Mai Krap Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/14...son-in-thailandPM: No secret prison in Thailand Mr Abhisit said there was no cooperation between the Thai government and the US in setting up a secret prison as alleged. “It’s an old story and it is totally groundless as this government has never resorted to the use of violent means,” Mr Abhisit said. The report would not affect the summit between Asean and its dialog partners being held in Phuket. http://news.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2BNews...721-156068.htmlNo torture allowed in Thailand: govt Tue, Jul 21, 2009 The Nation/Asoa News Network "We are investigating the Washington Post report, but can guarantee that this government will never engage in such a violation of human rights," said Democrat spokesman Buranat Samuttarak. The report provided details about Abu Zubaida being arrested in Pakistan and then flown to Bangkok while top US counter-terrorism officials gathered at CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia, to discuss how they could get the suspect to talk. US authorities are not legally allowed to torture suspects in their own country. The Washington Post said the torture methods discussed included putting Zubaida in a cell filled with corpses, surrounding him with naked women or jolting him with electric shocks to the teeth. It is believed that Zubaida was finally subjected to "waterboarding", under which victims are made to constantly feel like they are drowning. "Interviews with nearly two dozen current and former US officials also provide new evidence that the imposition of harsh techniques provoked dissension among the officials charged with questioning Abu Zubaida, from the time of his capture through the period when the most gruelling torments were applied," the Washington Post said. Army chief Anupong Paochinda denied an earlier Washington Post report that there was indeed a "torture chamber" in Thailand that US officials could use to get terrorists to yield key information. According to the newspaper, rumours had circulated that a secret site for torture tactics in Thailand had been approved "downtown" - agency jargon for the White House. Apart from waterboarding, Zubaida was also subjected to forced nudity, sleep deprivation and temperatures lowered until he turned blue. -The Nation/ANN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mai Krap Posted July 21, 2009 Author Share Posted July 21, 2009 http://www.ahrchk.net/statements/mainfile....statements/323/ THAILAND: Growing repugnance of barbaric torture in Thailand FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE June 23, 2005 AS-71-2005 A Statement by the Asian Human Rights Commission (AHRC) 26 JUNE – U.N. INTERNATIONAL DAY IN SUPPORT OF VICTIMS OF TORTURE Growing repugnance of barbaric torture in Thailand Writing to Suwat Liptapanlop, the Minister of Justice of Thailand on June 22, the Asian Human Rights Commission observed, "The question may well be asked as to why Thai police enjoy electrocuting testicles?" The remark was made after the May 24 gruesome torture of Urai Srineh, allegedly at the Chonburi provincial police station. Urai was electrocuted on his testicles for hours before being released. Doctors have said that he may suffer lasting damage. If he loses his ability to reproduce, the perpetrators could be charged with grievous bodily harm, and be sent to jail for up to ten years. However, none have yet been investigated or even identified. When Urai was in hospital a deal was struck and money paid to close the matter. Urai's treatment is reminiscent of earlier genital torture cases in Thailand. These include the assault on Ekkawat Srimanta by officers attached to two police stations in Ayutthaya province during November 2004. Ekkawat was rushed to hospital by relatives with severe burns all over his testicles, penis and groin. His suffering was widely reported and excited public disgust. Similarly, in September 2004 officers of the Phra Nakhon Si Ayutthaya station allegedly electrocuted Anek Yingnuek by attaching live wires to a fork stuck in a bag of ice resting on his groin. Like other poor people in Thailand, Anek had anticipated that he would be beaten up during police interrogation, but had not imagined such sadistic methods. "It was really torture," he said with disbelief later. Unfortunately for Anek, he was kept in detention under a system that allows the Thai police to hold an arrestee for up to 86 days before charges are laid, during which time evidence of his maltreatment was lost. Each of these cases shares a number of features that speak to wider issues in addressing torture in Thailand. Torture is routinely used in ordinary criminal cases. While it comes as little surprise to people in Thailand to hear that terrorist suspects are brutalised by their interrogators, it is more disconcerting to know that ordinary criminal suspects are given the same types of treatment. Urai was accused of murder; Ekkawat, to robbery. Both were innocent men. Anek had admitted to robbery, but the police wanted to push up the charge and tortured him to implicate three friends, thereby securing a gang robbery charge. The type of torture inflicted is often extreme. The