Chulalongkorn Hospital Evacuated After Stormed By Red-Shirts

[Sunderland]

I agree that the storming of the hospital was disgraceful. However, we should not be at all surprised. Thai society's attitude to anyone other than thyself is pretty shocking on the whole. How many Bangkokians actually make the effort to move their vehicle out the way of an ambulance stuck in traffic? Mmmmmm ... on a good day around 0.01% I would guess.

Don't think for a moment that the majority of the Thai population gives two hoots about what happened at Chulalongkorn Hospital last night. It's yesterday's news and the soap operas are more entertaining.

Bloody h3ll you are down on your fellow country folk. There's much disgust circulating about this one. The pro-Thaksin Pantip.com community circulating photos showing the hardship of Chula patients is evidence of a major rethink of support.

Perhaps so, but the vast majority of the population are much more concerned with other issues than the political crisis.

[Sunderland]

I agree that the storming of the hospital was disgraceful. However, we should not be at all surprised. Thai society's attitude to anyone other than thyself is pretty shocking on the whole. How many Bangkokians actually make the effort to move their vehicle out the way of an ambulance stuck in traffic? Mmmmmm ... on a good day around 0.01% I would guess.

Don't think for a moment that the majority of the Thai population gives two hoots about what happened at Chulalongkorn Hospital last night. It's yesterday's news and the soap operas are more entertaining.

Apparently you don't know Thais very well. I see you are still letting the Reds off the hook though, this time blaming ALL Thais for the Red behavior.

The web and my office are all horrified by the raiding of Chula (twice)

You draw conclusions that are not correct. Up to you.

[elcent]

Isn't he Ugandan now?

I am in Dubai at the moment and have it on good authority (from someone who works for the same airline and lives in the same building as his gig) that he is still involved with his Thai gig (aged about 26) and regularly visits her at her apartment with just one bodyguard (not sure if it that is a person or a condom). You have to wonder if it wouldn't be quite easy for a Thai agent to knock him off quite easily when he is travelling around so easily without a care in the world.

Makes you think that the Thai authorities prefer to have a living Thakin than a dead one.

this is exactly the same post as 2 months ago, only without Ugandan. Hmmm, what are you up too?

[hammered]

Yup, the PAD have a long history of using war weapons in their campaign unlike the UDD....oh, hang on a minute. I seem to have go my acronyms the wrong way round...

You think so? Find me one, just one, reference to an incident in which the PAD was implicated in that involved their use of an RPG or M79.

That goes for you too monkfish. Find me one.

I reverse the question as well!

Like I said if he were delivering to the the 63 M79 grenades to the Reds it would be all over the NEWS PAPERS! already

I tend to think they copped themselves?

No info is power in apower game and they wont let it go public when it has many other uses first. A lot of people know exaclty who is behind the various attacks and the info gives leverage as deals need to be cut. The reds arer doing enough damage to themselves already but there are powerful polticians who may well be accomodated. The reds can be sacrificed by the powerful politcos on their side and tbh th ered leadership will know this is apossoibility.

It is wroing analysis to think this is red versus yellow. Too many sides now and useful info wont be wasted on a group quite capable of wrecking itself. Low level useless info is another matter but not the real hard stuff

[jdinasia]

Yup, the PAD have a long history of using war weapons in their campaign unlike the UDD....oh, hang on a minute. I seem to have go my acronyms the wrong way round...

You think so? Find me one, just one, reference to an incident in which the PAD was implicated in that involved their use of an RPG or M79.

That goes for you too monkfish. Find me one.

I reverse the question as well!

Like I said if he were delivering to the the 63 M79 grenades to the Reds it would be all over the NEWS PAPERS! already

I tend to think they copped themselves?

Monkfish -- you are being silly again. Besides your lie about the PAD being known for using war weapons (not true, though they were known to be attacked by war weapons) ... your assertion that you can prove a negative is just not based on reality.

[DP25]

This could very well prove to be an electoral disaster for the reds. The pictures of sick children lying on the floor are horrid and are going to be splashed everywhere

[dobadoy]

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/Man-f...4-30128346.html

This one is a classic. Those downtrodden rural poor are being promised money to protest, getting shafted on the deal and being held against their will.

That's a hat trick!

Err look at the source man I could have made that story up.

