March 12: 'Most Worrying Day' For Thailand

[WinnieTheKhwai]

Can't compare that.. If there is a coup, they shouldn't expect too many problems from Abhisit.

[mrtoad]

This is in no way a "crock" -- it is a very true statement of the desire of most of the rural poor ( the reds if you like the label).

It is information, opinion and statement of intent -- not "propaganda".

There is nothing even close to "incitement to riot", quite the opposite, in fact -- your statement is closer to incitement to riot, than is this very clear staement of position.

More incitement is in the Thai Visa headline " Pro Thaksin Rally " -- this is NOT a pro Thaksin rally, but a peaceful demonstation, by those who have been deprived and disadvantaged for far too long. K. Thaksin is involved only from the point of view that he gave all of these people hope -- hope for a decent future !

Get out sometime and see for yourself -- get out of your comfort zone -- go where farang do not go -- where education, health care, standard of living and self esteem are all pathetically bad -- is it propaganda to want a decent future -- at least for their children !

One thing the Reds are good at doing is reincarnation.

[mrtoad]

that pose and that fist sure resemble a certain man with a funny moustache would try to captivate the public.....

Like this one?

[MiG16]

alright everyone

I think we have all been asked on various other news/Thaksin/political threads

strongly as you feel for or against Thaksin, the red the yellow, Im going to ask everyone nicely one more time

Lets leave the very dramatic comparison out of the discussion. Hitler and the Nazi regime is a very sensitive and controversial topic, and no matter how you feel about Thaksin, I personally dont think bringing Nazi sentiments and the catastrophe that was WWII is going to do anyone any good.

any further such posts will be deleted and warnings issued.

thanks for your cooperation.

[termad]

The red goal is not to " overthrow the current government ", but to immediately have a free and honest election -- unlike the last election which was extremely tainted by the actions of the Junta... and then adjusted by the courts to suit their needs.

Nonsense. Both UDD and PT have both expressed their desire to overthrow the government.

“Our aim is to bring down the administration,” said Sean Boonpracong, a spokesman for the Redhshirt United Front for Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD).

Red Shirts Ready For Million Man March

"The rally's purpose is to bring down the coalition government, while the UDD group expects at least one million UDD supporters tojoin the rally, said Jatuporn.

The UDD group aims to overthrow the Democrat-led coalition government by the end of 2009, the UDD core leader said. "

Thailand's UDD To Hold Anti-Government Rally

Can you name one Democracy where the aim of the opposition is not to bring down the Government?

This is about the red shirts wanting to overthrow the current Thai government, not a discussion about democracy elsewhere, in case you hadn't noticed.

You can dodge the question if you like but the fact remains that the opposition has a perfect and democractic right to bring down (overthrow in your words) the Abhisit government especially so considering the means used to install him as Prime Minister.

[frodo]

Nonsense. Both UDD and PT have both expressed their desire to overthrow the government.

“Our aim is to bring down the administration,” said Sean Boonpracong, a spokesman for the Redhshirt United Front for Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD).

Red Shirts Ready For Million Man March

"The rally's purpose is to bring down the coalition government, while the UDD group expects at least one million UDD supporters tojoin the rally, said Jatuporn.

The UDD group aims to overthrow the Democrat-led coalition government by the end of 2009, the UDD core leader said. "

Thailand's UDD To Hold Anti-Government Rally

You can dodge the question if you like but the fact remains that the opposition has a perfect and democractic right to bring down (overthrow in your words) the Abhisit government especially so considering the means used to install him as Prime Minister.

Not my words...they are Jatuporn's words, and elected MP, and part of the government. For an elected government official to incite and attempt to "overthrow", as Jatuporn puts it, is treason. When they fail, I can only hope he and others involved will be tried as such.

The means used, as in elected? Nothing wrong with that at all.

"The articulate, Oxford-educated Abhisit Vejjajiva, who heads the Democrat Party, gathered 235 votes against 198 by former national police chief Pracha Promnok, a loyalist of exiled former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra."

http://www.irrawaddy.org/article.php?art_id=14791

[animatic]

The red goal is not to " overthrow the current government ", but to immediately have a free and honest election --

unlike the last election which was extremely tainted by the actions of the Junta... and then adjusted by the courts to suit their needs.

