Police Asked To Press Terrorism Charges Against Pad Leaders

[sriracha john]

Has he made mention in his articles about the Senate investigating committee finding the police and government responsible for the Oct 7 deaths, maimings, and injuries?

Or that the other investigating committee, the police one, having not produced anything nor even indicated that are actually still investigating?

Edited December 8, 2008 by sriracha john

[jdinasia]

I am not going to say someone above is being deliberately disingenuous ----- but the forensics expert quoted is the same one that said the girl was not killed by the teargas canisters used that day ... and has since recanted after having seen the type of munitions used but the highly trained anti-riot border patrol police

[animatic]

I am not going to say someone above is being deliberately disingenuous ----- but the forensics expert quoted is the same one that said the girl was not killed by the teargas canisters used that day ... and has since recanted after having seen the type of munitions used but the highly trained anti-riot border patrol police

Kuhnying Porntip nME and forensics expert,

took examples of ALL the tear gas canisters and launchers used and tested them,

in open fields, and also I believe using pig carcases.

She then changed an initial opinion, based on discovering new facts.

[younghusband]

Only problem with the 'blowing up part' is that the vehicle was burning in a fairly small normal fire to begin with, that grew and eventually the gas-tank also let out a bigger cloud..and then it slowly died down...no explosion of a powerful bomb. And it's all on tape. And it has been reported here before. So YHs claim he couldn't have heard anything about it not being a bomb..well...take it with a shovel of salt.

Not very convincing.Let's see what the authorities have to say........oh they're not saying anything.Wonder why?

I have news for you chum.I don't scrutinise every post on TV.I try to answer points addressed to me but even here I may miss some.

Nothing will ever convince you unless you have already decided it is your viewpoint.

And I'm not your chum. Save it will you, 'pal'.

As expected no substantive response from our little chum.Just blather followed by interjections from the incestuous little PAD tag team and insults for reputable journalists.Quite what purpose they have in mind is hard to tell.

[Scott]

I hope they all get charged, convicted and sentenced accordingly.

[jdinasia]

I am not going to say someone above is being deliberately disingenuous ----- but the forensics expert quoted is the same one that said the girl was not killed by the teargas canisters used that day ... and has since recanted after having seen the type of munitions used but the highly trained anti-riot border patrol police

Kuhnying Porntip nME and forensics expert,

took examples of ALL the tear gas canisters and launchers used and tested them,

in open fields, and also I believe using pig carcases.

She then changed an initial opinion, based on discovering new facts.

Correct, she was not the forensics guy being quoted above ... it was the one the police used and that made statements early on.

Head, is a hack. Putting out less than accurate information in what appears to be an attempt to pander to a particular group.

[Plus]

insults for reputable journalists.Quite what purpose they have in mind is hard to tell.

JH killed his own repuation with his latest story-telling.

What purpose do I have in "ranting" about him?

I don't think it goes beyond uncovering the myth about Western journalist integrity. First it was the Economist and the Moon character, then the article in Guardian (turned out to be written by a Thai), now JH.

I think I'm getting to the point where ANY report on Thailand in western media is suspicious by default, it's gotten to the point where disagreements over minor points with old hands like Grispin or Baker are nothing in comparison to delibirate disinformation and brainwashing compaign by hacks like JH.

Ok, it was just one article, he might straighten up himself in the future (depending on which way the wind blows) but he is not to be trusted, ever.

[animatic]

I am not going to say someone above is being deliberately disingenuous ----- but the forensics expert quoted is the same one that said the girl was not killed by the teargas canisters used that day ... and has since recanted after having seen the type of munitions used but the highly trained anti-riot border patrol police

Kuhnying Porntip nME and forensics expert,

took examples of ALL the tear gas canisters and launchers used and tested them,

in open fields, and also I believe using pig carcases.

She then changed an initial opinion, based on discovering new facts.

Correct, she was not the forensics guy being quoted above ... it was the one the police used and that made statements early on.

Head, is a hack. Putting out less than accurate information in what appears to be an attempt to pander to a particular group.

One main reason she was given Kunying Status was because the police hacks

and facts spinning obsfucators in the police's co-opted forensics departments

were trying to sue her into silence for disputing, accurately, their inaccurate pronouncements.

