Briton Killed In Motorcycle Crash Appeared Drunk

[JimsKnight]

If it had been a Thai guy that had been seen to swerve across the road killing himself and severely injuring the British guy there would have been 300 Posts slamming Thai people with no objections to SRJ's post at all.

I see nothing wrong with SRJ's post. Besides, most Farangs I know drink and drive, be it motorcycle or car, so whats new.

I know, I know, Thai Visa members never drink and drive, I'm on about the real world, not the make believe world of Farangs after they reinvent themselves on an anonymous Internet forum.

Well said Maijo!

You're starting to post it cool these days!

[bruceboy]

Whatever the reason, RIP.

[Sisaketmike]

Is it really necessary to post unsubstantiated garbage like this?

I appreciate that you feel you are doing the readers a service with your cut and paste effort, but does this mean that you have to throw away basic decency and fairplay? Most of us have zero tolerance for drinking and driving, but many of us also believe in the concept of innocent until proven guilty. The fact that the Nation printed it, does not justify repeating the allegation. The Nation isn't known for accuracy is it? For all we know, the deceased may have been diabetic, had a stroke and didn't realize what was happening, or had a neuromuscular condition that produced the slurring of speech and slight stagger (assuming anyone even saw that). Or, he just might not have been impaired. This is why there are autopsies, so that one can know for sure without destroying a person's reputation. This kind of statement wouldn't be made by a responsible news organization.

Briton killed in road accident in Chonburi

Chonburi - A British tourist, who appeared drunk, was killed here Sunday morning when his motorcycle crashed into an incoming motorcycle.- The Nation / 2009-03-15

If there were eye witness reports that the individual had been staggering, or gave off alcohol fumes, I wouldn't say anything. In the absence of substantiated eye witness statements and more importantly EVIDENCE such as a blood alcohol measurement, it is unfair to make such a statement.

Hi. I strongly believe that any speculations about his death couldn't bring him back to life. They'll have to write something about the result of the blood test soon. Sorry for all who were involved. Also the Thai, (family) we live in their country. I can't understand why some people here are trying to make the Thai guilty?

[thaismiles]

The Nation 'news' paper is complete garbage.

[robblok]

If this idiot did drink and drive its a dam shame i hate people like that. To drink and drive is just criminal, if you were only hurting yourself ok. But usualy they kill innocent people with their stupidity.

I hope the Thai family will get some compensation from the Brit's money if he was in fact drunk.

[snuggzzz]

Chaimai......... I agree with your sentiments exactly, my condolences to the family and friends of the departed may he Rest In Peace. As for the Thai involved, I wish him a speedy recovery from his wounds and that his family are not reduced financially because of his hospitalisation and accident.

As for the cause, no doubt that will be presented to all interested parties in due course.

[TPI]

If this idiot did drink and drive its a dam shame i hate people like that. To drink and drive is just criminal, if you were only hurting yourself ok. But usualy they kill innocent people with their stupidity.

I hope the Thai family will get some compensation from the Brit's money if he was in fact drunk.

Sh*t happens, it was his turn to die....either way he probably didn't even see it coming. Why all the angst about one farang going to God....if he was in any way religious he has done himself a favour

If you don't buy the paper or even read it second hand what right have you to criticize..how do you know the information is wrong?? I too hope that the innocent rider will be compensated !

[Junglejumbo]

Too much information that we don't know here. Was he returning home or going out to work, or buy some food for his family? Did he swerve to miss hitting a dog or another animal, or even a person? Was it on a bend?

Could he have just fallen to sleep? A tire burst? Why isn't there an alcohol measurement? I am tired of the guilty before evidence verdicts that the extremely unprofessional Thai press always come up with.

Were there any witnesses besides the other motorcycle rider? Had the Thai rider just returned home or going out? Are there pics of the foreigner crashing on the other side of the road? Who saw it? Could it have been made to look like that?

[scottyd]

The evidence we need is all there for us to know what really happened. He was a Brit therefore it must have been his fault.

R.I.P. a sad day for both parties.

[JimsKnight]

What machine was he on?

Big big boomer or small scooter pootering about?

[animatic]

The deceased drivers appearance of ability to function is germain to the report.

If he 'appeared drunk', then 'something' may have been impairing his functioining normally,

and THAT would be pertinent to his accident.

It is of course sad and RIP, but until an autopsy proves something,

the witness reports are ALSO what the police have to go on.

The essence is; the man died after loosing control of his vehicle

and appeared not be in control of himself at some point prior to his demise.

It's news, it's not pretty, but it is a valid newspaper story, and thus subject to excerpt

and linking here. It is not an arbitrary attack in people from the UK.

SJ go about your business.

I don't like all you put up, but that's of no consequence,

I rarely like every thing an ANY journal I read.

Life is not a pretty picture to support anyones rose color preferences.

