2 Topics My God!, What Was That Racket Last Night On Samui?& Noise Pollution.

[Oak]

It sounds like Samui needs some zoning laws. The Island (to me at least) seems large enough and attractive enough that it ought to be able to accommodate both fuddy-duddy's who don't want to listen to machine generated music until 7 AM and those that do.

It does have a zoning law for entertainment businesses. See attached Map.

They also have licences issued for establishments outside the zone, with special conditions.I have a list of those & you will be very surprised who is & who isn't approved.

[BusyBee123]

There can't be many sounds more annoying than those produced by someone that's keeping you awake all night, but if there is one, I suspect it would be something like the sound of a screaming eagle.

your avatar is creeping me out!

[concerned]

There can't be many sounds more annoying than those produced by someone that's keeping you awake all night, but if there is one, I suspect it would be something like the sound of a screaming eagle.

your avatar is creeping me out!

Sorry! I'll change it immediately Sir!

[YanTree]

Last time I was on Samui I went to a couple of these parties and they were quite good More enjoyable than the Full Moon on Phangan because less people in a very spread out area. They had Thai Boxing and a huge dancing area+stage. It was mostly foreigners, prostitutes and Thai drug dealers.

[ChiangMaiThai]

Its a holiday island. This is what brings in the money so don't expect it to change anytime soon.

Live with it or move to Hua Hin.

What planet are you living on? Do you think the guests paying 20,000 Baht a night at Langham Place, Beach Republic, and other high end resorts in Lamai were out there on the beach jumping up and down enjoying themselves? This is exactly the kind of thing that will drive away the real money.

Samui's problem is a complete lack of law. To be sure, there were genuinely nice locals there, but the place is controlled by dark forces and I would never go back.

[ahinkel]

Its a holiday island. This is what brings in the money so don't expect it to change anytime soon.

Live with it or move to Hua Hin.

What planet are you living on? Do you think the guests paying 20,000 Baht a night at Langham Place, Beach Republic, and other high end resorts in Lamai were out there on the beach jumping up and down enjoying themselves? This is exactly the kind of thing that will drive away the real money.

Samui's problem is a complete lack of law. To be sure, there were genuinely nice locals there, but the place is controlled by dark forces and I would never go back.

Never seen any gothics last time there. Didnt think they liked the sun?

[screamingeagle]

Last time I was on Samui I went to a couple of these parties and they were quite good More enjoyable than the Full Moon on Phangan because less people in a very spread out area. They had Thai Boxing and a huge dancing area+stage. It was mostly foreigners, prostitutes and Thai drug dealers.

Prositution is illegal in Thailand. there are no prostitutes here!

[smokie36]

What planet are you living on? Do you think the guests paying 20,000 Baht a night at Langham Place, Beach Republic, and other high end resorts in Lamai were out there on the beach jumping up and down enjoying themselves? This is exactly the kind of thing that will drive away the real money.

Samui's problem is a complete lack of law. To be sure, there were genuinely nice locals there, but the place is controlled by dark forces and I would never go back.

If 20k a night can't buy you some peace and quiet then I pity such folks. If I was spending that amount per night I would barely leave the hotel during my trip. Hardly good news for the local economy. High end? Its this nonsense which is destroying the island!

Edited January 24, 2010 by smokie36

[maccaroni man]

It sounds like Samui needs some zoning laws. The Island (to me at least) seems large enough and attractive enough that it ought to be able to accommodate both fuddy-duddy's who don't want to listen to machine generated music until 7 AM and those that do.

It does have a zoning law for entertainment businesses. See attached Map.

They also have licences issued for establishments outside the zone, with special conditions.I have a list of those & you will be very surprised who is & who isn't approved.

i could not open the attachment but i do remember when the entertainment zones were put in place, and soi green mango along with soi reg were not part of it but the residential area on the lake road was in the middle of this brain fart. I had to ask who got paid on that one and why but then the black moon parties started and it became clear:( TIT

[LaoPo]

I just wonder what type of big spenders go to these do's & who do they actually cater for?

I thought you were smart enough to figure that out Rooo....?

"Normal" party goers who drink and dance are finished at a certain stage...the pill takers go on till they drop and it doesn't matter what time it is and whether the sun is up or not..they just go on and on; the music is their speed and water is their booze; they don't care about alcohol...

