webfact Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 (edited) CLEMENCY BID FOR THAKSIN Reds hunt a million signatures this month By The Nation Published on July 2, 2009 But Democrats say petition improper, opposed by public The red shirts yesterday set a target to gather one million signatures within a month to petition His Majesty the King to pardon ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra. Veera Musigapong, one of the red-shirt leaders, said the petition plan would be scrapped if his group could not gather enough support in one month. He and other leaders of the Democratic Alliance Against Dictatorship (DAAD) called a press conference yesterday to discuss the plan to gather a million signatures in support of a request for Royal clemency for Thaksin. Forms for the signature campaign would be distributed to the public today, he said. Veera said Thaksin phoned in during the red-shirt rally last Saturday and complained about being homesick, lonely and wanting his supporters to help him return to the country. "If we can help him come back and solve economic problems facing the country, it would good for the people,'' he said. Nattawut Saikua, another DAAD leader, said Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva should be ashamed that Veera rejected his invitation to join his weekly talk show, but the PM still tried to invite other red-shirt leaders to go on the programme. "All the red shirts don't want to help boost the ratings of Abhisit's programme because they still remember how they were treated by the Abhisit government and the clash with the blue shirts [in Pattaya],'' he said. Meanwhile, Democrat Party spokesman Dr Buranaj Smutharaks warned the red shirts the move to seek Royal clemency risked deepening divisions in the country. He said his party believed the move was not a desire of the public but simply Thaksin's wish. "We believe most people in the country want to see Thaksin repent but we have not heard him admit that he was wrong." He said the red shirts could not say that the public wanted a Royal pardon for Thaksin since Veera and Thaksin's legal adviser Noppadon Pattama were the ones came up with the idea. "They are using mass support to pressure the institution that is above politics,'' he said. Buranaj said authorities would have to keep a watch on the red shirts as Thaksin's phone-in indicated he wanted to bring down the government within three months. "They did it during the Songkran riots and now they have shown intention to do the same thing by using mass support to pressure the government,'' he said. Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban said if Thaksin instigated his supporters to try to topple the government as urged in his phone-in, he would be charged with breaking the law. -- The Nation 2009/02/07 Edited July 2, 2009 by webfact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shotime Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 Far greater men have been imprisoned in their home-country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginexile Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 Facinating! I think they will get more like 2 million signatures. But alas, it will be to no avail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted July 2, 2009 Author Share Posted July 2, 2009 Veera said Thaksin phoned in during the red-shirt rally last Saturday and complained about being homesick, lonely and wanting his supporters to help him return to the country. What's that BS all about? He can come home at any time. He holds a Thai passport, right? Why seeking the help from his supporters? I am speechless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geckos Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 If you wear a red shirt in Thailand you will be call " A RETARD" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joskydive Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 This is rubbish. Thaksin can come back anytime and suffer the consequences of his actions like he did for his fellow Thai's who were innocent and guilty when he was in office. At least he had a trial. Some of them didn't and paid with their lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lensta Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 Veera said Thaksin phoned in during the red-shirt rally last Saturday and complained about being homesick, lonely and wanting his supporters to help him return to the country.What's that BS all about? He can come home at any time. He holds a Thai passport, right? Why seeking the help from his supporters? I am speechless! Actually I think his Thai passport was revoked if that is the right word, anyway he can't use it anymore, That's why he has several others. Of course he can still come home but what he wants is to come home and not go to jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted July 2, 2009 Author Share Posted July 2, 2009 Veera said Thaksin phoned in during the red-shirt rally last Saturday and complained about being homesick, lonely and wanting his supporters to help him return to the country.What's that BS all about? He can come home at any time. He holds a Thai passport, right? Why seeking the help from his supporters? I am speechless! Actually I think his Thai passport was revoked if that is the right word, anyway he can't use it anymore, That's why he has several others. Of course he can still come home but what he wants is to come home and not go to jail. I thought only his diplomatic passport was revoked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samgrowth Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 Veera said Thaksin phoned in during the red-shirt rally last Saturday and complained about being homesick, lonely and wanting his supporters to help him return to the country.What's that BS all about? He can come home at any time. He holds a Thai passport, right? Why seeking the help from his supporters? I am speechless! Actually I think his Thai passport was revoked if that is the right word, anyway he can't use it anymore, That's why he has several others. Of course he can still come home but what he wants is to come home and not go to jail. Since he no longer have a Thai