Australian Teenager Arrested For Smuggling Heroin To Sydney From Bangkok

[ourmaninbangers]

generally...often the hang 'em high crowd, people who love to condemn, say things on forum and not back up,insult, make personal and enjoy peoples misery, not all of course are what Freud discovered , and some other's

failure's by their own standard, sometimes called self-actualization ...

for them happiness is derived from others misfortune, because subconsciously they themselves look upon themselves as failure ( by their own standard)

Yes would have to agree with that analysis.

And I would have to disagree.

Funny how it has actually been "our(whoever)inbangers" that has not been able to back up ANY of his/her claims, but in this quote, tries to make it sound otherwise.

When he/she tried claiming that there is nothing harmful about Heroin, I was able to (very easily) come up with numerous links to sites that proved otherwise.

Meanwhile, "ourman" has (1, then 2, now 1 again) person(s) that is supposed to be a doctor, but won't go public for fear of being disciplined. Wow, one anonymous alleged doctor, versus thousands and thousands and thousands.

When "ourman" tried to claim that marijuana was legal in his/her beloved Netherlands, I was again quite easily able to come up with numerous references proving otherwise. Hmmm who is backing up their references and who isn't ?

Oh, I suppose he/she means that backing up what you are saying means agreeing to ridiculous 1 million (and now 10 million) baht bets, in which they win if they can show you (one) alleged doctor that claims Heroin isn't harmful, and one alleged Vietnam vet that has been allegedly using Heroin since the war ended (over 33 years ago), but isn't an addict and supposedly has no ill effects.

That is their "back-up" to the literally millions of people and sites that show otherwise.

Yeah, I would definitely have to disagree.

Actually, heroin in itself isn't really harmful. If provided with quality products without poisonous additives and administered by someone who knows what they're doing, there will be very little physical harm.

It's the life-style that kills the unprivileged heroinist. In Denmark (among other countries) heroin addicts can visit a local clinic for their daily injections and the result is that all aspects of their lives improve significantly, - they can keep jobs and social relations as well as physical health. The real danger of being addicted to heroin is that you deal with shady characters who often don't know the purity of their own product because it's been produced in an UG lab without quality control and many a middle man wants to increase his profits by cutting it 5-10% you'll never know what you're getting nor what it has been cut with. Another effects of the illegal status of heroin (as well as many other drugs) is that the price is high and it is necessary to associate oneself with criminals, which will make thers regards you as a criminal even if the extent of your crimes is restricted to personal use.

Being an outcast from society as a heroin user, there seems to be little to lose in taking big risks to get money as well as disregarding the personal safety when you chose who to deal with.

There is no denying that heroin can be addictive if you have an affinity for it but it is an outright lie that anyone who tries will become addicted. Same as with any drug,not the least alcohol. Adiction is such a subjective term. According to AA (Alcoholics Anonymous) just having experienced memory-loss due to intoxication is enough to diagnose you as an alcoholic.

I have used heroin on occasion, many years ago I did a two-week session and then it took several years until the next occasion. Since then I've used sporadically, when offered by friends in favorable settings. The most I used was two and half years ago, that time I injected continually for about a month (to break another habit), went through the withdrawal and haven't regretted it, haven't longed for it and haven't missed it. Why? because its not my favorite high. I used it as a tool, take away all pain and cravings for my real drug of choice. On a side note, I havent gone back to my drug of choice - I do know that if I pick that up I'll be hooked right away and mess up everything.

I had the opportunity the take heroin since and i've declined. But i might do it again, but not as a habit. In fact, there are plenty of people who use heroin sporadically and there is research that points to the conclusion that you can use heroin one day (limited to two doses) a week without developing tolerance nor addiction.

reagrding the legal status of marijuana and related substances in Holland, the laws are contradictory. It is legal for coffeshops to sell, BUT the guy who supplies the coffee-shop is breakin the law.

THC is illegal in Belgium as well, however.. - the minister of justice has given explicitly forbidden police officers to apprehend or arrest people for marijuana-related offences

Regarding the opinions of "experts" you really should take it with a grain of salt. Use common sense instead of stating "this doctor said that, this propaganda told me.." et cetera.