You do seem to make quite a lot of stuff up, that's for sure

[deadsnoopy]

This could very well prove to be an electoral disaster for the reds. The pictures of sick children lying on the floor are horrid and are going to be splashed everywhere

I wonder if they will also state the fact that they didn't even have to be moved. Looks like someone tried to pull a pro-government PR stunt and pulled it off quite well.

[rabo]

I agree that the storming of the hospital was disgraceful. However, we should not be at all surprised. Thai society's attitude to anyone other than thyself is pretty shocking on the whole. How many Bangkokians actually make the effort to move their vehicle out the way of an ambulance stuck in traffic? Mmmmmm ... on a good day around 0.01% I would guess.

Don't think for a moment that the majority of the Thai population gives two hoots about what happened at Chulalongkorn Hospital last night. It's yesterday's news and the soap operas are more entertaining.

Don't think so. Teachers, doctors, and healing are pretty revered in Thai society. A bunch of lowly common thugs causing so much disruption and unhappiness to such revered work is going to be much more scandalous here than it would be in the West.

[DP25]

This could very well prove to be an electoral disaster for the reds. The pictures of sick children lying on the floor are horrid and are going to be splashed everywhere

I wonder if they will also state the fact that they didn't even have to be moved. Looks like someone tried to pull a pro-government PR stunt and pulled it off quite well.

It was probably the fake reds who forcibly broke in to begin with too!

[way2muchcoffee]

Yup, the PAD have a long history of using war weapons in their campaign unlike the UDD....oh, hang on a minute. I seem to have go my acronyms the wrong way round...

You think so? Find me one, just one, reference to an incident in which the PAD was implicated in that involved their use of an RPG or M79.

That goes for you too monkfish. Find me one.

I reverse the question as well!

Like I said if he were delivering to the the 63 M79 grenades to the Reds it would be all over the NEWS PAPERS! already

I tend to think they copped themselves?

Reverse the question? What do you mean? The red shirts/black shirts have been implicated in the use of M79 grenade launchers in numerous articles. However, I never once stated or suggested that the arrest of the man with the 63 grenades on his motorcycle was delivering them to red shirt leaders.

Edited April 30, 2010 by way2muchcoffee

[deadsnoopy]

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/Man-f...4-30128346.html

This one is a classic. Those downtrodden rural poor are being promised money to protest, getting shafted on the deal and being held against their will.

That's a hat trick!

Err look at the source man I could have made that story up.

You do seem to make quite a lot of stuff up, that's for sure

That story sounds fishy to me, especially this part:

Kirkkiart said he will have to return to the rally site to sign his name at 6 pm before sneaking out again.

If it's true, the Democrats have effectively busted this guy. He's not going to receive a warm welcome when he goes back to the rally site. That is ..if he ever even existed.

[deadsnoopy]

This could very well prove to be an electoral disaster for the reds. The pictures of sick children lying on the floor are horrid and are going to be splashed everywhere

I wonder if they will also state the fact that they didn't even have to be moved. Looks like someone tried to pull a pro-government PR stunt and pulled it off quite well.

It was probably the fake reds who forcibly broke in to begin with too!

Nobody is denying that the red shirts entered the hospital. But they didn't harm any patients. If they wanted to harm patients, they could harm them at the new location too, so the move was pointless and effectively a PR stunt. I'm sorry.

[LevelHead]

Yup, the PAD have a long history of using war weapons in their campaign unlike the UDD....oh, hang on a minute. I seem to have go my acronyms the wrong way round...

You think so? Find me one, just one, reference to an incident in which the PAD was implicated in that involved their use of an RPG or M79.

That goes for you too monkfish. Find me one.

I reverse the question as well!

Like I said if he were delivering to the the 63 M79 grenades to the Reds it would be all over the NEWS PAPERS! already

I tend to think they copped themselves?

Monkfish -- you are being silly again. Besides your lie about the PAD being known for using war weapons (not true, though they were known to be attacked by war weapons) ... your assertion that you can prove a negative is just not based on reality.

PAD guards were armed with guns.

Photo's appeared in the media of PAD guards with guns shooting at taxi drivers on the way to Don Muang.

PAD guards killed a man at Don Muang airport (they accused him of being an undercover policeman is the rumour).

PAD broke into government offices and caused damage.

PAD prevented parliament from opening by blockading the building and stopping MP's from doing their work.

PAD guards recently arrested in pick up with loads of weapons and grenades.

They are violent and armed.

