San Shou (chinese Boxing) In Bkk

[lildragon]

I have tried in Vain to find a martial arts school in BKK that teaches San Shou.

I like Muay Thai but I studied Chinese Boxing in England and would like to combine the two if I find a school!

Anybody know a place?

[JKD]

Mark Stewart (www.ijkd.com) used to teach a sanshou class, but lack of interest meant it didn't last long. He's still teaching jeet kune do in Bangkok at boxer-rebellion.net and sometimes brings sanshou elements into the class.

[joes125]

I have tried in Vain to find a martial arts school in BKK that teaches San Shou.

I like Muay Thai but I studied Chinese Boxing in England and would like to combine the two if I find a school!

Anybody know a place?

yes, try boxer-rebellion on soi 13- they teach jeetkunedo, bruce lee's martail art which one could say is real san shou

they got alot of great stuff too check out Eddie Quinn( one of UK top muay thai teachers) coming next month to teach something called " The Approach" seminar( a really effective system)

sanshou is not really a style

if you go to two different teaches they will show you two differnet things-its still good stuff though

unlike wushu it is not really a standard system

[Tingnongnoi]

I have tried in Vain to find a martial arts school in BKK that teaches San Shou.

I like Muay Thai but I studied Chinese Boxing in England and would like to combine the two if I find a school!

Anybody know a place?

check out Eddie Quinn( one of UK top muay thai teachers) coming next month to teach something called " The Approach" seminar( a really effective system)

never heard of him, who has he trained?

[joes125]

I have tried in Vain to find a martial arts school in BKK that teaches San Shou.

I like Muay Thai but I studied Chinese Boxing in England and would like to combine the two if I find a school!

Anybody know a place?

check out Eddie Quinn( one of UK top muay thai teachers) coming next month to teach something called " The Approach" seminar( a really effective system)

never heard of him, who has he trained?

please google him- The Approach as I do not live in UK and am mentaly retrded from too muay muaythai kicks to the head I cannnot rememeber

a few names come to light

bob spour was one, he trains under chris parker, a silat genius( my God, see that man move)

the top scotland yard defence teacher ( who instantly endoresed it- he will be there)

if you go any UK forum you see raves about it

I am so confident in him - so impressed i welcome you to come, and if you do not like it- no need to pay, no questions asked.No catches, no extras...

I would love to hear people thoughts

I am retired and not in this for the money, just wanna get some good training out there that matches modern day needs( I am working on a programe for children and ladys of thailand to teach national, any ideas?)

we can meet and i can lend you his DVD

every once in a while someone like eddie comes along- and when they do, I love to share it

you are most welcome

[Gerry290]

I have tried in Vain to find a martial arts school in BKK that teaches San Shou.

I like Muay Thai but I studied Chinese Boxing in England and would like to combine the two if I find a school!

Anybody know a place?

check out Eddie Quinn( one of UK top muay thai teachers) coming next month to teach something called " The Approach" seminar( a really effective system)

never heard of him, who has he trained?

please google him- The Approach as I do not live in UK and am mentaly retrded from too muay muaythai kicks to the head I cannnot rememeber

a few names come to light

bob spour was one, he trains under chris parker, a silat genius( my God, see that man move)

the top scotland yard defence teacher ( who instantly endoresed it- he will be there)

if you go any UK forum you see raves about it

I am so confident in him - so impressed i welcome you to come, and if you do not like it- no need to pay, no questions asked.No catches, no extras...

I would love to hear people thoughts

I am retired and not in this for the money, just wanna get some good training out there that matches modern day needs( I am working on a programe for children and ladys of thailand to teach national, any ideas?)

we can meet and i can lend you his DVD

every once in a while someone like eddie comes along- and when they do, I love to share it

you are most welcome

Retarded from too many years in Nana Plaza I d say. (I wonder in all those years did you ever make it to Soi cowboy)

Lovely little lassies in soi cowboy, some bar called bareback or outback, swing herself 2 meters into box splits between 2 silver poles & the BOOM drops to floor in splits & FM Boots! YEE GADS!!! I 'd ate 10 km of her <deleted> with a wooden spoon if I knew here arse was at the end of it!!!!