How will you become addicted to a substance witha half-life of 3-4 hours if you use it once a week? Exactly what physical harm does pharmaceutical grade heroin cause?

The doctors will tell you (us) what they assess to be the in the best interest of public safety, not necessarily the truth. I'm studying medicine and I have several doctors in my immediate family. A common view is that most people need simple answers and guidelines, and in general it's more convenient to state "heroin leads to addiction, and eventually you will look like this aids-sick homeless junkie in Karachi" than to explain that if; quality control existed, there was always a secure supply and the price was affordable it wouldn't cause much harm.

Another aspect is the following: In Asia, heroin is cheap because there is alot around. People can afford smoking or insufflating it, thanks to the low price. If Afghanistan would be forced to seize producing/exporting, the price would sky-rocket and that would force a majority of users to start IVing as that is much more cost-efficient. Soon enough HIV would spread like a wildfire throughout Asia.

Legalize all drugs, inform properly, focus on harm-reduction and prevention. This would be a mayor finincial blow to organized crime, it would keep relatively harmless couriers and users out of jail and the money from those institutions could be used to help the poor people who have problems with addiction etc.

I feel sorry for the boy who go caught. Sure, a 19-year old is legally adult but in these days we don't really have a lot of life experience at that age. Someone gave him the opportunity to make some quick cash and he went for it. He's still a kid. Put him to work in a detox facility for a few weeks and have him watch some video-tapes of people being executed for smugling drugs and he will think twice before getting into that business again. Put him in jail - he will enter as a naive boy and come out as a hardened criminal with all the inside knowledge and connections, learning how to be an adult from whoever took him under his wings while inside.

I must have logged onto the wrong site..

I thought I was on thaivisa

the refuge of the sheep, the misinformed, the lets forgot what we have failed in ,in our life and look at those who are worse of to makes ourselves feel better, the lets obey and follow every law, and although we would never dare place a bet on anything we say, accuse of lying when they dare to say something different

lets never question any professional because they all must be right all the time

ACTUALLY HEROIN IN ITSELF IS NOT REALLY HARMFUL- this is the truth, they hate this....

oh dear, the minority who seen to know the truth are on the rise

prepare yourself for a tirade , it is fun amusing, but sometimes sad

THANK YOU

whats sad is that people. especially those that believe that they know it all - are so reluctant to think for themselves and have to resort to worn out slogans.

I will have much more to say on this topic, mymanwhereveryouare. Right now, I gotta run to school.

hope you learn something in school today

I think we never stop learning- I certainly do not know it all, only that one should never stop listening/learning/questioning

and thanks for the cheers- only 3?

[neverdie]

I'd rather give you 3 SLAPS .....but since ur a lady, I will resist

[david08see]

generally...often the hang 'em high crowd, people who love to condemn, say things on forum and not back up,insult, make personal and enjoy peoples misery, not all of course are what Freud discovered , and some other's

failure's by their own standard, sometimes called self-actualization ...

for them happiness is derived from others misfortune, because subconsciously they themselves look upon themselves as failure ( by their own standard)

Yes would have to agree with that analysis.

And I would have to disagree.

Funny how it has actually been "our(whoever)inbangers" that has not been able to back up ANY of his/her claims, but in this quote, tries to make it sound otherwise.

When he/she tried claiming that there is nothing harmful about Heroin, I was able to (very easily) come up with numerous links to sites that proved otherwise.

Meanwhile, "ourman" has (1, then 2, now 1 again) person(s) that is supposed to be a doctor, but won't go public for fear of being disciplined. Wow, one anonymous alleged doctor, versus thousands and thousands and thousands.

When "ourman" tried to claim that marijuana was legal in his/her beloved Netherlands, I was again quite easily able to come up with numerous references proving otherwise. Hmmm who is backing up their references and who isn't ?

