Nokhuk Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 Has anyone actually got anything constructive to say ... i.e. well researched approaches for solution etc ....??? It would maybe be of greater interest than calling each other "crack heads" .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sausageandmash Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 wonder what's going through Abhisit's mind right now. If he had acted quicker in the first place and arrested all red shirt demonstrators, handcuffed them and piled them into police trucks, none of this would have happened. A lot of Thai people are openly asking me, "what must you think of our country?" Wouldn't be surprised of the PM asks Obama for military help on this one. Strangers things have happened. Arisaman will be up on kidnapping charges now , when they catch him he will go away for quite a while. No influential Thai does time. How long you been here? Long enough to know that anything is likely in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
materialsman Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 In the week that Malcolm Mclaren died, I can't help but think that he would have loved it here in Thailand, total anarchy reigns supreme on the streets, that's actually one of the reasons I came to live here, being an old punk I felt totally at home here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllanB Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 Pretty good what you can do with an SMS message all the way from Montenegro. "Dial a kidnapper" ...he's in the book. Taksin is a sly old fox, just give the poor man his money back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mesa55 Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 Has anyone actually got anything constructive to say ... i.e. well researched approaches for solution etc ....???It would maybe be of greater interest than calling each other "crack heads" .... You should look at Bangkok Pundit's blog. He has some information about a push from Thai academics to resolve the current crisis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needforspeed Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 this is going out of control.......practically they are doing whatever they want to do...........no law here.......... Correct, they had to arrest them 5 days ago, but nothing happened. Very sad and dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushdepth Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 Yet another display of red intimidation, violence and "democratic values". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxman71 Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 These thugs simply seem to believe they are above the law, acts like this make the perpetrators nothing more than terrorists. I feel that I am fairly objective in that I do not particularly like either the reds or the yellows. I, however, notice a rather consistent bias in this forum. Why is not the government held accountable (as terrorist) for closing the Red media outlets or 'kidnapping' the red leaders? The yellows after all came to power with similar tactics. Mostly I am concerned at the lack of desire to see a democratic as opposed to tyrannical process. Surprising since most foreigners come from democratic countries. Lets keep in mind that Songkran is many hundreds times more dangerous statistically speaking and in real life to! than the Reds are. I am not exactly an expert on the history of all this but I have seen enough to make a well based conclusion that many in this forum are biased. Oh, get off your la-la land high horse. Most modern "advanced" democracies are controlled by vested interests and buy votes of elected representatives just as the Thai political system does. The only difference is "advanced democratic" societies are just more sophisticated at doing it than the Thais are. It was reported in the Nation the other day that a couple of Americans got on a red stage and proclaimed their support for the "amazing" stand the reds are taking for democracy. And further stated that it took America a long time to have the advanced democracy it has now. What a f'ing joke; I wanted to puke right then and there. America has been controlled by well-heeled vested interests for decades and it is no different under Obama than it was under Bush. BTW, I am an American and I thoroughly disgusted with the actions and statements of those two Yank morons. The red shirts have lost whatever credibility they may have had and need to be kicked to the curb. Enough is enough. This is not a lawful expression of democracy; it is crass lawlessness, arrogrance, tyranny and completed inconsideration on the part of the red shirts for their fellow Thais. Abhisit needs to take the gloves off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needforspeed Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 Yet another display of red intimidation, violence and "democratic values". Let us all pray for Thailand and there people that they not going to rule this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatsupdoc Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 Has anyone actually got anything constructive to say ... i.e. well researched approaches for solution etc ....???It would maybe be of greater interest than calling each other "crack heads" .... The country is now so polarized that it is very difficult to find a solution that would be acceptable to all parties. New elections is not the answer, it is only going to deepen the divide and they are not going to be fair (that is, without vote buying and all candidates being able to campaign freely). A national government cannot be formed since the parties would never agree on the people who can take part in that one. A new military coup might bring stability but it is not a solution most people would be in favor of... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkksteviejai Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 These thugs simply seem to believe they are above the law, acts like this make the perpetrators nothing more than terrorists. I feel that I am fairly objective in that I do not particularly like either the reds or the yellows. I, however, notice a rather consistent bias in this forum. Why is not the government held accountable (as terrorist) for closing the Red media outlets or 'kidnapping' the red leaders? The yellows after all came to power with similar tactics. Mostly I am concerned at the lack of desire to see a democratic as opposed to tyrannical process. Surprising since most foreigners come from democratic countries. Lets keep in mind that Songkran is many hundreds times more dangerous statistically speaking and in real life to! than the Reds are. I am not exactly an expert on the history of all this but I have seen enough to make a well based conclusion that many in this forum are biased. I make you right on that, very few balanced, thoughtful comments. I'm really hoping that there are some serious students of Thai policitics in here, who have extensively read thai language political history (not just from recent events) and from different sources. If so, then I bow to your superior knowledge, if not.......why are you getting so excited and taking sides about something you know little about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mesa55 Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 wonder what's going through Abhisit's mind right now.If he had acted quicker in the first place and arrested all red shirt demonstrators, handcuffed them and piled them into police trucks, none of this would have happened. A lot of Thai people are openly asking me, "what must you think of our country?" Wouldn't be surprised of the PM asks Obama for military help on this one. Strangers things have happened. Arisaman will be up on kidnapping charges now , when they catch him he will go away for quite a while. No influential Thai does time. How long you been here? Long enough to know that anything is likely in Thailand. I really doubt that the US will get involved in this, the yellow shirts tend to have rather poor view of Americans in general, from my experience. THey tned to look more towards the UK. And the UK for sure isn't going to get involved in this mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 Arisaman will be up on kidnapping charges now , when they catch him he will go away for quite a while. Not if the reds win. Then he will be the government. They clearly aim to change everything here, not just who is PM, but the actual structure of the government, and beyond ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigiman Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 I really get sick of this biased reporting. Give me a break ,,, " kidnapped " . Just another way of demonizing and villifying the protesters as an angry mob. Its obvious this is not a kidnapping in the western sense of the word. Come on !! He was led away on the back of a motorcycle ,,, probably for talks or meetings and will be home for dinner later tonight. Whats next ,, are you going to claim they are holding him for ransom of 1 billion bhat ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackSterling Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 Somewhere I read.. when you deal with ignorance it is only until you can educate the ones being ignorant.. But when you deal with downright stupidity.. you will never win because stupidity is what it is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nokhuk Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 Has anyone actually got anything constructive to say ... i.e. well researched approaches for solution etc ....???It would maybe be of greater interest than calling each other "crack heads" .... You should look at Bangkok Pundit's blog. He has some information about a push from Thai academics to resolve the current crisis. Thanks ... I have already read this, and yes, this is exactly the right stuff ... it appears that the infighting on the forum sometime - ufortunately - outweighs the real object of the discussion ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mesa55 Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 Had a good laugh about this "kidnapping", for sure they will not slaughter him.On a more serious tone: This might attract the public attention on the ongoing censorship in Thailand in which CAT plays a crucial executing role. Life without proxys or tor software becomes impossible here. At least http://www.prachatai.org/english/ is online again and the only real source of information. I do not like this screen, it justifies by itself already a revolution. ขออภัยในความไม่สะดวก เว็บไซต์ที่ท่านต้องการเข้าชมได้ถูกระงับการเผยแพร่ตามคำสั่งจากกระทรวงเทคโนโลยีสารสนเทศและการสื่อสาร สอบถามข้อมูลเพิ่มเติมได้ที่ กระทรวงเทคโนโลยีสารสนเทศและการสื่อสาร อาคาร 9 บริษัท ทีโอที จำกัด (มหาชน) ถนนแจ้งวัฒนะ เขตหลักสี่ กรุงเทพฯ 10210 โทร 0-2505-7147, 0-2568-2498 Sorry for any inconvenience. The page you are trying to visit has been blocked by the Ministry of Information and Communication Technology.For more information, please contact Ministry of Information and Communication Technology Building 9, TOT Public Limited Company, Chaengwattana Road, Laksi, Bangkok 10210 Tel. 0-2505-7147, 0-2568-2498 Killing frredom of speech is same killing people. I second this. I hope that more awareness is raised towards the rampant censorship in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddiench Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 Nothing to do with CAT Telecom. Some organisation should be deploying signal jammers in their area of protest now. Very soon...the mobile phones, walkie-talkies, satellite transmission and internet will not work. Good luck Reds...you'll have to start using smoke signals (caveman communications) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsecret Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 These thugs simply seem to believe they are above the law, acts like this make the perpetrators nothing more than terrorists. No different from the yellow shirts, they closed the airport and caused untold damage to the country! The army and the police are a joke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nokhuk Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 Has anyone actually got anything constructive to say ... i.e. well researched approaches for solution etc ....???It would maybe be of greater interest than calling each other "crack heads" .... You should look at Bangkok Pundit's blog. He has some information about a push from Thai academics to resolve the current crisis. Thanks ... I have already read this, and yes, this is exactly the right stuff ... it appears that the infighting on the forum sometime - ufortunately - outweighs the real object of the discussion ... ... oh and yes ... I am a lousy typist!