police officers involved must derive some enjoyment from what they do, as lesser abuse would be sufficient to force a confession. In fact, the reputation of the Thai police for barbarity alone is enough for many persons in custody to say whatever the police want to hear. The pattern of very harsh torture in Thai police stations suggests a mentality among officers that extremely cruel and barbaric treatment of persons in custody is completely acceptable. Torture perpetrators have little fear of repercussions. Not only is the use of torture treated as normal among low-ranked officers, it is also tacitly or openly condoned by their superiors. Under such circumstances, it is bound to be widespread. The perpetrators rarely bother to conceal their crimes or hide their identities. At worst, they may face internal disciplinary proceedings; none are known to have been charged or been prosecuted for the offence. As it stands at present, there is no discrete law under which torture perpetrators can be punished, nor any avenue for complaints. Thailand has not yet ratified the U.N. Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment. The reputation of the police in Thailand is now at an all-time low. The silence that has long existed around their brutal and corrupt methods is being broken. As more and more reports of heinous torture in police stations are being discussed publicly, repugnance grows. As the practices of police in setting up uncounted numbers of extrajudicial killings are exposed, the reaction is getting stronger. As the extent of corruption that pervades the entire police force is laid bare, people are demanding action. Even some senior police officers admit in private that things are going badly wrong. The previously unquestioned power of the Thai police is daily facing greater challenges. Some parts of the police force can be expected to take strong steps to defend their authority and enjoyment of illegal practices. In the case of prominent human rights lawyer Somchai Neelaphaijit, who had publicly implicated police in the torture of his clients, this meant forced disappearance. Most recently, police linked to the reported extrajudicial killing of a suspect in Nonthaburi province have sued prominent forensic pathologist Dr Porntip Rojanasunan after she questioned their conclusion that the death was a suicide. She earlier won a litigation case brought by other police after suggesting that a man who died in custody had been a victim of torture: including by having a burning plastic bottle applied to his testicles. These reactions are symptomatic of a growing struggle for the power over criminal investigation and justice in Thailand. The question that people in Thailand are now asking is whether this power belongs to the police or the public--on whose behalf it should exercised through open and accountable civilian-run institutions, including the courts, branches of the bureaucracy, and independent agencies. As the questioning becomes louder, new ideas for change are being shaped and directed, and the historical dominance of the police is becoming increasingly untenable. On this International Day in Support of Victims of Torture, June 26, 2005, the Asian Human Rights Commission (AHRC) lauds those individuals and groups in all parts of society in Thailand who are working to end the practice of torture in their country. As Thailand goes before the U.N. Human Rights Committee this July, an historic opportunity exists to obtain much international credibility by ratifying the Convention against Torture. This can be done without delay, as the Constitution of Thailand already prohibits torture in principle, and the changing of laws and other arrangements to accommodate the Convention can be done later. The AHRC urges all concerned parties to direct their energies towards this important goal, in order that the people of Thailand may at last have the hope of being able to live free from fear of torture. # # # About AHRC The Asian Human Rights Commission is a regional non-governmental organisation monitoring and lobbying human rights issues in Asia. The Hong Kong-based group was founded in 1984 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mai Krap Posted July 21, 2009 Author Share Posted July 21, 2009 http://www.alrc.net/pr/mainfile.php/2005pr/109/ THAILAND: Torture rife in Thailand, U.N. told PRESS RELEASE ALRC-PL-42-2005 Torture rife in Thailand, U.N. told (Geneva, April 19, 2005) Torture is widespread in Thailand and extremely brutal practices are used to extract confessions in ordinary criminal cases, the Asian Legal Resource Centre (ALRC) told the United Nations today. Speaking before the annual session of the U.N. Commission on Human Rights, the Hong Kong-based rights group pointed to the case of Anek Yingnuek as an example. Anek was allegedly tortured on September 9, 2004 at the Phra Nakhon Si Ayutthaya police station. "To have him admit to robbery and implicate some others, the police allegedly beat him with pipes and suffocated him with plastic bags," ALRC spokesperson Michael Anthony said. "Then they covered his penis and testicles with ice and electrocuted him through it," he said. Torturers in Thailand escape punishment, the ALRC said, because