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[johndow500]

So, you think you have discovered something that no one else had noticed? Thanks for the enlightement...

Nah, actualy i am a newbi, i hate politics but love to hear-watch the news (ironic eh), this i cool i like i mean love thaivisa.com and i've been reading a lot of different forums, but never took the chance of registering.....

anywho it is a pleasure....and i know that everyone else knows that we know that they know...etc.

It's freaking hot, and with those demonstrators out there, it's like on the edge man...

[ThailandLovr]

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The RED are so stupid & unimaginative; <snip>

(unsure if you are being facetious or not, doesn't matter - my reply fits either way)

Actually ct I think their leaders have outsmarted the government almost every step of the way for the past 6 weeks.

Crude maybe, but some crafty people are running this thing for the Reds, as evidenced by the choice pick of the 3 Army officers attacked (the Colonel killed) on the 10th and its ramifications on the upcoming Army leadership reshuffle.

Edited April 23, 2010 by ThailandLovr

[elcent]

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/eo2...earch%20Results

interesting article here from Japan Times

better than any other news readings. Recommended to read.

[Neurath]

I can see that if the Junta doesn't call an election soon then civil unrest will tear the country into pieces!

Trans: "If the government doesn't do what we tell them immediately, now, today and without delay we will, with a self-centered joy in destruction, tear the country to pieces!"

Yours in democracy and love and a sharpened bamboo pole through your F'ing eye if dare disagree you elitist exploiting mother F'er.

[jcbangkok]

BTS' security cameras confirm M79 grenades fired from Lumpini Park: deputy BKK governor

Deputy Bangkok Governor Thirachon Manomaipibul said video records from security cameras of the BTS' Saladaeng station showed that m79 grenades were fired from the Lumpini Park Thursday night.

Thirachon said the security cameras of the Bangkok Metropolitan Administration were crippled by red-shirt protesters who put black plastic bags over the camera or turned the cameras into the sky.

Thirachon said the BMA sought cooperation from the BTS to check feeds of its security cameras and saw that the grenades were fired from the direction of the Lumpini Park into the crowds on Silom Road.

[elcent]

any red shirt leaders talking about the high state visits now? Na-Daek

[tracer5050]

maybe down to 3000 soon

[jcbangkok]

Any updates on the Silom area before people start heading to work?

Yes, any would be appreciated. I have to go down there now and want to know if the Sky Train is open.

I understand it was closing at 6 tonight

[midas]

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/eo2...earch%20Results

interesting article here from Japan Times

better than any other news readings. Recommended to read.

You are so correct elcent well written in a nutshell

Sin- Ming Shaw of Japan Times understands the situation far better than so many Western farangs on this forum

[pornsasi]

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/eo2...earch%20Results

interesting article here from Japan Times

Yes I read it . Its a very good article

[ThailandLovr]

<snip>

The RED are so stupid & unimaginative; <snip>

(unsure if you are being facetious or not, doesn't matter - my reply fits either way)

Actually ct I think their leaders have outsmarted the government almost every step of the way for the past 6 weeks.

Crude maybe, but some crafty people are running this thing for the Reds, as evidenced by the choice pick of the 3 Army officers attacked (the Colonel killed) on the 10th and its ramifications on the upcoming Army leadership reshuffle.

Now Army says no force will be used to disperse the protesters -- I thought this was a promise (to disperse). See? Red's outsmarted the gov't and Army again. They are winning. I think they will get all they want or very close to it.

Edited April 23, 2010 by ThailandLovr

[hammered]

<snip>

The RED are so stupid & unimaginative; <snip>

(unsure if you are being facetious or not, doesn't matter - my reply fits either way)

Actually ct I think their leaders have outsmarted the government almost every step of the way for the past 6 weeks.

Crude maybe, but some crafty people are running this thing for the Reds, as evidenced by the choice pick of the 3 Army officers attacked (the Colonel killed) on the 10th and its ramifications on the upcoming Army leadership reshuffle.

Now Army says no force will be used to disperse the protesters -- I thought this was a promise (to disperse). See? Red's outsmarted the gov't and Army again. They are winning. I think they will get all they want or very close to it.

