whybother Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Huh?Pornsasi admits that Abhisit is the PM by all legal definitions. Pornsasi ignores that in the 2007 elections that smaller parties promised their electorates that they wouldn't make a coalition government with PPP. The Dems didn't cry when this happened because that is between the people that voted for the small parties and the parties themselves. Pornsasi ignores that the burden to call a NEW election falls not on the Dems but on PPP even 1 day before they were disbanded (there is no delay on dissolving parliament). Newin's electorate will vote his people str8 back into office. I doubt even pornsasi can argue with that. Therefore there isn't an issue with HIS electorate that he decided NOT to go back to a Thaksin party when it was dissolved. Why should PPP had asked for new general election , they had gone thru one already , they formed a coalition , did they not ? Did Abhisit go through a general election also ? NO He went through the same general election as the PPP. He just formed his coalition later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOldWolf Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Jesus, if a PM has mandate ought to be fact-based, not based on feeling or emotions...sadly several red posters disagree, hence the argument here. I am not red , yellow green or blue . I just explain to you the principle of democracy in countries that have been practising it for hundreds of years . I repeat one more time , if in UK , labour was in power as a result of a coalition with the liberals , and all the sudden the liberals switched to the torries , resulting in a torry replacing the labour PM , that torry PM would immediately ask for general election , or risk endless protest in the street , with the result that in the end he would have too call election anyway and loose them If THailand wants to copy the british system , it should copy it properly . We have read your personal opinion several times now. From that I understand that you like to have some changes made to the constituion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Lest we forget the mess that the country that brought us the word is having it's own little tantrum right now.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...ainst-cuts.html Greek crisis: clashes turn deadly as thousands protest against cuts Indeed. Partly the issue is also a typical European issue when the government gets involved in too much parts of the populations life and money and hence when the wallet becomes empty and the belt needs to be tightened the population suddenly starts to feel how their overspending of government founds has in effect and they get upset, since logic is never held in high regards... if the government wasn't the one supplying the retirement founds (a scam in itself) the senior citizen couldn't lose their money due to sudden budget issues of the state... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pornsasi Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 But that presumes that the leaders of the respective parties have some kind of ethics and principles, that I think we would all agree is distinctly lacking in Thai politics.What we see in Thailand today is a bastardised version of any version of some of the possibly more principled western democracies, and the system is going through it's baby burps and soiled nappies to arrive at the correct result. Let us not forget that horse trading is still well alive and kicking in the more developed democracies elsewhere in the world. And those democracies don't have to worry that their armed forces get a spite of colic and spit the dummy periodically also. I agree to that . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Huh?Pornsasi admits that Abhisit is the PM by all legal definitions. Pornsasi ignores that in the 2007 elections that smaller parties promised their electorates that they wouldn't make a coalition government with PPP. The Dems didn't cry when this happened because that is between the people that voted for the small parties and the parties themselves. Pornsasi ignores that the burden to call a NEW election falls not on the Dems but on PPP even 1 day before they were disbanded (there is no delay on dissolving parliament). Newin's electorate will vote his people str8 back into office. I doubt even pornsasi can argue with that. Therefore there isn't an issue with HIS electorate that he decided NOT to go back to a Thaksin party when it was dissolved. Why should PPP had asked for new general election , they had gone thru one already , they formed a coalition , did they not ? Did Abhisit go through a general election also ? NO Huh? Of course Abhisit went through a general election! He was elected as an MP -- just like Samak and Somchai. He formed a coalition just like Samak and Somchai did. Why would the PPP call an election? They knew they were being disbanded and knew it was for electoral fraud. They knew that their MP's were free to join ANY political party they wanted to. Morally after your party execs are found guilty of electoral fraud don't you think it calls for a NEW mandate? for some reason the Monte Python "spam" song just popped into my mind but I heard it saying Red Red Red Red Eggs and Red ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Huh?Pornsasi admits that Abhisit is the PM by all legal definitions. Pornsasi ignores that in the 2007 