Oh, I suppose he/she means that backing up what you are saying means agreeing to ridiculous 1 million (and now 10 million) baht bets, in which they win if they can show you (one) alleged doctor that claims Heroin isn't harmful, and one alleged Vietnam vet that has been allegedly using Heroin since the war ended (over 33 years ago), but isn't an addict and supposedly has no ill effects.

That is their "back-up" to the literally millions of people and sites that show otherwise.

Yeah, I would definitely have to disagree.

Actually, heroin in itself isn't really harmful. If provided with quality products without poisonous additives and administered by someone who knows what they're doing, there will be very little physical harm.

It's the life-style that kills the unprivileged heroinist. In Denmark (among other countries) heroin addicts can visit a local clinic for their daily injections and the result is that all aspects of their lives improve significantly, - they can keep jobs and social relations as well as physical health. The real danger of being addicted to heroin is that you deal with shady characters who often don't know the purity of their own product because it's been produced in an UG lab without quality control and many a middle man wants to increase his profits by cutting it 5-10% you'll never know what you're getting nor what it has been cut with. Another effects of the illegal status of heroin (as well as many other drugs) is that the price is high and it is necessary to associate oneself with criminals, which will make thers regards you as a criminal even if the extent of your crimes is restricted to personal use.

Being an outcast from society as a heroin user, there seems to be little to lose in taking big risks to get money as well as disregarding the personal safety when you chose who to deal with.

There is no denying that heroin can be addictive if you have an affinity for it but it is an outright lie that anyone who tries will become addicted. Same as with any drug,not the least alcohol. Adiction is such a subjective term. According to AA (Alcoholics Anonymous) just having experienced memory-loss due to intoxication is enough to diagnose you as an alcoholic.

I have used heroin on occasion, many years ago I did a two-week session and then it took several years until the next occasion. Since then I've used sporadically, when offered by friends in favorable settings. The most I used was two and half years ago, that time I injected continually for about a month (to break another habit), went through the withdrawal and haven't regretted it, haven't longed for it and haven't missed it. Why? because its not my favorite high. I used it as a tool, take away all pain and cravings for my real drug of choice. On a side note, I havent gone back to my drug of choice - I do know that if I pick that up I'll be hooked right away and mess up everything.

I had the opportunity the take heroin since and i've declined. But i might do it again, but not as a habit. In fact, there are plenty of people who use heroin sporadically and there is research that points to the conclusion that you can use heroin one day (limited to two doses) a week without developing tolerance nor addiction.

reagrding the legal status of marijuana and related substances in Holland, the laws are contradictory. It is legal for coffeshops to sell, BUT the guy who supplies the coffee-shop is breakin the law.

THC is illegal in Belgium as well, however.. - the minister of justice has given explicitly forbidden police officers to apprehend or arrest people for marijuana-related offences

Regarding the opinions of "experts" you really should take it with a grain of salt. Use common sense instead of stating "this doctor said that, this propaganda told me.." et cetera.

How will you become addicted to a substance witha half-life of 3-4 hours if you use it once a week? Exactly what physical harm does pharmaceutical grade heroin cause?

The doctors will tell you (us) what they assess to be the in the best interest of public safety, not necessarily the truth. I'm studying medicine and I have several doctors in my immediate family. A common view is that most people need simple answers and guidelines, and in general it's more convenient to state "heroin leads to addiction, and eventually you will look like this aids-sick homeless junkie in Karachi" than to explain that if; quality control existed, there was always a secure supply and the price was affordable it wouldn't cause much harm.

Another aspect is the following: In Asia, heroin is cheap because there is alot around. People can afford smoking or insufflating it, thanks to the low price. If Afghanistan would be forced to seize producing/exporting, the price would sky-rocket and that would force a majority of users to start IVing as that is much more cost-efficient. Soon enough HIV would spread like a wildfire throughout Asia.

Legalize all drugs, inform properly, focus on harm-reduction and prevention. This would be a mayor finincial blow to organized crime, it would keep relatively harmless couriers and users out of jail and the money from those institutions could be used to help the poor people who have problems with addiction etc.