there is no law making torture a criminal offence and the country has not ratified the U.N. Convention against Torture. "There is also no avenue by which a complaint can be made directly to the high courts on a human rights violation under the constitution, which prohibits torture," Anthony said. No institution exists in Thailand to investigate torture and other serious human rights violations by the police. On the contrary, a widespread attitude prevails that torture is acceptable and necessary. In a written statement submitted earlier to the U.N., the ALRC pointed to the immigration bureau chief Pol. Lt-Gen. Amarin Niamsakul an example of a senior official who had endorsed the use torture on national television. The ALRC said that for the government to have not dismissed the officer for his remarks was "a blot on the country's international reputation and an affront to both domestic and international law". In its oral statement the ALRC said that Thailand had failed to fulfil its obligations under the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, to which it is a party, by not doing anything to prevent torture. It called for Thailand to introduce a criminal law against torture, and a channel for receipt and investigation of complaints. The ALRC also urged the government to ratify the Convention against Torture without delay. Full text of the today’s statement follows. UNITED NATIONS COMMISSION ON HUMAN RIGHTS 61st SESSION ITEM 18: EFFECTIVE FUNCTIONING OF HUMAN RIGHTS MECHANISMS Torture in Thailand and the role of national and international human rights mechanisms Statement read by Mr Michael Anthony, of the Asian Legal Resource Centre Mr Chairperson I speak on behalf of the Asian Legal Resource Centre. Anek Yingnuek alleges that on September 9 of last year he was tortured at the Phra Nakhon Si Ayutthaya police station, north of Bangkok, Thailand. To have him admit to robbery and implicate some others, the police allegedly beat him with pipes and suffocated him with plastic bags. Then they covered his penis and testicles with ice and electrocuted him through it. Anek confessed and named three friends: enough to raise the charge to gang robbery. Anek and his friends are all standing trial [Phra Nakhon Si Ayutthaya Provincial Court black nos 1621/2547, 1675/2547 and 38/2548]. They are in jail. None of the accused police are known to have lost their jobs, despite having been named in a number of other similarly brutal cases. None have faced criminal investigations over the alleged torture. This pattern is repeated at police stations throughout Thailand. Torture is widespread. Beatings and 'roughing up' are the routine; extremely grave torture is also applied in ordinary criminal cases. Victims are held in custody until scars have faded and all evidence is lost. Most are poor persons, unable to afford lawyers, ignorant of the legal system and their basic rights, and easily intimidated by the police. Torturers in Thailand escape proper enquiry or sanction because there is no law making torture a criminal offence. Thailand has not ratified the Convention against Torture. There is also no avenue by which a complaint can be made directly to the high courts on a human rights violation under the constitution, which prohibits torture. Under these circumstances, the existing national and international human rights mechanisms can do little to deal with this grievous and widespread abuse. The National Human Rights Commission of Thailand does not have the authority to pursue such cases; it can only refer them to the relevant government authorities. However, there is no institution established to investigate torture and other serious human rights violations by the police. And a widespread attitude prevails, as recently articulated by the immigration police chief on national television, that torture is acceptable and necessary. Internationally, Thailand is a party to the Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, which also prohibits torture. Article 2 of the Covenant stipulates that state parties must establish the means by which rights are to be enforced and remedies obtained when they are breached. But Thailand has not fulfilled this practical and integral obligation: the Asian Legal Resource Centre has pointed to this failure in its report to the Human Rights Committee to coincide with the considering of Thailand’s initial report under the Covenant this July. Anek Yingnuek wants the abuse he has suffered at the hands of the police to be recognised and investigated, but he has no way to achieve this. The National Human Rights Commission lacks the means to afford an effective remedy. No domestic law exists to address torture, and there is no way to take his case to the superior courts. Nor can he approach the Human Rights Committee, as Thailand has not ratified the first Optional Protocol to the Covenant. Effective functioning human rights mechanisms mean effective remedies. In Thailand, to eliminate the practice of torture and afford redress to the victims there must be a criminal law against torture and a channel for receipt and investigation of complaints. An avenue should be opened up by which complaints of serious rights violations under the constitution can be brought directly to the high courts. Finally, to afford a greater role for treaty bodies, Thailand should ratify the Convention against Torture and the first Optional Protocol to the Covenant without delay. With these measures in place, Anek Yingnuek and other people like him might have a fighting chance to protect their rights, and in so doing, protect those of all people in Thailand. 