Anupongs statement was contradictory: it is an attack on the monarchy, we will defend the monarchy, we wont use force to clear protestors, we wont let Thais kill each other. Go figure but it sure seems to confuse

[lannarebirth]

<snip>

The RED are so stupid & unimaginative; <snip>

(unsure if you are being facetious or not, doesn't matter - my reply fits either way)

Actually ct I think their leaders have outsmarted the government almost every step of the way for the past 6 weeks.

Crude maybe, but some crafty people are running this thing for the Reds, as evidenced by the choice pick of the 3 Army officers attacked (the Colonel killed) on the 10th and its ramifications on the upcoming Army leadership reshuffle.

Now Army says no force will be used to disperse the protesters -- I thought this was a promise (to disperse). See? Red's outsmarted the gov't and Army again. They are winning. I think they will get all they want or very close to it.

Anupongs statement was contradictory: it is an attack on the monarchy, we will defend the monarchy, we wont use force to clear protestors, we wont let Thais kill each other. Go figure but it sure seems to confuse

And each day some more time passes and legislative business gets done. Soon the rains will come and that may thin the crowd a bit more. Playing for time it looks like.

[jcbangkok]

<snip>

The RED are so stupid & unimaginative; <snip>

(unsure if you are being facetious or not, doesn't matter - my reply fits either way)

Actually ct I think their leaders have outsmarted the government almost every step of the way for the past 6 weeks.

Crude maybe, but some crafty people are running this thing for the Reds, as evidenced by the choice pick of the 3 Army officers attacked (the Colonel killed) on the 10th and its ramifications on the upcoming Army leadership reshuffle.

Now Army says no force will be used to disperse the protesters -- I thought this was a promise (to disperse). See? Red's outsmarted the gov't and Army again. They are winning. I think they will get all they want or very close to it.

Anupongs statement was contradictory: it is an attack on the monarchy, we will defend the monarchy, we wont use force to clear protestors, we wont let Thais kill each other. Go figure but it sure seems to confuse

They are certainly making it hard to support them. However, I wonder if they mean they will simply continue to obey international rules. Obviously they can move in fairly timidly to disperse the crowd and then when the first deadly weapon is hurled by the red army, they can defend themselves.

[Shah Jahan]

Now Army says no force will be used to disperse the protesters --

maybe that means they are ready to use force?

seems about par for the course.

[Shah Jahan]

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/eo2...earch%20Results

interesting article here from Japan Times

better than any other news readings. Recommended to read.

You are so correct elcent well written in a nutshell

Sin- Ming Shaw of Japan Times understands the situation far better than so many Western farangs on this forum

highly uneducated article by an intellextual needing to have an opinion to justify his extistance.

Its a simple clash of titan in that great chess board . nothing to do with " the people" who are moved like pawns without their own thoughts nor will.

[commons]

Thaksin propoganda machine moves in to overdrive. Sock Puppet Rangers Morph!

" Brainwashed "

"The Red Shirts – from the same nation – say they are fighting for their democratic right to have an election..."

Now that's just not true. They aren't fighting for this. They are making a non-negotiable demand that the parliament is dissolved immediately and Abhisit and Suthep to leave the country. The demand for house dissolution has been reduced from 15 days to immediate. That is not fighting for the democratic right to have an election.

Their demands are, they have said, non-negotiable and they are have also said that they will continue with their present occupation and try to expand it until those demands are met.

It's astounding that many seem to desperately want to read this conflict through a romantic revolutionary narrative. There seems to be a desperate desire to see the Red leadership as what they would like them to be rather than what they are and what they do. Gosh is one of these.

There is a great deal of international respect for the Red movement and to a lesser extent Thaksin. This doesn't necessarily come from a deep positive attraction to them, but emanates for a deep hatred of their yellow enemies, the oppressors.

oh really? i read your posts, none of them supply any evidence, you just SHOUT.

you spew hatred & division.

if you've time..., would you please be so kind to supply at least rudimentary evidence for your posts?

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"the oppressors", don't make me laugh.

a) oppressor: thaksin

oppressor: a group claiming "peaceful" means - research tweets, pics, videos of intimidation

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btw, thanks for another insight into a mind who's able to conceive reality as you do ;-)

[midas]

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/eo2...earch%20Results

interesting article here from Japan Times

better than any other news readings. Recommended to read.

