Thai Government Hangs By A Thread

[anotherpeter]

That doesn't mean anything. It's a news article posted by The Nation, might as well be something someone wrote at Fox News or the Disney Channel. Where's the actual statement that the red shirt leaders made? If you can't back it up with credible evidence, don't post it. Simple as that.

So, even though there is not enough evidence for you (I agree, just seeing it in the Nation doesn't make it evidence - but a previous poster put forward other support), you still try and avoid at least a simple statement along the lines of "If he said it ....".

Even if you don't believe it happened, you still don't denounce the statement.

[rainman]

Thaksin is not the problem

You want to tell the redshirts to shut up, stop getting involved in politics and go back to their ricefields........

Its not going to happen because this feudal system needs to change and will be changed.........the mood in Isaan is that it is now or never.

But think about how great this country can be if EVERYONE can reach their full potential and not just the chosen few..........

Though I realise then the Bangkok people may not find it so easy to get their slave labour anymore

Wow, there are people out there with the IQ bigger than a peanut. Well written.

[chadintheusa]

Police need to start detaining protesters, they are after all breaking the law. Until you remove the more radical from the streets they will only regroup.

[Oberkommando]

Now we are seeing the real consequences of the coup in 2006, almost four years later.

[bubba]

So was that statement, if it was indeed made, done before or after the army said it would bring in soldiers with the skytrain?

Skytrains' services suspended at all stations

By The Nation

BTS authority has suspended service of all skytrain stations after red shirts leaders called for the protesters to destroy all stations.

Earlier BTS suspended only four stations near the Rajaprasong rally sites; Chidlom, Ploenchit, Rajdamri and Siam. All entrances and exits were shut down.

Red shirts leaders told the cheering crowds that BTS is servants of Amataya, and urged the protesters to go and destroyed the stations.

Guards of red shirts protesters use black plastic bags to cover security cameras of skytrain stations near Rajprasong rally sites.

Thai TV reported that red shirts leaders told the protesters to gather together, saying the government will disperse them soon.

-- The Nation 2010-04-10

That doesn't mean anything. It's a news article posted by The Nation, might as well be something someone wrote at Fox News or the Disney Channel. Where's the actual statement that the red shirt leaders made? If you can't back it up with credible evidence, don't post it. Simple as that.

Thousands of people saw it. Jatuporn said it on stage. It was broadcast live on UDD TV. I personally saw and heard him make the statement as I was watching UDD TV, as did many others who tweeted it. The crowd cheered him on. BTS closed their stations very quickly after Jatuporn threatened violence against the Skytrain.

[jdinasia]

Today I just witnessed the worse national disgrace and misuse of the military since I watched the East Germans Army trampled their neighbors with similar shields as we just watched on TV.

Soldiers are supposed to exist to protect the Country and its citizens. Today we watched as politicians used these soldiers to trample their friends and families and children and monks and all to try to hold the poor and dis-enfranchized Thais hostage to their quest for continued power over them.

I won't bother to respond to anyone who would attempt to defend this disgrace.

The whole government is responsible for this disaster now. There can be no excuse for this disgrace brought on the country and these soldiers. If they had any integrity they would submit the resignations NOW.

I would like to offer a quote to the Thai Visa readership .......

The government must enforce the rule of law even if some law-breakers are killed or injured. It is the government's responsibiliy and duty to maintain law and order and to prosecute ALL law-breakers.

Would anyone care to guess who made this statement and when?

The red supporters change their stance from one hour to the next. Their heads must be spinning.

Yesterday it was all about how weak the government was for not clamping down and acting with authority, and today, now that they are clamping down and acting with authority, it's how ruthless and unfair they are being. When people get fanatical this is the result. Pointless trying to debate sensibly with them.

LOL ...

The answer is it was Khunjamespittman after the October 7th debacle in BKK --- he thought the use of force even if it included deaths was appropriate to maintain law and order.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?s=...t&p=2265470

[WAERTH]

"The protesters brought Buddhist monks to the front, to counter which the police regrouped by bringing female riot police to the front of their lines. The protesters retreated as Buddhist monks in the Theravada sect cannot have physical contact with females."