elections that smaller parties promised their electorates that they wouldn't make a coalition government with PPP. The Dems didn't cry when this happened because that is between the people that voted for the small parties and the parties themselves. Pornsasi ignores that the burden to call a NEW election falls not on the Dems but on PPP even 1 day before they were disbanded (there is no delay on dissolving parliament). Newin's electorate will vote his people str8 back into office. I doubt even pornsasi can argue with that. Therefore there isn't an issue with HIS electorate that he decided NOT to go back to a Thaksin party when it was dissolved. Why should PPP had asked for new general election , they had gone thru one already , they formed a coalition , did they not ? Did Abhisit go through a general election also ? NO He went through the same general election as the PPP. He just formed his coalition later. Absolutely --- how could anyone NOT know that Abhisit was elected as an MP (like Samak and Somchai) --- and later Abhisit was elected PM in the same way as those 2 too ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gl9999 Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Absolutely --- how could anyone NOT know that Abhisit was elected as an MP (like Samak and Somchai) --- and later Abhisit was elected PM in the same way as those 2 too ... Red shirts don't know a lot of things. Red shirts also pretend to not know a lot of things... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiangMaiFun Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Absolutely --- how could anyone NOT know that Abhisit was elected as an MP (like Samak and Somchai) --- and later Abhisit was elected PM in the same way as those 2 too ... Red shirts don't know a lot of things. Red shirts also pretend to not know a lot of things... Yellow shirts don't know a lot of things. Yellow shirts also pretend to REPRESENT a lot of things - especially RICH and MATERIALIST things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gl9999 Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Yellow shirts don't know a lot of things. Yellow shirts also pretend to REPRESENT a lot of things - especially RICH and MATERIALIST things At least the yellow shirts are honest about it. Reds want the same thing but they chant 'democracy' like a mantra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pornsasi Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Absolutely --- how could anyone NOT know that Abhisit was elected as an MP (like Samak and Somchai) --- and later Abhisit was elected PM in the same way as those 2 too ... Red shirts don't know a lot of things. Red shirts also pretend to not know a lot of things... Explaining to you how real democracy works does not make me a red shirt , or any color shirt for that matter . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gl9999 Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Absolutely --- how could anyone NOT know that Abhisit was elected as an MP (like Samak and Somchai) --- and later Abhisit was elected PM in the same way as those 2 too ... Red shirts don't know a lot of things. Red shirts also pretend to not know a lot of things... Explaining to you how real democracy works does not make me a red shirt , or any color shirt for that matter . Anyone can chant democracy, anyone can even know what it actually means, what it stands for. Doesn't mean they actually believe in it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiangMaiFun Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Yellow shirts don't know a lot of things. Yellow shirts also pretend to REPRESENT a lot of things - especially RICH and MATERIALIST things At least the yellow shirts are honest about it. Reds want the same thing but they chant 'democracy' like a mantra. Honest? let them chant 'we love money', 'we love power', 'we exploit the masses' - then i will grant you they are 'honest'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pornsasi Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Anyone can chant democracy, anyone can even know what it actually means, what it stands for. Doesn't mean they actually believe in it though. Well i dont believe in tanks .... Do you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Absolutely --- how could anyone NOT know that Abhisit was elected as an MP (like Samak and Somchai) --- and later Abhisit was elected PM in the same way as those 2 too ... Red shirts don't know a lot of things. Red shirts also pretend to not know a lot of things... Yellow shirts don't know a lot of things. Yellow shirts also pretend to REPRESENT a lot of things - especially RICH and MATERIALIST things While its true that Thaksin =PTP=UDD=Red Shirts=Black Shirts it is not true in the great majority of cases that an Abhisit supporter is what you call a "Yellow". These are PAD supporters (of which I've noted very few here at TV) who have their own political party, the New Politics Party. The NPP will be the chief adversary that Abhisit will face to get his social welfare agenda passed. The Red Shirt rank and file are the chief beneficiary of that social welfare agenda and the so called "elites" are the ones that will be paying for it. At least paying more than they ever have. The middle class will probably end up paying quite a bit as well. It might make you feel better that you believe you're "sticking it to the elites", but you've got the whole lineup ass backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gl9999 Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Yellow shirts don't know a lot of things. Yellow shirts also pretend to REPRESENT a lot of things - especially RICH and MATERIALIST things At least the yellow shirts are honest about it. Reds want the same thing but they chant 'democracy' like a mantra. Honest? let them chant 'we love money', 'we love power', 'we exploit the masses' - then i will grant you they are 'honest'. Hahahahahaha Reds don't chant it. They just do it. Let's face it. Both Yellow and Reds want money and power. The difference is, the Reds are using the 'democracy' mantra to try to fool everyone. Once again, this protest wasn't about social injustice, it wasn't about poor people wanting a better life. It was about a few elite dogs and their master exploiting the unthinking and unwashed to help them get back into power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pornsasi Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 We have read your personal opinion several times now. From that I understand that you like to have some changes made to the constituion. Well i read so many non-sense here about democracy . Its like talking to children you know , one has got to repeat several times . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gl9999 Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Anyone can chant democracy, anyone can even know what it actually means, what it stands for. Doesn't mean they actually believe in it though. Well i dont believe in tanks .... Do you ? Not really. But tanks are useful as a last resort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Absolutely --- how could anyone NOT know that Abhisit was elected as an MP (like Samak and Somchai) --- and later Abhisit was elected PM in the same way as those 2 too ... Red shirts don't know a lot of things. Red shirts also pretend to not know a lot of things... Explaining to you how real democracy works does not make me a red shirt , or any color shirt for that matter . You're not explaining how a real democracy works. All you are doing is saying that you think that Abhisit *should* have called elections. He doesn't *need* a mandate to run the country (whether he has one or not). IMO, a mandate is usually needed to make major changes. That is, campaign saying you are going to make major changes. If you get a majority support, that means most people want you to make the changes. In Aus, they don't consider that you have a "mandate" unless you get a large majority (seeing as there is only 2 basic parties, just getting over the line doesn't really give you a mandate.) Abhisit has the support of a majority of MPs who the people of Thailand voted for (and they all have voted). That is all he needs to run the country. The reds are sore losers because their party doesn't have the support of the majority of MPs ... ie they don't have the support of the majority of the people of Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pornsasi Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 These are PAD supporters (of which I've noted very few here at TV) who have their own political party, the New Politics Party. The NPP will be the chief adversary that Abhisit will face to get his social welfare agenda passed. The Red Shirt rank and file are the chief beneficiary of that social welfare agenda and the so called "elites" are the ones that will be paying for it. At least paying more than they ever have. The middle class will probably end up paying quite a bit as well. It might make you feel better that you believe you're "sticking it to the elites", but you've got the whole lineup ass backwards. for the bold part (sorry i could not resist) . Yes since Abhisit is the PM now anyway ,and he deserves a chance to proove his sincerity . No question bout that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Absolutely --- how could anyone NOT know that Abhisit was elected as an MP (like Samak and Somchai) --- and later Abhisit was elected PM in the same way as those 2 too ... Red shirts don't know a lot of things. Red shirts also pretend to not know a lot of things... Yellow shirts don't know a lot of things. Yellow shirts also pretend to REPRESENT a lot of things - especially RICH and MATERIALIST things While its true that Thaksin =PTP=UDD=Red Shirts=Black Shirts it is not true in the great majority of cases that an Abhisit supporter is what you call a "Yellow". These are PAD supporters (of which I've noted very few here at TV) who have their own political party, the New Politics Party. The NPP will be the chief adversary that Abhisit will face to get his social welfare agenda passed. The Red Shirt rank and file are the chief beneficiary of that social welfare agenda and the so called "elites" are the ones that will be paying for it. At least paying more than they ever have. The middle class will probably end up paying quite a bit as well. It might make you feel better that you believe you're "sticking it to the elites", but you've got the whole lineup ass backwards. LOL ... someone believes the backers of the Red mob's illegal rally (Thaksin isn't the ONLY one) aren't RICH and MATERIALISTIC or that the people of isaan as a rule vote much differently than they are told to for the most part (by RICH and MATERIALISTIC people) etc etc etc ...... Thaksin loses billions and billions of Baht --- the Reds start a new illegal