They just float on the music beat

The only way to stop this (endless music beat) is a strict limit to closing times and better control of drugs..

LaoPo

[screamingeagle]

What planet are you living on? Do you think the guests paying 20,000 Baht a night at Langham Place, Beach Republic, and other high end resorts in Lamai were out there on the beach jumping up and down enjoying themselves? This is exactly the kind of thing that will drive away the real money.

Samui's problem is a complete lack of law. To be sure, there were genuinely nice locals there, but the place is controlled by dark forces and I would never go back.

If 20k a night can't buy you some peace and quiet then I pity such folks. If I was spending that amount per night I would barely leave the hotel during my trip. Hardly good news for the local economy. High end? Its this nonsense which is destroying the island!

Well said. I agree 100% with this.

[crusty]

Its a holiday island. This is what brings in the money so don't expect it to change anytime soon.

Live with it or move to Hua Hin.

What planet are you living on? Do you think the guests paying 20,000 Baht a night at Langham Place, Beach Republic, and other high end resorts in Lamai were out there on the beach jumping up and down enjoying themselves? This is exactly the kind of thing that will drive away the real money.

Samui's problem is a complete lack of law. To be sure, there were genuinely nice locals there, but the place is controlled by dark forces and I would never go back.

Imagine paying 18,000 Baht a day at The Library and you can't doze off in you dack chair because some d----head passes every half hour in his long tail boat blasting the beach with his advertising

[smokie36]

Imagine paying 18,000 Baht a day at The Library and you can't doze off in you dack chair because some d----head passes every half hour in his long tail boat blasting the beach with his advertising

I'm paying 1500 Baht a night. Sitting on my balcony with only the sound of the waves below.

These people are the poor suckers!

[bellste]

Its a holiday island. This is what brings in the money so don't expect it to change anytime soon.

Live with it or move to Hua Hin.

You're right. Whatever the pros and cons of commercially promoted noise pollution, this is a holiday destination for (mostly) young people who seem to like to jump up and down to excruciatingly load "music" for an extended period of time. Can't complain, really.

True it is a holiday island

But there are a lot of people who come here on holiday with their families who do not want this imposition. Also, there are many people here who wanted to enjoy (early) retirement or have made their base here, they have every right to complain.

I thought that Samui was trying move upmarket and encourage investment and "high end" holidaymakers.

Catering for a whole load of nocturnal revellers in the interest of short term greed is just not good for long term business. Already Chaweng is being likened to Pattaya and Patong, I suppose Lamai is next on the list.

Oh, come on.... It always has been a young peoples holiday destination. Why come to an island with your family and then complain you don't like it. Google samui. Or do some other research. You want quiet, go to Kho Tao, Koh Chang or the Amazon rain forest.. Really. That is such a lame excuse. It's like going to Las Vegas and complaining about all the casinos. Same with retirees. Why retire to an island with a vibrant night life. Doh!!! Retire to Hua Hin, for goodness sake. And who, apart from (maybe) you is comparing Chaweng with Pattaya and Patong? Have you been to those two places recently??? And god forbid we have any more "high end" holidaymakers who never leave their 5 star cocoon and add nothing to the local economy. They just put cash into international conglomerates who build these places, obscuring the beach for everyone else, use loads of water and electricity, clog up the sewerage system and pay no infrastructure tax to help repair the damage they do to this island.

Yes I have done that, Googled it, and it does not say anything about that this is a holiday destination for young noisy people? And we retire exactly, where we want, just remember that. Your advice for that, we don't need.

Here is the island marketed as the party-island for young people on Google!

http://samui.sawadee.com/

http://www.kohsamui.com/

http://www.pavilionsamui.com/

Edited January 25, 2010 by bellste

[bellste]

It sounds like Samui needs some zoning laws. The Island (to me at least) seems large enough and attractive enough that it ought to be able to accommodate both fuddy-duddy's who don't want to listen to machine generated music until 7 AM and those that do.

It does have a zoning law for entertainment businesses. See attached Map.

