4 Grenades Explode Near Thailand's Anti-government Tv Station

[h90]

why would the PAD give up and go home if this last push does not work? if it does not work I do not believe that they will give up and let the country be ruled by Taksin's mates. not after everything they have done and been through.

I fear they will get very violent if they do not get there own way.

you know what Thais get like when they lose face. well if they lose, that will be a huge loss of face.!!!

not only loosing face, loosing country.....

[Jai Dee]

People's Alliance for Democracy Announcement 24/2008

Announcement 24/2008

People’s Alliance for Democracy

on

Final Mass Rally to Oust Nominee Killer Government

On November 20, 2008 at 3.25 a.m., an unknown number of assailants launched an M-79 bomb grenade at the People’s Alliance for Democracy supporters who are gathering inside Government House. The grenade landed on top of one of the canvas tents situated near the front of the PAD stage which, at the time, was occupied by the PAD supporters. The grenade exploded and bomb shrapnel injured 23 PAD supporters with 2 serious injuries. One male PAD supporter, identified as Jenkij Kladsakhon, had died from the bomb attack. Jenkij’s death marks the 3rd fatality caused by the government’s killing of the public.

The People’s Alliance for Democracy extends its deepest condolence to the family and friends of Jenkij. Jenkij is a true hero and will always be remembered by the People’s Alliance for Democracy. In addition, the PAD sympathizes with and honors every one of its supporters who have been injured by the deadly bomb attack.

This morning’s tragedy was not the first time the lives of the PAD supporters were threatened by a deadly bombing by government officials and money-for-hire killers of the traitorous government. There have been a series of brutal bomb attacks against the supporters of the PAD, who are mostly women, the elderly and children.

In the morning of November 12, 2008, a grenade was launched at one of the tents which used by supporters of the PAD as shelters at Government House. PAD leader Chamlong Srimuang had then sent a formal request to the Army commander-in-chief and deputy director of the Internal Security Operations Command (ISOC), the Region 1 Army chief, the First Infantry Division (Royal Guard) commander, the National Police chief, the Metropolitan Police commissioner and the superintendent of Dusit Police Station to help prevent the use of weapons of war against the public. But the request failed to prompt any government agency into seriously trying to protect the PAD supporters against the weapons of war.

The series of bomb attacks against the PAD supporters were clearly masterminded by the government. Both former and current police officers have turned a blind eye on the killings of the innocent public.

The PAD believes, without the blessing of the police, the perpetrators would not have access to such weapons of war, which was used against the PAD supporters at Government House.

This is proof that the National Police chief, the Metropolitan Police chief and the Region 1 Metropolitan Police commander have conspired with the government to kill the public who have chosen to exercise their democratic rights to protect the Constitution, the monarchy, and the interest of the nation and the people.

The People’s Alliance for Democracy has been rallying to scrutinize the government’s conduct and protect the 3 highest institutions of Thailand: the nation, the religion and the monarchy. Throughout the course of the PAD rally, the government has abused its power and employed various underhanded measures to harm and intimidate the public.

The efforts by the People’s Alliance for Democracy to oust the nominee government and to protest against the attempt to rewrite the Constitution are unfinished because the nominee-Parliament of ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra is still determined to rewrite the charter for self-interests and pave the way for the eradication of the Privy Council institution. The abolition of the Privy Council directly diminishes the authority of the monarchy and is, therefore, unacceptable to the PAD.

Due to the above reasons, the People’s Alliance for Democracy is unable to tolerate the conduct of the merciless government and the nominee-Parliament which is under the complete directive of ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra.

The People’s Alliance for Democracy has agreed to launch a final call for the public to join a mass rally at Government House on November 23, 2008 from 2 p.m. The gathering will mark the final chapter of the PAD’s protest against the charter rewrite and the ousting of the proxy killer government and the nominee Parliament.

The PAD is calling for the public to join the historic gathering to protect Thailand’s constitutional monarchy and to exercise their democratic rights according to Article 70 of the 2007 Constitution which allows the public to protect the nation, religion and monarchy.

With deepest respect,

People’s Alliance for Democracy

Thursday, November 20, 2008

Source: Thailand Outlook - 24 November 2008

[h90]

the unarmed police just shooted at a bus.