I feel sorry for the boy who go caught. Sure, a 19-year old is legally adult but in these days we don't really have a lot of life experience at that age. Someone gave him the opportunity to make some quick cash and he went for it. He's still a kid. Put him to work in a detox facility for a few weeks and have him watch some video-tapes of people being executed for smugling drugs and he will think twice before getting into that business again. Put him in jail - he will enter as a naive boy and come out as a hardened criminal with all the inside knowledge and connections, learning how to be an adult from whoever took him under his wings while inside.

I must have logged onto the wrong site..

I thought I was on thaivisa

the refuge of the sheep, the misinformed, the lets forgot what we have failed in ,in our life and look at those who are worse of to makes ourselves feel better, the lets obey and follow every law, and although we would never dare place a bet on anything we say, accuse of lying when they dare to say something different

lets never question any professional because they all must be right all the time

ACTUALLY HEROIN IN ITSELF IS NOT REALLY HARMFUL- this is the truth, they hate this....

oh dear, the minority who seen to know the truth are on the rise

prepare yourself for a tirade , it is fun amusing, but sometimes sad

THANK YOU

whats sad is that people. especially those that believe that they know it all - are so reluctant to think for themselves and have to resort to worn out slogans.

I will have much more to say on this topic, mymanwhereveryouare. Right now, I gotta run to school.

what is even sadder is that all bangers has ever said is that one should think for oneself and asks people to do the same

what she says happens to be completely true

and for this she gets these sorts of response's, and insults, making fun of her sex and grammer, etc, etc

it is all so childish

and you seem to have missed this point completely.

Slogan's...where?

You can say whatever you like, show any sorts of stat's

the fact's remain

heroin use does not have to mean heroin addiction.And one can use all their lives, to a ripe old age quite happily.

Ever read" the naked lunch'?

As for the cheers, make it 100 please, and as for slaps, she may like them...

well done bangers,keep up the good work, we all love you

[mrtoad]

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when you say it should be closed when another brave person has said the truth, same as I have been trying it may seem to some that the truth is being hidden big brother style

No. once again you try to twist the truth to set you own agenda. I'm still waiting for some common sense argument from you. This thread has been taking a long twist, you have chosen to ignore a number of posts over the past few days. I, and also a number of other posters, have been quite reasonable in our belifs on heroin. You, on the other hand, have chosen to prove that you are a bigger fool than most of us believed. Once you actually look at some of the stuff, that has been posted, and you actually digest it properly then you may understand, and may become a little more balanced.

As for this thread, it has gone way off slant, and should be put out of it's misery until we get an update about what is happening to the alleged drug smuggler (no big brother conspiracy), unless you have some form of paranoia.

[mrtoad]

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whats sad is that people. especially those that believe that they know it all - are so reluctant to think for themselves and have to resort to worn out slogans.

I will have much more to say on this topic, mymanwhereveryouare. Right now, I gotta run to school.

Nice new name.

[ThiSaStir]

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whats sad is that people. especially those that believe that they know it all - are so reluctant to think for themselves and have to resort to worn out slogans.

I will have much more to say on this topic, mymanwhereveryouare. Right now, I gotta run to school.

Nice new name.

its by no means a new name - its just spelt differently. it is a nice name 'cause my dear friend Maniac gave it to me. The Kid and the Drifter just kind of walked into their names by being who they are - we had to work hard and pay a high price for our names.

[ourmaninbangers]

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when you say it should be closed when another brave person has said the truth, same as I have been trying it may seem to some that the truth is being hidden big brother style

No. once again you try to twist the truth to set you own agenda. I'm still waiting for some common sense argument from you. This thread has been taking a long twist, you have chosen to ignore a number of posts over the past few days. I, and also a number of other posters, have been quite reasonable in our belifs on heroin. You, on the other hand, have chosen to prove that you are a bigger fool than most of us believed. Once you actually look at some of the stuff, that has been posted, and you actually digest it properly then you may understand, and may become a little more balanced.