Can you name one Democracy where the aim of the opposition is not to bring down the Government?

This is about the red shirts wanting to overthrow the current Thai government, not a discussion about democracy elsewhere, in case you hadn't noticed.

You can dodge the question if you like but the fact remains that the opposition has a perfect and democractic right to bring down (overthrow in your words) the Abhisit government especially so considering the means used to install him as Prime Minister.

How about most of them,

where it is not to bring them down via street violence,

but just replacement in the legislature or cabinet via standard methods.

Sadly for them PTP has no chance at that and have a street branch to cause trouble,

and that is not like MOST countries out there...

you wanted one named UK.

The LAST election was won by the PPP, but also TAINTED by the PPP's actions...

to the point of their being removed because the PPP leadership was caught cheating.

Once their leadership was null, their MP's split between many parties.

Hence needing to resort to street thug tactics in the name of democracy,

but really in wanting control.

[termad]

[quote How about most of them, where it is not to bring them down via street violence, but just replacement in the legislature or cabinet via standard methods.

Sadly for them PTP has no chance at that and have a street branch to cause trouble,and that is not like MOST countries out there... you wanted one named UK.

The LAST election was won by the PPP, but also TAINTED by the PPP's actions...to the point of their being removed because the PPP leadership was caught cheating. Once their leadership was null, their MP's split between many parties.Hence needing to resort to street thug tactics in the name of democracy,

but really in wanting control.

Have the Redshirt leaders said that they are going to bring down the Abhisit regime by street violence or have they said that they are going to stage a massive peaceful demonstration?

Has the Prime Minister said that "volunteers" from the Ministry of the interior will be deployed at the demonstration? I think that Abisit and the Military have something planned for this weekend's demonstration which is most likely the reason for his hastily planned trip to Australia thus ensuring that he won't be blamed as he won't be here.

Are you saying that an ongoing cover-up in respect of the illegal transfer of funds to the Democrat Party is not happening? Well watch the censure debate and be educated.

Do you really believe that Abhisit could win an election? You must be living in cloud cukoo land. If he thought that there was the slightest chance of winning an election and legitimising his Prime Ministership he'd jump at it.

The MPs didn't split, forty of them (and the millions of votes entrusted to them by their electorate) were bought by the Military and the Elite in order to put Abhisit in the Prime Minister's chair. Abhisit didn't actually pay the money but he used the millions of stolen votes, without any qualms, to make himself Prime Minister. And for you to deny that is plain silly.

Edited March 7, 2010 by termad

[anotherpeter]

Have the Redshirt leaders said that they are going to bring down the Abhisit regime by street violence or have they said that they are going to stage a massive peaceful demonstration?

They've actually said both.

Has the Prime Minister said that "volunteers" from the Ministry of the interior will be deployed at the demonstration? I think that Abisit and the Military have something planned for this weekend's demonstration which is most likely the reason for his hastily planned trip to Australia thus ensuring that he won't be blamed as he won't be here.

The visit to Australia and New Zealand has been planned since late last year after Abhisit and Rudd met at the ASEAN summit.

Do you really believe that Abhisit could win an election? You must be living in cloud cukoo land. If he thought that there was the slightest chance of winning an election and legitimising his Prime Ministership he'd jump at it.

Once the Thaksin supporters allow the Democrats candidates can actually campaign in all areas, they probably have a good chance. They didn't lose the 2007 election by too much.

The MPs didn't split, forty of them (and the millions of votes entrusted to them by their electorate) were bought by the Military and the Elite in order to put Abhisit in the Prime Minister's chair. Abhisit didn't actually pay the money but he used the millions of stolen votes, without any qualms, to make himself Prime Minister. And for you to deny that is plain silly.

Abhisit didn't steal any votes. He was a legitimately elected MP whose party formed a coalition with other political parties after the PPP executives were caught vote buying and disbanded.

[termad]

[Abhisit didn't steal any votes. He was a legitimately elected MP whose party formed a coalition with other political parties after the PPP executives were caught vote buying and disbanded.

Absolute claptrap.

Edited March 7, 2010 by termad

[animatic]

Termad your boy Thaksin was left at the alter by Newin. It was toss up take Thaksin's money or someone elses.