You are so correct elcent well written in a nutshell

Sin- Ming Shaw of Japan Times understands the situation far better than so many Western farangs on this forum

highly uneducated article by an intellextual needing to have an opinion to justify his extistance.

Its a simple clash of titan in that great chess board . nothing to do with " the people" who are moved like pawns without their own thoughts nor will.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion

But if they just have an election then there wont be any need to debate it any further

[jackr]

Now Army says no force will be used to disperse the protesters -- I thought this was a promise (to disperse). See? Red's outsmarted the gov't and Army again. They are winning. I think they will get all they want or very close to it.

If everyone gives in and lets them get their way - particularly in light of the way some of these low lives have carried out their demo - this place will be so much more worse off.

[midas]

Now Army says no force will be used to disperse the protesters -- I thought this was a promise (to disperse). See? Red's outsmarted the gov't and Army again. They are winning. I think they will get all they want or very close to it.

If everyone gives in and lets them get their way - particularly in light of the way some of these low lives have carried out their demo - this place will be so much more worse off.

you mean " give in " to allowing the people to vote for the leader they want ?

[BIGTOE3]

Now Army says no force will be used to disperse the protesters -- I thought this was a promise (to disperse). See? Red's outsmarted the gov't and Army again. They are winning. I think they will get all they want or very close to it.

If everyone gives in and lets them get their way - particularly in light of the way some of these low lives have carried out their demo - this place will be so much more worse off.

you mean " give in " to allowing the people to vote for the leader they want ?

NO that is NOT what he is saying at all.

[traderjm]

you mean " give in " to allowing the people to vote for the leader they want ?

Does mom know you are on the computer again??

So what if the DON'T get the leader they want in the next elections? It's ok with you if they come back and start all over again? Or what if they DO get the leader they want and the Yellows don't like it and the start the next round... why can't you see that giving in to a minority that is run but a crook will NOT solve anything the elections will fix nothing if they happen under threat or fear of more bloodshed

[chadintheusa]

Why don't the owners of central hire some buses and pay each person 5000 baht to get on them and send them home. Drop them off up North everybody is happy.

[pontius]

Why don't the owners of central hire some buses and pay each person 5000 baht to get on them and send them home. Drop them off up North everybody is happy.

For 5K you'll find 2 million people easily, who want to be driven back "home". Some probably a few times.

[ozzieman05]

Please Note Red shirt leaders

To day the courts made it clear what there verdict means

"Negotiations must be aimed at finding a solution for the whole country, not just the Red Shirts, they are just part of society," he added. "We have to uphold the rule of law."

[midas]

you mean " give in " to allowing the people to vote for the leader they want ?

Does mom know you are on the computer again??

So what if the DON'T get the leader they want in the next elections? It's ok with you if they come back and start all over again? Or what if they DO get the leader they want and the Yellows don't like it and the start the next round... why can't you see that giving in to a minority that is run but a crook will NOT solve anything the elections will fix nothing if they happen under threat or fear of more bloodshed

what if what if what if what if what if what if what if what if blah blah blah

do what other countries do..........put it to the vote genius

[commons]

you mean " give in " to allowing the people to vote for the leader they want ?

Does mom know you are on the computer again??

So what if the DON'T get the leader they want in the next elections? It's ok with you if they come back and start all over again? Or what if they DO get the leader they want and the Yellows don't like it and the start the next round... why can't you see that giving in to a minority that is run but a crook will NOT solve anything the elections will fix nothing if they happen under threat or fear of more bloodshed

what if what if what if what if what if what if what if what if blah blah blah

do what other countries do..........put it to the vote genius

you're another intent to experience pain & suffering, right?

1) ok, let's put it to the vote, "genius" - any reason this vote has to be "now", just as _you_ & "your friends" try to intimidate me into doing it?

2) "do what other countries do"? - i'm not sure i understand? you mean "other countries" give up "sovereignity of law, order, government" just as some people try to put pressure to mend the rules? oh really, that's what you propose, right?

