justanothercybertosser Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 EC preparing charges against Suthep Flies in the face of red arguments, doesn't it. I wonder, if convicted, the Democrat Party will be dissolved as well. Interesting perspectives there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammered Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Apparently Khwanchai hasnt taken too well t th red shirts dissing him on stage on Saturday. He has removed their show from his station not to mention asked Mr. T to back him and his red shirts and not those of Jatuporn. It seems the huggy, smiley moment of saturday unity is suddenly back into the harsh glare of division and disunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 (edited) Just to compensate for Steve2UK's ever-present apologist mode... I guess a lot just depends on when and where the photos are taken... "apologist" for what exactly? I don't have any horse in this race. I don't "guess a lot just depends on when and where the photos are taken" - I know it. Just as I know selecting which photo's to show also colours the view - precisely the point I was making. Duh.......... Then it's good we both agree that at least for any number of the attendees, violence was the name of the game that night. I do hope you include there Government and Army as well under the "any number of attendees" as they were blocking a legal protest that had not the aim of illegally entering government offices. Our mutual acknowledgment was that those that attended and initiated violence was confined to Red Shirts. Edited February 2, 2009 by sriracha john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 I wonder, if convicted, the Democrat Party will be dissolved as well. I doubt there are legal grounds for this - it wasn't a national election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Apparently Khwanchai hasnt taken too well t th red shirts dissing him on stage on Saturday. He has removed their show from his station not to mention asked Mr. T to back him and his red shirts and not those of Jatuporn. It seems the huggy, smiley moment of saturday unity is suddenly back into the harsh glare of division and disunity. Will he now be putting a bounty on any "other Red Shirt contingent Leader" ? Or just invite them to Udon Thani for an old-fashioned bashing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve2UK Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Just to compensate for Steve2UK's ever-present apologist mode... I guess a lot just depends on when and where the photos are taken... "apologist" for what exactly? I don't have any horse in this race. I don't "guess a lot just depends on when and where the photos are taken" - I know it. Just as I know selecting which photo's to show also colours the view - precisely the point I was making. Duh.......... Then it's good we both agree that at least for any number of the attendees, violence was the name of the game that night. A non-sequitur - I've said no such thing. Put words in your own mouth - not mine. "any number" - meaning a lot of the attendees? "violence was the name of the game" - meaning that was their sole/main intention in being there? Nope - not my thinking at all and not what I said. I said "hotheads" - the guy brandishing the flag looks like he probably qualifies and I have no problem imagining that there was/were almost certainly another/more than one other........ even if the three photo's you later added just show 1] protesters at (moving?) a barricade, 2] protesters moving a section of fence aside and 3] a guy pushing against a riot shield with his hand (shock, horror). "apologist" for what exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammered Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Apparently Khwanchai hasnt taken too well t th red shirts dissing him on stage on Saturday. He has removed their show from his station not to mention asked Mr. T to back him and his red shirts and not those of Jatuporn. It seems the huggy, smiley moment of saturday unity is suddenly back into the harsh glare of division and disunity. Will he now be putting a bounty on any "other Red Shirt contingent Leader" ? Or just invite them to Udon Thani for an old-fashioned bashing? The upcountry areas that Jatuporn et al are welcome in have decreased in the last month or so. I guess we count Udon out now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justanothercybertosser Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Just to compensate for Steve2UK's ever-present apologist mode... I guess a lot just depends on when and where the photos are taken... "apologist" for what exactly? I don't have any horse in this race. I don't "guess a lot just depends on when and where the photos are taken" - I know it. Just as I know selecting which photo's to show also colours the view - precisely the point I was making. Duh.......... Then it's good we both agree that at least for any number of the attendees, violence was the name of the game that night. I do hope you include there Government and Army as well under the "any number of attendees" as they were blocking a legal protest that had not the aim of illegally entering government offices. Our mutual acknowledgment was that those that attended and initiated violence was confined to Red Shirts. You have a very interesting definition of "mutual", unless you now refer to yourself in pluralis majestatis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 (edited) Just to compensate for Steve2UK's ever-present apologist mode... I guess a lot just depends on when and where the photos are taken... "apologist" for what exactly? I don't have any horse in this race. I don't "guess a lot just depends on when and where the photos are taken" - I know it. Just as I know selecting which photo's to show also colours the view - precisely the point I was making. Duh.......... Then it's good we both agree that at least for any number of the attendees, violence was the name of the game that night. A non-sequitur - I've said no such thing. Put words in your own mouth - not mine. "any number" - meaning a lot of the attendees? "violence was the name of the game" - meaning that was their sole/main intention in being there? Nope - not my thinking at all and not what I said. I said "hotheads" - the guy brandishing the flag looks like he probably qualifies and I have no problem imagining that there was/were almost certainly another/more than one other........ even if the three photo's you later added just show 1] protesters at (moving?) a barricade, 2] protesters moving a section of fence aside and 3] a guy pushing against a riot shield with his hand (shock, horror). "apologist" for what exactly? I guess I meant "opinion"... which I'm sure is what you meant when you erroneously said "propaganda" regarding my posts. "Any number" means just that. It doesn't necessarily indicate "a lot" (however many that is), but irregardless I see that we are in agreement regarding the presence of some who did have violent thoughts and deeds... unless you are saying that climbing over barbed wired fences, or ramming fences down in trucks, or chasing soldiers with flagpoles is not "violent" only "hothead" (whatever the difference there is). Edited February 2, 2009 by sriracha john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Just to compensate for Steve2UK's ever-present apologist mode... I guess a lot just depends on when and where the photos are taken... "apologist" for what exactly? I don't have any horse in this race. I don't "guess a lot just depends on when and where the photos are taken" - I know it. Just as I know selecting which photo's to show also colours the view - precisely the point I was making. Duh.......... Then it's good we both agree that at least for any number of the attendees, violence was the name of the game that night. I do hope you include there Government and Army as well under the "any number of attendees" as they were blocking a legal protest that had not the aim of illegally entering government offices. Our mutual acknowledgment was that those that attended and initiated violence was confined to Red Shirts. You have a very interesting definition of "mutual", unless you now refer to yourself in pluralis majestatis. Not at all, I was merely stating to your butting into the discussion with what I had agreed to and to what I perceived the other party had agreed to (thus mutual). Subsequent to that, clarification was posted from the other party, and duly replied to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 (edited) It's satire, it doesn't "sum anything up". It does, look at the reaction in today's papers - no interest, "old issues" headline in the Nation, NCCC and EC investigating complains about Witoon and that other guy from Chart Thai, results due this week reagrdless of the red rally, and Kasit is not going anywhere anytime soon. Reds asked to revert consitution to back 1997 eidtion in two weeks - legally impossible, they are just bluffing. Even if they persuade Abhisit to replace the Foreign Minister - what is it going to achieve? Nothing. They'll just run out of reasons to protests. Agreed. It then becomes ho-hum time.... one of UDD's demands rebuked: Suthep: Government cannot rewrite Constitution Deputy Prime Minister expressed appreciation to the anti-government red-shirted group for its protesting in line with law, noting however the government could not yield to its demands, especailly that relating to abolishing the 2007 Constitution as it was beyond the administration's authority to do so. ThaiNews / 2009-02-01 -------------------------------------------- which is followed the next day by another of UDD's demands being turned away... PM not to dismiss FM Prime Minister Mr. Abihsit Vejjajiva expressed appreciation on Sunday (February 1) upon his return from attending the 39th World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, to the UDD for its peaceful gathering on Saturday which was in line with laws. However, he rejected the UDD’s proposal of dismissing Mr. Kasit within 15 days because the legal process against the former protester must be in line with the law. - ThaiNews / 2009-02-02 --------------------------------------------- But it sure is nice of both the PM and DPM to be to voice appreciation of UDD generally agreeing to abide to non-violence at their latest rally. As long as the violent elements of the UDD can be controlled perhaps this sort of mutual respect can signal an end to the divisiveness that has plagued the country. Instead of trying to continually drive a wedge into it like Thaksin. Edited February 2, 2009 by sriracha john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justanothercybertosser Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Just to compensate for Steve2UK's ever-present apologist mode... I guess a lot just depends on when and where the photos are taken... "apologist" for what exactly? I don't have any horse in this race. I don't "guess a lot just depends on when and where the photos are taken" - I know it. Just as I know selecting which photo's to show also colours the view - precisely the point I was making. Duh.......... Then it's good we both agree that at least for any number of the attendees, violence was the name of the game that night. I do hope you include there Government and Army as well under the "any number of attendees" as they were blocking a legal protest that had not the aim of illegally entering government offices. Our mutual acknowledgment was that those that attended and initiated violence was confined to Red Shirts. You have a very interesting definition of "mutual", unless you now refer to yourself in pluralis majestatis. Not at all, I was merely stating to your butting into the discussion with what I had agreed to and to what