They also have licences issued for establishments outside the zone, with special conditions.I have a list of those & you will be very surprised who is & who isn't approved.

i could not open the attachment but i do remember when the entertainment zones were put in place, and soi green mango along with soi reg were not part of it but the residential area on the lake road was in the middle of this brain fart. I had to ask who got paid on that one and why but then the black moon parties started and it became clear:( TIT

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[screamingeagle]

True it is a holiday island

But there are a lot of people who come here on holiday with their families who do not want this imposition. Also, there are many people here who wanted to enjoy (early) retirement or have made their base here, they have every right to complain.

I thought that Samui was trying move upmarket and encourage investment and "high end" holidaymakers.

Catering for a whole load of nocturnal revellers in the interest of short term greed is just not good for long term business. Already Chaweng is being likened to Pattaya and Patong, I suppose Lamai is next on the list.

Oh, come on.... It always has been a young peoples holiday destination. Why come to an island with your family and then complain you don't like it. Google samui. Or do some other research. You want quiet, go to Kho Tao, Koh Chang or the Amazon rain forest.. Really. That is such a lame excuse. It's like going to Las Vegas and complaining about all the casinos. Same with retirees. Why retire to an island with a vibrant night life. Doh!!! Retire to Hua Hin, for goodness sake. And who, apart from (maybe) you is comparing Chaweng with Pattaya and Patong? Have you been to those two places recently??? And god forbid we have any more "high end" holidaymakers who never leave their 5 star cocoon and add nothing to the local economy. They just put cash into international conglomerates who build these places, obscuring the beach for everyone else, use loads of water and electricity, clog up the sewerage system and pay no infrastructure tax to help repair the damage they do to this island.

Yes I have done that, Googled it, and it does not say anything about that this is a holiday destination for young noisy people? And we retire exactly, where we want, just remember that. Your advice for that, we don't need.

Here is the island marketed as the party-island for young people on Google!

http://samui.sawadee.com/

http://www.kohsamui.com/

http://www.pavilionsamui.com/

I googled it and there were thousands of sites for young people who want to have a good time on Samui. This being one:

http://www.on-samui.com/nightlife/index.html

Quote from the site "

Samui's got it for you 'till the wee hours of the morning. "

Of course you can retire where ever you want. Just don't compain about the place when you do!

[PoorSucker]

Of course you can retire where ever you want. Just don't compain about the place when you do!

When you retire it's your obligation to complain about everything and everyone.

[bellste]

Of course you can retire where ever you want. Just don't compain about the place when you do!

When you retire it's your obligation to complain about everything and everyone.

I haven't complained about any thing. Let the crap stay where they are. I stay tousands of km away.

I would never buy a cup of coffee in such a place.

[richieudon]

Yep, the Freaky freaky party 11pm to 7am.

Full moon parties have come to Lamai.

Indeed what a racket.

go live up north in isaan, problem solved

i dont think so.. up north is just as bad, but it is THAI nighclubs that are making the racket.. trust me, they like thier music volumes louder than us and its EVERY night!

it isnt just samui that suffers noise pollution.. its everywhere in Thailand

I agree, 2 hours after the kareoke stops it's time for the chickens and then the village loud speakers telling you how much you can sell your dog for. TIT baby...T.I.T!!!

[concerned]

Let's face it, this thread is now turning into one where people seem to be venting their ire about the fact that some people have the money to waste on 20,000 baht a night rooms etc. Whereas the fact is that loud sleep-robbing noise played all through the night offends huge amounts of people. It does not distinguish between rich or poor, Thai or farang, young or old. The poor Thai worker in their camps that have to work the next day, or children that have to get up for school are as equally affected as people trying to do business.

The rules are there regarding zoning and time restrictions, and these are supposed to be for the good of all, rich or poor, young or old and not just the people making money, out of making noise. The trouble is no authority in Samui is enforcing them because they are probably paid off by or related to the people making money out of it.

I think the only way forward may be complaints to central authorities in Bkk to see whether they can ask embarrassing questions of authorities down here as to why they are not doing their job properly.

[screamingeagle]

Of course you can retire where ever you want. Just don't compain about the place when you do!

When you retire it's your obligation to complain about everything and everyone.

Grumpy old men! You have to have seen the TV seies!!!!

[Gatorade]

Let's face it, this thread is now turning into one where people seem to be venting their ire about the fact that some people have the money to waste on 20,000 baht a night rooms etc. Whereas the fact is that loud sleep-robbing noise played all through the night offends huge amounts of people. It does not distinguish between rich or poor, Thai or farang, young or old. The poor Thai worker in their camps that have to work the next day, or children that have to get up for school are as equally affected as people trying to do business.