Someone was thinking on their feet. Neat.

these monks should be defrocked , politics are against the dharma rules

Is this a quote from the NEW LIGHT OF MYANMAR?

No it is a quote from the Dharma rules for Buddhist monks .......

W

[Insight]

Jatuporn - it is very easy to derail a BTS. If you kill protesters, all the BTS will derail.

about 2 hours ago via #Padtweet

Arisman - I need a team to hunt down police at Lumpini; and another to block the tracks of the BTS to stop movements.

about 2 hours ago via #Padtweet

Reply Retweet

Girl: Let us join in our prayer for Abhisit's helicopter to crash.

about 2 hours ago via #Padtweet

[chadintheusa]

Now we are seeing the real consequences of the coup in 2006, almost four years later.

Yeah, these lunatics would have been in charge if the military hadn't pushed them out.

[KireB]

Thaksin is not the problem

You want to tell the redshirts to shut up, stop getting involved in politics and go back to their ricefields........

Its not going to happen because this feudal system needs to change and will be changed.........the mood in Isaan is that it is now or never.

But think about how great this country can be if EVERYONE can reach their full potential and not just the chosen few..........

Though I realise then the Bangkok people may not find it so easy to get their slave labour anymore

Wow, there are people out there with the IQ bigger than a peanut. Well written.

There's also a couple among us with IQ's smaller than peanuts. They tend to be rther agressive and approve terrorist attacks on the skytrain!

[rainman]

That doesn't mean anything. It's a news article posted by The Nation, might as well be something someone wrote at Fox News or the Disney Channel. Where's the actual statement that the red shirt leaders made? If you can't back it up with credible evidence, don't post it. Simple as that.

So, even though there is not enough evidence for you (I agree, just seeing it in the Nation doesn't make it evidence - but a previous poster put forward other support), you still try and avoid at least a simple statement along the lines of "If he said it ....".

Even if you don't believe it happened, you still don't denounce the statement.

Dude, here it is:

I don't support derailing the skytrain, for whatever reason

Happy? I never said that I support violence. If Jatuporn or whoever said that, it's certainly wrong. But that doesn't mean that the entire concerns of the red shirt movement should be ignored. The government needs to start LISTENING to the poor rural Thais, not just ignore them and tell them to shut up and go back to their farms. These times have ended 100 or 200 years ago in Europe, and they're ending now in Thailand.

[Jerrytheyoung]

Thaksin is not the problem

You want to tell the redshirts to shut up, stop getting involved in politics and go back to their ricefields........

Its not going to happen because this feudal system needs to change and will be changed.........the mood in Isaan is that it is now or never.

But think about how great this country can be if EVERYONE can reach their full potential and not just the chosen few..........

Though I realise then the Bangkok people may not find it so easy to get their slave labour anymore

Wow, there are people out there with the IQ bigger than a peanut. Well written.

agree

[anotherpeter]

All it would take for this to stop is a single speech by Thaksin telling his lackeys to stop, that he really was guilty and received the justice he deserved. How about an apology from the demagogue for the misery he has caused, and submission to serving his jail time and other punishments?

But no, his selfishness and that of his followers will persist. An election would solve nothing. Whichever side loses will not accept it. Thaksin is the problem. Not the electoral process. All the bluster in the world by the Thaksin apologists will not change that fact.

All the red shirts have to do if they really want peace is to denounce their paymaster. But they would rather continue terrorizing the entire nation for their own selfish reasons.

Thaksin is not the problem

You want to tell the redshirts to shut up, stop getting involved in politics and go back to their ricefields........

Its not going to happen because this feudal system needs to change and will be changed.........the mood in Isaan is that it is now or never.

But think about how great this country can be if EVERYONE can reach their full potential and not just the chosen few..........

Though I realise then the Bangkok people may not find it so easy to get their slave labour anymore

Thaksin is the problem.

The red shirts should go home and GET INVOLVED in *politics*, not mob rule.

The people in Isaan should look at the corruption in their own back yards before they come to Bangkok to blame people here.

They should look at the corruption of their leaders, and after they have dealt with that, then they can come to Bangkok and complain about the corruption here.