[beejoir]

This could very well prove to be an electoral disaster for the reds. The pictures of sick children lying on the floor are horrid and are going to be splashed everywhere

I wonder if they will also state the fact that they didn't even have to be moved. Looks like someone tried to pull a pro-government PR stunt and pulled it off quite well.

It was probably the fake reds who forcibly broke in to begin with too!

Nobody is denying that the red shirts entered the hospital. But they didn't harm any patients. If they wanted to harm patients, they could harm them at the new location too, so the move was pointless and effectively a PR stunt. I'm sorry.

Have you been down there at night, do you hear how bloody noisy it is? This was probably the last straw, with those speakers on full blast screaming like little Asian Hitlers, denied proper and safe access in and out of their grounds coupled with the constant threat of violence and disease.

I don't blame them for moving their patients.

The protest should be affecting Hospitals or Schools, plain and simple, its just out of order.

[dobadoy]

This could very well prove to be an electoral disaster for the reds. The pictures of sick children lying on the floor are horrid and are going to be splashed everywhere

I wonder if they will also state the fact that they didn't even have to be moved. Looks like someone tried to pull a pro-government PR stunt and pulled it off quite well.

It was probably the fake reds who forcibly broke in to begin with too!

I think by tomorrow it will turn out that the reason Payap thinks Jatuporn ordered him to do it and Jatuporn and Weng think he did it himself will be the obvious fact that a well-known television impersonator appeared on stage while Jatuporn and Weng were having a 'massage' backstage with a few grateful Isaan daughters and convinced Payap to follow the false order. You will also not be surprised to find out that the "grateful Isaan daughters" were actually yellow spies, female police officers from down the road - the very same who struck fear and longing in the hearts of the red monks pushed to the front line in the stand off last month outside Police HQ.

Those tricky yellow bellies, you can't trust 'em not to stoop to any old trick. Please donate any spare change to the red cause.

Edited April 30, 2010 by dobadoy

[way2muchcoffee]

Nobody is denying that the red shirts entered the hospital. But they didn't harm any patients. If they wanted to harm patients, they could harm them at the new location too, so the move was pointless and effectively a PR stunt. I'm sorry.

You don't get it. When 100 loud redshirts carrying staffs and poles break into a hospital it is harmful to patients who are recovering from their ailments. They do not need to attack them to cause harm. The simple fact of causing terror to patients is potentially enough to cause pain, or arrest or slow their recovery.

Edited April 30, 2010 by way2muchcoffee

[jdinasia]

Yup, the PAD have a long history of using war weapons in their campaign unlike the UDD....oh, hang on a minute. I seem to have go my acronyms the wrong way round...

You think so? Find me one, just one, reference to an incident in which the PAD was implicated in that involved their use of an RPG or M79.

That goes for you too monkfish. Find me one.

I reverse the question as well!

Like I said if he were delivering to the the 63 M79 grenades to the Reds it would be all over the NEWS PAPERS! already

I tend to think they copped themselves?

No info is power in apower game and they wont let it go public when it has many other uses first. A lot of people know exaclty who is behind the various attacks and the info gives leverage as deals need to be cut. The reds arer doing enough damage to themselves already but there are powerful polticians who may well be accomodated. The reds can be sacrificed by the powerful politcos on their side and tbh th ered leadership will know this is apossoibility.

It is wroing analysis to think this is red versus yellow. Too many sides now and useful info wont be wasted on a group quite capable of wrecking itself. Low level useless info is another matter but not the real hard stuff

Hammered ---

That still leaves Veera to be considered. It looks like the folks running the reds made sure that EVERY red leader took a bite of the poison apple. Veera openly called for violence against the state like Jatuporn and Weng (looks like they made Veera do that when he came out of the government negotiations looking good!).

Chavalit is likely done ... same with another few PTP MP's.

The only ones coming out looking (relaitively) good are Banharn, Newin, and Abhisit (and yes I think that if they slam the lid on the red leadership and Thaksin then Abhisit comes out smelling like a rose!)

This ends up with the "right guy" getting tapped to lead the military, the PTP biting it badly in the next elections and the Newin and Banharn factions being the controlling factor in a new Democrat lead government. The "generals" end up with enough dirt on Banharn Newin and the Dems to feel safe and strong but not enough to be totally secure.

That leaves what happens when everything changes in Thailand.

