bazmlb Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Entertainment venues to be required to carry third-party insurance The Interior Ministry has announced it will require all entertainment venues to carry thirdparty insurance. "We're drafting a new ministerial regulation, and we want it to take effect about the middle of next month," Deputy Interior Minister Boonjong Wongtrairat said yesterday. He was speaking after chairing a meeting on entertainment venues. Relevant authorities have paid extra attention to entertainment venues after the huge fire that engulfed santika Pub at a New Year's Eve countdown party, killing at least 66 people and injuring many more. Read More "The Nation" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesjdaly Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Do the words 'horse' and stable door' leap to mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggsy Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 But Santika was not registered as an entertainment venue. It was registered as a food shop any was yet allowed to operate for years by the completely corrupt police who were making a considerable amount of money out of it. And therein lies the loophole that renders this latest bit of whitewashing pointless. Without enforcement all laws, police orders ministerial decrees are nothing but hot air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaiwatnok Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 But Santika was not registered as an entertainment venue. It was registered as a food shop any was yet allowed to operate for years by the completely corrupt police who were making a considerable amount of money out of it.And therein lies the loophole that renders this latest bit of whitewashing pointless. Without enforcement all laws, police orders ministerial decrees are nothing but hot air. indeed.... lots of hot air ....as was the government's offer to pay everyone's hospital bills.... just hot air, they now claim they never said it...even though it was in all thai newspapers and tv news bulletins my friend has a 345,000 bht bill, bangkok hospital were nice enough to give him a 50% discount....it was almost 700,000 bht.... ....an expensive new years eve night out !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazmlb Posted January 31, 2009 Author Share Posted January 31, 2009 But Santika was not registered as an entertainment venue. It was registered as a food shop any was yet allowed to operate for years by the completely corrupt police who were making a considerable amount of money out of it.And therein lies the loophole that renders this latest bit of whitewashing pointless. Without enforcement all laws, police orders ministerial decrees are nothing but hot air. indeed.... lots of hot air ....as was the government's offer to pay everyone's hospital bills.... just hot air, they now claim they never said it...even though it was in all thai newspapers and tv news bulletins my friend has a 345,000 bht bill, bangkok hospital were nice enough to give him a 50% discount....it was almost 700,000 bht.... ....an expensive new years eve night out !! So you can see from this the 100,000 per person they are talking about for venues to cover people will hardly go anywhere, even Golf courses here are not required to carry public liability insurance, so if you get hit by a ball or any other injury you would be on your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaivisaInsurance Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Which is why Medical Insurance is not a luxury but a necessity ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oevna Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 But Santika was not registered as an entertainment venue. It was registered as a food shop any was yet allowed to operate for years by the completely corrupt police who were making a considerable amount of money out of it.And therein lies the loophole that renders this latest bit of whitewashing pointless. Without enforcement all laws, police orders ministerial decrees are nothing but hot air. indeed.... lots of hot air ....as was the government's offer to pay everyone's hospital bills.... just hot air, they now claim they never said it...even though it was in all thai newspapers and tv news bulletins my friend has a 345,000 bht bill, bangkok hospital were nice enough to give him a 50% discount....it was almost 700,000 bht.... ....an expensive new years eve night out !! So you can see from this the 100,000 per person they are talking about for venues to cover people will hardly go anywhere, even Golf courses here are not required to carry public liability insurance, so if you get hit by a ball or any other injury you would be on your own. But most golf injuries only affect one person. As we saw, a night club burning down can have much worse consequences. I think it's safe to say that there are fire hazards in many entertainment venues in Thailand (probably even the ones that are licensed as such). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davethailand Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 We have fire and public liability insurance in the bar already but i will certainly be looking into this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieFarang Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Do the words 'horse' and stable door' leap to mind? Maybe an updated Building and Fire code that are actually enforced and followed up would be better than third party insurance cover to compensate the dead and injured. What a country.!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Do the words 'horse' and stable door' leap to mind? Maybe an updated Building and Fire code that are actually enforced and followed up would be better than third party insurance cover to compensate the dead and injured. What a country.!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpoint Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Maybe you could offer the punters insurance when they pay the door charge. "That'll be 2000 baht for entrance fee, and, for a small extra charge, how about insurance? The premium depends on the type of cover, from a spilled drink, through accidental stamping on foot on the dance floor, burning your mouth on a hot spring roll, getting in a fight, losing your girl to a better dancer, up to the all inclusive burning the place down. Money well spent sir!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 As a previous poster said, Santika wasn't licensed as an entertainment venue. A lot of the places that should be licensed, aren't. The police haven't granted them licenses, in part, because they can't collect large sums of money. So this law will be a farce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumball Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Nah , I think you have all missed the clever(Foxy) rational , it is okay to go partying again in all of these unsafe venues so that we can still take our cut because now you will all be insured , even if you do burn to death . There is an old sailors adage "Pull the ladder up Jack , I'M ON BOARD ' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Ok so they require insurance, just like they require "safety" compliance. The thing is that if they don't enforce it, it becomes another useless law. They would do better to have a proper inspection unit that had the power to immediately close venues, or to post a rating. If you look at some major cities, the local health authorities oblige the restos to post the quality standard at the door, A, B, C etc. Won't happen in my lifetime, but it's a nice dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumball Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Ok so they require insurance, just like they require "safety" compliance. The thing is that if they don't enforce it, it becomes another useless law. They would do better to have a proper inspection unit that had the power to immediately close venues, or to post a rating. If you look at some major cities, the local health authorities oblige the restos to post the quality standard at the door, A, B, C etc. Won't happen in my lifetime, but it's a nice dream. You are forgetting one very important factor , this is THAILAND , you do not nor likely never will have a say in how it is run or controlled , you just happen to be an unwanted guest(?) just shut the fork up , pay your dues or leave , only the wanabees have a vested dream to dream . Only when you have learned to live in the restrictive environment of the jungle , eating low vitamin content food will you be allowed to voice an opinion , until then , <deleted> please . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selftaopath Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 But Santika was not registered as an entertainment venue. It was registered as a food shop any was yet allowed to operate for years by the completely corrupt police who were making a considerable amount of money out of it.And therein lies the loophole that renders this latest bit of whitewashing pointless. Without enforcement all laws, police orders ministerial decrees are nothing but hot air. Thank you for your Truthful and accurate post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 The problem seems to be that the police tend to deny entertainment licences routinely because they want to collect monthly rent for allowing them to operate without a licence, as mentioned in posts above. In addition, entertainment places, at least the smaller ones, don't particularly want an entertainment licence because of the excise tax imposed on luxuries like massages and entertainment places by the Thaksin government in 2003. For entertainment places this is I think a whopping 10% of top line revenues. Santika therefore owes a huge amount of back excise tax. For most small places they could easily pay 10 times as much in excise tax as they have to pay the police and the police payment is inclusive of turning a blind eye to late opening and other things too. Somehow I don't think Santika will change much. After the hand wringing has died down it will be back to business as usual. The Abhisit govt has made clear that it is too weak and too indebted to take on the military over human rights abuses and it also has too much on its plate to take on the police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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