The rules are there regarding zoning and time restrictions, and these are supposed to be for the good of all, rich or poor, young or old and not just the people making money, out of making noise. The trouble is no authority in Samui is enforcing them because they are probably paid off by or related to the people making money out of it.

I think the only way forward may be complaints to central authorities in Bkk to see whether they can ask embarrassing questions of authorities down here as to why they are not doing their job properly.

Agree 100% with your post; very succinctly put.

The supporters of this all-night noise reflects a typical selfish "who gives a sh.." attitude for other peoples rights

[screamingeagle]

Let's face it, this thread is now turning into one where people seem to be venting their ire about the fact that some people have the money to waste on 20,000 baht a night rooms etc. Whereas the fact is that loud sleep-robbing noise played all through the night offends huge amounts of people. It does not distinguish between rich or poor, Thai or farang, young or old. The poor Thai worker in their camps that have to work the next day, or children that have to get up for school are as equally affected as people trying to do business.

The rules are there regarding zoning and time restrictions, and these are supposed to be for the good of all, rich or poor, young or old and not just the people making money, out of making noise. The trouble is no authority in Samui is enforcing them because they are probably paid off by or related to the people making money out of it.

I think the only way forward may be complaints to central authorities in Bkk to see whether they can ask embarrassing questions of authorities down here as to why they are not doing their job properly.

How do you know "Huge amounts of people" are offended? Do you think that if the local Thais Elite were offended, they wouldn't have done something about it by now. Thai on Thai. Easily sorted. bang, bang.... No. Poor Thais like going to Kareoake and all night markets. It's their country, for heavan's sake. They sleep midday to recharge their batteries.

The only people complaining about all this Thai lifestyle is people like you who want to make this island a dormatory wasteland where you can hear a pin drop at a 3 kilometre range. A bit like Worthing On Sea. Do you really think those in power in BKK care a fig about your concerns and " a good 8 hours sleep"?

[concerned]

Let's face it, this thread is now turning into one where people seem to be venting their ire about the fact that some people have the money to waste on 20,000 baht a night rooms etc. Whereas the fact is that loud sleep-robbing noise played all through the night offends huge amounts of people. It does not distinguish between rich or poor, Thai or farang, young or old. The poor Thai worker in their camps that have to work the next day, or children that have to get up for school are as equally affected as people trying to do business.

The rules are there regarding zoning and time restrictions, and these are supposed to be for the good of all, rich or poor, young or old and not just the people making money, out of making noise. The trouble is no authority in Samui is enforcing them because they are probably paid off by or related to the people making money out of it.

I think the only way forward may be complaints to central authorities in Bkk to see whether they can ask embarrassing questions of authorities down here as to why they are not doing their job properly.

How do you know "Huge amounts of people" are offended? Do you think that if the local Thais Elite were offended, they wouldn't have done something about it by now. Thai on Thai. Easily sorted. bang, bang.... No. Poor Thais like going to Kareoake and all night markets. It's their country, for heavan's sake. They sleep midday to recharge their batteries.

The only people complaining about all this Thai lifestyle is people like you who want to make this island a dormatory wasteland where you can hear a pin drop at a 3 kilometre range. A bit like Worthing On Sea. Do you really think those in power in BKK care a fig about your concerns and " a good 8 hours sleep"?

wot eva !

[Lite Beer]

Abusive post and the replies to it Deleted.

Not by Rooo, By Me.

[Obiwan]

OK Screaming eagle: enough!, if you like so much noise tell me where you live, we'll park a truck with blaring speakers in front of your bedroom, Then after a few days come back to this forum and tell us how you feel..

Edited January 25, 2010 by Obiwan

[LaoPo]

How do you know "Huge amounts of people" are offended? Do you think that if the local Thais Elite were offended, they wouldn't have done something about it by now. Thai on Thai. Easily sorted. bang, bang.... No. Poor Thais like going to Kareoake and all night markets. It's their country, for heavan's sake. They sleep midday to recharge their batteries.

