theoldgit Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Just to advise the UKBA has introduced, from 30 November, the checking of fingerprints against those recorded in biometric capture on visas, for those seeking entry at the Port of Entry into the UK, they assure travellers that it will not take any longer than the current checks, and they will be done by the scanning of two fingers. They say that the purpose of this latest check is to ensure that the person who has actually applied for the visa is the one seeking to enter. They do warn that if you refuse to have your fingerprints checked you will be subject to further checks, but go short of saying that a refusal would automatically result in entry being refused. As a matter of interest a similar method of fingerprint capture is used by UKBA Enforcement Officers to check if a person has ever made an asylum claim in The UK or elsewhere in Europe, courtesy of Eurodac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiang mai Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 " and they will be done by the scanning of two fingers", Do we get to pick which two we hold up to get checked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldgit Posted December 4, 2009 Author Share Posted December 4, 2009 " and they will be done by the scanning of two fingers",Do we get to pick which two we hold up to get checked? I worded like that for that very reason, but sadly not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaeagle Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Good move. Totally in favour of using technology to combat illegal immigration / fraudulent entry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiang mai Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Good move. Totally in favour of using technology to combat illegal immigration / fraudulent entry. A double edged sword I'm afraid, the technology that combats illegal immigration also serves to track and monitor the average citizen. I also am in favour of the positive use of that technology but remain suspicious of secondary purposes, hence, my bow string pulling fingers will be in evidence at such requests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiang mai Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 (edited) Good move. Totally in favour of using technology to combat illegal immigration / fraudulent entry. Yet another stereo posting courtesy of TOT? Apologies. Edited December 4, 2009 by chiang mai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldgit Posted December 4, 2009 Author Share Posted December 4, 2009 But it's only for travellers who require a visa entering the country so it will hardly monitor the movements of UK citizens, though I suspect that when e-borders is fully implemented that may provide monitoring of suspects. I believe that the US has been carrying out fingerprint capture and photographing on all arrivals for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 (edited) ^ Yup. The US must have thousands of my dabs by now. For years it was index fingers only, now it's all four fingers on each hand. Funnily enough, they baled me up on entry last month for an alleged overstay in 2003. I guess not all the technology is real-time eh? The UK eBorders has been quietly rolled out with those that chose to dodge court dates or fail to pay fines getting their collar felt upon re-entering from overseas. IMHO, all this added security and scrutiny seems to do is net the minnows and minor offenders because we never hear how it's helped nail a major drug dealer, tax dodger or serial killer. Edited December 4, 2009 by NanLaew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippyted Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 ^ Yup. The US must have thousands of my dabs by now. For years it was index fingers only, now it's all four fingers on each hand. Funnily enough, they baled me up on entry last month for an alleged overstay in 2003. I guess not all the technology is real-time eh?The UK eBorders has been quietly rolled out with those that chose to dodge court dates or fail to pay fines getting their collar felt upon re-entering from overseas. IMHO, all this added security and scrutiny seems to do is net the minnows and minor offenders because we never hear how it's helped nail a major drug dealer, tax dodger or serial killer. HERE HERE WELL POSTED THAT MAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathanpattaya Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 It's inevitable really, isn't it? Almost as inevitable as the cynical responses this topic is going to draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArthurPewty Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 Seems a fair response to a growing menace of immigration abuse. Those that should enter will be allowed to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pash Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 ^ Yup. The US must have thousands of my dabs by now. For years it was index fingers only, now it's all four fingers on each hand. Funnily enough, they baled me up on entry last month for an alleged overstay in 2003. I guess not all the technology is real-time eh?The UK eBorders has been quietly rolled out with those that chose to dodge court dates or fail to pay fines getting their collar felt upon re-entering from overseas. IMHO, all this added security and scrutiny seems to do is net the minnows and minor offenders because we never hear how it's helped nail a major drug dealer, tax dodger or serial killer. How come there was none (fingerprints) required in May 2009?? Flying into L.A.?? Only times I have used it is for E-gates in some countries and that is thumb only!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alyx Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 But it's only for travellers who require a visa entering the country so it will hardly monitor the movements of UK citizens, though I suspect that when e-borders is fully implemented that may provide monitoring of suspects.I believe that the US has been carrying out fingerprint capture and photographing on all arrivals for years. What goes around comes around Right now the topic is too sensitive to be imposed on their Nationals as that would be stamped as a breach of Human Rights But eventually it will all come down to it: Remember Da Vinci, Jules Vernes etc... with their incredible stories like flying or going 20.000 leagues under the sea. Well they were correct! Now, look at all the movies (not talking about the Fantastic Four): it is just a glimpse at what the future holds for us Without exposing the minds of these great men and women, look into the past: some decades ago, people were to declare their religion then wear some distinctive stars. The same goes for SA passport were the holder's colour was mentionned. You can go on and on.... Yes to the protection of the citizens, but no thanks when it comes to deal with the citizens themselves: under the pretext of preventing unwanted individuals from crossing the border (or anything else for that matter), people who, by the way, are, most of the time, spotted by the, often bashed at, efficient immigration officers, a profile of every individual is put on files I am not being paranoïd although I might sound like it (actually I would do the same as everyone else: getting fingerprinted) but every day there is a new regulation NOT aimed at the honest abiding citizen which eventually becomes a law Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetravellingcat Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 No human being deserves to be chipped and tracked like an animal. Then again peoples behavior is sometimes akin to animals - sheep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArthurPewty Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 No human being deserves to be chipped and tracked like an animal. Then again peoples behavior is sometimes akin to animals - sheep. Err! What about drug traffickers, arms smugglers, robbers on the run or terrorists? Be good to track them, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doomster Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 Good move. Totally in favour of using technology to combat illegal immigration / fraudulent entry. well wasn't it the current government who illeagaly fast tracked 100s of thousands of illegals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doomster Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 No human being deserves to be chipped and tracked like an animal. Then again peoples behavior is sometimes akin to animals - sheep. Err! What about drug traffickers, arms smugglers, robbers on the run or terrorists? Be good to track them, right? why not just say it in one - government Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7by7 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 This is moving into a political discussion, and this is a visa and migration forum; so....closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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