Prem has been rumored to be at 1st Reg ... other rumors are circulating about Prem having been hurt recently. They are so vague (the rumors) that who can trust them at all?

[LevelHead]

This could very well prove to be an electoral disaster for the reds. The pictures of sick children lying on the floor are horrid and are going to be splashed everywhere

I wonder if they will also state the fact that they didn't even have to be moved. Looks like someone tried to pull a pro-government PR stunt and pulled it off quite well.

It was probably the fake reds who forcibly broke in to begin with too!

Nobody is denying that the red shirts entered the hospital. But they didn't harm any patients. If they wanted to harm patients, they could harm them at the new location too, so the move was pointless and effectively a PR stunt. I'm sorry.

And a disgusting PR stunt at that, its a disgrace that the hospital admin or owners wanted these movements done. Where they paid by the PAD or Team Yellow to move the patients and pose for the media for photo's ?

Shame on them for moving patients "just for the camera's" in all reality it seems.

[deadsnoopy]

PAD guards were armed with guns.

Photo's appeared in the media of PAD guards with guns shooting at taxi drivers on the way to Don Muang.

PAD guards killed a man at Don Muang airport (they accused him of being an undercover policeman is the rumour).

PAD shooting at police & army = perfectly acceptable (leaders are still on the streets)

UDD shooting at police & army = baaaaaaaad (leaders are to be arrested)

PAD broke into government offices and caused damage.

PAD prevented parliament from opening by blockading the building and stopping MP's from doing their work.

...and they basically lived in government house for 8 months.

PAD guards recently arrested in pick up with loads of weapons and grenades.

They are violent and armed.

Yeah, but they're pro-government. So they can do all that.

[Meridian007]

PAD guards were armed with guns.

Photo's appeared in the media of PAD guards with guns shooting at taxi drivers on the way to Don Muang.

PAD guards killed a man at Don Muang airport (they accused him of being an undercover policeman is the rumour).

PAD broke into government offices and caused damage.

PAD prevented parliament from opening by blockading the building and stopping MP's from doing their work.

PAD guards recently arrested in pick up with loads of weapons and grenades.

They are violent and armed.

I agree that they are, but wow. Now that I look at the list of wrongs against the PAD, and I compare them to what the reds have put this country through, the PAD don't seem so bad! (and that's scary!)

[TheOldWolf]

This could very well prove to be an electoral disaster for the reds. The pictures of sick children lying on the floor are horrid and are going to be splashed everywhere

I wonder if they will also state the fact that they didn't even have to be moved. Looks like someone tried to pull a pro-government PR stunt and pulled it off quite well.

Forget it, please! This is professional doctors and nurses. All over the world they put the safety of the patients above all. I know this is a hard one for a red shirt to accept. But I think I see your hardline support for the movement is soften, so please try to see what is happening and not what you hope is happening.

[MisterBeetle]

This could very well prove to be an electoral disaster for the reds. The pictures of sick children lying on the floor are horrid and are going to be splashed everywhere

I wonder if they will also state the fact that they didn't even have to be moved. Looks like someone tried to pull a pro-government PR stunt and pulled it off quite well.

It was probably the fake reds who forcibly broke in to begin with too!

Nobody is denying that the red shirts entered the hospital. But they didn't harm any patients. If they wanted to harm patients, they could harm them at the new location too, so the move was pointless and effectively a PR stunt. I'm sorry.

What kind of "harm" are you referring to? Emotional stress could be considered as harm by alot of people!!

Don't forget there are patients staying here with many serious health conditions. Having 200 odd red shirt Thugs running around searching for a non-existent enemy?

Don't you think they have enough stress involved with recovering in Hospital?

There were quite a few reasons that the patients were moved if you investigate a bit deeper. One BIG reason being the fact that the hospital has been bombarded with noise for quite some time.

If I was a patient staying at the Hospital , I don't think I would want to be staying right next to a redshirt Hill billy camp either.

[Meridian007]

Nobody is denying that the red shirts entered the hospital. But they didn't harm any patients. If they wanted to harm patients, they could harm them at the new location too, so the move was pointless and effectively a PR stunt. I'm sorry.

And a disgusting PR stunt at that, its a disgrace that the hospital admin or owners wanted these movements done. Where they paid by the PAD or Team Yellow to move the patients and pose for the media for photo's ?

Shame on them for moving patients "just for the camera's" in all reality it seems.