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tss tss... in any case. we're back to square one. red shirt hate speech on full throttle. here's some tweets by

http://twitter.com/terryfrd

# Nattawud says there is a special unit to deal with leaders. Jatuporn always shows no fear, often sarcastic. 1 minute ago via TweetDeck

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Jatuporn says they will have 12,000 motorcycle heroes to resist on frontlines. Troops are to be ready to go within 1 hour of order. 2 minutes ago via TweetDeck

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Jatuporn has detailed information about units to be involved. Says some do not have crowd dispersal equipment, only M16s, etc. 3 minutes ago via TweetDeck

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Police will go first, soldiers next, Jatuporn says. Preparations of troops supposed to be finished today, but delayed until tomorrow. 5 minutes ago via TweetDeck

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jatuporn is revealing a conversation between Abhisit and Anupong this afternoon. Spies at work again. 6 minutes ago via TweetDeck

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No one knows what the King will say, Jatuporn says, so govt cannot take chances. (Sounds like dangerous talk, doesn't it?) 7 minutes ago via TweetDeck

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Govt, jatuporn says, is under extreme pressure. Must finish dispersal by Monday evening before King has audience with judges. 8 minutes ago via TweetDeck

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PM Abhisit, you will no longer have anyway of knowing who is a red shirt. 9 minutes ago via TweetDeck

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We are now multi-coloured, wear anything you want, but our hearts are still red: jatuporn 10 minutes ago via TweetDeck

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Our proposal of last night is hearby revoked. Immediate dissolution is our demand. Jatuporn. 12 minutes ago via TweetDeck

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Jatuporn:. Police and troops in Central World. Leave immediately. Owners of Central World, it you want your building intact, get them out 13 minutes ago via TweetDeck

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Keep communications open, he says, and watch for infiltrators. Reds throughout the country, come here to Ratchaprasong. 15 minutes ago via TweetDeck

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Nattawud is very very good at this, incidentally. Excellent at rallying the forces. 16 minutes ago via TweetDeck

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With our media silenced, everyone should spread the word. Resist immediately using passive resistance. 17 minutes ago via TweetDeck

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Nattawud says they should resist passively and engage the security forces in conversation for a couple of days. 18 minutes ago via TweetDeck

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Nattawud says that reds throughout the country should watch troop and police movements.Use the Khonkaen model and stop them 19 minutes ago via TweetDeck

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We have six lines of defence already, nattawud says. 2,000 Motorcycle volunteers are needed at each point, he says. 21 minutes ago via TweetDeck

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Red remains colour inside rally site, nattawud says. Vendors should not despair. When this is over, sales will be brisk. 22 minutes ago via TweetDeck

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Those of you having only red to wear tonight,keep your red clothes on for one more day.Let's not overdo it. 23 minutes ago via TweetDeck

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Nattawud, says this will only be temporary, until we defeat the government. 24 minutes ago via TweetDeck

# Troops are varying their movements, trying to make it difficult for us to react. From no on, our "fighters" will no longer wear red. 25 minutes ago via TweetDeck

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Nattawud says armed troops are actively trying to prevent protestors for going to Ratchaprasong. 26 minutes ago via TweetDeck

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Instead, Nattaawud, he is preparing forces for dispersal within 2 days. 27 minutes ago via TweetDeck

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It was a daring attempt to get both sides to take a step back. PM did not have courage to do it. 28 minutes ago via TweetDeck

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(It's getting hard to get a steady signal from PTV) Our proposal was not made out of weakness or fear. Just the opposite. 30 minutes ago via TweetDeck

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PM has ordered the end to negotiations with the UDD. Thus we are reverting to our original stance: immediate dissolution. 32 minutes ago via TweetDeck

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Nattawud explains new strategy. It is now clear that Abhisit has closed the door on our 30 day house dissolution proposal. 33 minutes ago via TweetDeck

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Veera: A change in strategy is necessary, but it will still be peaceful - something all Thais accept. 34 minutes ago via TweetDeck

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Veera says that unfortunately the government has not responded positively. Govt rep was suddenly ordered to end negotiations. 36 minutes ago via TweetDeck

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Yesterday's proposals for negotiation were intended to save lives, Veera says. Allowed govt 30 + 60 = 90 days. 37 minutes ago via TweetDeck

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Veera is making announcement from Red stage, flanked by core leaders. 40 minutes ago via TweetDeck

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RT @veen_NT: Porntiwa: Com Ministry to meet Rajprasong biz group next week to help affected businesses / how bout w. Civil Court injunction? about 1 hour ago via TweetDeck

