Five Wounded In Bomb Attack During Yellow Shirt Rally

[animatic]

Khattiya admits sneaking across border to meet Thaksin in Cambodia

-- The Nation Nov. 16/2009

[newsfooter][/newsfooter]

Maj-General Khattiya Sawatdiphol admitted Monday that he had sneaked into Cambodia to meet former premier Thaksin Shinawatra and Cambodian prime minister Hun Sen last week.

The politically active Army specialist better known as "Seh Daeng" said he managed to slip past immigration at the checkpoint by using his connections with Cambodian troops along the border.

The Nation

"politically active Army specialist better known as "Seh Daeng"

MOST CURIOUS...

Didn't this guy surface from the lair the LAST time PAD rally's were bombed...

Just like yesterday... Not heard from for months, then suddenly out of the blue

' I visited Thaksin!!! '

YEP! The attack dog wanted a Milkbone and pat on the head.

And now to publicly take credit, by inuendo, of course.

Coincidence...

Doubtful.

Access, motive, technique, ego, willingness.

Edited November 16, 2009 by animatic

[Dpolenz]

Dont believe evrything you read.

[animatic]

Why would I?

[zzaa09]

Dont believe evrything you read.

Nor should you take only establishment-based sources.

[animatic]

Right, no press rooms inside buildings with walls.

I only read news papers printed in open fields,

with naturally grown ink dyes,

and type smelted by hand from bronze age plowshares.

Edited November 16, 2009 by animatic

[geriatrickid]

>Using this board to malign a fellow Farang for being interested enough to attend UDD events, and has the power-of-his-convictions, including support of democratic traditions, is not appreciated. I am not him, but know of him. He is also an avowed Buddhist. Don't make trouble for your fellow Farang, even when you disagree with him. Let's be supportive of each other.

Sorry, but it is inappropriate for foreign nationals to undertake such political activities. There are avowed members of the "religion of peace" that do the same in the southern provinces and elsewhere. These people are called foreign instigators and terrorists. Is there a different rule that applies to westerners that undertake similar activities? In your view the person is an avowed Buddhist. In the eyes of the southern "visitors" they are avowed members of the "religion of peace" bringing only the words of peace to the oppressed.

It is being reported that the police have said the explosion was caused by an M79 grenade.

If we are not willing to believe the police on other issues, why the stampede to embrace this statement? Can we at least wait for the opinion of an actual expert in munitions from a reliable Thai agency? My understanding of grenades is that they leave shrapnel behind and the injuries sustained are concussion related. So far, I haven't seen any evidence of shrapnel and the injuries reported so far are not significant enough to suggest an actual grenade. If this device wasn't a real grenade, i.e. anti personnel, then why is it called a grenade? Not saying there wasn't a small explosion, but it would be nice to reference the correct cause.

Edited November 16, 2009 by geriatrickid

[Steve2UK]

<snip>

YEP! The attack dog wanted a Milkbone and pat on the head.

And now to publicly take credit, by inuendo, of course.

Coincidence...

Doubtful.

Access, motive, technique, ego, willingness.

Let me see....... It's been about a year since you started stating categorically that he was responsible for the grenade attacks on PAD at Government House. During that time, I (for one) have asked you at least twice to produce some valid evidence for the assertion - and I think I'm not the only one to ask. Result - zip.

This time - 24 hours after the event - here you are again. Only transparent and heavy-handed innuendo for now, but here you are again.

"Access, motive, technique, ego, willingness". Great list - but, without a scrap of viable evidence to support let alone confirm your latest assertion, it's as flightworthy as a dodo.

[tominbkk]

Better yet, partisan political identities should be banished and swept from the cultural mindset.

Haha who would be left?

[animatic]

<snip>

YEP! The attack dog wanted a Milkbone and pat on the head.

And now to publicly take credit, by inuendo, of course.

Coincidence...

Doubtful.

Access, motive, technique, ego, willingness.

Let me see....... It's been about a year since you started stating categorically that he was responsible for the grenade attacks on PAD at Government House. During that time, I (for one) have asked you at least twice to produce some valid evidence for the assertion - and I think I'm not the only one to ask. Result - zip.

This time - 24 hours after the event - here you are again. Only transparent and heavy-handed innuendo for now, but here you are again.

"Access, motive, technique, ego, willingness". Great list - but, without a scrap of viable evidence to support let alone confirm your latest assertion, it's as flightworthy as a dodo.

Which would explain what he isn't in jail for last years, wouldn't it? Friend.

I didn't categorically say he did it, I am just pointing out the reasons

he sits high on a short list. Even if the list of reasons might be by category also.

One of the main reasons is his obvious need for an ego fix,

can't shut his mouth it seems.... total silence till now... hmmmm.

Boom: oh hi again, forget about me?

