Discrimination Being Married To A Thai Man

[janetplanet]

Hi Forum and lovely Koh Phangananers...,

I am experiencing this wierd discrimination being married to a Thai man and having a child. First example, going to do a Visa Run to Ranong to the Casino island accompanied by my husband and child. The Thai visa officer demands that my daughter pay the same 'fee' as me even though she is holding a Thai passport. Reason given: you are her mother and you aren't Thai. So I hand her over to my husband and they said 'ohhhh...her father is Thai??' oh brother... . Then 'we will give her special' she doesn't have to pay. F-off!! My daughter is Thai! Do they do this to Falang men with children with Thai women?? Second example: I have a job offer in Surat, as soon as they find out I'm married and have a child, the job offer is rejected. Oh great... .

What am I dealing with here?? Is this what I'm facing for the rest of my life if we stay in Thailand??

Thoughts??

[Twiggy44]

Hi Forum and lovely Koh Phangananers...,

I am experiencing this wierd discrimination being married to a Thai man and having a child. First example, going to do a Visa Run to Ranong to the Casino island accompanied by my husband and child. The Thai visa officer demands that my daughter pay the same 'fee' as me even though she is holding a Thai passport. Reason given: you are her mother and you aren't Thai. So I hand her over to my husband and they said 'ohhhh...her father is Thai??' oh brother... . Then 'we will give her special' she doesn't have to pay. F-off!! My daughter is Thai! Do they do this to Falang men with children with Thai women?? Second example: I have a job offer in Surat, as soon as they find out I'm married and have a child, the job offer is rejected. Oh great... .

What am I dealing with here?? Is this what I'm facing for the rest of my life if we stay in Thailand??

Thoughts??

Janet,you are not alone in this country having this kind of discrimination.What do you think is the most painful one.You are a Thai but Thai people do not acknowledge you as a Thai coz you can't speak the language fluently and can not even read and write in Thai..and your holding a Thai nat ID and Thai passport...Remember T.I.T. your right seems like only Thai lady who has a right to marry a farang..That's a big heck....Good Luck lady keep our patience strong and high...LOL

[JimmyTheMook]

Strange , it seems women who marry Thai men have the laws in the favor compared to Men to who marry Thai women.

[LaoPo]

Hi Forum and lovely Koh Phangananers...,

I am experiencing this wierd discrimination being married to a Thai man and having a child. First example, going to do a Visa Run to Ranong to the Casino island accompanied by my husband and child. The Thai visa officer demands that my daughter pay the same 'fee' as me even though she is holding a Thai passport. Reason given: you are her mother and you aren't Thai. So I hand her over to my husband and they said 'ohhhh...her father is Thai??' oh brother... . Then 'we will give her special' she doesn't have to pay. F-off!! My daughter is Thai! Do they do this to Falang men with children with Thai women?? Second example: I have a job offer in Surat, as soon as they find out I'm married and have a child, the job offer is rejected. Oh great... .

What am I dealing with here?? Is this what I'm facing for the rest of my life if we stay in Thailand??

Thoughts??

Hello Janet and welcome to Thaivisa !

Sorry, being a Farang male I can't help you but you might wish to post your question also on the Ladies Forum.

There are more Farang Ladies, married to a Thai husband and they might be able to assist and advise you...

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Ladies-Thailand-f15.html

LaoPo

[sbk]

Moving the thread to the Ladies forum

[sbk]

If you are legally married to your Thai husband I am at a loss as to why you do not go to Samui and get a one year extension on a non-immigrant O visa.

Once you have the non-immigrant O visa (easily obtained by showing your marriage certficate) then a trip to Samui for the one year extension is quite simple. Two photocopies of all pages in your passport with Thai stamps, as well as id page. Two photocopies of husband's tabien ban, id card and income tax receipt (he must pay income tax at the amphur). Plus two photocopies of your marriage certficate.

And, no, in twenty years of being married to a Thai man I can't say that I have encountered any special discrimination (beyond the usual against foreigners). In fact, life is generally easier than that of a western man with a Thai wife (from my personal observations) as the visa requirements are much easier. The fact that you were turned down for the job probably had far more to do with the fact that you have a small child and they want someone who will be able to devote more time to the job than someone with a child to take care of may be capable of doing.