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grantbkk Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 I think that the Prime Minister misunderstood the question. He thought they were talking about torture sites in Thailand for tourists. It is clear that the tourists traveling through the King Power Duty Free Mall with the small airport attached at Suvarnabhumi are not subjected to torture as defined by international convention. The Duty Free Scam victims are simply arrested, detained and can actually buy their way out of trouble. This is not the case for those arrested for terrorism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mai Krap Posted July 21, 2009 Author Share Posted July 21, 2009 http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/1266...inside-thailandUS admits to torture at secret jail inside Thailand Writer: BANGKOK POST and AGENCIES Published: 4/03/2009 at 12:00 AM Newspaper section: News The United States government has admitted for the first time that it had a secret jail in Thailand where suspected al-Qaeda operatives were flown in to be interrrogated, including being subjected to "waterboarding". Federal prosecutors revealed the details in documents submitted to a court in New York as part of a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit brought by the American Civil Liberties Union. Prosecutors also revealed that 92 videotapes made and stored in Thailand of the questionable interrogation techniques had been personally ordered to be destroyed by the then head of the CIA, Jose A Rodriguez Jr. http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/1273...ret-prison-hereAnupong denies US secret prison here Writer: WASSANA NANUAM AND ANUCHA CHAROENPO Published: 5/03/2009 at 12:00 AM Newspaper section: News Army chief Anupong Paojinda insists the United States has no secret jail in Thailand for captured terror suspects. "I insist there's no such place in the army. I guarantee a million per cent with my position as guarantee," Gen Anupong said. The army chief said there were no such secret places in Udon Thani. " You can go everywhere, every district, every tambon in the province [to check]," he said. Asked why the information the US has a secret jail in Thailand had been confirmed in the US, Gen Anupong declined to comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dttk0009 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/1266...inside-thailandUS admits to torture at secret jail inside Thailand Writer: BANGKOK POST and AGENCIES Published: 4/03/2009 at 12:00 AM Newspaper section: News The United States government has admitted for the first time that it had a secret jail in Thailand where suspected al-Qaeda operatives were flown in to be interrrogated, including being subjected to "waterboarding". Federal prosecutors revealed the details in documents submitted to a court in New York as part of a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit brought by the American Civil Liberties Union. Prosecutors also revealed that 92 videotapes made and stored in Thailand of the questionable interrogation techniques had been personally ordered to be destroyed by the then head of the CIA, Jose A Rodriguez Jr. http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/1273...ret-prison-hereAnupong denies US secret prison here Writer: WASSANA NANUAM AND ANUCHA CHAROENPO Published: 5/03/2009 at 12:00 AM Newspaper section: News Army chief Anupong Paojinda insists the United States has no secret jail in Thailand for captured terror suspects. "I insist there's no such place in the army. I guarantee a million per cent with my position as guarantee," Gen Anupong said. The army chief said there were no such secret places in Udon Thani. " You can go everywhere, every district, every tambon in the province [to check]," he said. Asked why the information the US has a secret jail in Thailand had been confirmed in the US, Gen Anupong declined to comment. It's a secret prison. It's hilarious how he suggests just 'going around the province to check', as if we'd stumble upon a building that has a big 'SECRET PRISON' sign on it if it were to exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverdie Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 These are absolutely SHOCKING reports....pardon the pun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harcourt Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Maybe the reports have come from misinformed sources: Perhaps sex-tourist operators have founded an S&M dungeon? I've been a naughty boy, spank me Mistress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verydumbubba Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Please use a larger font next time for the eyeball & brain impaired Bubba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 The Washington