The only people complaining about all this Thai lifestyle is people like you who want to make this island a dormatory wasteland where you can hear a pin drop at a 3 kilometre range. A bit like Worthing On Sea. Do you really think those in power in BKK care a fig about your concerns and " a good 8 hours sleep"?

Cool down Screaming Eagle...

This is not your island or anybody's island but everyone is entitled to a good nights' sleep as everyone is also entitled to go through the roof and party all night long.

The MAJOR problem is that the ones who built and created those party venues, did so in totally imperfect surroundings for such a clubs/bars/discotheques, meaning: (almost) open air, in the neighbourhood of places where people live and sleep, whether private houses or hotels/resorts.

THAT is the problem and your argument that Samui was always a young people's paradise doesn't hold as if young people are entitled to exclusivity being on Samui, or otherwise (if you're too old in your eyes) bugger off and go elsewhere.

Well, let me tell you that a few here on the forum were probably on Samui long before you set foot here for the first time, including myself since 20 years (and more than 30 years coming to Thailand) and is was NOT an exclusively youg people's paradise; paradise yes (but long gone) but exclusively young...NO!

Apart from the fact that a lot of people spent their hard worked-for earnings to build a dream house and thus "fed" the economy substantially, it's a problem that the authorities do/did not (yet) step in and forbid these venues or tell them to build soundproof clubs where people can go through the roof 24/7, WITHOUT disturbing people who are not clubbing.

The point is that those people (you're defending) lack the proper funds to build such soundproof clubs; poor buggers as they are, and thus tell the rest to p_ss off...yeah right.

If you have such a big mouth and want to play like a big boy...good! but than face the consequences and realize that you're not alone on this world.

Maybe you're sleeping deep into the afternoon but there are still people (read: the majority) who are NOT clubbing.

And, if you're sleeping deep into the afternoon, how would you react to a big truck making horrible noise outside your bedroom window during the 8 hours you're trying to sleep ?

LaoPo

[Oak]

How do you know "Huge amounts of people" are offended? Do you think that if the local Thais Elite were offended, they wouldn't have done something about it by now. Thai on Thai. Easily sorted. bang, bang.... No. Poor Thais like going to Kareoake and all night markets. It's their country, for heavan's sake. They sleep midday to recharge their batteries.

The only people complaining about all this Thai lifestyle is people like you who want to make this island a dormatory wasteland where you can hear a pin drop at a 3 kilometre range. A bit like Worthing On Sea. Do you really think those in power in BKK care a fig about your concerns and " a good 8 hours sleep"?

You mentioned somewhere, you own 2 bars in Chaweng? You live in Chaweng? Your choice of life style, your tolerance of your chosen surroundings.

Now from reading several of your posts, you seem to target anyone that does not condone your life style, trying to convince all that this is the only life style to be had here, so if we don't like it get on our collective bikes & get out of here.

Well guess what,you are absolutely wrong my friend.

Now let's look at your Thai elite versus Thai solution. Bang bang you say? Well maybe with some of the thugs that try & act as elite,the old Samui solution, that is even adapted by some foreigners living here.

No one complains about the Thai way of life, if you did , you would be a fool to even set foot in the country.The main beef with a lot of people, young & old ( the ones you like to rubbish )is the need for separation.You have a dedicated zone in Chaweng,several licences are even issued out of the zone,to help businesses.The ones people are complaining about , is the springing up of unlicensed, illegal clubs in residential areas. Now as one poster mentioned, if I bought land next to the airport, then 2-3 years down the track started complaining,well I would deserve every criticism & kick up the behind.

But why would you call us fools or trying to turn the island into a dormitory?Because we simply tell you that we have built our homes in a quiet area, zoned residential? That is the life style we opt to have, maybe trying to get a reasonable night sleep , after allowing for the Thai life style, fairs karaoke etc.......we never complained about this, it would be idiotic,came here with eyes wide open.

Now most of these people causing all these problems, are not Thai now are they? Perhaps the front person of the establishment is,but that's where it stops.So you are kidding yourself if you are telling me it's their country, that is simply a cop out.

If I was you, I would be kicking up a stink,they are after all taking business away, from legitimate establishments like your own & no pun intended there.

Other posters mentioned who frequents these places, didn't they? What did they say? Not many people, prostitutes & drug sellers. Wow, that really makes me want to come here, that would surely attract the spenders you need.