Such an incredibly inept sense of the clandestine.

It need not fly,

nor do more than make people think on the 'coincidences and parallels'.

Edited November 16, 2009 by animatic

[tominbkk]

Politics anywhere is about achieving power and wealth by what ever means. Any actually idealistic and honest person can never be elected since the advent of electronic media as they won't dance to the contributors tune, and as such will never achieve sufficient funding.

Politics isn't anything to get emotional about as it is beyond our control, just sit back and watch the show as all the liars and thieves fight it out to get control of the teats of the treasury. It doesn't matter who wins as they are all the same article in a different packaging.

Red or Yellow etc, who cares? They are all corrupt and only interested in winning at any cost to achieve power and even more wealth. Democrats or Republicans, Labor or Conservative, all two sides of the same coin serving the same masters. And that isn't you or I.

Nominated for post of the year!

[neverdie]

Such sad disgraceful times

ohhh and the TV Forum on these issues are like so same &lt;deleted&gt;, different shovel

[Meridian007]

one of the suspect people met Thaksin:

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingne...der-to-meet-Tha

Umm, considering the current political crisis, isn't it a bit of a conflict of interest for a major-general from one side's military to be sneaking across the border to speak to members of the other side's government? Especially when it isn't at the behest (or even knowledge) of his own government? And then he admits it?

Doesn't this smack of treason a little? Why is this guy allowed to keep his title, or even be free to pull strings for his warlord?

I know that nothing official has been declared (yet, they're waiting for Obama to go back to the states first), but the diplomatic situation is very delicate right now. Isn't this further proof of Hun Sen/Thaksin egging Abhisit on?

[Steve2UK]

I didn't categorically say he did it, I am just pointing out the reasons

he sits high on a short list.

<snip>

Of course if Sae Daeng's little night time grenade attacks hadn't driven PAD from GH

and on the march to somewhere more important, and defensible,

this incident wouldn't have happened.

<snip>

[Publicus]

Politics anywhere is about achieving power and wealth by what ever means. Any actually idealistic and honest person can never be elected since the advent of electronic media as they won't dance to the contributors tune, and as such will never achieve sufficient funding.

Politics isn't anything to get emotional about as it is beyond our control, just sit back and watch the show as all the liars and thieves fight it out to get control of the teats of the treasury. It doesn't matter who wins as they are all the same article in a different packaging.

Red or Yellow etc, who cares? They are all corrupt and only interested in winning at any cost to achieve power and even more wealth. Democrats or Republicans, Labor or Conservative, all two sides of the same coin serving the same masters. And that isn't you or I.

Nominated for post of the year!

Pertaining to Thailand and to other Old World, Third World countries, societies and their decrepit cultures and policitical economy, one after the other. However, if we think (and know) Thailand is in a terrible shape and condition, consider Zimabwe and Mugabe. It's a matter of degree and extent.

The critical question is whether Thailand is headed in that direction with Thaksin as fanatically determined to regain power as Mugabe is fanatical to retain it interminibly.

[Dpolenz]

Such sad disgraceful times

ohhh and the TV Forum on these issues are like so same &lt;deleted&gt;, different shovel

Spot on,the same drivel from the tv political experts ,Your not thai guys...Grabs my coat......

[Bagwan]

So Immigration or the Border Police won't be taking action against the Major General person then? Do Thais need a visa to enter Cambodia?

[Valentine]

The major general has supposedly admitted committing an unlawful act. Surely charges should be laid against him possibly including treason. If this guy is still tolerated in the army ut begs the question of who's side the army is really on.

I notice one report as saying Mr T offered to help with the "spy" case which could be why it was engineered in the first place so he could claim credit. The government refused his offer.

This whole sad & sorry charade is reminscent of the intrigues in medieval courts as much of the country still seems rooted in a feudal type system no matter how much it is glossed over.

Resorting to violence such as the recent "grenade" attack is despicable & highlights the unwillingness by all participants not to come up with a creative solution to truly benefit the Thai people.

[animatic]

I didn't categorically say he did it, I am just pointing out the reasons

he sits high on a short list.

<snip>

Of course if Sae Daeng's little night time grenade attacks hadn't driven PAD from GH

and on the march to somewhere more important, and defensible,

this incident wouldn't have happened.

<snip>

His mouth last year again.

He announced this stuff would happen before the fact.

It happened in almost exactly the way he announced.

He publicly trained red shirts to do this in a public park.

He was then forcibly silenced by his bosses last year for making the situation worse.

And so went silent afterwards...but now.... he's back.

Now he's suddenly on the scene again JUST at this moment...

What happened right after his little cross border visit?

In quote one above, of course I was referring to the post this week, not weeks/months ago.

And that based on circumstantial evidence and that of his own mouth.

Where there's smoke there's fire.

A reddened folk hero in the making.