BOB SPOUR top guy. did not meet him yet, aside from when he tried to shoot me in crossmaglen all those years back,

but no point in carry on school yard rows of 20 years back. Been on email to him. He is top NLP expert in the UK too, ex SAS, obviously a Muay Thai 2nd wave pioneer in UK next generation after Master Toddys & Skens & Woody.

I think Bob Spour sent up over 600 Muay Thai clubs globally or something similar, & best of all

his basic combatives for self defense, if you youtube bob spour SAS combatives, it is excellent street orientated

basic stuff, as Bob says "YOU MUST BE FOOKIN AGGRESSSIVE!!!!!" He actually accidentally fractured with

a not full power open hand slap, the skull of this training partner in the video clips on youtube when filming the clip.

When they were making the SAS Fight Secrets DVDs, Richie Grannon Bobs demo man in the vids, was posting nightly

on geoff thompsons old forum & was telling us Bob cracked his skull in a bad fracture, he his power & aggression with open handed combatives strikes for street self defense... amazing stuff.

Yep Bob Spour is a top dude, & walks the walk.

Slan Leat!

G

[Tingnongnoi]

you have obviously missed the latest news about Bob then and his S.A.S claims, he was recently exposed as having never been in the S.A.S, was a big talking point as he was making a living on the back of the claims on t.v at the time. Not sure he set up anywhere near that many clubs either and not exactly known for having produced many top fighters in U.K

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/...is-a-fraud.html

[Gerry290]

you have obviously missed the latest news about Bob then and his S.A.S claims, he was recently exposed as having never been in the S.A.S, was a big talking point as he was making a living on the back of the claims on t.v at the time. Not sure he set up anywhere near that many clubs either and not exactly known for having produced many top fighters in U.K

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/...is-a-fraud.html

Wow! No I never heard this. I read that link, then I figured, ah "The Sun" can spin a good yarn.

So I am just after hitting a few UK Forums both army & ex army & especially self protection

forum which actually was Geoff Thompson's forum, & few years back 2005 I think, Geoff could

not commit the time anymore to personally answers questions & posts & Geoff was closing the

forum down. So a few of the lads on the UK Combatives scene, asked Geoff, if they could keep

forum running. (Geoff was taking it off line totally). So Geoff gave the lads the forum to run.

Used to be a brilliant forum Denis Martin & many top guys posting on there, though most have

moved on from it.

Back to the point almost a dozen top UK combatives instructors reality base self defense,

many British Combat Assoc guys, each had their own Q & A section on the forum &

one was Bob Spour & very helpful to answer questions re any sort of Martial Arts questions,

(not a military forum so things like SAS or other guys ex army experience usually was not

discussed).

I remember 20 years ago actually 22 or 23 reading Combat Mag, & Bob Spour was a featured writer

each month back then, he was mainly MT focused, though as you know well too, back in 1980s

many MT lads fought under kick boxing rules too. (I think because not as many full Muay Thai

fight cards back in 80s as now, so kick boxing fight better than having no MT bouts). I remember

he used to write about full contact kick boxing too back then.

I only read a few months back, an article where he said he set up 600+ MT or MA schools globally,

& I was thinking, that's a bit of a tall order, when it was I think just Bob & some other guy.

Opening 600 locations of any business globally in a few years, your talking have massive investors

or Venture Capital etc, with a long break even time frame. Interestingly I was not skeptical (not that

way by nature) but I was more curious as to HOW he set up 600 locations globally & really at that level

we are not talking same language of owning 1 or 2 or 6 Martial Arts gyms, we are talking the language of Accountants, R.O.I. , spread sheets, & London City.

SO LOL! On reflection if it was 6 or 12 gyms yes, but 600! (of course in article I read, the impression was he owned all of the 600 gyms, or the larger share of them & was hands on in setting the 600 up in 3 years or something). I was thinking, I wish I knew what he knew.... I could get 5 people to the regular ongoing local krav maga pattaya class instead of 4 people on a busy day!!!

Back to this SAS claim. Bob Spour being saying he was ex SAS for almost 20 years.