I just can't believe that the government is not doing anything after they had no problems killing people last time.

The police ended a hijacking with reasonable use of force and with no loss of life, and you seem to be implying that this is a bad thing . How much koolaid did you drink?

Maybe they should have given the bus a police escort through parliment.

OK, lets try again....

How can an unarmed policeman shoot?

Or is the police telling a lie, again?

[Jai Dee]

PM Somchai Vows Not to Resign

Despite the hundred of thousands of protesters surrouning key government offices, including Parliament, this morning, PM Somchai Wongsawat told Reuters news agency that he has no plans to step down as premier of Thailand.

Upon the conclusion of the APEC Leaders Summit, PM Somchai Wongsawat spoke to Reuters and reiterated that he will not step down as premier.

PM Somchai insisted he will exercise the utmost restraints and will strive to reconcile with the People's Alliance for Democracy protesters. Somchai added that no violence will be use to suppress the PAD who has, so far, managed to lay siege to Parliament, Metropolitan Police Bureau and the Finance Ministry.

Source: Thailand Outlook - 24 November 2008

[animatic]

We dont need to worry as little somchai is not resigning and he assures us he is more worried about the economic problems and is working to solve them. Meanwhile it is common knowledge that the government is not doing anyhting in terms of governing or policy beyond surviving, trying to enact Mr. Ts chosen constitution and/or amnesty and passing a leakage ridden budget to buy the next election. Still as there isnt a cloud on the world horizon I am sure Thailand need not worry about what is happening outside its borders and it may actually be a good thing that government is totally non-functioning as the PPP dont exactly have anyone who understnads economic 101 let alone could do anything about the impending tidal wave.

Oh yes the real fun is yet to start.

Well I read Olarn's bio, he does seem to have adequate economic credentials.

Doesn't mean he can use them properly with his bosses looking on...

[animatic]

the unarmed police just shooted at a bus.

I just can't believe that the government is not doing anything after they had no problems killing people last time.

The police ended a hijacking with reasonable use of force and with no loss of life, and you seem to be implying that this is a bad thing . How much koolaid did you drink?

Maybe they should have given the bus a police escort through parliment.

OK, lets try again....

How can an unarmed policeman shoot?

Or is the police telling a lie, again?

H90,

they only said police at Parlement and doing crowd control at specific sites would be

armed only with basic defensive crowd control weaponry.

The rest of the countries police will be armed as usual....

This bus incident smells of disinformation to back up a possible hard response again.

Just setting the stage like last time.

[Roadman]

Seems so many forget this has a LOT to do with why so many have just

traveled north for this protest. They know how bad things will get for them again

IF Thaksin regains power over them.

Is that opposed to those who will travel south because they know how bad things will get for them when they lose a vote?

Glass half empty, one lot are as bad as the other. Glass half full, one lot as much as the other have sound reason not to give ground. Like it or not there is ever only going to be one way to resolve this.

Just make sure you and those who are close to you are not in the way if both groups do finally try to resolve it.

Edit:spelling

Edited November 24, 2008 by Roadman

[h90]

We dont need to worry as little somchai is not resigning and he assures us he is more worried about the economic problems and is working to solve them. Meanwhile it is common knowledge that the government is not doing anyhting in terms of governing or policy beyond surviving, trying to enact Mr. Ts chosen constitution and/or amnesty and passing a leakage ridden budget to buy the next election. Still as there isnt a cloud on the world horizon I am sure Thailand need not worry about what is happening outside its borders and it may actually be a good thing that government is totally non-functioning as the PPP dont exactly have anyone who understnads economic 101 let alone could do anything about the impending tidal wave.

Oh yes the real fun is yet to start.

I think he is not in the position to decide if he shall resign or not.

That's up to his wife and up to Thaksin. Surely not his decision.

[werbs]

the unarmed police just shooted at a bus.

I just can't believe that the government is not doing anything after they had no problems killing people last time.

The police ended a hijacking with reasonable use of force and with no loss of life, and you seem to be implying that this is a bad thing . How much koolaid did you drink?