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Red speaker announcing the menu for tonight and the tents where the various entrees are being served. Need a helmet? 5 have been donated. about 1 hour ago via TweetDeck

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@yellowdaisygirl According to the young man on the red stage, think he's a high-ranking guard,it's Ratchaprasong. about 1 hour ago via TweetDeck in reply to yellowdaisygirl

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@yellowdaisygirl Ekamai certainly seems secure, esp as you get further into the soi away from Sukhumvit. (Or is that a trick question?) about 1 hour ago via TweetDeck in reply to yellowdaisygirl

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Same speaker: In red marches, leaders go first. about 1 hour ago via TweetDeck

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Same speaker:PAD organised Oct 7 march with innocents in front, armed guards in back. Their ping pong bomb killed Nong Bo, not gas cannister about 2 hours ago via TweetDeck

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From red stage: (Actor friend of Methi) Why is red protest never hit by M79 grenades? Because no one hates us. about 2 hours ago via TweetDeck

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A mass back, shoulder massage at Ratchaprasong to do away with those aches and pains. Only massage, the speaker warns. about 2 hours ago via TweetDeck

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@qandrew This isn't your standard mudslinging. It' much more vicious, but then they go on to extol their peaceful campaign for democracy. about 2 hours ago via TweetDeck in reply to qandrew

# @qandrew Exactly. How can there be a fair election when Abhisit is being vilified endlessly as a murderer on red stage? about 2 hours ago via TweetDeck in reply to qandrew

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Adisorn, holding up loincloth on red stage: "Abhisit, take this phakhawma and hang yourself." Guess he doesn't want 2 be outdone by Dr Weng about 2 hours ago via TweetDeck

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Reds have a song for Suryayud Chulanont. It's called Naa Ai (Shameful). Adisorn is singing it now on red stage. about 2 hours ago via TweetDeck

[midas]

you're another intent to experience pain & suffering, right?

1) ok, let's put it to the vote, "genius" - any reason this vote has to be "now", just as _you_ & "your friends" try to intimidate me into doing it?

2) "do what other countries do"? - i'm not sure i understand? you mean "other countries" give up "sovereignity of law, order, government" just as some people try to put pressure to mend the rules? oh really, that's what you propose, right?

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tss tss... in any case. we're back to square one. red shirt hate speech on full throttle. here's some tweets by

The people of Isaan never voted for this guy.

We're not back to square one this will be much worse.......... Now Abhisit will ignite an ETA or IRA style environment

Very clever negotiating on belhalf of the elite

[chadintheusa]

If the UDD says that the army is about to attack them they must be right, they would never lie to their own people.

[commons]

you're another intent to experience pain & suffering, right?

1) ok, let's put it to the vote, "genius" - any reason this vote has to be "now", just as _you_ & "your friends" try to intimidate me into doing it?

2) "do what other countries do"? - i'm not sure i understand? you mean "other countries" give up "sovereignity of law, order, government" just as some people try to put pressure to mend the rules? oh really, that's what you propose, right?

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tss tss... in any case. we're back to square one. red shirt hate speech on full throttle. here's some tweets by

{snipped by midas}

The people of Isaan never voted for this guy.

We're not back to square one this will be much worse.......... Now Abhisit will ignite an ETA or IRA style environment

Very clever negotiating on belhalf of the elite

i read your posts. i'll give you _exactly_ _one_ day of my attention, ok?

a) what does it matter if people of isaan never voted for this guy? you wanna tell me that "people of isaan" are now in charge of well-being of a whole country? btw, it's just today nattawhut _out-ruled_ that democrats would be allowed to do pr for a "general election"

-> so, in essence, you're saying: YOU talk for the "people of isaan" & everyone who disagrees with your self-grandeur has to be... "removed"?

btw, who's "elite" in your terms _today_? as latest posts show, even "middle class" is now perceived to be oppressing elite? that has to be re-educated... etc etc. oh really?

c) oooh, you indulge violence as eta or ira? why not state publicly, we're freedom-fighters/terrorists. we want to overthrow this society by violent means. we just hate you. & we enjoy harming others.

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btw, i'd appreciate if you'd be able to train yourself to quote. thanks. it's kind of a convenience for follow-up. no, i'm not hinting at state of your rational faculties - your comments speak for themselves.