Now I knew the SAS Fight Secrets in name was a bit of hype to sell the DVD s as someone I know who was in SAS to early 80s told me, they did no hand to hand stuff at all, there was no time, re all the other important training, & with a sterling sub machine gun & a browning 9mm was not on the list. (though I think he did say, those with anti terrorist role, might have done a little) nearest thing told me was very rare training with knife like Fairbairn knife if a special role might require as back up.

So UK plenty of men served in SAS or in Units non SAS but with overlaps in the training & specialism such as DET (I think 14th Intelligence??? ) who worked undercover Northern Ireland etc.

I just amazed that someone would have the Gonads to make for many years such a bold statement that they served in SAS & get away with it for gut for 20 years. (There is war on some of the Reality Based Self Defence UK Forums, about this. I had to stop myself from reading or I be on the net for the next 3 days! LOL....

I still think Bob Spours use of Simple Combatives in (SAS Secrets DVD... much of which is on youtube, always consider that hype marketing. some way Krav Maga, has been blown up with hype marketing to be some sort of "magic pill" fancy health club types take, & all of a sudden they have the fighting prowess of special forces... whose job it is to use a gun, not bar room brawl. and those KM hype mcdojos hardly id at all would even spar never mind do a 1 minute all out pressure test ala Geoff Thompson.)

So yeah, I think Spours use of basic combatives in the clips on youtube etc is still excellent, (forget the SAS bs etc), combative plam strikes, tiger claws (all Fairbairm stuff) is easy to learn, not much skill as such as 90% mental aggro is usually the factor that wins on street). So for the simple gross motor strikes & moves of "combatives" as Bob Spour saud "FOOKIN AGGRESSION" for sure, 10/10, I think all the

as he called it & so did Andy "McNabb" Mitchel use same phraze in this 2nd book ( which I think is his best book as per bio of all his army life from Green Jackets on etc) - "Jap Slappin" (maybe Bob got the word from Mitchels book lol!) its just basic combatives & Spour showed them very well.

I just cannot understand how anyone can make a claim re SAS for years, & aside from the BS of it,

as liars always get found out eventually, the risk if someone exposing him was there for years. I am amazed aside from the BS, how he got away with it for so long.

He is very good I hear reports at NLP & is certified as Master Trainer in NLP under Richard Bandler (I think it Bandler he is under, NLP is all splintered like martial arts politics) & UK Combatives Instructor who is excellent Lee Morrison Urban Combatives recently did his NLP Practioners cert ( I am certified nlp pract level too, via Bandler & Irish Institute of NLP), & Spours good at the NLP and that probably why he got away with the SAS story for so long, as NLP simple as it is, can be a great subconscious tool to influence someone, re NLP use in Sales & Marketing.

You think he'd have had a bit more sense, than to make a claim re SAS. (Its a silly think to have done, writing on well to be exposed on that front).

Aside from that, I hear he is a nice chap, its a pity to see re false SAS claims blowing his credibility.

Re Mauy Thai development in the UK & indeed Ireland, Master Toddy (Sken, Woodie ) was the driving force & Toddy brought MT to Ireland via Fire Dragon Pai Lum Kung <deleted> schools in Ireland.

Now we know Toddy had strong champs, Howard Brown & Ronnie Green. (Indeed both KO world champion Gerry Kidd from Dublin under WAKO kickboxing rules. Gerry was going to fight again at 40 about 7 years back, & have a go a world title, & I used to spar 4 or 5 nights a week with him in preparation, but illness put end to his world title plan, he was 42... not same as when he was World Champ in his late 20s before Ronnie Green, took that title).

Anyway no doubt Toddy had champs, but I often in Ireland & Uk, people into MT, said the early late 70s way Toddy & Sken were teaching was not full MT, as they were <deleted> Tae Kwon do black belts who did Muay Thai, though maybe not as full pros as the Thai Fighters live & train here. People with respect to Toddy, I hear over the years, it was not just 100% real deal MT... (If you get gist of my question?).

Is just out of interest re MA History in UK & Ireland, re the early days of MT correct? (etc ?)

Thanks for Link! I am so surprised, I was sort of a forum buddy of Bobs year back & I cannot fathom why make such a claim so easy to get found out too, & indeed as i said its a pity (leaving aside the 600 schools thing) to see a guy who was well know on UK martial arts scene for 25 years, making an ejit of himself at 55 years old.