As for this thread, it has gone way off slant, and should be put out of it's misery until we get an update about what is happening to the alleged drug smuggler (no big brother conspiracy), unless you have some form of paranoia.

mrtoad

what is wrong with you? Or is really me?

agenda- only seeking the truth? what agenda do you think I have exactly?

twist- what? people posted, I replied- I have no need to twist anything.I have even recommended some of those links you kindly sent me.

ignore- in one post I clearly wrote how thank to some of the stuff you have sent I have revisited my opinion's, etc and even adjusted to ensure it was not that I look like I promote

fool-well I could say lets test that and go out and meet some people, but nobody will take me up on that.Who exactly would call me a fool? I do not want to boast but I can think of a few who may argue this.

All I am saying is this-

heroin use does not have to mean heroin addiction

they are not a hopeless case

maybe use all their lives without negative affects

I agree that it is very dangerous to play with, etc, etc, all that is true, but does not change the above

this is what I honestly, with no agenda see, hear...and therefore believe

an Englishman sits with me now- he mentions the policy that you have never heard of regrading how doctors overplay the dangers of drug use and say this is the case indeed

and equates it with the lecture he had in school from the police " commit crimes= go to jail"

Sometimes,yes, all the time, in fact the vast majority of time- no.

Is a policeman going to say" we only catch 45%, and when you do this and that, we have zero chance of getting you...'?

We are infighting again when there is no need, I listen and respect what you say

like I do the gentleman here

[neverdie]

Funny I had bangers pegged as the kinda gurl that likes a bit of hanky panky, but I might leave someone a bit braver than me to take that job on.

You ought to be careful bangers...didnt you know most toads are poisionous....and you don't even have to inject them.

I think bangers has stated alot more than her new friend with the nice new polished nicname has stated, just scroll back thru any of her 100's of threds on TV....theres some really interesting claims.

[mrtoad]

Funny I had bangers pegged as the kinda gurl that likes a bit of hanky panky, but I might leave someone a bit braver than me to take that job on.

You ought to be careful bangers...didnt you know most toads are poisionous....and you don't even have to inject them.I think bangers has stated alot more than her new friend with the nice new polished nicname has stated, just scroll back thru any of her 100's of threds on TV....theres some really interesting claims.

I'm not a Cane Taod.

Bangers, nothing wrong with me.

[neverdie]

Funny I had bangers pegged as the kinda gurl that likes a bit of hanky panky, but I might leave someone a bit braver than me to take that job on.

You ought to be careful bangers...didnt you know most toads are poisionous....and you don't even have to inject them.I think bangers has stated alot more than her new friend with the nice new polished nicname has stated, just scroll back thru any of her 100's of threds on TV....theres some really interesting claims.

I'm not a Cane Taod.

Bangers, nothing wrong with me.

Sure you're not toadie

[t.s]

Playing a pretend game isn't against any laws.

It's just a revolt against the oppressive governmental organization that has grown forth in the last 100 years. Most of you probably don't even realize that 100 years ago people didn't need a green card to emigrate to the US...

Well surpisingly I did, I must read some nonsense from time to times. Implemented in 1940 or thereabouts wasn't it?

Erm, I think you have not understood what I was implying. It was not in relation to playing the pretend games. Read between the lines after the inital comment about the game.

why dont you just say what you have to say? i have neither the time nor inclination to read your mind.

[mrtoad]

Playing a pretend game isn't against any laws.

It's just a revolt against the oppressive governmental organization that has grown forth in the last 100 years. Most of you probably don't even realize that 100 years ago people didn't need a green card to emigrate to the US...

Well surpisingly I did, I must read some nonsense from time to times. Implemented in 1940 or thereabouts wasn't it?

Erm, I think you have not understood what I was implying. It was not in relation to playing the pretend games. Read between the lines after the inital comment about the game.

why dont you just say what you have to say? i have neither the time nor inclination to read your mind.

Well, it was pretty clear T.S., and it doesn't involve having to read my mind, it's just some choose to interpret things differently.

[MiG16]

alright, lets discuss the topic at hand. leave the personal bickering out of this shall we?