He saw the writting on the wall and judged Abhisit and Suthep better partners than Chalerm.

Your side couldn't hold it's coalition after the Thaksin Potjamin divorce, that's what changed the ball game.

Edited March 7, 2010 by animatic

[anotherpeter]

Abhisit didn't steal any votes. He was a legitimately elected MP whose party formed a coalition with other political parties after the PPP executives were caught vote buying and disbanded.

Absolute claptrap.

OK. Please enlighten me. What did I say that was incorrect?

[animatic]

Abhisit didn't steal any votes. He was a legitimately elected MP whose party formed a coalition with other political parties after the PPP executives were caught vote buying and disbanded.

Absolute claptrap.

OK. Please enlighten me. What did I say that was incorrect?

Nothing.

[termad]

Abhisit didn't steal any votes. He was a legitimately elected MP whose party formed a coalition with other political parties after the PPP executives were caught vote buying and disbanded.

Absolute claptrap.

OK. Please enlighten me. What did I say that was incorrect?

Nothing.

He didn't form a coalition he bought forty MPs and I say he bought forty MPs because even if he didn't pay the money himself he used the millions of stolen votes to install himself as Prime Minister. And before anybody says he could win an election remember he won't have those forty votes because those forty MPs are too scared to even visit their constituencies never mind campaign so they'll be replaced by Phue Thai Party MPs.

Newin Chitbob's father, who Newin had installed as Speaker, has seen the writing on the wall as he's now saying that it is possible that Newin will rejoin Taksin. However, I think that he's dreaming as Newin and the rich forty MPs will never be forgiven

[anotherpeter]

He didn't form a coalition he bought forty MPs and I say he bought forty MPs because even if he didn't pay the money himself he used the millions of stolen votes to install himself as Prime Minister.

I thought he formed a coalition with the parties that said before the election that they wouldn't form a coalition with the PPP. Maybe that was a different election.

I don't understand what you mean by stolen votes? What votes did he steal?

And before anybody says he could win an election remember he won't have those forty votes because those forty MPs are too scared to even visit their constituencies never mind campaign so they'll be replaced by Phue Thai Party MPs.

Yes. That's a good way to win an election. Make sure no one else can campaign.

Edited March 7, 2010 by anotherpeter

[frodo]

He didn't form a coalition he bought forty MPs and I say he bought forty MPs because even if he didn't pay the money himself he used the millions of stolen votes to install himself as Prime Minister. And before anybody says he could win an election remember he won't have those forty votes because those forty MPs are too scared to even visit their constituencies never mind campaign so they'll be replaced by Phue Thai Party MPs.

Newin Chitbob's father, who Newin had installed as Speaker, has seen the writing on the wall as he's now saying that it is possible that Newin will rejoin Taksin. However, I think that he's dreaming as Newin and the rich forty MPs will never be forgiven

Really, besides your word that he bought 40 MP's, what other proof do you have. Maybe you have some inside information that nobody else has seen or heard of?

[animatic]

Chai Chidchob was Speaker before Newin had a chance to INSTALL him.

Newin sold to a better team vs selling to Thaksins team simple as that.

A sale is a sale,

and since many of these guys DID vow not to joining PPP to get elected,

they have actually returned CLOSER to their election promises.

The MP's voters got a better deal from their votes because their MP's stayed in the government

And certainly these guys deliver services back home and visit there.

Spurious claptrap reply, terminally mad.

[WinnieTheKhwai]

He didn't form a coalition he bought forty MPs and I say he bought forty MPs because even if he didn't pay the money himself he used the millions of stolen votes to install himself as Prime Minister. And before anybody says he could win an election remember he won't have those forty votes because those forty MPs are too scared to even visit their constituencies never mind campaign so they'll be replaced by Phue Thai Party MPs.

Newin Chitbob's father, who Newin had installed as Speaker, has seen the writing on the wall as he's now saying that it is possible that Newin will rejoin Taksin. However, I think that he's dreaming as Newin and the rich forty MPs will never be forgiven

Ok, that's all fair enough, but surely Abhsisit/the Democrats didn't do anything that Thaksin didn't do when constructing the TRT coalition initially? I would agree that Newin's guys were bought (or enticed with profitable cabinet positions, or both), but that's pretty much business as usual in Thai politics?