The one hard currence of forensics is FACTS, jack....

She was thought by many to be a national asset, and worth higher level protections.

And I would love to see her as PM.

Oh, the heads would roll! The lady takes no prisoners!

[Plus]

And I would love to see her as PM.

Oh, the heads would roll! The lady takes no prisoners!

Calm down, Animatic, PMship is way out of her league.

It's a whole more than slice and dice, and the skill of compromise is an absolute necessity. All the liars and cheats and what not are also citizens of this country and they don't all deserve to end up on her table.

[younghusband]

insults for reputable journalists.Quite what purpose they have in mind is hard to tell.

JH killed his own repuation with his latest story-telling.

What purpose do I have in "ranting" about him?

I don't think it goes beyond uncovering the myth about Western journalist integrity. First it was the Economist and the Moon character, then the article in Guardian (turned out to be written by a Thai), now JH.

I think I'm getting to the point where ANY report on Thailand in western media is suspicious by default, it's gotten to the point where disagreements over minor points with old hands like Grispin or Baker are nothing in comparison to delibirate disinformation and brainwashing compaign by hacks like JH.

Ok, it was just one article, he might straighten up himself in the future (depending on which way the wind blows) but he is not to be trusted, ever.

I don't think you have even begun to make your case.You would be hard pressed to find anyone familiar with the media who would agree with you.If JH is such a poor journalist why is he so well regarded ? Why has there been no public criticism of him? The fact is - along with your Moon fantasy, you don't like to see the defects of the PAD movement analysed in detail.In my small way I have tried to do that on this forum and there is pressure on me to pipe down.

[TAWP]

Only problem with the 'blowing up part' is that the vehicle was burning in a fairly small normal fire to begin with, that grew and eventually the gas-tank also let out a bigger cloud..and then it slowly died down...no explosion of a powerful bomb. And it's all on tape. And it has been reported here before. So YHs claim he couldn't have heard anything about it not being a bomb..well...take it with a shovel of salt.

Not very convincing.Let's see what the authorities have to say........oh they're not saying anything.Wonder why?

I have news for you chum.I don't scrutinise every post on TV.I try to answer points addressed to me but even here I may miss some.

Nothing will ever convince you unless you have already decided it is your viewpoint.

And I'm not your chum. Save it will you, 'pal'.

As expected no substantive response from our little chum.Just blather followed by interjections from the incestuous little PAD tag team and insults for reputable journalists.Quite what purpose they have in mind is hard to tell.

Since your response to the retelling of a video-recording of the event is a 'Not very convincing' [sic] and you are being, as usual, rude, I wouldn't really lose any sleep over your opinion of me.

It would however be nice if you at times tried to remain within the usual parameters of the 'truth' and not always bring out crap like 'incestuous little PAD tag team' when you have nothing better to counter with. I never have been and never will be a part or a direct supportive fan of PAD.

You claim to be a man of education and standard - prove it once in a while.

Edited December 10, 2008 by TAWP

[Pierrot]

I think I'm getting to the point where ANY report on Thailand in western media is suspicious by default ...

They give a different point of view ...

What is very interesting is that an increasing number of educated Thai people are now unhappy with the current political situation. I used to believe that support for reform was only from the poor farmers and the progressive business people. Wrong ! It's deeper than that. Today they express themselves in foreign media but they are the future of Thailand.

Do you realize that the owner of the noodle shop in Udon, or the hardware store in Pak Chong, is now sending his son (or daughter) to study in London, Sydney or Washington ? Do you think when they will be back they will accept the old order ? Especially when they are the son (daughter) of a noodle shop owner and not of the wealthy old elite ?

[samgrowth]

I think I'm getting to the point where ANY report on Thailand in western media is suspicious by default ...

They give a different point of view ...

What is very interesting is that an increasing number of educated Thai people are now unhappy with the current political situation. I used to believe that support for reform was only from the poor farmers and the progressive business people. Wrong ! It's deeper than that. Today they express themselves in foreign media but they are the future of Thailand.

Do you realize that the owner of the noodle shop in Udon, or the hardware store in Pak Chong, is now sending his son (or daughter) to study in London, Sydney or Washington ? Do you think when they will be back they will accept the old order ? Especially when they are the son (daughter) of a noodle shop owner and not of the wealthy old elite ?