Edited March 15, 2009 by animatic

[sriracha john]

Article (in Thai) and photo on Mr. Mann's death in Thai Rath newspaper:

http://www.thairath.co.th/online.php?secti...;content=127977

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News video link of the scene. * WARNING: CONTAINS VERY GRAPHIC CONTENT *

http://76.nationchannel.com/playvideo.php?id=30230

Edited March 15, 2009 by sriracha john

[hgma]

I cant agree more

lets stick to the fact

prove matters not rumour.

I pay my respect to family and friends of the deseased.

may he rest in peace

HGMA

Is it really necessary to post unsubstantiated garbage like this?

I appreciate that you feel you are doing the readers a service with your cut and paste effort, but does this mean that you have to throw away basic decency and fairplay? Most of us have zero tolerance for drinking and driving, but many of us also believe in the concept of innocent until proven guilty. The fact that the Nation printed it, does not justify repeating the allegation. The Nation isn't known for accuracy is it? For all we know, the deceased may have been diabetic, had a stroke and didn't realize what was happening, or had a neuromuscular condition that produced the slurring of speech and slight stagger (assuming anyone even saw that). Or, he just might not have been impaired. This is why there are autopsies, so that one can know for sure without destroying a person's reputation. This kind of statement wouldn't be made by a responsible news organization.

Briton killed in road accident in Chonburi

Chonburi - A British tourist, who appeared drunk, was killed here Sunday morning when his motorcycle crashed into an incoming motorcycle.- The Nation / 2009-03-15

If there were eye witness reports that the individual had been staggering, or gave off alcohol fumes, I wouldn't say anything. In the absence of substantiated eye witness statements and more importantly EVIDENCE such as a blood alcohol measurement, it is unfair to make such a statement.

[unforgiven]

Is it really necessary to post unsubstantiated garbage like this?

I appreciate that you feel you are doing the readers a service with your cut and paste effort, but does this mean that you have to throw away basic decency and fairplay? Most of us have zero tolerance for drinking and driving, but many of us also believe in the concept of innocent until proven guilty. The fact that the Nation printed it, does not justify repeating the allegation. The Nation isn't known for accuracy is it? For all we know, the deceased may have been diabetic, had a stroke and didn't realize what was happening, or had a neuromuscular condition that produced the slurring of speech and slight stagger (assuming anyone even saw that). Or, he just might not have been impaired. This is why there are autopsies, so that one can know for sure without destroying a person's reputation. This kind of statement wouldn't be made by a responsible news organization.

Briton killed in road accident in Chonburi

Chonburi - A British tourist, who appeared drunk, was killed here Sunday morning when his motorcycle crashed into an incoming motorcycle.- The Nation / 2009-03-15

If there were eye witness reports that the individual had been staggering, or gave off alcohol fumes, I wouldn't say anything. In the absence of substantiated eye witness statements and more importantly EVIDENCE such as a blood alcohol measurement, it is unfair to make such a statement.

I agree 100% the nation is a rag!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Pakeha]

The strap of his helmet cut into his throat, police said.

To me, this was the interesting part of the story. Of course, the exact cause of death won't be known without an autopsy.

If they are going to require compliance with a helmet law, don't allow those spit buckets frequently worn by cyclists satisfy the law. Require motorcyclists to wear proper DOT-certified full-faced helmets. Condolences to the friends and families of the victim.

RIP to the deceased and best wishes for a speedy recovery to the injured.

I agree with you zap. He may have been drunk. He may not have. I think the underlying message here is make sure you wear a helmet correctly. It appears he had a good quality helmet on but by the sounds of the article maybe it was not done up correctly.

Very sad indeed if just doing up the strap correctly could have prevented his death.

[Chang_paarp]

Given that the event occured on the perifery of Pattaya, I'm surprised that the article was not posted in the Pattaya news section. The content was a lot more undersstandable than many of the "news" reports posted there from the local press.

As to the unfortunated demise of another person on a motorcycle again not an uncommon event in the area. The most disturbing thing in the OP was that the deceased rider was wearing a helmet and was nearly decaptiated by the strap, this leads one to sumise he had not put it on correctly. I hope it was quick.

[imaneggspurt]

Is it really necessary to post unsubstantiated garbage like this?

I appreciate that you feel you are doing the readers a service with your cut and paste effort, but does this mean that you have to throw away basic decency and fairplay? Most of us have zero tolerance for drinking and driving, but many of us also believe in the concept of innocent until proven guilty. The fact that the Nation printed it, does not justify repeating the allegation. The Nation isn't known for accuracy is it? For all we know, the deceased may have been diabetic, had a stroke and didn't realize what was happening, or had a neuromuscular condition that produced the slurring of speech and slight stagger (assuming anyone even saw that). Or, he just might not have been impaired. This is why there are autopsies, so that one can know for sure without destroying a person's reputation. This kind of statement wouldn't be made by a responsible news organization.