I perceived the other party had agreed to (thus mutual). Subsequent to that, clarification was posted from the other party, and duly replied to. I would be interested to know how then you perceive that the Red Shirts initiated the "violence"? I can't see having read this in any of the articles. We just read that they broke through barricades that were put up by the government against a perfectly legal protest march. Also, if i may ask, how do you compare Saturday's violence where no injured were reported with the "nonviolent" tactics of the PAD where police officers were stabbed, shot, run down with a pick up truck, etc.? Just out of interest, because i may have missed this, but i have not seen you only defending PAD tactics here, and not condemning their violence as you constantly do with the Red Shirts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Journalist Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 ^Because on saturday, they were nice 'yellow' Policemen, who know how not to hurt violent evil demonstators intent on urinating on government property. However, a few months back, the police were nasty 'red' policemen, looking for any opportunity to fire sharp tear gas canisters at point blank range at members of the public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpoint Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Shouldn't this thread be closed by now? Saturday is long gone, the blockade is non existant, the red shirts came, saw, got paid and buggered off. Huffing and puffing only works against a straw government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumnien Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Shouldn't this thread be closed by now? Saturday is long gone, the blockade is non existant, the red shirts came, saw, got paid and buggered off. Huffing and puffing only works against a straw government. You better learn to be patient, because this thread will be beat to death by PADofiles for a long long time, just like every other thread that gets beat to death. It's all the fun of TV! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xangsamhua Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 (edited) ^Because on saturday, they were nice 'yellow' Policemen, who know how not to hurt violent evil demonstators intent on urinating on government property.However, a few months back, the police were nasty 'red' policemen, looking for any opportunity to fire sharp tear gas canisters at point blank range at members of the public. No, they were border patrolmen, set up by a nasty government to kill and blow the limbs off unarmed people - 400 injured. The one honourable person on the government side - Gen. Chavalit - resigned immediately in consequence. Gen. Chamlong said recently there was almost a mutiny among the PAD guards. They were so sick of being fired upon that they wanted to buy guns and respond in kind. He had to talk them out of it, using the Buddhist "kamwen" argument - that reprisals just bring counter-reprisals and so on. It would be no surprise if some of the PAD guards lost their discipline and got stuck into the opposition. Edited February 2, 2009 by Xangsamhua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 (edited) Then it's good we both agree that at least for any number of the attendees, violence was the name of the game that night. I do hope you include there Government and Army as well under the "any number of attendees" as they were blocking a legal protest that had not the aim of illegally entering government offices. Our mutual acknowledgment was that those that attended and initiated violence was confined to Red Shirts. You have a very interesting definition of "mutual", unless you now refer to yourself in pluralis majestatis. Not at all, I was merely stating to your butting into the discussion with what I had agreed to and to what I perceived the other party had agreed to (thus mutual). Subsequent to that, clarification was posted from the other party, and duly replied to. I would be interested to know how then you perceive that the Red Shirts initiated the "violence"? I can't see having read this in any of the articles. We just read that they broke through barricades that were put up by the government against a perfectly legal protest march. Too borrow one of your posts... Reading is a science that not many master, or it seems so.Go and try to slowly read this post... interesting excerpt...The excitement seemed to mount then, and at the stroke of midnight Nattawut let out a roar and the truck he was on – and the crowd – surged forward and toppled the fence just a few feet in front of us. We turned and ran helter skelter to avoid being caught in the surge. Ramming down fences with large trucks while policemen and others are standing nearby.... good to see Red Shirts still using their typical well-thought-out thinking... Now as for.. Also, if i may ask, how do you compare Saturday's violence where no injured were reported with the "nonviolent" tactics of the PAD where police officers were stabbed, shot, run down with a pick up truck, etc.? I would say that Saturday was generally a non-violent rally. Now then, once they have had dozens and dozens and dozens of these non-violent rallies like what PAD did, perhaps then some comparisons can start to be made. Until, I think the UDD have now had what... 3 generally non-violent rallies? Just out of interest, because i may have missed this, but i have not seen you only defending PAD tactics here, and not condemning their violence as you constantly do with the Red Shirts... You have missed it. I've denounced the PAD on the rare occasions where their actions were violent. I usually refer to both groups in the generalities of their respective histories and am of the opinion that percentage-wise and relative to the number of rallies and number of attendees, that the Red Shirts have tended to be more violent. Edited February 