You've evidently never been in a hospital then. If you look at the pictures of these people on Pantip, the last thing they need is a bunch of blood-crazed reds harassing and threatening them through the hospital while looking troops. They need peace and quiet, exactly the opposite of what they are getting there. It's ludicrous, you don't invade a hospital! No amount of your spin can change this!

[hammered]

And a disgusting PR stunt at that, its a disgrace that the hospital admin or owners wanted these movements done. Where they paid by the PAD or Team Yellow to move the patients and pose for the media for photo's ?

Shame on them for moving patients "just for the camera's" in all reality it seems.

The hospital administrators actually asked the patients and moved those who said they wanted to be moved. There is no positve spin on the red action and it seems Payap may be blaming Jatuporn for ordering it

[dobadoy]

PAD guards were armed with guns.

Photo's appeared in the media of PAD guards with guns shooting at taxi drivers on the way to Don Muang.

PAD guards killed a man at Don Muang airport (they accused him of being an undercover policeman is the rumour).

PAD shooting at police & army = perfectly acceptable (leaders are still on the streets)

UDD shooting at police & army = baaaaaaaad (leaders are to be arrested)

PAD broke into government offices and caused damage.

PAD prevented parliament from opening by blockading the building and stopping MP's from doing their work.

...and they basically lived in government house for 8 months.

PAD guards recently arrested in pick up with loads of weapons and grenades.

They are violent and armed.

Yeah, but they're pro-government. So they can do all that.

Levelhead!! Where'v you been buddy, I've missed my favourite delusionist, or have you been doing a bit of moonlighting under your new moniker 'deadsneakysnoopy'.

Any chance you can check the IPs, mods? Isn't that against forum rules?

Edited April 30, 2010 by dobadoy

[hammered]

Hammered ---

That still leaves Veera to be considered. It looks like the folks running the reds made sure that EVERY red leader took a bite of the poison apple. Veera openly called for violence against the state like Jatuporn and Weng (looks like they made Veera do that when he came out of the government negotiations looking good!).

Chavalit is likely done ... same with another few PTP MP's.

The only ones coming out looking (relaitively) good are Banharn, Newin, and Abhisit (and yes I think that if they slam the lid on the red leadership and Thaksin then Abhisit comes out smelling like a rose!)

This ends up with the "right guy" getting tapped to lead the military, the PTP biting it badly in the next elections and the Newin and Banharn factions being the controlling factor in a new Democrat lead government. The "generals" end up with enough dirt on Banharn Newin and the Dems to feel safe and strong but not enough to be totally secure.

That leaves what happens when everything changes in Thailand.

Prem has been rumored to be at 1st Reg ... other rumors are circulating about Prem having been hurt recently. They are so vague (the rumors) that who can trust them at all?

Watch Newin

[DP25]

It's ludicrous, you don't invade a hospital! No amount of your spin can change this!

I honestly don't think even the people defending them really believe it. Most are probably just trolls getting a laugh at everyone at all the commotion they are causing

[TheOldWolf]

No chance LH and Snoopy are the same. Snoopy only 20% LH. For LH there is no hope. for snoopy there is still little hope

[dobadoy]

Hammered ---

That still leaves Veera to be considered. It looks like the folks running the reds made sure that EVERY red leader took a bite of the poison apple. Veera openly called for violence against the state like Jatuporn and Weng (looks like they made Veera do that when he came out of the government negotiations looking good!).

Chavalit is likely done ... same with another few PTP MP's.

The only ones coming out looking (relaitively) good are Banharn, Newin, and Abhisit (and yes I think that if they slam the lid on the red leadership and Thaksin then Abhisit comes out smelling like a rose!)

This ends up with the "right guy" getting tapped to lead the military, the PTP biting it badly in the next elections and the Newin and Banharn factions being the controlling factor in a new Democrat lead government. The "generals" end up with enough dirt on Banharn Newin and the Dems to feel safe and strong but not enough to be totally secure.

That leaves what happens when everything changes in Thailand.

Prem has been rumored to be at 1st Reg ... other rumors are circulating about Prem having been hurt recently. They are so vague (the rumors) that who can trust them at all?

Watch Newin

My money's on Newin for the next PM to be sure, there just being the small matter of 5-year ban to get round. When's it up? Before December 2011...ahhh...

Edited April 30, 2010 by dobadoy