Tests Prove HIV And Hepatitis Tainted Blood Used In Red Shirt Protests

[scania]

:D :D zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[TAWP]

HIV is not a pure test at all. It could be the pigs blood that tested positive.

Biology fail...pigs cannot contract HIV.

[mccw]

Hardly news - if you take blood from a large random number of people then this result is inevitable. Good scaremongering tactics from the government but that is about it - any intelligent person knows that blood carries risk

Do you think they had 60,000 fresh needles handy, or vast amounts of qualitfied nurses with sterriliastion equipment?

[animatic]

Hardly news - if you take blood from a large random number of people then this result is inevitable. Good scaremongering tactics from the government but that is about it - any intelligent person knows that blood carries risk

Two aspects here

1) this is confirmed by testing, not just assumed, before anounncment.

2 ) "any intelligent person"...

must of course be in a position to have heard this, medical concept,

we can not assume the average person has heard this.

And so announcing this is better than keeping silent once a medical report is returned.

Edited April 3, 2010 by animatic

[moresomekl]

Strangely the thai SET (stockmarket ) has soared during the protetsts. This suggests the oposite to destroying the economy

SET was up but saw it down too recently . Overall up , agree , probably

to a lesser extent then if no protests

The troubles are not new and were factored in , and more importantly

SE all over SE Asia have climbed recently tracking the DJ .

Edited April 3, 2010 by moresomekl

[Maestro]

smells like tulsathit twit.

did you try to ask over there?

I did (twitter.com/Maestro_ch/status/11446122781). No reply, indicating that the Nation doesn't have a video on it.

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Maestro

[mommysboy]

HIV is not a pure test at all. It could be the pigs blood that tested positive.

Biology fail...pigs cannot contract HIV.

The pigs blood itself could produce a false positive!!!

And actually, assuming a very big majority were negative anyway you wouldn't really expect a positive test as the positive bllod would be greatly diluted.

The HIV test actually tests for antibodies thought to be associated with the alleged HIV virus. It is not a pure test anyway and the samle has to be mixed in various ways. Any contaminaton from an outside source would be totally unacceptable.

But actually it does expose much of the nonsense surrounding this syndrome.

[TAWP]

HIV is not a pure test at all. It could be the pigs blood that tested positive.

Biology fail...pigs cannot contract HIV.

The pigs blood itself could produce a false positive!!!

And actually, assuming a very big majority were negative anyway you wouldn't really expect a positive test as the positive bllod would be greatly diluted.

The HIV test actually tests for antibodies thought to be associated with the alleged HIV virus. It is not a pure test anyway and the samle has to be mixed in various ways. Any contaminaton from an outside source would be totally unacceptable.

But actually it does expose much of the nonsense surrounding this syndrome.

Please state your MD credentials to back up this amazing statement.

[mommysboy]

HIV is not a pure test at all. It could be the pigs blood that tested positive.

Biology fail...pigs cannot contract HIV.

The pigs blood itself could produce a false positive!!!

And actually, assuming a very big majority were negative anyway you wouldn't really expect a positive test as the positive bllod would be greatly diluted.

The HIV test actually tests for antibodies thought to be associated with the alleged HIV virus. It is not a pure test anyway and the samle has to be mixed in various ways. Any contaminaton from an outside source would be totally unacceptable.

But actually it does expose much of the nonsense surrounding this syndrome.

Please state your MD credentials to back up this amazing statement.

An MD wouldn't help, perhaps someone from Star Trek!

Ask one of the mods! this is a ludicrous assertion, but it does illustrate just how anything dressed up as an HIV report can be stated without reproach.

It's plain ridiculous.

[TAWP]

Posting known lies is against the forum rules.

[CLOD]

I don't know what tests were done on the blood and what the results were.

However , if the results are as stated, what are the government going to do about it?

[animatic]

I don't know what tests were done on the blood and what the results were.

However , if the results are as stated, what are the government going to do about it?

Just what they stated in the OP,

which you don't seem to have bothered reading.

[CLOD]

I don't know what tests were done on the blood and what the results were.

However , if the results are as stated, what are the government going to do about it?

Just what they stated in the OP,

which you don't seem to have bothered reading.

A Strawman comment as usual.

If those levels of infection are for real then a concerned government would initiate screening, consultative, and educational programmes to help the people, not just tell the elite how to avoid contact.

Keep your eye on the next red (thats rural Electoral Democracy Supporter) shirt that comes into your vicinity.

[tominbkk]

That would be hilarious if they all gave each other HIV....