[Lite Beer]

In fact, life is generally easier than that of a western man with a Thai wife (from my personal observations) as the visa requirements are much easier.

Yes. The discrimination usually works the other way. For Ladies it is much easier to get annual visa extensions and permanent residence than it is for us men.

[thaierless]

Moving the thread to the Ladies forum

THANK you!

[janetplanet]

In fact, life is generally easier than that of a western man with a Thai wife (from my personal observations) as the visa requirements are much easier.

Yes. The discrimination usually works the other way. For Ladies it is much easier to get annual visa extensions and permanent residence than it is for us men.

Thanks for moving me to the correct Forum. I'll reply to some of the comments here anyways. First thing is that I'm not in Thailand at the moment. I had no idea about a Non-Immigrant O Visa?? When I went to the Immigration office they issued me a Non-Imm. B Visa when I presented our marriage certificate. Then now,I'm in Canada for a visit and am going to the Thai Embassy before I head back and plan on working back in Thailand should I be getting a O Visa or a B Visa? The reason I started this thread is mainly due to the discrimination I have encountered surrounding my daughter. If Thai Citizens don't have to pay to cross into the border into Burma why was the Border official demanding that my daughter pay simply because her mother was a falang? My daughter has a Thai passport.

[Sakeopete]

^^ Simple they will find any excuse to get money out of foreigners.

[kenk3z]

Whenever my family goes any place in Thailand that has price discrimination, my Thai wife will be holding our half-Thai son. If she holds him, he's Thai. If I hold him, he's Farang. Seems to be the rule.

Should be more interesting a generation or two from now, as they will start to see 3/4 and 7/8 Farang-blooded people holding Thai citizenship papers.

[pothai]

Get used to it....trains, buses, restaurants, government parks & attractions....just about everything..... speak the language, read the language, makes no difference ....still gonna have to pay more when she is with you....

[janetplanet]

^^ Simple they will find any excuse to get money out of foreigners.

Maybe the situation is exacerbated here because our daughter looks 95% Falang and 5% something not sure...my Thai husband doesn't look very Thai either if that makes any sense. Sometimes people think he's Indian or South American so when we all go out together we kind of stop traffic... . I think I'll buy a t-shirt that says 'take a picture'.

Edited November 9, 2008 by janetplanet

[cushendall]

Get used to it....trains, buses, restaurants, government parks & attractions....just about everything..... speak the language, read the language, makes no difference ....still gonna have to pay more when she is with you....

Malaysia,offering 10 year visa to ferangs, bring your car in tax free, buy property and land, ive bought myself three bedrooms, with a nice garden for £45,000 in penang, title deed in my name, never happen in thailand.

Thais dont know what fair play is---- forget about trying to shame them, the words not in their dictionary.

Glad to see the uk booted thaksin out, i hear he was one of the architect of the thai visa system ( what goes around )

Im outa here.

[sbk]

In fact, life is generally easier than that of a western man with a Thai wife (from my personal observations) as the visa requirements are much easier.

Yes. The discrimination usually works the other way. For Ladies it is much easier to get annual visa extensions and permanent residence than it is for us men.

Thanks for moving me to the correct Forum. I'll reply to some of the comments here anyways. First thing is that I'm not in Thailand at the moment. I had no idea about a Non-Immigrant O Visa?? When I went to the Immigration office they issued me a Non-Imm. B Visa when I presented our marriage certificate. Then now,I'm in Canada for a visit and am going to the Thai Embassy before I head back and plan on working back in Thailand should I be getting a O Visa or a B Visa? The reason I started this thread is mainly due to the discrimination I have encountered surrounding my daughter. If Thai Citizens don't have to pay to cross into the border into Burma why was the Border official demanding that my daughter pay simply because her mother was a falang? My daughter has a Thai passport.

I have no idea why they gave you a non B--request a non-immigrant O visa based on marriage to a Thai national, show your marriage certificate to obtain. You can obtain a work permit on a non-O, so don't listen to any BS the Canadian embassy may feed you.