If he didn't foretell the GH incidents with all too accurate prescience,

see quote in post above, it would be easier to NOT think he was....

pick your verb of choice.

Edited November 17, 2009 by animatic

[rfukata]

Those "peaceful" redshirts at it again. Support them at your peril.

How about we start with an accurate report first?

When there was violence at the Cambodian temple site during the yellow shirt excursion, it was apparent, that the violent parties may have been sympathetic to the yellow shirts, were neither supported nor directed by yellow shirt leadership. I would suggest that the same holds here; that some idiots that may or may not be sympathetic to the redshirts may be implicated. For all we know it could be a dissident yellow shirt faction responsible. It certainly wasn't the redshirts that tried to assassinate the beloved PAD leader last time. I suggest we wait for a more reliable report.

These stories tend to grow wings and fly taking on "fact" as they are repeated with each retelling adding more fanciful fact.

very true;

yellow is similar to the provocation in the south; a dissident resident from the south autonomous faction responsible for the violence.

If the Yellow faction would really like to settle this with Cambodia, then I suggest the yellow cross the border and vent

their anger against Cambodia and attempt the extradition of ex-PM Thaksin.

-another important factor under-scores that some people are just sick and tired of the yellow behavior & prolonged

unhappiness and unnecessary demonstrations, therefore anybody could have launched this attack.

(the yellow doesn't seem to understand the sacrifice of innocent people resulting in death)

[awd]

In most of the world, firing upon insurgents who occupy govt buildings or take control of international airports is thought of as an act of patriotism. Refusing to fire is treason, and that is exactly what happened in Thailand.

[caf]

<snip>

YEP! The attack dog wanted a Milkbone and pat on the head.

And now to publicly take credit, by inuendo, of course.

Coincidence...

Doubtful.

Access, motive, technique, ego, willingness.

Let me see....... It's been about a year since you started stating categorically that he was responsible for the grenade attacks on PAD at Government House. During that time, I (for one) have asked you at least twice to produce some valid evidence for the assertion - and I think I'm not the only one to ask. Result - zip.

This time - 24 hours after the event - here you are again. Only transparent and heavy-handed innuendo for now, but here you are again.

"Access, motive, technique, ego, willingness". Great list - but, without a scrap of viable evidence to support let alone confirm your latest assertion, it's as flightworthy as a dodo.

Which would explain what he isn't in jail for last years, wouldn't it? Friend.

I didn't categorically say he did it, I am just pointing out the reasons

he sits high on a short list. Even if the list of reasons might be by category also.

One of the main reasons is his obvious need for an ego fix,

can't shut his mouth it seems.... total silence till now... hmmmm.

Boom: oh hi again, forget about me?

Such an incredibly inept sense of the clandestine.

It need not fly,

nor do more than make people think on the 'coincidences and parallels'.

There is no evidence in your post, no facts to debate, it's like reading a fictional novel.

Sorry but I have to agree with steve2uk

[caf]

Politics anywhere is about achieving power and wealth by what ever means. Any actually idealistic and honest person can never be elected since the advent of electronic media as they won't dance to the contributors tune, and as such will never achieve sufficient funding.

Politics isn't anything to get emotional about as it is beyond our control, just sit back and watch the show as all the liars and thieves fight it out to get control of the teats of the treasury. It doesn't matter who wins as they are all the same article in a different packaging.

Red or Yellow etc, who cares? They are all corrupt and only interested in winning at any cost to achieve power and even more wealth. Democrats or Republicans, Labor or Conservative, all two sides of the same coin serving the same masters. And that isn't you or I.

Nominated for post of the year!

Pertaining to Thailand and to other Old World, Third World countries, societies and their decrepit cultures and policitical economy, one after the other. However, if we think (and know) Thailand is in a terrible shape and condition, consider Zimabwe and Mugabe. It's a matter of degree and extent.

The critical question is whether Thailand is headed in that direction with Thaksin as fanatically determined to regain power as Mugabe is fanatical to retain it interminibly.

I am glad someone else has drawn the parallel with Zimbabwe. I've mentioned it before. The parallel though could apply to other people as well as Taksin. T. is not in power but some of the parallels are there even now.

Many signs are the same: disinformation, no freedom of speech, no clear economic planning, veiled attacks on opposition party, military involvement.....

[Siripon]

Interesting that Hun Sen has locked arms with Sae Daeng in the photo, they must be very close, that photo was first in Krungthep Turakit newspaper.

Now why would Thaksin agree to meet a man whom many regard as mentally unhinged?

Perhaps instructions needed to be passed by word of mouth as to upcoming covert operations.

[animatic]

Agree with whomever you like.

We know who he is devoted to, by his own words.

We know who he hates with out exception, by his own words.

We know he says one thing and that thing happens on cue.