[animatic]

I don't know what tests were done on the blood and what the results were.

However , if the results are as stated, what are the government going to do about it?

Just what they stated in the OP,

which you don't seem to have bothered reading.

A Strawman comment as usual.

If those levels of infection are for real then a concerned government would initiate screening, consultative, and educational programmes to help the people, not just tell the elite how to avoid contact.

Keep your eye on the next red (thats rural Electoral Democracy Supporter) shirt that comes into your vicinity.

SO,

you are saying if the government offered screening this week,

then all those red shirts throwing blood that week

would line up and have their blood tested,

and names taken so results could be returned....

and happily do as the Bangkok government requested,

because they trust them so much right now?

ROTFLOL. Meshugana comment!

[CLOD]

I don't know what tests were done on the blood and what the results were.

However , if the results are as stated, what are the government going to do about it?

Just what they stated in the OP,

which you don't seem to have bothered reading.

A Strawman comment as usual.

If those levels of infection are for real then a concerned government would initiate screening, consultative, and educational programmes to help the people, not just tell the elite how to avoid contact.

Keep your eye on the next red (thats rural Electoral Democracy Supporter) shirt that comes into your vicinity.

SO,

you are saying if the government offered screening this week,

then all those red shirts throwing blood that week

would line up and have their blood tested,

and names taken so results could be returned....

and happily do as the Bangkok government requested,

because they trust them so much right now?

ROTFLOL. Meshugana comment!

I wouldn't have expressed reaction to such a concerning issue as immaturely as that.

But you are correct in one aspect, that the" Bangkok government" is the "Bangkok government".

[rainman]

That would be hilarious if they all gave each other HIV....

It would be hilarious if some people actually understood what was done with the blood. And it is hilarious that some still think it was splashed all over Bangkok and everyone got infected with HIV and Hepatitis, when in fact they probably picked it up at Nana or Soi Cowboy.

[animatic]

A Strawman comment as usual.

If those levels of infection are for real then a concerned government would initiate screening, consultative, and educational programmes to help the people, not just tell the elite how to avoid contact.

Keep your eye on the next red (thats rural Electoral Democracy Supporter) shirt that comes into your vicinity.

SO,

you are saying if the government offered screening this week,

then all those red shirts throwing blood that week

would line up and have their blood tested,

and names taken so results could be returned....

and happily do as the Bangkok government requested,

because they trust them so much right now?

ROTFLOL. Meshugana comment!

I wouldn't have expressed reaction to such a concerning issue as immaturely as that.

But you are correct in one aspect, that the" Bangkok government" is the "Bangkok government".

Nothing immature about it.

Especially compared to your flame and sidestep maneuver to avoid answering.

Same old CLOD always a bridesmaid never a useful wife.

[CLOD]

A Strawman comment as usual.

If those levels of infection are for real then a concerned government would initiate screening, consultative, and educational programmes to help the people, not just tell the elite how to avoid contact.

Keep your eye on the next red (thats rural Electoral Democracy Supporter) shirt that comes into your vicinity.

SO,

you are saying if the government offered screening this week,

then all those red shirts throwing blood that week

would line up and have their blood tested,

and names taken so results could be returned....

and happily do as the Bangkok government requested,

because they trust them so much right now?

ROTFLOL. Meshugana comment!

I wouldn't have expressed reaction to such a concerning issue as immaturely as that.

But you are correct in one aspect, that the" Bangkok government" is the "Bangkok government".

Nothing immature about it.

Especially compared to your flame and sidestep maneuver to avoid answering.

Same old CLOD always a bridesmaid never a useful wife.

Old and sidestep manouvres? , still full of your usual contradictions there then.

Anyway, taken as a compliment.

[LuckyFive8888]

just to share...

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PRO-THAKSIN RALLIES

Red-shirts blood high in HIV, Hepatitis viruses

By The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Lab tests at three different hospitals all show that the blood used in the red-shirt protest carried the HIV, hepatitis B and C viruses, Vajira Hospital's director Chaiwan Charoenchokthavee said yesterday.

Chaiwan added that the information had been kept confidential until a group of doctors, led by Dr Kusol Prawitpaiboon, publicly voiced concern about the possible spread of disease.

Kusol said the blood had been tested at Ramathibodi Hospital.

Chaiwan, however, said yesterday: "The blood was tested at Ramathibodi Hospital, Vajira Hospital and another hospital, the name of which will be withheld."

Last month, thousands of red-shirt demonstrators gave blood to the cause of forcing the government to dissolve the House, despite warnings from various health authorities. The blood collected was used to spatter Government House, the Democrat Party headquarters and Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva's house.