After you arrive in Thailand, wait until the 3 months are nearly up (no point in going before) and go to the Immigration office outside Nathon, with the above documentation and apply for a one year extension based on marriage to a Thai husband. Your husband must pay personal income tax at the amphur in order for you to obtain this extension. Also, he must go to Samui with you when you make your application as he is applying for you to stay in Thailand.

Was the Immigration officer aware that your daughter had a Thai passport? Did you show the passport first? I wouldn't read too much into the whole discrimination thing solely because you are a woman. More likely, its because you are a foreigner.

[janetplanet]

After you arrive in Thailand, wait until the 3 months are nearly up (no point in going before) and go to the Immigration office outside Nathon, with the above documentation and apply for a one year extension based on marriage to a Thai husband. Your husband must pay personal income tax at the amphur in order for you to obtain this extension. Also, he must go to Samui with you when you make your application as he is applying for you to stay in Thailand.

Was the Immigration officer aware that your daughter had a Thai passport? Did you show the passport first? I wouldn't read too much into the whole discrimination thing solely because you are a woman. More likely, its because you are a foreigner.

Sbk, you seem to know your stuff. If I am #1. Issued an O Visa in Canada, #2 Am issued a work permit in Thailand, #3 Do I still need to visit an Immigration office after 3 months (Samui or Suratthani or Phuket) to get an extension?

Yes, the officer new my daughter had a Thai passport it was right in her hand. She had seen me 100x's doing border runs, before pregnancy, during pregancy and then that day with baby. She was pregnant herself! It was so odd...she said 'ohhh her father is Thai???' as if she didn't know...I really wanted to strangle her..is it because our baby looks sooo falang? Was she jealous that our baby has dual citizenship?

[Swanky]

Ridiculous business this. You have a beautiful child. Learn to overcome these trivialties for that is al they are, and enjoy your family. Upsetting as these things are don't let them get to you.

Edited November 10, 2008 by Swanky

[Boo]

tbh sounds like you just got some idiot. I haven't experienced anything like that myself regarding my half thai son, in fact I find people bend over backwards to help me when they see my surname & that my child is thai. Something I naturally encourage (why not, I like not having to jump through hoops as much as anyone)

The only time I get this kind of thing is when I get dual priced for something, me hubby & son all wanted to go on the cable car in Pattaya, husband went to buy tickets & mine was gonna be several hundred baht more, husband explained we were spouses & that he (thai citizen) was paying for my ticket so they were double pricing a thai person but the girl was not moving. Result? We didn't go so they lost all fares, up to them. We weren't bothered either way.

[sbk]

Sbk, you seem to know your stuff. If I am #1. Issued an O Visa in Canada, #2 Am issued a work permit in Thailand, #3 Do I still need to visit an Immigration office after 3 months (Samui or Suratthani or Phuket) to get an extension?

Yes, you get the one year extension just when your visa is about to expire. Then, you will only need to make 90 day reports to your nearest Immigration (reporting your address) and will no longer have to leave the country. You will have to renew your visa every year, submitting the same documentation over and over and over again tho

Make sure your daughter enters Thailand on her Thai passport tho, will save you any hassle further on down the road (ie exit Canada with Canadian passport, enter Thailand with Thai passport).

[Tim207]

.is it because our baby looks sooo falang? Was she jealous that our baby has dual citizenship?

I think you are going to find the opposite more often. My daughter does not look Thai at all and she is constantly bombarded with positive attention. As a matter of fact, she doesn't even like to leave the village because people are always touching her and staring at her. We can't stand in a line anywhere without some woman touching her hair or fawning over her. It is so bad I even worry about this teaching her that she is better than everyone else.

If you are going to live in Thailand you are going to have to learn to deal with this kind of stuff constantly happening.

[janetplanet]

Yes, you get the one year extension just when your visa is about to expire. Then, you will only need to make 90 day reports to your nearest Immigration (reporting your address) and will no longer have to leave the country. You will have to renew your visa every year, submitting the same documentation over and over and over again tho

Make sure your daughter enters Thailand on her Thai passport tho, will save you any hassle further on down the road (ie exit Canada with Canadian passport, enter Thailand with Thai passport).

