Vigo Prerunner 15" Wheels Can Change To 17" ?

[cifreak]

err, if I may add, I think Toyota have updated their ETC for Hiluxes, and the bigger donuts have added extra (much needed) grip/ traction. I felt the difference moving from a 15" Vigo to a 16" and to a 17". The only downside is with the bigger/ heavier wheels, power loss can be felt.

[Rtwo]

err, if I may add, I think Toyota have updated their ETC for Hiluxes, and the bigger donuts have added extra (much needed) grip/ traction. I felt the difference moving from a 15" Vigo to a 16" and to a 17". The only downside is with the bigger/ heavier wheels, power loss can be felt.

Yes forced on them by European regulators. That said I've got a 2 door 4WD Vigo and quite honestly it's a deathtrap in 2 WD mode particularly when the road is the slightest bit greasy. I can see no reason why anybody should buy a Prerunner other than to see over things and unless you load the back up I should think that it'll get stuck on the tiniest bit of mud. I can make the tail break away in a straight line just by gunning it away from the traffic lights. Roadholding, what roadholding??? I'm not surprised that Lexus have stopped worldwide sales of 4WD vehicles, Toyotas will be next I shouldn't wonder!

[katabeachbum]

err, if I may add, I think Toyota have updated their ETC for Hiluxes, and the bigger donuts have added extra (much needed) grip/ traction. I felt the difference moving from a 15" Vigo to a 16" and to a 17". The only downside is with the bigger/ heavier wheels, power loss can be felt.

Yes forced on them by European regulators. That said I've got a 2 door 4WD Vigo and quite honestly it's a deathtrap in 2 WD mode particularly when the road is the slightest bit greasy. I can see no reason why anybody should buy a Prerunner other than to see over things and unless you load the back up I should think that it'll get stuck on the tiniest bit of mud. I can make the tail break away in a straight line just by gunning it away from the traffic lights. Roadholding, what roadholding??? I'm not surprised that Lexus have stopped worldwide sales of 4WD vehicles, Toyotas will be next I shouldn't wonder!

Your motor, may sound daft but your tyre pressures OK, not to high.

takes more driving skills to keep on the road a pickup build on frame with leafsprings, than a Vios. some of us manage, some of us prefere to switch off VSC/ESP to keep the speed up

most drivers are better off with a Vios

[Rtwo]

err, if I may add, I think Toyota have updated their ETC for Hiluxes, and the bigger donuts have added extra (much needed) grip/ traction. I felt the difference moving from a 15" Vigo to a 16" and to a 17". The only downside is with the bigger/ heavier wheels, power loss can be felt.

Yes forced on them by European regulators. That said I've got a 2 door 4WD Vigo and quite honestly it's a deathtrap in 2 WD mode particularly when the road is the slightest bit greasy. I can see no reason why anybody should buy a Prerunner other than to see over things and unless you load the back up I should think that it'll get stuck on the tiniest bit of mud. I can make the tail break away in a straight line just by gunning it away from the traffic lights. Roadholding, what roadholding??? I'm not surprised that Lexus have stopped worldwide sales of 4WD vehicles, Toyotas will be next I shouldn't wonder!

Your motor, may sound daft but your tyre pressures OK, not to high.

takes more driving skills to keep on the road a pickup build on frame with leafsprings, than a Vios. some of us manage, some of us prefere to switch off VSC/ESP to keep the speed up

most drivers are better off with a Vios

The tyre pressures are fine, whether the tyres (Bridgestone)are is another matter, As soon as they come up replacement I shall try Michelins I think. As far as the leaf springs are concerned I sucessfully rallied a leaf sprung Lotus Cortina so I'm quite capable of driving a leaf sprung vehicle on the limit. I agree completely with your comment about the Vios being a more suitable vehicle for the average driver, there is really no comparison between the roadholding of the two, with the Vios winning hands down but you can't carry large loads in a Vios can you? In my opinion the Vigo is inherently unstable and Toyota should and could (if they wanted) do something to improve it. I'm not disputing the fact that it's fast but the roadholding and the brakes should be better. I feel safer in my Mercedes Sprinter Van than the Vigo unless I use 4WD

[REDRAM]

I think they were about 4000 but I am not sure, I just remember comparing them to the price of Bridgestone and I think they were cheaper or about the same, but like I said I got them at Cockpit and I am very happy with their service.

"Bikerlou47" care to share what price you got for your new 17" Michelins? I need to change mine very soon, the original Bridgestone are only so so in grip. Need to look at other options. Thanks.