Post story talks about events in 2002. I don't think it has any relevance to Thailand, though. Yes, it was in Thailand, but all this topic is going to achieve is mindless ranting against political emenies of your choice. If you are red, rant against Anupong, or Surayud who was the army commander at that time. Or you can rant against Thaksin who was the Prime Minister. Or make jokes about duty free shop at the airport. But what do you think has really happened? US requested Thailand cooperation via usual channels (that might not even included the army, only special police). They were given a room and a key. Do you think Thais had CCTV cameras in there? Do you think the US interrogators submitted written reports to anyone in Thailand? It's mostly the testimony to shameful US polices, Thailand is just a red herring here. >> By the time Anupong was denying their existence they were no jails anymore, so he was techincally right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 More on the story here also: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31992244/ns/wo...on_post/page/3/ (Jumped to page 3 to show them arriving in Thailand, flip back to get all info...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 I think most of us realize Bush and Cheney went off the reservation morally and legally right after 9/11. As an American I resented it highly. I voted against these two from day one. To no avail, since B Karl Rove is a genius at pushing electoral buttons. I am sure the US didn't aprise Thailand on what they were doing very much. Thailand's of those places were enough cash gets you whatever you need, no questions asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harcourt Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 The Washington Post story talks about events in 2002.I don't think it has any relevance to Thailand, though. Yes, it was in Thailand, but all this topic is going to achieve is mindless ranting against political emenies of your choice. If you are red, rant against Anupong, or Surayud who was the army commander at that time. Or you can rant against Thaksin who was the Prime Minister. Or make jokes about duty free shop at the airport. But what do you think has really happened? US requested Thailand cooperation via usual channels (that might not even included the army, only special police). They were given a room and a key. Do you think Thais had CCTV cameras in there? Do you think the US interrogators submitted written reports to anyone in Thailand? It's mostly the testimony to shameful US polices, Thailand is just a red herring here. >> By the time Anupong was denying their existence they were no jails anymore, so he was techincally right. I think you're right on all counts, Plus.....except I don't think all ranting is mindless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 PM denies secret US jails exist in Thailand BANGKOK: -- Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva on Tuesday affirmed that there are no secret jails in Thailand operated by the United States where suspected al-Quada operatives were interrogated and tortured as earlier reported by foreign media. The Thai premier said that rumours regarding a secret US prison in Thailand have been circulating since 2001. He noted the story as being raised again now because foreign media are trying to analyse the role of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) and its cooperation with the US government. It also coincides with the planned attendance of US Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton at the ASEAN Regional Forum (ARF) in Phuket, said Mr. Abhisit, adding that Mrs. Clinton is scheduled to meet him in Bangkok Tuesday afternoon. "There are no secret US jails in Thailand,” Mr. Abhisit insisted. “This government regards human rights as an important issue. "It's an old story. This will not also affect the ASEAN foreign ministers meeting and related meetings," he affirmed. Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thuagsuban who oversees national security also asserted that there are no covert US jails in Thailand. Mr. Suthep noted that it was no coincidence that the issue of secret prisons was released during the ASEAN meeting. "Although the rumour does not affect the meetings, it may tarnish Thailand's image in the world community. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs will clarify the matter and a special committee will be set up to verify if there's a movement to discredit the Thai government," Mr. Suthep said. Meanwhile, Chavanont Intarakomalsut, secretary to the Minister of Foreign affairs Kasit Piromya, said previous governments also affirmed that no secret US jails existed here. Mr. Chavanont said that although it is just a rumour, Foreign Minister Kasit has asked concerned agencies to investigate the source of the story. "If the source is identified, Thai authorities will clarify the matter with them", said Mr. Chavanont, "But if the source of rumour is unknown, this means that there's a movement to attack the country." The Washington Post earlier reported that the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) was operating secret prisons in eight countries including Thailand, Afghanistan