Maybe they should have given the bus a police escort through parliment.

OK, lets try again....

How can an unarmed policeman shoot?

Or is the police telling a lie, again?

<snip>

do you really expect ALL police in Bangkok to be unarmed? the police at the parlaiment are unarmed, the police elsewhere are not unarmed (and i am sure the criminals amonst the PAD are armed.

Do you think everyone should just give in to the criminals? do you think they shoulkd be given the freedom to continue with their criminal activities?

<snip>

Edited November 24, 2008 by Jai Dee
flames deleted

[Jai Dee]

Army chief Gen Anupong and House speaker Chai to have a press conference

Army commander in Chief Gen Anupong Paojinda and House Speaker Chai Chidchob will hold a press conference at 3pm at temporary seat of government at Don Muang Airport.

They are expected to talk about the protesters' besieging of the Parliament on Monday.

Source: The Nation - 24 November 2008

[quangodosh]

One thing little mentioned in this North / South juxtaposition is that

much of the south is ALSO aggrarian and not just some elites playground.

And much of ther south also has workers from all over, especially in hospitailty

and construction. Funny you don't here much of ANY support from these people for Thaksin.

TRT and PPP couldn't hardly get a rally of 30 on Samui, and there are plenty of people from the north here.

True. A few weeks ago, I remember seeing a small group of red shirts in Chewang with hand clappers and banners, who were quite forcibly told to bugger off by the locals. And dispersed very quickly. No airport blockade here. The word was, anyone attempting to disrupt the already disastrously reduced tourist industry would be shot by local "hard boys" who control most of the night life here.

[h90]

the unarmed police just shooted at a bus.

I just can't believe that the government is not doing anything after they had no problems killing people last time.

The police ended a hijacking with reasonable use of force and with no loss of life, and you seem to be implying that this is a bad thing . How much koolaid did you drink?

Maybe they should have given the bus a police escort through parliment.

OK, lets try again....

How can an unarmed policeman shoot?

Or is the police telling a lie, again?

<snip>

do you really expect ALL police in Bangkok to be unarmed? the police at the parlaiment are unarmed, the police elsewhere are not unarmed (and i am sure the criminals amonst the PAD are armed.

Do you think everyone should just give in to the criminals? do you think they shoulkd be given the freedom to continue with their criminal activities?

<snip>

Well.....The Police and the government are the good one and PAD are criminals....is your opinion?

I can only hope you are still young and will learn when you are older.

[Jai Dee]

PM: I won't resign and army won't stage coup

Prime Minister and Defence Minister Somchai Wongsawat, who is attending the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (Apec) summit in Peru, said he had no intention to resign as his government was democratically elected. Following the People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD)'s mass demonstration in front of the parliament on Monday morning, the premier said the government will exercise the utmost restraint and refrain from using aggressive measures with the anti-government group.

If the government has to be forced out, it should be done by the parliamentary election or the general public in a ballot, he said. He also believed the army will not stage another coup.

More from the Bangkok Post here.

[hammered]

One thing little mentioned in this North / South juxtaposition is that

much of the south is ALSO aggrarian and not just some elites playground.

And much of ther south also has workers from all over, especially in hospitailty

and construction. Funny you don't here much of ANY support from these people for Thaksin.

TRT and PPP couldn't hardly get a rally of 30 on Samui, and there are plenty of people from the north here.

The much of thesouth also has felt the sting of Thaksin when he is not voted for, and loved.

He vindictively stuck it to any province that didn't vote for him, and so,

no one down south wants to risk that situation again.

He governed for himself and his clique up north and used government funds allocation

as a weapon against any who didn't jump on his bandwagon.

Seems so many forget this has a LOT to do with why so many have just

traveled north for this protest. They know how bad things will get for them again

IF Thaksin regains power over them.

A study of where the mostly sitting MPs who initially formed TRT came form and what parties subsequently joined TRT and where their sitting MPs came from explains a lot of where TRTs power base is located.

[john b good]

Thailand is going nowhere fast.

And to think that the majority of the issues stem from the era of the self serving Toxin.

