badge Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Previous Thailand scandal with German engineer of very similar name:http://gomaco.com/resources/worldstories/w...talianthai.html probably just a coincidence however. Ah I see. Thats the chap, sadly The Nation article misspelled his name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noithip Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 An 'engineer of a real estate company'? what on earth is that? 'he sued to receive a death threat'? Theres obvious issues with this report, but C4 strapped to a chap and detonated remotely means your dealing with someone with an advanced military knowledge(background) and connections, presumably local not foreign. Awful news for the family. RIP Exactly what I thought, engineer of a real eatate company?? All I could find out is that he was a civil engineer and had his own consulting company. vinciconsulting(dot)net . He was also working on the suvanabhum airport as an engineer. Obviously the real estate- developing angle is what it is all about, and yes local more than foreign is also my point of view. As some poster pointed out there where two bombs with C4 found in Bangkok today, looks like this stuff is not too hard to get, the remote control part requires some sophistication, i would guess, though. RIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders3000 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 German Engineer Killed By Bomb In Chon BuriCHONBURI: -- The torn-apart body of a German engineer was found in rubber plantation in Banglamung district here Friday morning, police said. Police said the remains of Uwe Keienburt, 45, who was an engineer of a real estate company, was found by a rubber tapper in the morning. Police said the bomb appeared to be C4 explosives tied to the body of the man, whose BMW car was found left about 500 away. Police said the killer used a remote control to detonate the bomb that torn his body into pieces. His wife, Araya, 40, told police that the German engineer left their house on Soi Sukhumvit 24 at 9 am on Thursday and disappeared. She said her husband had conflicts with a group of foreign real estate developers and he sued to receive a death threat. -- The Nation 21/08/09 Firstly, condolences to the remaining family... Based on thE article if the facts are indeed accurate...it does appear to be quite a sophisticated and somewhat unusual method used to kill someone... Vorsprung durch Technik ? It appears it was certainly meant to send out a message to someone but to who, why and exactly what? is certainly open to speculation for now and the immediate future. No doubt the budding "amateur detectives" will have their theories but it will be interesting to see who if anyone gets arrested and charged and how quickly, unless of course the Thai mafia decides it was out of order because for sure they will certainly know more quickly than the authorities ever will. Ohh, the land of smiles, sunshine...sex, drugs and the mafia...but its certainly no worse than many so called civilised Western countries! Keep a stiff upper lip lads and "carry on regardless" cos its pissing down with COLD rain here everyday! P.S. I don't suppose anyone knows what year the BMW was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaoPo Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 German Engineer Killed By Bomb In Chon BuriCHONBURI: -- The torn-apart body of a German engineer was found in rubber plantation in Banglamung district here Friday morning, police said. Police said the remains of Uwe Keienburt, 45, who was an engineer of a real estate company, was found by a rubber tapper in the morning. Police said the bomb appeared to be C4 explosives tied to the body of the man, whose BMW car was found left about 500 away. Police said the killer used a remote control to detonate the bomb that torn his body into pieces. His wife, Araya, 40, told police that the German engineer left their house on Soi Sukhumvit 24 at 9 am on Thursday and disappeared. She said her husband had conflicts with a group of foreign real estate developers and he sued to receive a death threat. -- The Nation 21/08/09 An 'engineer of a real estate company'? what on earth is that? 'he sued to receive a death threat'? Theres obvious issues with this report, but C4 strapped to a chap and detonated remotely means your dealing with someone with an advanced military knowledge(background) and connections, presumably local not foreign. Awful news for the family. RIP Previous Thailand scandal with German engineer of very similar name: http://gomaco.com/resources/worldstories/w...talianthai.html probably just a coincidence however. NOT a coincidence; it IS the same man! thanks for the link Lannarebirth! "The ability to adjust the vibrators on-the-go and the mold for edge slump is invaluable," Uwe Keienburg, ITD's* paving consultant, said." In the last, but one, sentence of the article-link, handed by Lannarebirth. * ITD = Italian-Thai Development Public Company, Ltd. (ITD) LaoPo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Africanteacher Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Thats just so sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20member09 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Won't be heard of outside the country. It will be front page news in Germany, something like this will not stsy local. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChalongBoy Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Blowing him up with military grade explosives isn't exactly your average bump off the competition with a .38 revolver.Sounds like someone is sending a very clear message going to such extremes. Very well put - I am not sure what this was all about but this is a very strong message and shows connections above and beyond a group of foreign real estate developers Car Bombings, shootings, motorbike attacks...Sounds like Hua Hin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxxx Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 i think people generally underestimate how dangerous this country is and how poorly the police do in protecting the people before the event. it's very easy for the average construction company to pay their cambodian / lao / burmese illegal immigrant workers 50k or less to kill someone and disappear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chunkton Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 (edited) It will be heard outside of the country and already is.........the age of the internet......eventually a simple search of violence/murder/pattaya/chonburi/real estate will lead to the story. And how many potential tourists are going to do that? Half of them probably don't read the local news at home. I would imagine a German being blown to bits with C4 in Thailand would reach the German newspapers at least. Not sure why you think this is a non-news issue. Any death is awful, condolences to the family. Edited August 21, 2009 by Chunkton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleming Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Crime pays – but for whom? ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chunkton Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Nice bit of professional police work there in that video of a crime scene - a complete group of Sherlock Holmes. No wonder Thai police couldn't solve a crime if their life depended on it. Condolences to his family. I would disagree, knowing the Thai grapevine, I would imagine they can solve any case they are interested in actually solving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clonetom Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 I've tipped off the German press (dpa, Welt, FAZ)... Until now there has been no coverage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiangMaiFurnishedApts Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Nasty nasty way to die. Condoleances to his family, friends and anyone who knew him because this is something that is not easily forgotton. No matter how much you piss someone off, no one deserves to die this in this fashion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaoPo Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Engineer Mr. Uwe Keienburg worked with/for Vinci Consulting Co., Ltd. - Thailand. Vinci Consulting seems to be a respectable engineering/infrastructure and consulting company in Thailand: http://vinciconsulting.net/index2.html Mr. Uwe Keienburg, part of the 2004 golf-team #19 by GOMACO Corp., a leading US company in concrete paving technology. http://www.gomaco.com/index.html LaoPo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 what are the odds some poor taxi tout will "confess" to the crime and it will soon be all forgotten? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Engineer Mr. Uwe Keienburg worked with/for Vinci Consulting Co., Ltd. - Thailand.Vinci Consulting seems to be a respectable engineering/infrastructure and consulting company in Thailand: http://vinciconsulting.net/index2.html Mr. Uwe Keienburg, part of the 2004 golf-team #19 by GOMACO Corp., a leading US company in concrete paving technology. http://www.gomaco.com/index.html LaoPo Why would anyone want to kill an engineer specialising in the strength of concrete structures? I'm baffled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlackJawChef Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Waoow... This is defiantly someone sending a message loud and clear.... I don't think C4 wolud be that hard to obtain... It is in most land mine's ... so posably free.. Just risky to get ... and comes with a free detonater A "remote detonator" sounds James Bond'y, but it could be as simple as a cell phone, with the detonator attached to the speaker, when it rings, it go's off.... As someone already said, thankfully he wouldn't have felt it.. but the time leading up to it must have been pure terror ......... My sincerest condolences to the family.... R.I.P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasreeve17 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 hardcore... strapped with c4 with a remote trigger.how doesn't that warrant a massive search and crack down. Agree 100%. If crimes like this go uninvestigated or are just accepted ('well it happens in the US ') then our society is beyond farked... Whoever committed this crime (If it wan't suicide; I don't know.) needs to be caught and sentenced extremely harshly; life, meaning life. What makes you think there isn't a massive search going on ? Its possible they dont need to because they already know exactly which mafia is responsible. Getting proof is much more difficult though.... Maybe your suggesting that just because there a tea money culture in Thailand they dont care about anything like this...I would argue very strongly that is NOT the case and this incident will be taken very seriously indeed. I hope you are correct - past experiences, however, suggest otherwise... (primarily because there is a teamoney culture!) Whoever did this extremely visible crime believes they are above the law, so many in this country have proven time and again that they are... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sohoproperties Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 This seems a very high tech way to get rid of someone should make it easier to trace them, we hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clonetom Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Why would anyone want to kill an engineer specialising in the strength of concrete structures? I'm baffled. Weren't there some topics about the airport runway back in 2007? cracks? low grade concrete? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