[Kerryd]

May as well close it actually. It's drifted way off topic, and I'm sure there'll be another story along soon about another smuggler getting caught, and it will all start again.

[mrtoad]

May as well close it actually. It's drifted way off topic, and I'm sure there'll be another story along soon about another smuggler getting caught, and it will all start again.

I agree. If there is an update on the case, then it can always be reopened.

[unforgiven]

Just goes to show theres no shortage of idiots, is there? Pity he wasnt caught at the Bangkok end, could of kept Mr Hoods company. Hope the Australian Authorities hang him high.....but I doubt it, he'll get bail & eventually end up with periodic detention or something like that.

Now lets just wait here & some bleeding heart will be along to tell us some sad story about this fool!

You are some sour jerk! 19 year old idiot he is, but it's drugs under a kilo....... he's just an fool. Sentence him to 15 years, make him do 5 and 10 on parol.That's a civilized sentence.You've forgotten the fact that taking a drug is your decision.If there was any justice in this world the government would be in jail for life for taxing and promoting the sale of achol and nicotine...................have killed 10000 more than smack...... in fact opium is a life extender in the hill tribes all the old men go on it...... lower BP and rhematitic pain

[ourmaninbangers]

May as well close it actually. It's drifted way off topic, and I'm sure there'll be another story along soon about another smuggler getting caught, and it will all start again.

that's true- and such a shame

but I have been learning a great deal from these thread's( from mrtoad and others recommended cites).I certainly will choose my words more carefully in futures, lest I look as though I am promoting this dangerous activity.

For that I am grateful at least

[ourmaninbangers]

Funny I had bangers pegged as the kinda gurl that likes a bit of hanky panky, but I might leave someone a bit braver than me to take that job on.

You ought to be careful bangers...didnt you know most toads are poisionous....and you don't even have to inject them.I think bangers has stated alot more than her new friend with the nice new polished nicname has stated, just scroll back thru any of her 100's of threds on TV....theres some really interesting claims.

I'm not a Cane Taod.

Bangers, nothing wrong with me.

oh I know there is nothing at all wrong with you.I actually think you and mrneverdie are quite lovely.

I hope perhaps one days we can share a nice bottle of wine and put aside our difference excuse my many ignorance and see we're all the comrade's on the same side

kisses

[neverdie]

Just goes to show theres no shortage of idiots, is there? Pity he wasnt caught at the Bangkok end, could of kept Mr Hoods company. Hope the Australian Authorities hang him high.....but I doubt it, he'll get bail & eventually end up with periodic detention or something like that.

Now lets just wait here & some bleeding heart will be along to tell us some sad story about this fool!

You are some sour jerk! 19 year old idiot he is, but it's drugs under a kilo....... he's just an fool. Sentence him to 15 years, make him do 5 and 10 on parol.That's a civilized sentence.You've forgotten the fact that taking a drug is your decision.If there was any justice in this world the government would be in jail for life for taxing and promoting the sale of achol and nicotine...................have killed 10000 more than smack...... in fact opium is a life extender in the hill tribes all the old men go on it...... lower BP and rhematitic pain

I've been called worse unforgiven, but I'm trying to understand what your initial point is about "but its drugs under a kilo.....he's just a fool".

Secondly, whilst I acknowledge that its his choice about what he does, has it not dawned on you that what he is doing is 'illegal', so irregardless of whose choice it is, its still illegal.

Anyway, after years of being abused by drug affected idiots, I guess I've earned the right to be a little sour. I just absolutely love the crack pots that come in here & take the high ground in relation to knowing all, after reading a couple of 'pro-drug broshures' at their local hemp party.

Ohh and another common arguement for the pro drug people is the constant referral to alcohol & nicotine....its a great arguement & I agree the with what you are saying about these costs of it.....no others match it....having said that, its a matter of legality, isnt it?

[Jai Dee]

As this topic continues to drift off course and arguments and trading personal insults seem to be preferred, I will close this thread pending any further news updates.

If any member finds any news bulletins that provide updates to the subject, please PM an online moderator who can re-open this topic for you.

/Closed.