Abhisit Insists Thaksin Must Serve Jail Term

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Abhisit insists Thaksin must serve jail term before talk could be held

Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva Monday insisted that former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra must return to serve his two-year jail term first before a reconciliation talk could be held.

Abhisit laughed when reporters informed him that the Thaksin side demanded the political clock to be rewound to before the 1996 coup and a new election be held as a conditions for a talk.

"He must return to face the justice first and then we can talk," Abhisit said.

-- The Nation 2009/12/21

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[Ricardo]

The 1996 coup

Yet another classic from 'The Nation'.

[neverdie]

[Oberkommando]

We can't have rich people going to jail in Thailand. What an awful precedent that would set.

[SpoliaOpima]

We can't have rich people going to jail in Thailand. What an awful precedent that would set.

Mae Chamoy already set that precedent, only recently released after many years in prison.

[hammered]

If the parties want to truly have reconcilliation talks they should meet with no pre-conditions on both sides imho. Right now both main sides in their power struggle put forward pre-conditions they know full well the other side wont accept.

[Artisi]

Seems Thaksin, whatever his name is today is a comedian among other things

[Insight]

Seems Thaksin or Takki, whatever his name is today is a comedian among other things

Are you referring to his "power maniac" comments?

[gemini81]

they're just giving the old greedy man what he wants with lots of media coverage. best if they just shut down all coverage of him and treat him like he doesn't exist.

[Artisi]

they're just giving the old greedy man what he wants with lots of media coverage. best if they just shut down all coverage of him and treat him like he doesn't exist.

I fully agree, no more media coverage - seems everytime he f_arts it has to be reported as something newsworthy.

[Publicus]

If the parties want to truly have reconcilliation talks they should meet with no pre-conditions on both sides imho. Right now both main sides in their power struggle put forward pre-conditions they know full well the other side wont accept.

Exactly.

If Thaksin is serious, and I fear he is, he's more mad than I'd thought.

Thaksin hasn't anything to negotiate. What, he's gonna call off another rally by 10k reds if Thailand doesn't turn the clock back to 1996? Big threat. (Unless the reds have weapons, which isn't beyond reality.)

Thaksin wants the government to resign, revoke the 2007 constitution, negate his conviction and prison sentence, return the loot to him, have another election he can buy so he can write his own constitution. Who is his right mind.......... 

............This madness will continue until the government denies Thaksin all of the loot. He's been pushing too hard for too long. Shut him down completely. Then he won't be able to buy anyone for anything. Break him completely otherwise he won't ever go away. 

Hun Sen had better watch out, Thaksin might buy a coup there just to taunt Thailand!

Edited December 21, 2009 by Publicus

[caf]

If the parties want to truly have reconcilliation talks they should meet with no pre-conditions on both sides imho. Right now both main sides in their power struggle put forward pre-conditions they know full well the other side wont accept.

Exactly.

If Thaksin is serious, and I fear he is, he's more mad than I'd thought.

Thaksin hasn't anything to negotiate. What, he's gonna call off another rally by 10k reds if Thailand doesn't turn the clock back to 1996? Big threat. (Unless the reds have weapons, which isn't beyond reality.)

Thaksin wants the government to resign, revoke the 2007 constitution, negate his conviction and prison sentence, return the loot to him, have another election he can buy so he can write his own constitution. Who is his right mind..........

............This madness will continue until the government denies Thaksin all of the loot. He's been pushing too hard for too long. Shut him down completely. Then he won't be able to buy anyone for anything. Break him completely otherwise he won't ever go away.

Hun Sen had better watch out, Thaksin might buy a coup there just to taunt Thailand!

Do you make most of your information up as you go along or do you follow a script? Just asking.

[Publicus]

If the parties want to truly have reconcilliation talks they should meet with no pre-conditions on both sides imho. Right now both main sides in their power struggle put forward pre-conditions they know full well the other side wont accept.

Exactly.

If Thaksin is serious, and I fear he is, he's more mad than I'd thought.

Thaksin hasn't anything to negotiate. What, he's gonna call off another rally by 10k reds if Thailand doesn't turn the clock back to 1996? Big threat. (Unless the reds have weapons, which isn't beyond reality.)