churchill Posted August 21, 2009 Author Share Posted August 21, 2009 German engineer killed in Chonburi CHONBURI, Aug 21 (TNA) – A German resident in Thailand was killed in a rubber plantation by an explosive device attached to his body in the eastern province of Chonburi, according to local police. Police investigators found pieces of human remains identified as German national Uwe Keienburt, 45, an engineer, scattered over a 50-metre radius in a rubber plantation in Banglamung district Friday morning. His driver’s licence was also found at the crime scene, but his head was missing. A BMW sedan, presumed to be Mr Keienburt’s vehicle, was parked 100 metres from his remains. Mr Keienburt’s Thai wife, Mrs Araya, 40, told the police investigators that her husband had left home in Bangkok’s Sukhumvit Soi 24 at 9am on Wednesday. She notified Bangkok police about the disappearance and asked for help in finding him. The wife also told police that her husband had work-related conflict with foreign investors and had received a death threat. Pol Lt-Col Prakorb Sangpring, head of the police investigative team at Huay Yai Police Station said an explosive device believed to be C-4 bomb had been attached to Mr Keienburt’s stomach apparently to force him to negotiate or to reveal certain information. He speculated the victim was killed after refusing to give in. In an attempt to speed up the case, Pol Maj-Gen Bandid Kunachak, regional police chief, said investigators were seeking clues from foreigners and foreign mafia gangs in the tourist seaside tourist town of Pattaya as the circumstances surrounding Mr Keienburt’s death bore the hallmark of a mafia-related attack. (TNA) -- TNA 21/08/09http://enews.mcot.net/view.php?id=11430 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soupdragon Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 (edited) Why would anyone want to kill an engineer specialising in the strength of concrete structures? I'm baffled.Unless his speciality was how many bodies you could add to the concrete without weakening the structure All this talk of Mafia involvement........... Edited August 21, 2009 by Soupdragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brahmburgers Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Talking about securing a crime scen..; people walking around as on an outing or a picnic!! Now I do better understand,why the Thai police have such a bad crime-solving record....( I refer to the video,shown in a previous post) I haven't seen the video, but I can imagine a much-less-than-professional assessment by local law enforcement. Also, how do they know it's C4? It could have been dynamite, which is easier to get hold of. The wife is doubtless in danger, as she probably knows specifically who he's been having troubles with. She should either split town incognito or get police protection. I hope they catch the perpetrators and hand 'em high. Despicable act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kampengphetklaus Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Sorry for him and his family. RIP Uwe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noithip Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 This seems a very high tech way to get rid of someone should make it easier to trace them, we hope. Not really high tech. And tracing them through the explosives, I think, very unlikely. He must have pissed somebody really off to get killed like this though, so that should be easier to find out who. Unfortunatly this things are mostly well organized and the people paying for the murder unfortunatly rarely are brought to justice. I do also hope that in this case they get caught though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaoPo Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 German engineer killed in Chonburi CHONBURI, Aug 21 (TNA) – A German resident in Thailand was killed in a rubber plantation by an explosive device attached to his body in the eastern province of Chonburi, according to local police. Police investigators found pieces of human remains identified as German national Uwe Keienburt, 45, an engineer, scattered over a 50-metre radius in a rubber plantation in Banglamung district Friday morning. His driver’s licence was also found at the crime scene, but his head was missing. A BMW sedan, presumed to be Mr Keienburt’s vehicle, was parked 100 metres from his remains. Mr Keienburt’s Thai wife, Mrs Araya, 40, told the police investigators that her husband had left home in Bangkok’s Sukhumvit Soi 24* at 9am on Wednesday. She notified Bangkok police about the disappearance and asked for help in finding him. The wife also told police that her husband had work-related conflict with foreign investors and had received a death threat. Pol