And to put his brother in law into the position (PM) defies all logic and common sense. Did they really think that this guy would have been accepted

[quangodosh]

Sorry. just to add, I saw 4 high ranking police officers, who were off duty, wearing T shirts with pro PAD slogans on them....

[werbs]

the unarmed police just shooted at a bus.

I just can't believe that the government is not doing anything after they had no problems killing people last time.

The police ended a hijacking with reasonable use of force and with no loss of life, and you seem to be implying that this is a bad thing . How much koolaid did you drink?

Maybe they should have given the bus a police escort through parliment.

OK, lets try again....

How can an unarmed policeman shoot?

Or is the police telling a lie, again?

do you really expect ALL police in Bangkok to be unarmed? the police at the parlaiment are unarmed, the police elsewhere are not unarmed (and i am sure the criminals amonst the PAD are armed.

Do you think everyone should just give in to the criminals? do you think they shoulkd be given the freedom to continue with their criminal activities?

Well.....The Police and the government are the good one and PAD are criminals....is your opinion?

I can only hope you are still young and will learn when you are older.

i am a 41 year old ex policeman from the UK, I am well educated with a law degree, not much left to learn about idiots to be fair, at no point did i say the police and government are the good ones, the governmet are however elected and the police despite all their faults are stuck in the middle, the PAD however are criminals as can be seen by their actions and their pathetic attempts at fooling the public. the sad thing is that some people buy into their 'peaceful protest' propoganda whilst missing the bad they are doing to the country

[hammered]

PM: I won't resign and army won't stage coup

Prime Minister and Defence Minister Somchai Wongsawat, who is attending the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (Apec) summit in Peru, said he had no intention to resign as his government was democratically elected. Following the People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD)'s mass demonstration in front of the parliament on Monday morning, the premier said the government will exercise the utmost restraint and refrain from using aggressive measures with the anti-government group.

If the government has to be forced out, it should be done by the parliamentary election or the general public in a ballot, he said. He also believed the army will not stage another coup.

More from the Bangkok Post here.

Technically it is parliament that is the elected body. The government can resign or commit ritual suicide or all dress up in pig outfits and go leaping around tesco lotus to their hearts content and under a parliamentary system life will go on and governments will be replaced. It happens in parlaimanetary system. It is a tad odd that someone who is the PM and of a party that claims to love democracy does not realise this.

Then again little somchai and his operator and all the other bought and paid for bend over and take it mouthpieces believe in democracy about as much as Sondhi so I guess the finer points of the parliamentary system dont really come into this.

[Plus]

Somchai went on record that he'd resign if he was found guilty in Oct. 7 violence.

Now he still refuses to honour his own word.

>>>>>

The PM and government have a full mandate to dissolve the parliament, call for new elections, and set a constution drafting body. That would immediately dissolve the situation.

Immediatedly.

The government clings to power only because this instability benefits Thaksin.

[MHM]

Ah, lunchtime. The revolution can wait

[animatic]

Seems so many forget this has a LOT to do with why so many have just

traveled north for this protest. They know how bad things will get for them again

IF Thaksin regains power over them.

Is that opposed to those who will travel south because they know how bad things will get for them when they lose a vote?

Glass half empty, one lot are as bad as the other. Glass half full, one lot as much as the other have sound reason not to give ground. Like it or not there is ever only going to be one way to resolve this.

Just make sure you and those who are close to you are not in the way if both groups do finally try to resolve it.

Edit:spelling

That is NOT the case for the south.

Being ignored and finally found is not the same as

being vindictively hammered down for not joining up.

It is not a proven past fact that any new government will be vindictive against the northerners.

That is NOT the case for the south.

No one believes that the 'North east genie' will go back in the bottle with ANY government.

But this is not an inconsequancial number at this rally.

And one of the larger reasons is of the making of Thaksin's own hand...

Edited November 24, 2008 by animatic

[JoeInSurin]

Why is a elected government (recognized by the majority of people in Thailand and also by the international community as a whole) trying to go about it's buisness and the police doing the job they are paid for bad? The PAD have taken over NBT,taken over the Government House, have illegal weapons , have assaulted police officers, resisted arrest, obstructed the Governments operations, have blocked roads so people can't get to school and work, Ect and you think this is OK. What as you get older would teach you that this is OK?