Unless they get the Thaksin/TRT scholarship, how could your said people send their children to London, Sydney or Washington? Maybe drug dealers or underground lottery operators, which Thaksin/TRT tried so hard to have it removed?

[animatic]

And I would love to see her as PM.

Oh, the heads would roll! The lady takes no prisoners!

Calm down, Animatic, PMship is way out of her league.

It's a whole more than slice and dice, and the skill of compromise is an absolute necessity. All the liars and cheats and what not are also citizens of this country and they don't all deserve to end up on her table.

Metaphorical heads, of course....

[grandpops]

Has he made mention in his articles about the Senate investigating committee finding the police and government responsible for the Oct 7 deaths, maimings, and injuries?

Or that the other investigating committee, the police one, having not produced anything nor even indicated that are actually still investigating?

On that day they did their job which was to stop a herd of brainwashed sheep from invading parliament.

The problem was that they didn't us the tactic more often to protect the Airport and Democracy.

Fascist Coup in place!!!

[rafval]

havent read all this, but why do they need the police to charge them, is it not possible for them to do it themselves?

[permanent_disorder]

Police: PAD guard found dead at airport

Bangkok Post Wednesday December 10, 2008

The body of a man found at Don Muaeng airport is believed to be a guard of People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD), Deputy police chief Jongrak Chuthanont said Wednesday.

The body was found inside an abandoned cargo building on Tuesday.

PAD occupied the airport for about a week last month.

Pol Gen Jongrak said the area where the body was discovered was the place where the PAD guards rested, adding that the death could result from fights between the guards themselves.

The body of the man, wrapped inside a plastic bag, was believed to have died a week ago.

He asked police investigators to contact the PAD core leaders to ask for the list of the names of their guards for further investigation.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/b...s.php?id=135291

_____________________________________________________________________

Body found inside Dong Mueang Airport believed to be PAD guard

The Nation

Police suspect that a body found in an unused warehouse of the Don Mueang Airport was a security guard of the People's Alliance for Democracy.

The body was found wrapped in a plastic bag inside a cargo building of the airport Tuesday evening by a security official who smelled stench from inside the building.

Deputy Police Commissioner-General Jongrak Juthanon said the unidentified man might be a PAD guard and killed by other PAD guards who hid the body there.

Jongrak said the building was used by PAD guards as living quarters while the PAD occupied the airport.

Pol Maj Boonchote Liangbamrung of Don Muang police station said the man might be killed while the PAD was leaving the airport.

He said police have yet to identify the man.

The Nation

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingne...newsid=30090643

[permanent_disorder]

^^

[samgrowth]

Police: PAD guard found dead at airport

Bangkok Post Wednesday December 10, 2008

Body found inside Dong Mueang Airport believed to be PAD guard

The Nation

Must be the work of Thaksin's supporter. Why would the PAD guard kill their own people.

Or the police plant the evident there, so they can get the guard list, to start arresting them all. Dirty trick.

Sondhi and PAD is white as snow.

[ace]

I don't think it goes beyond uncovering the myth about Western journalist integrity. First it was the Economist and the Moon character, then the article in Guardian (turned out to be written by a Thai), now JH.

.................................

I think I'm getting to the point where ANY report on Thailand in western media is suspicious by default, it's gotten to the point where disagreements over minor points with old hands like Grispin or Baker are nothing in comparison to delibirate disinformation and brainwashing compaign by hacks like JH.

That's right, there all out to get you, every one. Maybe George Bush, the Illuminati and I think Elvis too are all in on this.

[Rajah]

Some time ago I asked anyone to provide a credible explanation.Nobody responded and I have seen nothing in the press or blogs.

As Bangkok Pundit as noted there is a strange silence from the authorities (eg Khunying Pornthip) as to the precise cause of Pol Col Methee's (PAD Buriram branch) fate

It was mentioned on December 1st in the "Bangkok Post" but only a couple of sentences.

"Attempts to investigate the death of PAD guard chief Methee Chatmontri in a car bomb on Oct 7 have been hindered by the PAD's lack of cooperation in witness questioning, he said.