A 106-strong team from Vajira Hospital spent March 17 and 18 cleaning up after the blood protest in a bid to prevent the spread of disease. The blood collected from the protest sites was disposed of as infected waste in line with prescribed procedures, Chaiwan said.

He added that 100cc of blood found in a container outside Abhisit's house had been used as a sample for the tests.

"We tested the blood to determine the risk faced by our staff," Chaiwan said. "Actually, we kept the results secret when we sent the sample to the other two hospitals."

Chaiwan added that a stranger, wearing a medical gown, was spotted in front of Abhisit's home while his team was cleaning up the blood.

"I don't know who he was. He was certainly not from Vajira Hospital and didn't have an identity tag on. I don't know why he was there," Chaiwan said, adding that he did not know Kusol.

Chaiwan said the lab results were hardly a surprise, because there were bound to have been some HIV-positive people, as well as some infected by the Hepatitis B and C viruses, in the big crowd.

"The amount of the HIV virus found in the blood sample was not as high as the Hepatitis B and C viruses," he said.

However, Chaiwan chose to be evasive when asked about Kusol's suggestion the blood sample was not purely human blood.

"This information does not come from us," he said, adding that red-blood cells usually accounted for 40 per cent of human blood, though red-blood cells only accounted for 20 per cent of blood in the sample.

-- The Nation 2010-04-06

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[KayT]

What an irresponsible article, even if April 1.

First there is a claim attributed to Dr Kusol Prawitpaiboon that the blood was tainted and that the "diseases also can live outside the human body in normal condition for about six hours". No evidence was cited how the blood was collected or if anyone was exposed. Just a horrible cheap article that will spread fear.

This doctor has just made medical history with his claims on the longevity of the various viruses since HIV starts to degrade once it is deprived of oxygen and away from human ambient core temperature. The time is measured in minutes not hours.

6 hours only? Not for HCB, it can go for 10 days and the klongs of bangkok are swimming with it. HCV is good for 4-5 days and is concurrent with HIV because it is associated with IV drug users. (Nice insinuation) If this guy was serious he would have raised the issue of TB, but that would have necessitated pointing out that on any given day the trains and subway of Bangkok are filled with carriers and that might expose a secret no one wants to discuss openly.

I am not going to bash this fellow because I think his statements were taken out of context and distorted. I know he is no friend of the Thaksin camp, but I can't see him making statements that would incite panic. Not that it isn't possible he could be given to rhetoric if this is the same fellow that was one of the communist sympathizers that participated in the Oct. 6, 1976 student protests at Thammasat University back when he was in medical school. He hounded former PM Samak Sundaravej for the deaths of the students saying the student deaths were his doing. In health research a person with such views that would undertake such research is considered biased and any data provided by a biased researcher is deemed tainted. A neutral party should have overseen this exercise.

However, the same doctor admitted that tests found that the blood used in the symbolic blood-pouring protests included pig and cattle fluids. Ya think? It wasn't any big secret. The human blood gathered was small and for the cameras. Several people in TV picked up on the sham that the blood event was going to be when they wrote that they expected animal byproducts to be used. The redshirts did what all other theaterical producers do, they went out and got the props for the show.

Thankfully the record is set straight by Permanent Secretary for Public Health Paichit Varachit with his statement that the chance of contracting the virus was slim. And there is the comment from Dr Somsak Lolekha, president of the Medical Council of Thailand, who said it is not easy to be infected unless these persons have injuries and were soaked by the disease-concentrated blood.

For what it's worth, the typical visitor to a Thai tattoo parlour or some dentist offices is at greater risk of contracting hepatitis than were bystanders at the blood splatter party. But shhh, we can't mention that and the absence of health surveillance.

Hep C has been proven to still be active outside the body in dried blood after 7 years or more.Its a risk no matter.

[zirc]

That would be hilarious if they all gave each other HIV....

I wouldn't say hilarious, because it's a death sentence, but for some, like the idiot red thug Suporn seen here trapsing around in it as he splatters the HIV contaminated blood near the end of this video, it would be fitting.

However, it would be terrible for that to occur to the police and media who were also present during the blood throwing:

Edited April 6, 2010 by zirc

[TAWP]

That would be hilarious if they all gave each other HIV....

It would be hilarious if some people actually understood what was done with the blood. And it is hilarious that some still think it was splashed all over Bangkok and everyone got infected with HIV and Hepatitis, when in fact they probably picked it up at Nana or Soi Cowboy.

Takes one to know one, eh?