[katabeachbum]

The tyre pressures are fine, whether the tyres (Bridgestone)are is another matter, As soon as they come up replacement I shall try Michelins I think. As far as the leaf springs are concerned I sucessfully rallied a leaf sprung Lotus Cortina so I'm quite capable of driving a leaf sprung vehicle on the limit. I agree completely with your comment about the Vios being a more suitable vehicle for the average driver, there is really no comparison between the roadholding of the two, with the Vios winning hands down but you can't carry large loads in a Vios can you? In my opinion the Vigo is inherently unstable and Toyota should and could (if they wanted) do something to improve it. I'm not disputing the fact that it's fast but the roadholding and the brakes should be better. I feel safer in my Mercedes Sprinter Van than the Vigo unless I use 4WD

I guess you havent tryed the mazda BT50 or Ford Ranger then. Can do curves at approx 60% of Vigo speed. Did you know 2010 Vigo 4x4 4 door auto has different springs and some other suspension parts and brakes. Huge difference

I also find the 2010 Bridgestone 684 II roadbiased 17" used on 4x4 auto 4 door rather good for pickuptyres, and traction is far better than the previous used Bridgestone Dueller AT and Michelin All Terrain in 15" and 16".

[phutoie2]

I guess you havent tryed the mazda BT50 or Ford Ranger then. Can do curves at approx 60% of Vigo speed.

Absolute tosh & drivel. Instead of posting outlandish comments such as this(Far too frequently), where is your evidence???

If the 4 x 4 Vigo's handling is that good, why do most of the 4 x 4's up here in farming land have a strut/brace across the rear suspension?.

Must be for carrying those 45 gallon oil drums in the back.

Get yourself off holiday island and have a look at pickups in the real world.

[katabeachbum]

I guess you havent tryed the mazda BT50 or Ford Ranger then. Can do curves at approx 60% of Vigo speed.

Absolute tosh & drivel. Instead of posting outlandish comments such as this(Far too frequently), where is your evidence???

If the 4 x 4 Vigo's handling is that good, why do most of the 4 x 4's up here in farming land have a strut/brace across the rear suspension?.

Must be for carrying those 45 gallon oil drums in the back.

Get yourself off holiday island and have a look at pickups in the real world.

I can partly understand your rage, since my info wasnt very accurate.

Most of my experience with pickups is having a car dealership importing US models made in Canada to Europe from 1985 to 2003

In addition I have some private experience selecting and purchasing pickups for own needs here in LOS for a few years

Doing so I have taken them all on the same testride, and the trackspeeds with similar stability and drift are as follows, approx numbers

Mazda BT50/Ford ranger 80 kmh

Chevy/Izu 100 kmh

Mitsu 105 kmh

Navara 110 kmh

Vigo 120 kmh

all rised bodys on 16" on/off road tyres

2010 Vigo 4x4 auto 4 door is faster and more stable due to improved suspension and better 17" wheels

If you have a peak in LOS largest motoring printed source, you may read approx same info

My 2005 Fortuner at 40k km, 2007 Camry 2,4 at 40k km and my 2008 Honda Accord 2,4 did most of its 70k on highway off holiday island, and my 2010 Vigo 4x4 auto 4 door has done more than 90% of its 9k km off Phuket. In 2008 and 2009 I lived more in my home in Hua Hin than in my home in Phuket. 2010 still counting. So thanks for your recomondation of getting off the island.

[M71]

"Before you go fitting it with larger diameter wheels be aware that Toyota Vigos in Europe are all fitted with 15" wheels for stability reasons following this test.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZF8N9NItHI

Four door versions used to be fitted with 17" as in Thailand but they were chaged for stability reasons"

Interesting - so is the consensus that 15" wheels are more stable than 17" wheels - or is it more a tire issue?

[katabeachbum]

"Before you go fitting it with larger diameter wheels be aware that Toyota Vigos in Europe are all fitted with 15" wheels for stability reasons following this test.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZF8N9NItHI

Four door versions used to be fitted with 17" as in Thailand but they were chaged for stability reasons"

Interesting - so is the consensus that 15" wheels are more stable than 17" wheels - or is it more a tire issue?

15' wheels has more suspension in the side of the tyre and thus loose traction more easily, skid at lower speed.

17" wheels hold traction longer, but when they slip/skid its at higher speed and faster movement needing a very experienced driver to avoid flipping

the less traction on tyres, the more easy to keep vehicle under control, because warning of lost traction comes at lower speed giving vehicle more slow movement in skid

in addition the 17" tyres on Vigo has much more traction than the 15" tyres, making above even more extreme

[M71]

Thanks katabeachbum - great post - I'll stick with the 15" wheels for the safety reasons.

Before asking in this forum I was under the impression that 17" wheels would improve safety over the 15"

Not so - and I get to pocket some doe :-)

Cheers!

"Before you go fitting it with larger diameter wheels be aware that Toyota Vigos in Europe are all fitted with 15" wheels for stability reasons following this test.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZF8N9NItHI

Four door versions used to be fitted with 17" as in Thailand but they were chaged for stability reasons"

Interesting - so is the consensus that 15" wheels are more stable than 17" wheels - or is it more a tire issue?

15' wheels has more suspension in the side of the tyre and thus loose traction more easily, skid at lower speed.

17" wheels hold traction longer, but when they slip/skid its at higher speed and faster movement needing a very experienced driver to avoid flipping

the less traction on tyres, the more easy to keep vehicle under control, because warning of lost traction comes at lower speed giving vehicle more slow movement in skid

in addition the 17" tyres on Vigo has much more traction than the 15" tyres, making above even more extreme