[4223rhodes]

Police need to start detaining protesters, they are after all breaking the law. Until you remove the more radical from the streets they will only regroup.

You can't remove the most radical from the streets. Those would obviously include the FM and other Yellows who participated in the airport occupation. It's just not going to happen.

[gregb]

You can clear people off the streets, but the problem won't go away. And the problem isn't Thaksin. Thaksin is a part of the engine of the red shirt movement, nothing more.

Denounce the demagogue and all other issues can be resolved peacefully through dialogue.

Your statements are absurd. Thaksin is the equivalent of a weapon. You want negotiations with someone to fix perceived injustices. They tell you they will be happy to discuss them with you if you will simply put down your weapon.

Your response is honestly that "The gun is not the problem. The gun is simply part of the engine of my negotiating tactics"? You expect anyone to take you seriously after an absurd statement like that?

Don't be so naive. Denounce Thaksin and everything becomes possible. Keep wielding him like a weapon over the innocent people of Thailand, and don't be surprised that nobody trusts you or is interested in listening to your demands.

The warped view by the Thaksin apologists on this forum is simply amazing. Thaksin is the one and only problem. All the other issues are merely details. The red shirts need to understand this or they are in for a long and lonely life.

[rainman]

Jatuporn - it is very easy to derail a BTS. If you kill protesters, all the BTS will derail.

about 2 hours ago via #Padtweet

"Padtweet"? As in "PAD Tweet"?

[chadintheusa]

Thaksin is not the problem

You want to tell the redshirts to shut up, stop getting involved in politics and go back to their ricefields........

Its not going to happen because this feudal system needs to change and will be changed.........the mood in Isaan is that it is now or never.

But think about how great this country can be if EVERYONE can reach their full potential and not just the chosen few..........

Though I realise then the Bangkok people may not find it so easy to get their slave labour anymore

Wow, there are people out there with the IQ bigger than a peanut. Well written.

There's also a couple among us with IQ's smaller than peanuts. They tend to be rther agressive and approve terrorist attacks on the skytrain!

Every country is reliant on a large pool of slave labor or underpaid workers. You'll never have a country where everyone is rich. Would rich people do the back breaking labor involved in farming rice? No. But this country needs it to be done, so you need poor people who are willing to do it.

[moresomekl]

Ummm again in Parliamentary democracies governments can change without a new election. Small parties can realign and poof --- a new government. To suggest otherwise is simply a lie.

You used a plural, suggesting that changes of government without electoral approval are regular occurrences in democracies. Do you have any more examples of this than the one in Thailand in 2008?

Try Gordon Brown for one, Bib Netanyahu for another.

No new elections called when they took office.

Blair retired, Brown voted in by Mps.

Bibi's party came insecond, but the winner failed to get a coaltion with enough seats,

Netanyahu is PM of Israel with 2nd place minority party.

No newe election called... this could last till next election cycles, or fall and a new one come in.

This has happened in many countries...

A parliament is elected and and IF a party shows

enough leadership to quickly put together a new coalition

they form a government, if they fall and another can quickly do the same they can.

This can go on until either a vote of no confidence is passed calling for a new

parliament to be elected, of the ruling PM dissolves the parliament.

If neither of these options happen then an election is called.

Essentially if a coalition can claim enough MP's they can rule.

Didn't Brown just call for early elections?

Exactly LOL

No what Animatic and jdinasia mean is that dems can bribe MPs to switch side exactly like they did in 2006 and as a result assume power . Of course no public scrutiny , transparency let alone popular vote . The dems got away in 2006 why not do it again

[BKjohn]

Thaksin is not the problem

You want to tell the redshirts to shut up, stop getting involved in politics and go back to their ricefields........

Its not going to happen because this feudal system needs to change and will be changed.........the mood in Isaan is that it is now or never.

But think about how great this country can be if EVERYONE can reach their full potential and not just the chosen few..........

Though I realise then the Bangkok people may not find it so easy to get their slave labour anymore

Wow, there are people out there with the IQ bigger than a peanut. Well written.