Thaksin wants the government to resign, revoke the 2007 constitution, negate his conviction and prison sentence, return the loot to him, have another election he can buy so he can write his own constitution. Who is his right mind..........

............This madness will continue until the government denies Thaksin all of the loot. He's been pushing too hard for too long. Shut him down completely. Then he won't be able to buy anyone for anything. Break him completely otherwise he won't ever go away.

Hun Sen had better watch out, Thaksin might buy a coup there just to taunt Thailand!

Do you make most of your information up as you go along or do you follow a script? Just asking.

If you need to ask then you have no clue.

[airplane]

Thaksin must give amnesty to the coup-makers and those that backed them and their proxies in the current government, if he is to return to serve in a future elected Thai govt. Though Thailand has suffered mercilessly as a result of the coup, forgiveness must be shown for the country to move forward.

[animatic]

Thaksin must give amnesty to the coup-makers and those that backed them and their proxies in the current government, if he is to return to serve in a future elected Thai govt. Though Thailand has suffered mercilessly as a result of the coup, forgiveness must be shown for the country to move forward.

Thaksin and Forgiveness;

are two words, but mutually exclusive.

Never the twain shall meet in the real world.

The Coup Makers have their amnesty, but no chance Thaksin gets back in,

without serving his sentence and acknowledging the existing amnesty.

I see more suffering from the Thaksin induced post coup effects than the actual coup itself.

If he had done like ALL his deposed predecessors and quietly faded away to count his money

and live all too well, the country would have been prepared properly to weather the world down turn.

Instead he tried to madly buy back his position and used PPP stupidly and ineffectively, after buying them into office.

So they were eyes off the REAL prize, and only dead set on getting the boss reinstated.

Thaksin fiddled as Bangkok burned, or at least slid closer to the flames....

And we entered a 75 year world recession with out a clue of it's approach from the PPP 'governing crew.

The only steps taken to forestall disaster were taken after Abhisit come on the job.

Of course by THAT TIME, a lot of damage was already done and the needed heavy lifting

that much more heavy and onerous a load for the country to bear.

[Publicus]

Thaksin has done to Thailand as Richard Nixon was fanatically doing in the US. 

Nixon the constitution shredder got put out properly by the particular constitutional processes of the US, Thaksin the law unto himself got dumped in the particularly Thai way bizarre as it may be.

Tricky Dick saw the end, bellyached and whined but left quietly and forever. Thaksin the Terrible knows no bounds.  

Nixon said he fought his good fight. Thaksin said he'd rather die than lose. 

One doesn't know when to give it up.

[LaoPo]

We can't have rich people going to jail in Thailand. What an awful precedent that would set.

Of course Oberkommando, of course, there wouldn't be enough prison cells to lock all Corruptos Ricos Elite, didn't you know that ?

LaoPo

[Donnyboy]

The 1996 coup

Yet another classic from 'The Nation'.

[aras]

what do the experts among you think about the policies taksin had implemented or was plannig( or said he was planning). ??

I am not talking about self enrichment which of course has happened and was not exclusive his game, and is very common in the world, even in us. I must say that in some european countries this is very rare or very very small amounts ( like declaring dinners etc like job related costs and get the money from the treasury) .But the rest of the world politicians well we all know.

[animatic]

You mean like the policy to cut 80% of Surat Thani's public works budget,

because Surat Thani didn't vote TRT in 2005. Oh yeah wonderful public policy from Dr. T.

Vindictiveness as public policy is a non-starter.

ALL Thai's should be represented by ANY elected government.

Not just those that voted for it. Thaksin never got that concept in the lsightest.

[Ricardo]

As an addendum to Animatic's post, I would add that I believe there are signs up in Chiang Mai, which report that the local-government just received/were-promised a 1.8 Billion Baht budget, from the central-government ?

Which would be an excellent example of how to show fair-treatment, of Thaksin's home-town and alleged-stronghold, as compared with DL's ranting when-in-power that provinces which didn't vote his way, need not expect any government-money in future.