Lt-Col Prakorb Sangpring, head of the police investigative team at Huay Yai Police Station said an explosive device believed to be C-4 bomb had been attached to Mr Keienburt’s stomach apparently to force him to negotiate or to reveal certain information. He speculated the victim was killed after refusing to give in. In an attempt to speed up the case, Pol Maj-Gen Bandid Kunachak, regional police chief, said investigators were seeking clues from foreigners and foreign mafia gangs in the tourist seaside tourist town of Pattaya as the circumstances surrounding Mr Keienburt’s death bore the hallmark of a mafia-related attack. (TNA) http://enews.mcot.net/view.php?id=11430 * Bangkok - Sukhumvit, Soi 24 is the same address as where Vinci Consulting Co., Ltd is located; looks like home/office address of Mr. Uwe Keienburg. Also, Mr. Keienburg's Vinci Consulting Ltd. seems to have been working together for and with GOMACO Corp/USA as well as Italian-Thai Development Public Company, Ltd. (ITD) on the construction of Suvarnabhumi airport. Hardly (very large) companies who settle -eventual- disputes the way as what happened to Mr. Keienburg, apart from the fact that the airport is long finished RIP Mr. Uwe Keienburg LaoPo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busy Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 It wasn't that long ago that a young guy was shot in Pattaya beside his car,he had dealings in property too. Been to Pattaya twice,god knows why people want to set up house there,there's lots of other places to go to in Thailand. Why not set up shop just past Hua Hin? There's lots of nice beaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noithip Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 (edited) German engineer killed in Chonburi CHONBURI, Aug 21 (TNA) – A German resident in Thailand was killed in a rubber plantation by an explosive device attached to his body in the eastern province of Chonburi, according to local police. Police investigators found pieces of human remains identified as German national Uwe Keienburt, 45, an engineer, scattered over a 50-metre radius in a rubber plantation in Banglamung district Friday morning. His driver's licence was also found at the crime scene, but his head was missing. A BMW sedan, presumed to be Mr Keienburt's vehicle, was parked 100 metres from his remains. Mr Keienburt's Thai wife, Mrs Araya, 40, told the police investigators that her husband had left home in Bangkok's Sukhumvit Soi 24 at 9am on Wednesday. She notified Bangkok police about the disappearance and asked for help in finding him. The wife also told police that her husband had work-related conflict with foreign investors and had received a death threat. Pol Lt-Col Prakorb Sangpring, head of the police investigative team at Huay Yai Police Station said an explosive device believed to be C-4 bomb had been attached to Mr Keienburt's stomach apparently to force him to negotiate or to reveal certain information. He speculated the victim was killed after refusing to give in. In an attempt to speed up the case, Pol Maj-Gen Bandid Kunachak, regional police chief, said investigators were seeking clues from foreigners and foreign mafia gangs in the tourist seaside tourist town of Pattaya as the circumstances surrounding Mr Keienburt's death bore the hallmark of a mafia-related attack. (TNA) -- TNA 21/08/09http://enews.mcot.net/view.php?id=11430 His head missing! Edited August 21, 2009 by noithip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electra Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Since conjecture is the mainstay of the forum, witless or otherwise, it should be noted that in Thailand murder of a falang is usually precipitated by either business activities or the intervention of a ' loved one ' protecting self interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LennyW Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 More here... http://www.pattayaone.net/news/2009/august..._21_08_52.shtml <H3 align=left>Body parts of German Engineer found in local plantation. </H3> Pattaya, August 21 [PATTAYA ONE NEWS] : Just after 11.30 on Friday Morning, Police Lieutenant Colonel Samae from Huoy Yai Police Station was called to a remote field after a farm worker discovered body parts strewn across part of the field and it was thought the body was that of a foreigner. Police arrived and cordoned off the area and began inspecting the body parts and found a driving license in the name of Mr. Uwe Keienburg aged 44 from Germany. Close-by was a device which contained evidence of C4 explosives. A Silver BMW 523i car was parked close-by and was found to be registered to Mr. Keienburg. Further checks into the victim confirmed he was employed as a Consultant Engineer for a company in Bangkok and back in 2004 he was involved in constructing the Suvanabumi Airport in Bangkok. It was also determined that he was in a dispute with a group of foreign property developers according to his wife, Khun Arayar aged 40 who explained that her Husband left their house in Bangkok at 9am on Thursday and failed to return. She had registered a missing persons report at Thonglor Police Station in Bangkok on Thursday Evening. Police are now basing the case on two theories. The first relates to the foreign developers Mr. Keienburg was in a dispute with and Police have also not ruled out suicide at this point. The investigation continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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