and several European countries. The prisons were allegedly used to detain, interrogate and torture captives suspected to be part of Osama Bin Laden's network. However, previous Thai governments denied the reports. -- TNA 2009-07-21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammered Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Allowing the shadowy torturers of another country to operate on your soil is wrong. We dont know the veracity of the claim but it does fit with what has been coming out about the practices of the CIA under Bush/Cheney. Sure this is in 2002 when Abhisit wasnt PM (guess who was) but he should announce an investigation. That so many powerful people have changed sides or happily worked for both sides or are quite happy to change sides again and that every side (more than 2 now) want to suck up every powerful supporter they can, or have people who owe them one, is the context that means this wont be investigated by this government or the next one or anyone else. We already know previous governments also denied this without investigation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 I think most of us realize Bush and Cheney went off the reservation morally and legally right after 9/11.As an American I resented it highly. I voted against these two from day one. To no avail, since B Karl Rove is a genius at pushing electoral buttons. I am sure the US didn't aprise Thailand on what they were doing very much. Thailand's of those places were enough cash gets you whatever you need, no questions asked. What I heard from other countries the politicians were almost proud to help out. There is huge budget to change some premiers/presidents mind but for people like Thaksin I think he is just proud of helping his best friend Bush. What I do not understand is why someone like Abhisit lies and doesn't use the opportunity to sack people he want to get rid off anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Maybe the reports have come from misinformed sources: Perhaps sex-tourist operators have founded an S&M dungeon?I've been a naughty boy, spank me Mistress. no having sex would have caused big problem. Sex and playing cards are the real heavy crimes not such minor things like torturing people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 I think that is one of the bigger failures we will now see - the chance to be honest and be able to point out what was done under the previous regime, but as always when it comes to international relations, denying any wrongdoings of the Thai state comes first, being correct or even tactical comes second... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RKASA Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 War is all hel_l, and then it gets worse. Oh Rick! There is gaming in the back room, we must close this place. Casablanca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Get real, Abhisit, or any other PM for that matter, it not going to publicise highly secret arrangements Thailand made with the US seven years ago. That would set a very bad precedent, and if the point is to prevent future torture, there are less costly ways, like, for example, simply not allowing it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chunkton Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 I think that is one of the bigger failures we will now see - the chance to be honest and be able to point out what was done under the previous regime, but as always when it comes to international relations, denying any wrongdoings of the Thai state comes first, being correct or even tactical comes second... Yes you have to wonder about that don't you. Here is a thought, the government doesn't ever actually have control of the country as such, the military and bureaucracy are concurrently running their own games. Might also explain why Taksin was prosecuted on what, in reality, was a nothing charge rather than any of the major things of which he was so publicly accused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Yes you have to wonder about that don't you. Here is a thought, the government doesn't ever actually have control of the country as such, the military and bureaucracy are concurrently running their own games. Might also explain why Taksin was prosecuted on what, in reality, was a nothing charge rather than any of the major things of which he was so publicly accused. Bingo. The military and the police do as they please. There is no civilian authority over either; The military is subject only to one person, and the police demonstrate management by the keystone cops & Thugs Unlimited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EndofDays Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 The Washington Post story talks about events in 2002.I don't think it has any relevance to Thailand, though. Yes, it was in Thailand, but all this topic is going to achieve is mindless ranting against political emenies of your choice. If you are red, rant against Anupong, or Surayud who was the army commander at that time. Or you can rant against Thaksin who was the Prime Minister. Or make jokes about duty free shop at the airport. But what do you think has really happened? US requested