

8th Floor, 120 Silom Road

Bangrak, Bangkok 10500

Tel: +66 2 234 7950-5

Fax: + 66 2 234 7956

Email: [email protected]

Attendance is by appointment only and the full test fee of 2600 Baht must be paid in advance. (source)

However, the recent High Court ruling in the UK resulting from the Highly Skilled Forum Judicial Review affects certain people who formerly had leave in the UK under the Highly Skilled Migrant Programme (HSMP). You may be covered by this ruling if you joined HSMP under the arrangements which were in place until the scheme was suspended on 7 November 2006 and you either:

a) applied for and were refused further leave to remain under the new extension rules which came into force on 5 December 2006, and subsequently left the UK, or

:o left the UK after 7 November 2006 without ever applying for further leave to remain under the new rules. (source)

Posted

Thanks for the tip to get to MFA.

Can I just double check that the marriage certificate need to be translated back from Thai to English? Is there anything special when using these translators? Persumbly they are not official translator attach to any particular organisation? ie if my other half is fluent in Thai /English, can we do the translation ourselves?

Would this translated document need to be verified again by MFA? Does anyone know if a translator services are available near MFA?

Posted
1. Is it worthwhile to use an agency that specialise in this? I have seen various advertisements on this website. Any recommendation against or for using the agency?

If you want an easy process and feel you need help, yes it can be worthwhile, but ensure you use an OISC registered body if you do, in my humble opinion that would be DaviesKhan.

As for companies not to use, you need to be more specific and I will respond on an individual basis.

2. Anyone with experience marrying abroad, is this advisable or is it best in the UK?

I did both.

Or do you have to have an official translation from an official body?

If you get it translated, it needs a relevant stamp from an authorised body.

I only got married in Thailand with a ceremony for the family, I did not register at the Amphur. So this kept the family in Thailand happy.

I then got married officially in the UK at a registry office.

If you register it in Thailand and subsequently marry again in the UK, it is my understanding, however crass it seems, you are committing bigamy.

If you receive alternative advice, check it out carefully.

Good Luck

Moss

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Thanks for the tip to get to MFA.

Can I just double check that the marriage certificate need to be translated back from Thai to English? Is there anything special when using these translators? Persumbly they are not official translator attach to any particular organisation? ie if my other half is fluent in Thai /English, can we do the translation ourselves?

Would this translated document need to be verified again by MFA? Does anyone know if a translator services are available near MFA?

Sorry about my earlier post about getting married in the UK. It seems the UK has a different mindset about this but I still say it not bigamy.

For a translator I can personaly can suggest #5 on the following list.

http://bangkok.usembassy.gov/root/pdfs/tra...otographers.pdf

Again if you don't want to deal with going to the MFA you can pay the translator a small fee for them to take care of that part of the job. As I said it probably won't be much more than a taxi fare there and back 2 times or possibly less. Anyway why bother doing it yourself if you don't have to. Plus they can get it done faster because they have contacts at the MFA.

I am not sure that the MFA will accept a translation unless it has a stamp from an official taranslator.

Posted
Sorry about my earlier post about getting married in the UK. It seems the UK has a different mindset about this but I still say it not bigamy.

Different mindset to whom?

If a marriage is legal in the country where it took place, then it is legal in the UK. This has been the case since 1892!

Getting married when one is already married is illegal in the UK, even if it is to the same person. Whether it would be classed as bigamy or different offence is not worth arguing over.

Posted

I have been reading around the Forum which been extremely helpful.

I gather Spouse Visa is only our first step. What happen after 2 years?

What is the difference between "Further leave to remain" and "Indefinate leave"?

We travel abroad quite a lot. Does it mean, it is much more difficult now with a spouse visa to do so( time restriction out of the country)?

Do you still need to have visa to travel to various country as in Europe? ie having a UK visa does not exclude you as his passport is still Thai?

Does it change when you have an "indefinate leave to remain"?

At what point can he apply for naturalisation?

Posted

If he wishes to travel within Europe you would still need to apply for a Schengen visa. Do a search for more info on that

A residency visa is for 2 years, the home office site states how many days in those 2 years he would need to be present in the UK to qualify for ILR, after the 2 years he would apply for Indefinite leave to remain which requires him to either pass the life in the UK test or pass from one level to another of an English language course containing citizenship content, if his English is very good then the life in the UK test would probably be easiest & quickest. After one more year (providing he met the time in the UK criteria) he would be eligible to apply for British Citizenship.

Make sure you put all bills in joint names on arrival, get bank accounts for him etc as these things will be required when applying for ILR.

Further leave to remain is when you do not meet the requirements for ILR (such as not being able to meet language requirement) it is basically an extension of the residency visa.

Posted

If I may expand on the residency requirements a little.

There is no specific minimum or maximum period allowed outside the UK whilst waiting to be time qualified for ILR. There is a need to show that the UK is one's country of residence which may be difficult to do if one has spent more time out of it than in. However, it depends on the individual applicants circumstances and the reason for spending so much time out of the UK.

Citizenship is different; there is a specific residential qualification. Firstly the applicant must have been physically present in the UK on the exact day 5 years, 3 years if the spouse or civil partner of a British citizen, before submitting the application. Furthermore one must have spent no more than 450 days during the last 5 years, 270 days during the last 3 years if the spouse or civil partner of a British citizen, out of the UK with no more than 90 days during the final year.

As to the difference between FLR and ILR. Further Leave to Remain is time restricted, usually 2 years but may be shorter. People apply for it for many reasons, including that mentioned by Boo above. Indefinite Leave to Remain is not time restricted, it is indefinite.

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