[animatic]

Somchai went on record that he'd resign if he was found guilty in Oct. 7 violence.

Now he still refuses to honour his own word.

>>>>>

The PM and government have a full mandate to dissolve the parliament, call for new elections, and set a constution drafting body. That would immediately dissolve the situation.

Immediatedly.

The government clings to power only because this instability benefits Thaksin.

Also they haven't put in enough graft to PAY for winning the next election yet,

and haven't put in enough members in the new replacement party to contest the new election.

And they want to silence PAD before the next election....

[h90]

So to begin...this Government is NOT democratic elected.....

They are already found guilty of massive vote buying, they just wait to get dissolved. They come from an dissolved party and they prepared already a new party for their future.

Their MPs frequently fly or phone to a criminal as they don't know what to do.

And you think that is OK?

If you can't figure out that a government which came into power due to vote buying is wrong, than your law degree was a waste of time.

[werbs]

So to begin...this Government is NOT democratic elected.....

They are already found guilty of massive vote buying, they just wait to get dissolved. They come from an dissolved party and they prepared already a new party for their future.

Their MPs frequently fly or phone to a criminal as they don't know what to do.

And you think that is OK?

If you can't figure out that a government which came into power due to vote buying is wrong, than your law degree was a waste of time.

The government was elected in a democratic election, they are in power because simply they got the most seats, how they got them is neither here not there for me, at no point have I said that I am pro government (it seems that you believe that I am), I am neutral on the government, if they have done wrong them let the law deal with that and not a mob.

I am however anti PAD and this is based on my observations of how they have gone about this whole sorry affair, stop with the lies about being peaceful etc, its obvious that this is not the case.

Edited November 24, 2008 by Jai Dee
Flame deleted.

[Rajah]

I am however anti PAD and this is based on my observations of how they have gone about this whole sorry affair, stop with the lies about being peaceful etc, its obvious that this is not the case.

The problem with the pro PAD guys is they think you are pro Thaksin if you are anti PAD. It's always the same. "You are with me or against me." Typical PAD propaganda.

[animatic]

Thailand is going nowhere fast.

And to think that the majority of the issues stem from the era of the self serving Toxin.

And to put his brother in law into the position (PM) defies all logic and common sense. Did they really think that this guy would have been accepted

This sums it up.

I note several 'they are elected and why can't the criminals leave them alone' posts above....

Being elected doesn't prevent them from being worse criminals themselves.

And if I can't run a company with a nominee structure as a farang,

why should a convicted criminal run the country through a string of family nominees?

If this government ie cabinet, was acting in good faith,

this problem would NOT be in the street.

It's a crying shame this has come to this.

And one man and his rampaging ego to blame.

PS. I am not brainwashed, that implies someone changed my mind for me,

no one has even attempted to inculcate their point of view

to replace my own, nor am a a PAD member.

If ANYONE changed my mind it was Thaksin himself....

[IAMSOBAD]

Bravo...Bravo to werbs.

It IS more important to read what a poster says on a forum...than to play schoolmarm and spell checker with each post with which you disagree. This is a place to add to the conversation...NOT to subtract from it. We all need to think before we attack fellow posters with petty accusations and rude allegations. JMHO

[Moonrakers]

I don't have a degree and I do not have outstanding English skills either.

However it doesn't take a higher level of education to understand that any vote won by way of votes being bought is not democratic. Or does it take some sort of profound understanding that I don't possess?

[werbs]

Bravo...Bravo to werbs.

It IS more important to read what a poster says on a forum...than to play schoolmarm and spell checker with each post with which you disagree. This is a place to add to the conversation...NOT to subtract from it. We all need to think before we attack fellow posters with petty accusations and rude allegations. JMHO

It is a tactic used by people with nothing sensibe to add to a conversation, they do not have the ability to counter ones points so they resort to hunting down typo's or grammatical errors in the hope they can appear educated and therefor part of the discussion, when in all honesty they have nothing sensible to bring to the discussion.

Oh and by the way, I am leaving errors in now on purpose just to annoy him

Werbs

(still waiting for a PM)