So even with the O visa and the work permit go and get an extension after 3 months? Thanks for your patience. I have mommy brain and a mute husband. Maybe my situation with the border trying to get money off me because of our daughter was just a miscommunication:) Did I mention my husband is a mute? A mute by choice. The other comment about luk krueng kids getting so much attention is interesting... . I definately don't want her to grow up thinking she is something better than other kids. Her uncle already told me that she isn't very beautiful because her skin is yellow and not white so we are on the road to modesty already....

Edited November 12, 2008 by sbk

[sbk]

Just the first time round. After the first extension on your non-o visa you only need to extend once a year. But you will still need to visit immigration every 90 days to report your address.

And welcome to the club. Mute and deaf seems to be a natural state of affairs

[maccaroni man]

If you are legally married to your Thai husband I am at a loss as to why you do not go to Samui and get a one year extension on a non-immigrant O visa. Once you have the non-immigrant O visa (easily obtained by showing your marriage certficate) then a trip to Samui for the one year extension is quite simple. Two photocopies of all pages in your passport with Thai stamps, as well as id page. Two photocopies of husband's tabien ban, id card and income tax receipt (he must pay income tax at the amphur). Plus two photocopies of your marriage certficate.

And, no, in twenty years of being married to a Thai man I can't say that I have encountered any special discrimination (beyond the usual against foreigners). In fact, life is generally easier than that of a western man with a Thai wife (from my personal observations) as the visa requirements are much easier. The fact that you were turned down for the job probably had far more to do with the fact that you have a small child and they want someone who will be able to devote more time to the job than someone with a child to take care of may be capable of doing.

As a woman will she need to show that her Thai husband is paying tax on 40k per month income?

[sbk]

No, the husband is making the request for his wife to have her visa extended. He must show he is paying income tax, not sure what the amount is tho.

[Boo]

I have removed a post attempting to incite hate as well as making false claims against women posters. Take your issues & attempts at shitstirring elsewhere, there's no place for them on thaivisa.

Any issues raise to admin - support (at) thaivisa.com

[SoiSource]

I have removed a post attempting to incite hate as well as making false claims against women posters. Take your issues & attempts at shitstirring elsewhere, there's no place for them on thaivisa.

Any issues raise to admin - support (at) thaivisa.com

Ok thats your opinion not mine, but no need to log me out and log in as me and search through my profile etc. i guess thats what u did do as i always get logged out after one of my posts get deleted, how rude u r rooting through my account.

[Boo]

You seem to be paranoid, I haven't rooted through your account & have no powers to log you out. Either paranoid or yet more lies to attempt to stir up trouble here. Whatever, it will not be tolerated.

As I posted already, got a problem then speak to admin.

[SoiSource]

tbh sounds like you just got some idiot. I haven't experienced anything like that myself regarding my half thai son, in fact I find people bend over backwards to help me when they see my surname & that my child is thai. Something I naturally encourage (why not, I like not having to jump through hoops as much as anyone)

The only time I get this kind of thing is when I get dual priced for something, me hubby & son all wanted to go on the cable car in Pattaya, husband went to buy tickets & mine was gonna be several hundred baht more, husband explained we were spouses & that he (thai citizen) was paying for my ticket so they were double pricing a thai person but the girl was not moving. Result? We didn't go so they lost all fares, up to them. We weren't bothered either way.

I bet your son was bothered.

[Boo]

Really, how inciteful that you would know a child you have never met & who was 10 months old at the time would be bothered!!! FYI he was happy playing in the pool.

[SoiSource]

Really, how inciteful that you would know a child you have never met & who was 10 months old at the time would be bothered!!! FYI he was happy playing in the pool.

LOL well maybe your kid wasnt but i have 2 very young ones myself and i know for sure at 10 months old my son would of loved it, nevermind scrimping and saving is more important in the long run eh..

Edited November 12, 2008 by SoiSource