2, 2009 by sriracha john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Journalist Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 I think we can make it to sixty pages if we all set our minds to it and squabble as much as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammered Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 I think we can make it to sixty pages if we all set our minds to it and squabble as much as possible. Do you have shares in TV or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Apparently Khwanchai hasnt taken too well t th red shirts dissing him on stage on Saturday. He has removed their show from his station not to mention asked Mr. T to back him and his red shirts and not those of Jatuporn. It seems the huggy, smiley moment of saturday unity is suddenly back into the harsh glare of division and disunity. Will he now be putting a bounty on any "other Red Shirt contingent Leader" ? Or just invite them to Udon Thani for an old-fashioned bashing? The upcountry areas that Jatuporn et al are welcome in have decreased in the last month or so. I guess we count Udon out now. don't count it out....next payment and all are friends again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpoint Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Shouldn't this thread be closed by now? Saturday is long gone, the blockade is non existant, the red shirts came, saw, got paid and buggered off. Huffing and puffing only works against a straw government. You better learn to be patient, because this thread will be beat to death by PADofiles for a long long time, just like every other thread that gets beat to death. It's all the fun of TV! I'm just stopping SRJ from having the monopoly on facetious posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumnien Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 One thing the Yellow farangs and Red farangs have in common is a hatred of oppressive, authoritarian governments who trample on the poor; it's just that farangs don't agree which is worse, Yellow or Red. Hopefully, there will be an orangering of the farang in time for Valentine's Day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumnien Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Shouldn't this thread be closed by now? Saturday is long gone, the blockade is non existant, the red shirts came, saw, got paid and buggered off. Huffing and puffing only works against a straw government. You better learn to be patient, because this thread will be beat to death by PADofiles for a long long time, just like every other thread that gets beat to death. It's all the fun of TV! I'm just stopping SRJ from having the monopoly on facetious posts With 83 posts you are challenging SRJ for domination of PAD relating posting? Are you nuts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpoint Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Shouldn't this thread be closed by now? Saturday is long gone, the blockade is non existant, the red shirts came, saw, got paid and buggered off. Huffing and puffing only works against a straw government. You better learn to be patient, because this thread will be beat to death by PADofiles for a long long time, just like every other thread that gets beat to death. It's all the fun of TV! I'm just stopping SRJ from having the monopoly on facetious posts With 83 posts you are challenging SRJ for domination of PAD relating posting? Are you nuts? I said facetious posts, with reference to his comments in the Dutchman thread. I'm but a grain of sand beneath the feet of SRJ when it comes to PAD posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmugFarangBore Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Instead of trying to continually drive a wedge into it like Thaksin. The wedge driving was done by the PAD, their influencial backers and to some extent the military and judiciary. Look at the damage they caused! As a result Thailand is more divided than it has ever been! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammered Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Instead of trying to continually drive a wedge into it like Thaksin. The wedge driving was done by the PAD, their influencial backers and to some extent the military and judiciary. Look at the damage they caused! As a result Thailand is more divided than it has ever been! In truth the peak of divison was probably a few months ago or maybe longer. Right now it seems things are a lot calmer and we are going through one of those lets see how the new lot does moments. Whether this contiues or not remains to be seen and certainly wont be easy considering the economy. However, for now the economy may be more of a sobering and stabilising factor than one of division. These times are interesting and not predictable but stability could go either way or even just stay as it is now. I would also say there are a few more groups to add to your list of those who have contributed to instability. It took two to do this tango, and taking the arguements of only one side or the other is to miss the nature of the power play imho. Stability and unity suit the side in power while the oppposite suits the side not in power. That doesnt really change but who is in power does. To date nobody has been able to break the ability of the side out of power to disrupt that in power. Whether that will change this time remains to be seen. Politcal conditions are suitable for the change but economic conditions may very well not be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbk Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 well, since the past two pages appear to be bickering, and the demonstration is now over, I think it is best if this thread is closed and the next demonstration can have its own thread //CLOSED// Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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