He dismissed speculation by the PAD that M79 grenades fired by police were the cause of Pol Lt-Col Methee's death.

Generally, this grenade would leave shrapnel in the body of the vehicle when it explodes, but none was found on the wrecked jeep, he said.

Besides, explosives from C-4 to TNT were found inside his vehicle, Pol Maj-Gen Chakthip added."

http://www.bangkokpost.com/011208_News/01Dec2008_news03.php

[samgrowth]

He dismissed speculation by the PAD that M79 grenades fired by police were the cause of Pol Lt-Col Methee's death.

Generally, this grenade would leave shrapnel in the body of the vehicle when it explodes, but none was found on the wrecked jeep, he said.

Besides, explosives from C-4 to TNT were found inside his vehicle, Pol Maj-Gen Chakthip added."

C-4 to TNT. Where the hel_l the stuff came from? They are not easy to get. Not even in Klongtoey market.

[Plus]

I don't think it goes beyond uncovering the myth about Western journalist integrity. First it was the Economist and the Moon character, then the article in Guardian (turned out to be written by a Thai), now JH.

.................................

I think I'm getting to the point where ANY report on Thailand in western media is suspicious by default, it's gotten to the point where disagreements over minor points with old hands like Grispin or Baker are nothing in comparison to delibirate disinformation and brainwashing compaign by hacks like JH.

That's right, there all out to get you, every one. Maybe George Bush, the Illuminati and I think Elvis too are all in on this.

If you can find a western analysis/opinion piece that doesn't quote Giles or Tithinan, or both, please post a link here.

Both of these guys are extremely partisan commentators but seems to be the only western media listens to here.

Same goes for accompanying images - please post a link if you find articles that contain anything other than PAD guards caught in the acts of violence.

[TAWP]

He dismissed speculation by the PAD that M79 grenades fired by police were the cause of Pol Lt-Col Methee's death.

Generally, this grenade would leave shrapnel in the body of the vehicle when it explodes, but none was found on the wrecked jeep, he said.

Besides, explosives from C-4 to TNT were found inside his vehicle, Pol Maj-Gen Chakthip added."

C-4 to TNT. Where the hel_l the stuff came from? They are not easy to get. Not even in Klongtoey market.

Unfortunately the implication of a bomb being in the car isn't really accurate, unless the bomb was designed to be small enough to only take out the drive.

If you compare the car wreck or the fire itself in the video to a real car-bomb designed to explode to injure others [outside the car], you will notice several things that are different.

The lack of structural damage to the car being one of the crucial points.

[Ulysses G.]

Have you noticed that at least one PAD apologist has gone from nit-picking about things that are not important to just making stuff up?

[younghusband]

I don't think it goes beyond uncovering the myth about Western journalist integrity. First it was the Economist and the Moon character, then the article in Guardian (turned out to be written by a Thai), now JH.

.................................

I think I'm getting to the point where ANY report on Thailand in western media is suspicious by default, it's gotten to the point where disagreements over minor points with old hands like Grispin or Baker are nothing in comparison to delibirate disinformation and brainwashing compaign by hacks like JH.

That's right, there all out to get you, every one. Maybe George Bush, the Illuminati and I think Elvis too are all in on this.

If you can find a western analysis/opinion piece that doesn't quote Giles or Tithinan, or both, please post a link here.

Both of these guys are extremely partisan commentators but seems to be the only western media listens to here.

Same goes for accompanying images - please post a link if you find articles that contain anything other than PAD guards caught in the acts of violence.

[quiksilva]

I certainly don't have any love for the PAD, they have all but killed tourism with most 5 star hotels currently 'enjoying' occupancies of 7-10% but please don't rush to defend the BBC and western journalists too quickly.

A number of reporters that have been mentioned in this thread have been treated very harshly by Thai authorities in the past, some even faced lese majeste charges, regardless of their basis in fact or not, being run out of town or intimidated can not but help affect the objectivity of their reporting. It has reached point now that it seems that there is always a negative slant to their stories. Yes their personal experiences was very bad but is that reflective of most people's experiences here? I maintain that its not, and this has affected their professionalism.

The BBC over recent years have been responsible for some very sensationalist reporting, take the misreporting over the Tsunami tragedy for instance with their wildly inaccurate numbers about the number of deaths on Phuket.