Some of the other illegal places,in residential areas are mostly frequented by bar owners after closing shop, if that's the case, go & do it in your own backyard.

As for you saying Bangkok don't give a ........ well wrong again.How many times have you seen the unexpected happen?So don't kid yourself.Some people are just digging their holes deeper & deeper.

Have a nice day & don't loose too much sleep over it, it will sort itself out.

[Samuian]

Let's face it, this thread is now turning into one where people seem to be venting their ire about the fact that some people have the money to waste on 20,000 baht a night rooms etc. Whereas the fact is that loud sleep-robbing noise played all through the night offends huge amounts of people[/size]. It does not distinguish between rich or poor, Thai or farang, young or old. The poor Thai worker in their camps that have to work the next day, or children that have to get up for school are as equally affected as people trying to do business.

The rules are there regarding zoning and time restrictions, and these are supposed to be for the good of all, rich or poor, young or old and not just the people making money, out of making noise. The trouble is no authority in Samui is enforcing them because they are probably paid off by or related to the people making money out of it.

I think the only way forward may be complaints to central authorities in Bkk to see whether they can ask embarrassing questions of authorities down here as to why they are not doing their job properly.

The OP Starts already with is whinging about "the party"! It isn't turning into a thread where poeple seem to "vent their ire...." it has been opened as such!

Well, you write it "waste 20.000 Baht" a night on a hotel room...

there are plenty of LOCALS on this island serving these "wasteful people" who have to do this for less then a third of this amount for a whole month!

The trouble is hat some "high strung" people think they can buy the world with their money and deprive others of their rights to have fun without "wasting 20.000 a night for a hotel room!" -

Sila Evasion, Four Seasons, Le Meridian and many more are places far enough off limits from these possible venues that people "wasting 20.000 a night" won't feel "their freedom" of wasting money, for their perceived "comfort" is interfered with!

- get real!

Please and honor the rights of people as you expect them to honor the "rights" of people "wasting 20.00 a night"!

...or do in your perception only people with the spending power of "wasting 20.00 a night", have"rights"...?

And your statement "...offends huge amounts of people..." can you back this with some figures, facts?

On these parties, have never ever met one who seemed "offended"..![/size]

Edited January 26, 2010 by Rooo
30) Do not modify someone else's post in your quoted reply, either with font or color changes, added emoticons, or altered wording. Rooo.

[concerned]

Let's face it, this thread is now turning into one where people seem to be venting their ire about the fact that some people have the money to waste on 20,000 baht a night rooms etc. Whereas the fact is that loud sleep-robbing noise played all through the night offends huge amounts of people[/size]. It does not distinguish between rich or poor, Thai or farang, young or old. The poor Thai worker in their camps that have to work the next day, or children that have to get up for school are as equally affected as people trying to do business.

The rules are there regarding zoning and time restrictions, and these are supposed to be for the good of all, rich or poor, young or old and not just the people making money, out of making noise. The trouble is no authority in Samui is enforcing them because they are probably paid off by or related to the people making money out of it.

I think the only way forward may be complaints to central authorities in Bkk to see whether they can ask embarrassing questions of authorities down here as to why they are not doing their job properly.

The OP Starts already with is whinging about "the party"! It isn't turning into a thread where poeple seem to "vent their ire...." it has been opened as such!

Well, you write it "waste 20.000 Baht" a night on a hotel room...

there are plenty of LOCALS on this island serving these "wasteful people" who have to do this for less then a third of this amount for a whole month!

The trouble is hat some "high strung" people think they can buy the world with their money and deprive others of their rights to have fun without "wasting 20.000 a night for a hotel room!" -

Sila Evasion, Four Seasons, Le Meridian and many more are places far enough off limits from these possible venues that people "wasting 20.000 a night" won't feel "their freedom" of wasting money, for their perceived "comfort" is interfered with!

- get real!

Please and honor the rights of people as you expect them to honor the "rights" of people "wasting 20.00 a night"!

...or do in your perception only people with the spending power of "wasting 20.00 a night", have"rights"...?

And your statement "...offends huge amounts of people..." can you back this with some figures, facts?

On these parties, have never ever met one who seemed "offended"..![/size]

Try understanding a post instead of just reading it! Then you might be qualified to comment on it.