I cannot stand BS 'ers!

Cheers

G

[Tingnongnoi]

yes that sounds pretty much right. the Thai Masters introduced the sport to u.k back in the day, but their actual background and experience of the sport here in Thailandis a bit sketchy to say the least, claims of 250 wins for one of them in Thailand, but when I spoke with a former Lumpini champion in his 60's he reckoned the person making that claim never had a fight. Unfortunately the whole martial arts/muaythai scene attracts Walter Mitty types by the truckload

[Gerry290]

yes that sounds pretty much right. the Thai Masters introduced the sport to u.k back in the day, but their actual background and experience of the sport here in Thailandis a bit sketchy to say the least, claims of 250 wins for one of them in Thailand, but when I spoke with a former Lumpini champion in his 60's he reckoned the person making that claim never had a fight. Unfortunately the whole martial arts/muaythai scene attracts Walter Mitty types by the truckload

"bit sketchy to say the least" ;-) aye same same as a I heard from few different lads over the years who

were either in MT or kick boxers who vs many of the MT lads in kickbox rules bouts in the 80s. Then when

I asked a few other early days guys of UK & Ireland MT beginnings, they reacted as If I committed a mortal

sin when I asked. (Just a bit of trivia, I was curious about. ) Sure if it was only a few bouts either had &

the story one told in Black Belt mag in 80s, that due to clinch skills, he survived death when a crocodile

attacked him & ended up killing the croc with elbows, was not a true story ...

they did produce & train some excellent fighters from early MT days in UK & Ireland, &

and took a few World titles & European titles in kick boxing from us Mugendo lads in Ireland.

(not me! lol! I did have an Irish title 1 year, but kick boxing is so fragmented there was about

40 other middle weight Irish champs the same year! LOL!!!

I found on youtube the other day Howard Brown (name?) from Toddy MT destroying from club I was in,

Gerry Kidd who was top of the ladder of years. Brown destroyed Gerry in this clip, over in 40 seconds,

& took world title WAKO kick boxing I recall.

I think both of the early days names in UK, had trained in Tae Kwon Do to good decent levels before moving to UK,

when not killing Croc's with clinch skills. is n't it the kids from the well off families get to do TKD.

Back on to the Bob Spour SAS thingy, it was funny to read, several months before Bob

was exposed, "Sargent" Jim Wagner was exposed having strongly lied about 80% of his CV,

& his claimed SWAT Counter Terrorist work. turns out he did 18 months in US Army, & later

a year as a reserve part time beat policeman & apparently trumped it all up & slipped into

the US Air Marshals in post 9-11 days, without the correct qualifications, he allied & co seminars

in early 2000s with Moni Aziak of Commando (stifling a laugh - excuse me!) Krav Maga

whose IDF "special forces" service, was also exposed as complete BS last year & his claims

of flying to Israel each month "contracted to teach very elite units" was a total lie, (much press about his case).

Yeah your correct, there is a high level of Walter Mitty crap in Martial Arts & esp the Self Defense

sector these days, it is embarrassing. (lucky I had 18 or 19 years kick boxing in, before I ever hear

of Krav Maga & kept the boxing up, separate to the KM.).

Martial Arts in general, in my experience, was training about 1000 times harder when I started in 84,

when Wado ryu karate was changing to kick boxing. Karate guys in UK & Ireland were hard & trained

hard, my seniors & Sensei who started in the 60s. 100s & 100s of basic each class, & scrappy

hard sparring, I look at fancy dojo 's I see today around the world, & 95% would not have

lasted a week, I am not sure how I stuck it out as a junior (2 jnrs in the club) other 15 or so

were country men who all worked as navvies on construction, hard lot! Ouch!

For Self Defense & coming from that harder generation before me, the best Instructor

who has the experience, for civilian "outside the chipper" self defense is Geoff Thompson.

Geoff was asked few years back, why he never taught knife defenses & weapons defenses,

& he being the nice humble guy he is replied somethig like

" Because I feel I do not have the real world experience to be qualified enough to teach knife defense"

Geoff Thompson stands out as being one of the best (re reality civilian self defense) & no "commando" yarns

out of Geoff!

Cheers

G