The BBC recently reported that the PAD had taken over the control tower of Suvarnaphumi Airport, which is a very major deal but in fact it never happened!!!

Sorry source junkies there is no quotable source for that bombshell because I learned this at a closed business lunch today, but be assured my source is excellent. He is highly placed in the airline industry, in fact he works at offices at the new airport. He reported that the actual situation on the ground was quite different to how it was portrayed. For example:- his staff were free to come and leave the airport, at will, all throughout last week, with no blockades, they could just drive straight to the car park as normal, but as usual the whole scene was played up and given a bit more 'zest'.

The old maxim of "When reading the news, be sure to read between the lines too." holds true in Asia just as it does back home, and holds true for all forms of news outlets, whoever they are, and wherever they might be based.

Accurate reporting is what this country needs, and unfortunately Thailand is consistently let down by its own media and that of the international press, and for that I hold Thaksin's intimidation against the press at fault.

Edited December 11, 2008 by quiksilva

[sriracha john]

He dismissed speculation by the PAD that M79 grenades fired by police were the cause of Pol Lt-Col Methee's death.

Generally, this grenade would leave shrapnel in the body of the vehicle when it explodes, but none was found on the wrecked jeep, he said.

Besides, explosives from C-4 to TNT were found inside his vehicle, Pol Maj-Gen Chakthip added."

C-4 to TNT. Where the hel_l the stuff came from? They are not easy to get. Not even in Klongtoey market.

Unfortunately the implication of a bomb being in the car isn't really accurate, unless the bomb was designed to be small enough to only take out the drive.

If you compare the car wreck or the fire itself in the video to a real car-bomb designed to explode to injure others [outside the car], you will notice several things that are different.

The lack of structural damage to the car being one of the crucial points.

Is there any other source, besides the police themselves, that have produced this information?

If it was solid, why then wouldn't it go to to greater publicity and knowledge?

Why would the Senate investigation committee specifically cite the police and government as being responsible for both deaths on Oct. 7th if the police could have been exonerated by this evidence in at least one of the cases?

and yes, the video images contradict that this vehicle was full of explosives.

Edited December 11, 2008 by sriracha john

[WeeGB]

quiksilva wrote:

"The BBC recently reported that the PAD had taken over the control tower of Suvarnaphumi Airport, which is a very major deal but in fact it never happened!!!"

Sadly, in my opinion, the BBC can no longer be trusted to be factually correct, truthful, or impartial anymore, not just with Thai news, but with most news. They seem to be obsessed with creating news, as can be seen by their continual requests for people to send reports from whatever is the current hot news topic.

[TAWP]

Have you noticed that at least one PAD apologist has gone from nit-picking about things that are not important to just making stuff up?

Would that be nit-picking over facts if people was in fact killed or not?

In your world being accurate might not be important. For others it is.

If you have evidence that any poster are making things up, just name them and shame them.

He dismissed speculation by the PAD that M79 grenades fired by police were the cause of Pol Lt-Col Methee's death.

Generally, this grenade would leave shrapnel in the body of the vehicle when it explodes, but none was found on the wrecked jeep, he said.

Besides, explosives from C-4 to TNT were found inside his vehicle, Pol Maj-Gen Chakthip added."

C-4 to TNT. Where the hel_l the stuff came from? They are not easy to get. Not even in Klongtoey market.

Unfortunately the implication of a bomb being in the car isn't really accurate, unless the bomb was designed to be small enough to only take out the drive.

If you compare the car wreck or the fire itself in the video to a real car-bomb designed to explode to injure others [outside the car], you will notice several things that are different.

The lack of structural damage to the car being one of the crucial points.

Is there any other source, besides the police themselves, that have produced this information?

If it was solid, why then wouldn't it go to to greater publicity and knowledge?

Why would the Senate investigation committee specifically cite the police and government as being responsible for both deaths on Oct. 7th if the police could have been exonerated by this evidence in at least one of the cases?

and yes, the video images contradict that this vehicle was full of explosives.

Haven't seen any reports of any C-4, TNT, RDX-references in connection with the car apart from one-liners from police-source so far. Hopefully some form of investigation will have a report in the end.