passport? Will he need to get a visa to come back to Thailand? Does he need to the the visa run every 90 days whil he is in prison in Thailand? Best to lock him up in one of the border prison so he can walk across to neighboring country & back for his visa run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammered Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 It is all about pressure - political pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 Oh my darling Oh my darling Oh my darling Clemency You are lost and gone for ever Dreadful sorry Clemency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted July 2, 2009 Author Share Posted July 2, 2009 (edited) Veera said Thaksin phoned in during the red-shirt rally last Saturday and complained about being homesick, lonely and wanting his supporters to help him return to the country.What's that BS all about? He can come home at any time. He holds a Thai passport, right? Why seeking the help from his supporters? I am speechless! Actually I think his Thai passport was revoked if that is the right word, anyway he can't use it anymore, That's why he has several others. Of course he can still come home but what he wants is to come home and not go to jail. Since he no longer have a Thai passport? Will he need to get a visa to come back to Thailand? Does he need to the the visa run every 90 days whil he is in prison in Thailand? Best to lock him up in one of the border prison so he can walk across to neighboring country & back for his visa run. For my understanding Revoking a persons passport does not mean citizenship has been revoked too. IMHO he is still a Thai citizen and can return to his beloved homeland even without a Thai passport. There should be no problem with the Immigration on arrival in Thailand. They may remember that face... Edited July 2, 2009 by webfact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesjdaly Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 .....Veera said Thaksin phoned in during the red-shirt rally last Saturday and complained about being homesick, lonely and wanting his supporters to help him return to the country..... ...so he can resume his lying, cheating, stealing, cronyism, corruption, wreaking havoc and foul revenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 The govt said he can apply for travelling document at any Thai consulate. Red shirts forgot their own sermors about sanctity of constitutions and want the monarchy to be officially involved in a political spat (this is how they see it themselves). Three years ago they were ready to crucify Abhisit for even thinking about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insight Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 (edited) Check out the number of votes on the latest BKK Post poll! Dunno if this link will work, but would like to see what people think given it's less than 24hrs old... /edit O/T but does Thaksin own an Iranian passport? Edited July 2, 2009 by Insight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xminator Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 Veera said Thaksin phoned in during the red-shirt rally last Saturday and complained about being homesick, lonely and wanting his supporters to help him return to the country.What's that BS all about? He can come home at any time. He holds a Thai passport, right? Why seeking the help from his supporters? I am speechless! Ever heard about politics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xminator Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 Check out the number of votes on the latest BKK Post poll! Dunno if this link will work, but would like to see what people think given it's less than 24hrs old.../edit O/T but does Thaksin own an Iranian passport? The current governmnet have too much in common with the Iranian government for Thaksin to ever set his foot there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xminator Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 If you wear a red shirt in Thailand you will be call " A RETARD" Agree, its a little bit like wearing green in Iran. Not popular with the current flavour of dictatorship... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoMeOnEnUlL Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 (edited) Thanks for the opening a new flaming topic. I've been very bored lately. Edited July 2, 2009 by SoMeOnEnUlL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emancipationthailand Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 .....Veera said Thaksin phoned in during the red-shirt rally last Saturday and complained about being homesick, lonely and wanting his supporters to help him return to the country..... ...so he can resume his lying, cheating, stealing, cronyism, corruption, wreaking havoc and foul revenge. Gee. This is sickening, REALLY... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stumonster Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 "If we can help him come back and solve economic problems facing the country, it would good for the people,'' he said. does anyone know what laws of economics , rules and regulations need to be changed/manipulated and who needs to be bribed to make this fantasy come true ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted July 2, 2009 Author Share Posted July 2, 2009 "If we can help him come back and solve economic problems facing the country, it would good for the people,'' he said. does anyone know what laws of economics , rules and regulations need to be changed/manipulated and who needs to be bribed to make this fantasy come true ? We will know that in July. Isn't July 16 judgement day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo the Face Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 This guy really is a scumbag. To my interpretation this is Face loss , big time...... begging for signatures. It may be better put.... "what is the going rate for a signature" A thousand baht ought to do it.... Just not right dragging the first family into it..... Come back anytime you want and face the music........ but the little spoiled blockhead wants it his way so he can dig in and refill his pockets.... Must have been one piece of work as a 10 year old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siripon Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 "If we can help him come back and solve economic problems facing the country, it would good for the people,'' he said. does anyone know what laws of economics , rules and regulations need to be changed/manipulated and who needs to be bribed to make this fantasy come true ? We will know that in July. Isn't July 16 judgement day? I think July 16 is the day the case begins regarding seizure of his assets. This whole petition nonsense is just an attempt to keep his face in the news, it will go nowhere in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkkexplorer Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 So he's asking for a pardon. Has he admitted guilt or showing remorse? How does a pardon come to play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonclark Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 (edited) Agreed - Surely you must admit guilt before you can be pardoned. Otherwise what will the king be pardoning?? Take that aussie who recently got caught under the LM laws for a couple of sentences relating to the monarchy. He admitted his mistake and his majesty showing benevolence pardoned him. I'm sure if he claimed he was innocent and did nothing wrong he'd still be in jail. This is very distasteful, collecting signatures with the expectation that this will pressure his majesty into over ruling a courts decision. Can't this pressure be interpreted as insulting? His majesty is above this type of political bickering and any pardon should be left to his majesty and advisers to decide on privately when individuals have admitted wrong doing. Edited July 2, 2009 by jonclark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted July 2, 2009 Author Share Posted July 2, 2009 Veera said Thaksin phoned in during the red-shirt rally last Saturday and complained about being homesick, lonely and wanting his supporters to help him return to the country.What's that BS all about? He can come home at any time. He holds a Thai passport, right? Why seeking the help from his supporters? I am speechless! thai passeport thaksin no have and i hope he going to jail for 5 years at least some thai people going jail fore less so thaksin have a good time in BANGKOK HILTON 5 stars jail Actually I think his Thai passport was revoked if that is the right word, anyway he can't use it anymore, That's why he has several others. Of course he can still come home but what he wants is to come home and not go to jail. I thought only his diplomatic passport was revoked? to be admitted and do time in that fine place an offender must have been sentenced to 20/25y+++ He definitely won't do his time in the "Hilton" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 Agreed - Surely you must admit guilt before you can be pardoned. Otherwise what will the king be pardoning??Take that aussie who recently got caught under the LM laws for a couple of sentences relating to the monarchy. He admitted his mistake and his majesty showing benevolence pardoned him. I'm sure if he claimed he was innocent and did nothing wrong he'd still be in jail. This is very distasteful, collecting signatures with the expectation that this will pressure his majesty into over ruling a courts decision. Can't this pressure be interpreted as insulting? His majesty is above this type of political bickering and any pardon should be left to his majesty and advisers to decide on privately when individuals have admitted wrong doing. Well yes it certainly could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted July 3, 2009 Author Share Posted July 3, 2009 Abhisit condemns red shirts for politicising monarchy By The Nation Politics should keep out of the monarchy and the signature campaign seeking a royal pardon for ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra is deemed inappropriate to politicise the revered institution, Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said on Friday. "The petition for a royal pardon should be initiated by Thaksin or his family because it is a show of remorse and not a political issue of numbers to affect a royal discretion," he said in reference to the campaign to solicit one million signatures. He said he would instruct authorities to explain the pardon procedures to the public in order dispel the misunderstanding that the red shirts could sponsor the petition on Thaksin's behalf. Meanwhile, Kaewsan Atibodhi, a former member of the Assets Examination Committee, and his brother, Kwansuang Atiodhi, held a press conference to call on the red-shirts to stop the signature gathering. The two brothers said the signature gathering would bother the monarchy. They said the pardon could not be granted because it would be unconstitutional. "This is a political marketing strategy to gather signatures to pressure the institution," Kaewsan said. -- The Nation 2009/03/07 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandstone Art Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Agreed - Surely you must admit guilt before you can be pardoned. Otherwise what will the king be pardoning??Take that aussie who recently got caught under the LM laws for a couple of sentences relating to the monarchy. He admitted his mistake and his majesty showing benevolence pardoned him. I'm sure if he claimed he was innocent and did nothing wrong he'd still be in jail. This is very distasteful, collecting signatures with the expectation that this will pressure his majesty into over ruling a courts decision. Can't this pressure be interpreted as insulting? His majesty is above this type of political bickering and any pardon should be left to his majesty and advisers to decide on privately when individuals have admitted wrong doing. Well yes it certainly could be. I don't think Thaksin will ever admit any wrong doing. The closest he said was " An Honest mistake " without any feeling sorry. He want to return as a hero and as a savior of the country. Seems that the reds are druming up that Thaksin is the only one that can help the countrys' economy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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