Thailand cooperation via usual channels (that might not even included the army, only special police). They were given a room and a key. Do you think Thais had CCTV cameras in there? Do you think the US interrogators submitted written reports to anyone in Thailand? It's mostly the testimony to shameful US polices, Thailand is just a red herring here. >> By the time Anupong was denying their existence they were no jails anymore, so he was techincally right. there has yet to be any physical evidence of u.s. torture. every person who said he was tortured in a u.s. prison still can't give names or even show scars of any torture. i deal with "prisoners" who have fought agains the u.s. and they receive better treatment than any american in the u.s. prison system. we bend of over backwards to accomodate them where the same requests would get you peppersprayed in san quentin. I don't see you people complaining when americans are taken prisoner and killed by crazy s.o.b.s. How many heads have we cut off on video? there were no secret prisons in thailand....idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 there has yet to be any physical evidence of u.s. torture. every person who said he was tortured in a u.s. prison still can't give names or even show scars of any torture. i deal with "prisoners" who have fought agains the u.s. and they receive better treatment than any american in the u.s. prison system. we bend of over backwards to accomodate them where the same requests would get you peppersprayed in san quentin. I don't see you people complaining when americans are taken prisoner and killed by crazy s.o.b.s. How many heads have we cut off on video? there were no secret prisons in thailand....idiots. You started off good but ended in failure. "There was secret prisons in Thailand, but the treatment was better than the terrorists ways of allied forces." There we go, corrected it for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mca Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 (edited) "I insist there's no such place in the army. I guarantee a million per cent with my position as guarantee," Gen Anupong said. Adding "And even if I'm lying through my teeth who's got the balls to do anything about it? I'm the f#cking Army Chief! Tanks, guns, artillery. All mine. For f#cks sake I could hold a coup if I felt bored and there's nothing much on the TV until the Academy Fantasia concert on Saturday night." Edited July 21, 2009 by mca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Do you think there were really secret prisons? More likely is that FBI quitely asked for an "office" to use. According to WP article, there were only a couple of agents and they even personally transported the guy to the hospital and wiped his ass there. That doesn't sound like a "secred prison". It could have been some Thai officer's private property. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 It need not have involved more than 4-5 Thais and a few suitcases of cash. Get past customs and immigration: Cash Get an old factory with silent spaces : CASH Get secure uplink to home base : CASH Get a few mercenaries to watch the perimiter: CASH. This need not have gone farther up the chain. But this DID happen on Bush and Thaksin's watchs, so letting the Americans out it and denie it's going on NOW, adequately points the finger were it should go; Thaksin and his cronies in the military at that time. Very short chain of command, and little commo between crews. Take the suictase and run. I can see Thaksin kow towing to Bush big time, like that bobbing poodle head in the back dash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mca Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 I find it quite amusing when Abhisit speaks as a statesman. Maybe he's deluded enough to think he is actually the one in charge of the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuian Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 (edited) If terrorists, people who have no respect of the life of others, random victims of their terror - why should they have "human rights"? Isn't this going a bit too far, with all this appeasement, with being so nice and sweet that "right", "righteousness" becomes a farce? Does anyone remember the stolen tank-vehicle what was already filled up with some explosive agent and the dead driver was in there as well - the whole thing was destined for the Israeli Embassy in Bangkok? Are the "Insurgents" in the South acting according to human rights? Cutting defenseless peoples heads off, clubbing female teachers to death, monks.... is this human? It's been taken far, way to far and those people know this and laugh about it! Edited July 21, 2009 by Samuian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuian Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 I find it quite amusing when Abhisit speaks as a statesman. Maybe he's deluded enough to think he is actually the one in charge of the country. ....well now we know - you are quite easely amused - muahahahahahaha! wonder you give him the honor he can think at all! muahahahahaha! Very funny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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