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Maybe if those people in Isan would stop selling their votes to the highest bidder the last coup would not have happened - they are the ones that cause those problems- right now they are selling themselves to Mr. T once again

Cangratulation to Abhisit - and all - finally taking charge of the situation

[anotherpeter]

Dude, here it is:

I don't support derailing the skytrain, for whatever reason

Happy? I never said that I support violence. If Jatuporn or whoever said that, it's certainly wrong. But that doesn't mean that the entire concerns of the red shirt movement should be ignored. The government needs to start LISTENING to the poor rural Thais, not just ignore them and tell them to shut up and go back to their farms. These times have ended 100 or 200 years ago in Europe, and they're ending now in Thailand.

Happy. And I agree with you 100%.

We just differ with our opinions on the how to get there.

[kissdani]

M-16s out and shots now heard at Phan Fa - live video on Thai PBS.

Most of the footage is not live.

[animatic]

Because most of his chosen demographic is profoundly superstitious.

And the rest are not ?

You have much to learn.

Irrelevant comment and then a flame.

Right on schedule.

No need to be defensive.You made a foolish observation which was corrected.It's not a big deal.

So sad to be so far from right and call others comments foolish.

[Oberkommando]

Yeah, these lunatics would have been in charge if the military hadn't pushed them out.

Funny, I seem to remember Thailand doing relatively well up until the coup, the pre-coup yellow shirt demonstrations spurred by one man's personal vendetta aside.

It has been an unmitigated disaster since the coup in 2006. Lurching from one crisis to another.

Edited April 10, 2010 by Oberkommando

[Insight]

Jatuporn - it is very easy to derail a BTS. If you kill protesters, all the BTS will derail.

about 2 hours ago via #Padtweet

"Padtweet"? As in "PAD Tweet"?

Possibly. Please find your own translation from this point.

[rainman]

Thaksin is the problem.

The red shirts should go home and GET INVOLVED in *politics*, not mob rule.

The people in Isaan should look at the corruption in their own back yards before they come to Bangkok to blame people here.

They should look at the corruption of their leaders, and after they have dealt with that, then they can come to Bangkok and complain about the corruption here.

How about increasing minimum wages for the poor? In Europe we spend more per day than these people make per month. That will help reduce corruption. Poor people take money and bribes because they don't have another way of making more money. How about giving them free health insurance so that they can visit good hospitals as well? They can't afford Bumrungrad. How about giving the old people an actual pension? They get no money when they're old.

[jdinasia]

Dude, here it is:

I don't support derailing the skytrain, for whatever reason

Happy? I never said that I support violence. If Jatuporn or whoever said that, it's certainly wrong. But that doesn't mean that the entire concerns of the red shirt movement should be ignored. The government needs to start LISTENING to the poor rural Thais, not just ignore them and tell them to shut up and go back to their farms. These times have ended 100 or 200 years ago in Europe, and they're ending now in Thailand.

The government has been addressing the concerns of the rural poor (all over the country!) for the last 14 months. It will continue. It won't be instant. It will be sustainable. It won't include bringing Thaksin back or allowing insurrection and sedition.

If the reds were concerned about Thailand and not Thaksin then PTP would be acting as a strong opposition party and working to help things go forward. Instead we have a PTP MP calling for violence (Jatuporn) and other red leaders calling for violence.

As KJP stated in the past ---- the government must maintain the rule of law. Unlike the guys he supported and excused for the violence in 2008, I hope that the current government can do it with no loss of life!

There I said it

[WAERTH]

Mmmmmm all live coverage seems to have gone and all tv stations back to soaps etc.

Nationchannel is only reporting foreign news now.

News blackout?

W

[chadintheusa]

M-16s out and shots now heard at Phan Fa - live video on Thai PBS.

Most of the footage is not live.

M16's can be used to fire rubber bullets

[4223rhodes]

Abhisit must resign. Look at what he is saying on television to the Thai Nation to calm them. It is insanity!

[humfurry]

Mmmmmm all live coverage seems to have gone and all tv stations back to soaps etc.

Nationchannel is only reporting foreign news now.

News blackout?

W

Seems to be that way... add fake TV to the List of Fakes.

Edited April 10, 2010 by humfurry