[virtualtraveller]

There's a lot that goes on behind the scenes that we never get to hear, I'm guessing;

1. The so called 'elite' keeping him out offered a deal to unseize his money if he agreed to leave the country and never return

2. Deal was off the table when they realised Thaksin couldn't be trusted to keep his side, and was able to interfere even from Dubai

3. The so called pre-conditions are all typical opening gambits in Asian bargaining

4. The 'elite' will almost certainly now rule against Thaksin in the Asset Seizure as a way of tightening the screws (ie you continue to create problems, we won't give you a bean back for your war chest)

5. Although all the assets will be seized, they ought to rightfully return the amount that his before he came to power, but this will be used as a bargaining chip to make him back off, the more he quietens down, the more of his money he gets back, he'll end up getting a significant portion over the years as his influence wains and the risk of him having a large war chest subsides

Thaksin is a high stakes kind of guy, all or nothing gambler, he could have got his money back by now if he agreed to disappear but he's deluded by popularity and firmly believes that one way or another he will win and regain it all, perhaps greed sullies our senses

Edited December 22, 2009 by virtualtraveller

[Publicus]

<<snip>>

Thaksin is a high stakes kind of guy, all or nothing gambler   <<snip>>

That says it all. It accurately states why Thaksin will never quit.

Your scenario incidentally is probably a viable one, except for giving Thaksin any money because give him a dime and it's going to come right back as another red rally and satellite videocast, another visit to Phenom Penh etc etc.  

[BangkokJazz]

Thaksin is a high stakes kind of guy, all or nothing gambler, he could have got his money back by now if he agreed to disappear but he's deluded by popularity and firmly believes that one way or another he will win and regain it all, perhaps greed sullies our senses

Perhaps? lol

[slimdog]

Thaksin is a high stakes kind of guy, all or nothing gambler, he could have got his money back by now if he agreed to disappear but he's deluded by popularity and firmly believes that one way or another he will win and regain it all, perhaps greed sullies our senses

You are of course totally ignoring Section 30 of the NCCC act.

This amount is massive (nearly 27 billion baht). Do you think that people are going to simply walk away from a chance of pocketing this amount of money....

[hammered]

Thaksin is a high stakes kind of guy, all or nothing gambler, he could have got his money back by now if he agreed to disappear but he's deluded by popularity and firmly believes that one way or another he will win and regain it all, perhaps greed sullies our senses

You are of course totally ignoring Section 30 of the NCCC act.

This amount is massive (nearly 27 billion baht). Do you think that people are going to simply walk away from a chance of pocketing this amount of money....

This case and the money are driving and motivating everything that is happening right now. Everything else is window dressing.

[junglist]

Ever time I read these posts I hear in the back of my mind a old Reggae song. “Murdera the blood in on ya shoulders ”. He will pay way beyond the hardships of this life.

[DegenFarang]

Thaksin is a high stakes kind of guy, all or nothing gambler, he could have got his money back by now if he agreed to disappear but he's deluded by popularity and firmly believes that one way or another he will win and regain it all, perhaps greed sullies our senses

You are of course totally ignoring Section 30 of the NCCC act.

This amount is massive (nearly 27 billion baht). Do you think that people are going to simply walk away from a chance of pocketing this amount of money....

Him being Thai I'm sure it has a lot to do with saving face for him and his family as well. He would probably rather be a respected Thai citizen worth $100 Million than a shamed, forgotten, convict on the lam worth $10 Billion. Whereas most Westerners if given the option would likely take the $10 Billion, I know I would.

[SpoliaOpima]

Thaksin has done to Thailand as Richard Nixon was fanatically doing in the US. 

Nixon the constitution shredder got put out properly by the particular constitutional processes of the US, Thaksin the law unto himself got dumped in the particularly Thai way bizarre as it may be.

Tricky Dick saw the end, bellyached and whined but left quietly and forever. Thaksin the Terrible knows no bounds.  

Nixon said he fought his good fight. Thaksin said he'd rather die than lose. 

One doesn't know when to give it up.

Very apt analogy, both men bent on exalting executive power over judicial and legislative. In Nixion's time they called it an attempt to create a 'supreme presidency' and there were entire books written about the trend. If anything, Thaksin went much further, enacting legislation which he had no express constitutional power to do so, and pushing charter amendments that increased executive power. That's aside from all the legislation he pushed through merely to benefit ShinCorp.

[SpoliaOpima]

Correction, it wasn't called the 'supreme presidency,' rather the 'imperial presidency.'