Clear patterns of behavior exist in the public domain.

Where there's smoke there's usually fire.

[hammered]

Of course it is worrying when covert operations specialists gets involved in a very tense political operation. Lets hope it doesnt pressage any events in the coming weeks and is just a meeting of old friends. The last thing Thailand needs is mopre violence although many I talk to still seem resigned to it happening.

I read somewhere that Sae Daeng is still a serving soldier. If so I would have though he may be in some trouble for admitting to illegally crossing a border. In fact maybe anyone who admitted that would be open to charge.

[LawnGnome]

Like the 50 PTP MP's who crossed the border to meet with their "Dark Lord" instead of sitting in Parliment, which they were elected and get paid to do. Too much trouble it seems.

[virtualtraveller]

Doesn't surprise me, the Police in general aren't terribly sympathetic to the yellow shirts, I wouldn't be surprised if someone in red paid them all to go off for a 'massage'.

[hammered]

Like the 50 PTP MP's who crossed the border to meet with their "Dark Lord" instead of sitting in Parliment, which they were elected and get paid to do. Too much trouble it seems.

I can understand why polticians do it and really it isnt that worrying as politicians play politics, and in fairness the Dems boyotted an election which I thought was their right so I cant really see that the opposition boycotting a parliamentary session is a problem. Surely the government have enough of a majority and enough senate support to quorate the meeting themselves. However, covert operatives especially if serving officers is a bit more worrying. In his latest Twitter Thaksin has compared himself with Pridi and said he doesnt know how much more the red shirts can take.

It all seems to be leading to a new offensive but in what form who knows. Persoanlly I just hope everything remains peaceful and as a foreigner in Thailand realise it is up to the Thai people to resolve what direction their country will take. My opinions on one side or the other dont really matter.

[animatic]

Like the 50 PTP MP's who crossed the border to meet with their "Dark Lord" instead of sitting in Parliment, which they were elected and get paid to do. Too much trouble it seems.

I can understand why polticians do it and really it isnt that worrying as politicians play politics, and in fairness the Dems boyotted an election which I thought was their right so I cant really see that the opposition boycotting a parliamentary session is a problem. Surely the government have enough of a majority and enough senate support to quorate the meeting themselves. However, covert operatives especially if serving officers is a bit more worrying. In his latest Twitter Thaksin has compared himself with Pridi and said he doesnt know how much more the red shirts can take.

It all seems to be leading to a new offensive but in what form who knows. Persoanlly I just hope everything remains peaceful and as a foreigner in Thailand realise it is up to the Thai people to resolve what direction their country will take. My opinions on one side or the other dont really matter.

One difference there is no law that says any party, even a large one, must run in an election.

There IS a law saying MP's must adhear to their duties,

since this legislative session was well announced in advance,

all of them can not just call in sick from Cambodia, while having a party...

and expect to be believed. Since the PTP crowd will sue the Gov. at the drop of a hat,

for the most minor possible issue, just as harassment, they can't cry foul at being called

on dropping their own call to national duty in such a blatant fashion.

[hammered]

Like the 50 PTP MP's who crossed the border to meet with their "Dark Lord" instead of sitting in Parliment, which they were elected and get paid to do. Too much trouble it seems.

I can understand why polticians do it and really it isnt that worrying as politicians play politics, and in fairness the Dems boyotted an election which I thought was their right so I cant really see that the opposition boycotting a parliamentary session is a problem. Surely the government have enough of a majority and enough senate support to quorate the meeting themselves. However, covert operatives especially if serving officers is a bit more worrying. In his latest Twitter Thaksin has compared himself with Pridi and said he doesnt know how much more the red shirts can take.

It all seems to be leading to a new offensive but in what form who knows. Persoanlly I just hope everything remains peaceful and as a foreigner in Thailand realise it is up to the Thai people to resolve what direction their country will take. My opinions on one side or the other dont really matter.

One difference there is no law that says any party, even a large one, must run in an election.

There IS a law saying MP's must adhear to their duties,

since this legislative session was well announced in advance,

all of them can not just call in sick from Cambodia, while having a party...

and expect to be believed. Since the PTP crowd will sue the Gov. at the drop of a hat,

for the most minor possible issue, just as harassment, they can't cry foul at being called

on dropping their own call to national duty in such a blatant fashion.

I also dont have a problem with the Dems doing that after all it is all poltics, but personally I cant see blame in people missing a parlaimentary meeting unless of course it is on a regular basis when of course they arent doing their job, but a one off? I also think the PTPs argument they all booked business leave is silly. It is just politics. I also cant work out how the government which has a majority in the lower house and suppor tof at least half the senators cant get a quorum. If they sue PTP, they may well have to sue a bunch of senators and coalition MPs.

Just rearrange the meeting and use the whips to ensure you have enough of your own people present.