Briton killed in road accident in Chonburi

Chonburi - A British tourist, who appeared drunk, was killed here Sunday morning when his motorcycle crashed into an incoming motorcycle.- The Nation / 2009-03-15

If there were eye witness reports that the individual had been staggering, or gave off alcohol fumes, I wouldn't say anything. In the absence of substantiated eye witness statements and more importantly EVIDENCE such as a blood alcohol measurement, it is unfair to make such a statement.

It happened on sio khao noi ,that 3 killed on there in as many months,.

[loong]

Anybody read the Thai version in the posted link?

I'm afraid that I'm really no good at reading Thai, especially newspaper Thai.

From what I understand and I may be wrong. He was observed weaving back and forth and driving at an excessive speed.

A young girlfriend was at the scene crying, but I'm not sure if his gf or not.

I don't know if this is the same man or not - same name and age.....4th story

"British man can't get into toilet"

http://www.pattayatoday.net/index.php?acti...ews&id=1975

[imaneggspurt]

Gentleman and lady,s

I am a newby on the forum,but read thai-visa news more than 8 years.

Sometimes i am wondering the comments from the members.I didnd see a toppic without crittics .

Why are you a member,to spit out your anger or are you all bored and now better.

the moderators dooing a good job and hope they go on with bringing the news.

Or to put it another way ,arent there some bigoted bastards on this forum ! ,would they be spitting vemom if it was a member of their family ?,.

[bkkjames]

Gentleman and lady,s

I am a newby on the forum,but read thai-visa news more than 8 years.

Sometimes i am wondering the comments from the members.I didnd see a toppic without crittics .

Why are you a member,to spit out your anger or are you all bored and now better.

the moderators dooing a good job and hope they go on with bringing the news.

ok mate, you feel better now that you got that off your chest?

[animatic]

Well noting the Pattaya Today piece with

a Gavin Mann of approximately the same age and description as the deceased.

Even so close as wearing similar camo pants as the guy down in the street.

This fellow is sitting in stir for clocking a waitress with a table... because he couldn't pee,

and claiming no memory, because he was so drunk...

And then 'another' Gavin Mann... winding up dead allegedly

from alcohol abuse and motorcycles.

There seems a pattern here. To put it nicely.

How many Gavin Manns are there in Pattaya,

that drink so hard that they can't remember stuff?

One must wonder.

I think the reporter was given back story about the victim.

Who was well known to the local constabulary....

My 2¢

Edited March 16, 2009 by animatic

[Junglejumbo]

Thanks to the previous poster for his info from the Pattaya Today...and here it is. Well, I am proud that so many of us were prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt in this forum.

British man can't get into toilet

Batters bar girl in retaliation Police rushed to the Foxy bar in soi eight after the owner complained that a farang customer had struck one of her staff with a plastic table before crashing a bottle of beer on her head. Officers discovered that British tourist Gavin Mann, around 40, had been drinking steadily at the bar and was then overcome by the call of nature. Arriving unsteadily at the men's relief room, he found the door locked because Miss Pim Keangkan, aged 26 and a serving lady, was inside feeling sick and nursing her tummy. In vain, did Mr Mann batter on the door and demand that she vacate for a more urgent case.It was only later that Miss Pim emerged back into the public domain where an inebriated Mr Mann took hold of a plastic table and then a beer bottle which he used with most unpleasant results. She was taken to hospital with lacerations and bruises, whilst the Britisher was escorted to the police lock-up. He was due in court on October 27, still maintaining that he had no recollection of his foul deed brought on by booze.

[dasy]

Hear hear! i get tired of the Brit = drunk syndrome.

Cheers, Rick

It is not a syndrome Rick!

Cheers

David

[scottyd]

Well it's what he gets.

[JimsKnight]

Am I right in suggesting the helmet strap is what did him in?

The helmet looks nearly intact.

Or am I the only biker to wear the helmet strap tightly 'across' the chin, as opposed to underneath it ???

[loong]

Am I right in suggesting the helmet strap is what did him in?

The helmet looks nearly intact.

Or am I the only biker to wear the helmet strap tightly 'across' the chin, as opposed to underneath it ???

Did you look at the video link? There was a warning that it was graphic, so I didn't.

The report said that his trachea was crushed, so I imagine that the helmet was loose and shifted so the strap put pressure on his throat

[TexasRanger]

I think that if he didn't have the strap done up properly it could have cause some damage to the throat, it looks (from the blood ) that he was propelled feet first for some distance from the one picture I saw, I find it hard to believe that this was the cause of death. I would say wait for the PM but after reading all the reports about one of Thailand's top coroners and her ghost stories I have little faith here.

[dave111223]

Is this a common injury to receive from a helmet, or a freak incident?

I have a full face helmet and i always figured it was making me safer... but looking at the video the helmet isn't even scratched, and he doesn't look that beaten up, yet the strap killed him...

The bikes don't even look that bashed up.

Starting to worry i might get in a fender bender and get my throat cut...

[taxexile]

from the video , it looked like a broken neck.

[TexasRanger]

from the video , it looked like a broken neck.

They obviously don't care about a post mortem examination the way those retards picked up the body.