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lumumba Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 Has anyone actually got anything constructive to say ... i.e. well researched approaches for solution etc ....???It would maybe be of greater interest than calling each other "crack heads" .... We are not here or being paid to offer constructive approaches for solution, our opinions rarely matter in these woods. we just here to know who comes up with the most hilarious antics and what our Thai Chinese wives told us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mesa55 Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 Has anyone actually got anything constructive to say ... i.e. well researched approaches for solution etc ....???It would maybe be of greater interest than calling each other "crack heads" .... You should look at Bangkok Pundit's blog. He has some information about a push from Thai academics to resolve the current crisis. Thanks ... I have already read this, and yes, this is exactly the right stuff ... it appears that the infighting on the forum sometime - ufortunately - outweighs the real object of the discussion ... Yes, I agree. No problem. BP is a great researcher. Much better than the stuff I get here from The Nation or The Bangkok Post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrytheyoung Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 Has anyone actually got anything constructive to say ... i.e. well researched approaches for solution etc ....???It would maybe be of greater interest than calling each other "crack heads" .... The country is now so polarized that it is very difficult to find a solution that would be acceptable to all parties.New elections is not the answer, it is only going to deepen the divide and they are not going to be fair (that is, without vote buying and all candidates being able to campaign freely). A national government cannot be formed since the parties would never agree on the people who can take part in that one. A new military coup might bring stability but it is not a solution most people would be in favor of... the "Farang Community" particularly the yellowish part seems more stressed than the Thais. Cool down.... the higher level (the third hand) has not yet sounded his position,. I think it should come tomorrow or the day after tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nokhuk Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 Has anyone actually got anything constructive to say ... i.e. well researched approaches for solution etc ....???It would maybe be of greater interest than calling each other "crack heads" .... We are not here or being paid to offer constructive approaches for solution, our opinions rarely matter in these woods. we just here to know who comes up with the most hilarious antics and what our Thai Chinese wives told us. ok ... at least an honest answer!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 I really get sick of this biased reporting.Give me a break ,,, " kidnapped " . Just another way of demonizing and villifying the protesters as an angry mob. Its obvious this is not a kidnapping in the western sense of the word. Come on !! He was led away on the back of a motorcycle ,,, probably for talks or meetings and will be home for dinner later tonight. Whats next ,, are you going to claim they are holding him for ransom of 1 billion bhat ?? Huh? Are you really suggesting that he went willingly and not under threat when 300 motorcycles show up? Sad Sad sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 (edited) I really get sick of this biased reporting.Give me a break ,,, " kidnapped " . Just another way of demonizing and villifying the protesters as an angry mob. Its obvious this is not a kidnapping in the western sense of the word. Come on !! He was led away on the back of a motorcycle ,,, probably for talks or meetings and will be home for dinner later tonight. Whats next ,, are you going to claim they are holding him for ransom of 1 billion bhat ?? Forcibly led away? You are rationalizing that? This folks, is the red way. The word THUGS doesn't even begin to describe how disgusting they have acted. In criminal law, kidnapping is the taking away or transportation of a person against the person's wilWIKI Edited April 12, 2010 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentReader Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 If an arrest warrant has been issued already against this Arisaman Pongruangrong, why oh why do the police not take the opportunity when it is presented to them. I would think the police should have "watchers" who are strategically placed to observe these wanted men 24x7. Watch their movements and actions constantly. If Arisaman walked over to his Honda Click and jumped on it and was joined by 300 of his mates (for a cruise through Bangkok) the police should have noticed this as it was happening. They should also have some sort of procedure in place to take this guy down "arrest him" in this event. 300 on Honda Clicks is not an army and it should be possible even for the Thai police to manage to arrest the one leading the procession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 Has anyone actually got anything constructive to say ... i.e. well researched approaches for solution etc ....???It would maybe be of greater interest than calling each other "crack heads" .... The country is now so polarized that it is very difficult to find a solution that would be acceptable to all parties.New elections is not the answer, it is only going to deepen the divide and they are not going to be fair (that is, without vote buying and all candidates being able to campaign freely). A national government cannot be formed since the parties would never agree on the people who can take part in that one. A new military coup might bring stability but it is not a solution most people would be in favor of... the "Farang Community" particularly the yellowish part seems more stressed than the Thais. Cool down.... the higher level (the third hand) has not yet sounded his position,. I think it should come tomorrow or the day after tomorrow huh? The farang community is more worked up than the Thais? So far we haven't seen the "Farang Community" kidnapping people, attacking 1st Regiment, etc ... nor have we been parading corpses on stage or calling for War and a New Thai State from a stage that leads our followers to then attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizzi39 Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 OK now kidnapping??? Shut the f%#$%&@ down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaihog Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 (edited) There is an arrest warrant out for this Arisaman.If he would have been arrested once tha warrant was issued this would not have happened. Arrest warrants are a joke in Thailand, why do they bother. The person gets arrested, bail set at a rediculous low price of 100,000 baht or so and the person walks free and the court case gets lost in the system....... Edited April 12, 2010 by Thaihog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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