protest. Bad timing huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 These are PAD supporters (of which I've noted very few here at TV) who have their own political party, the New Politics Party. The NPP will be the chief adversary that Abhisit will face to get his social welfare agenda passed. The Red Shirt rank and file are the chief beneficiary of that social welfare agenda and the so called "elites" are the ones that will be paying for it. At least paying more than they ever have. The middle class will probably end up paying quite a bit as well. It might make you feel better that you believe you're "sticking it to the elites", but you've got the whole lineup ass backwards. for the bold part (sorry i could not resist) . Yes since Abhisit is the PM now anyway ,and he deserves a chance to proove his sincerity . No question bout that I think people get confused because they can't seem to grasp that one can wish Abhisit to succeed and also be against the PAD agenda, like me. For those kind of people that's why color schemes are used. Most people can figure it out without a color chart however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pornsasi Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Not really.But tanks are useful as a last resort. In times of war they are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 These are PAD supporters (of which I've noted very few here at TV) who have their own political party, the New Politics Party. The NPP will be the chief adversary that Abhisit will face to get his social welfare agenda passed. The Red Shirt rank and file are the chief beneficiary of that social welfare agenda and the so called "elites" are the ones that will be paying for it. At least paying more than they ever have. The middle class will probably end up paying quite a bit as well. It might make you feel better that you believe you're "sticking it to the elites", but you've got the whole lineup ass backwards. for the bold part (sorry i could not resist) . Yes since Abhisit is the PM now anyway ,and he deserves a chance to proove his sincerity . No question bout that So you are a Thaksin supporter then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 These are PAD supporters (of which I've noted very few here at TV) who have their own political party, the New Politics Party. The NPP will be the chief adversary that Abhisit will face to get his social welfare agenda passed. The Red Shirt rank and file are the chief beneficiary of that social welfare agenda and the so called "elites" are the ones that will be paying for it. At least paying more than they ever have. The middle class will probably end up paying quite a bit as well. It might make you feel better that you believe you're "sticking it to the elites", but you've got the whole lineup ass backwards. for the bold part (sorry i could not resist) . Yes since Abhisit is the PM now anyway ,and he deserves a chance to proove his sincerity . No question bout that Clever snipping of the quote --- against the rules but clever since you left out a lot of context ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gl9999 Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Not really.But tanks are useful as a last resort. In times of war they are Among other things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pornsasi Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 These are PAD supporters (of which I've noted very few here at TV) who have their own political party, the New Politics Party. The NPP will be the chief adversary that Abhisit will face to get his social welfare agenda passed. The Red Shirt rank and file are the chief beneficiary of that social welfare agenda and the so called "elites" are the ones that will be paying for it. At least paying more than they ever have. The middle class will probably end up paying quite a bit as well. It might make you feel better that you believe you're "sticking it to the elites", but you've got the whole lineup ass backwards. for the bold part (sorry i could not resist) . Yes since Abhisit is the PM now anyway ,and he deserves a chance to proove his sincerity . No question bout that I think people get confused because they can't seem to grasp that one can wish Abhisit to succeed and also be against the PAD agenda, like me. For those kind of people that's why color schemes are used. Most people can figure it out without a color chart however. Understand . I wish him to succeed as well . Is just that the party he represents is not particularly famous for helping the poor . But who knows , only idiots never change after all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiangMaiFun Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Absolutely --- how could anyone NOT know that Abhisit was elected as an MP (like Samak and Somchai) --- and later Abhisit was elected PM in the same way as those 2 too ... Red shirts don't know a lot of things. Red shirts also pretend to not know a lot of things... Yellow shirts don't know a lot of things. Yellow shirts also pretend to REPRESENT a lot of things - especially RICH and MATERIALIST things While its true that Thaksin =PTP=UDD=Red Shirts=Black Shirts it is not true in the great majority of cases that an Abhisit supporter is what you call a "Yellow". These are PAD supporters (of which I've noted very few here at TV) who have their own political party, the New Politics Party. The NPP will be the chief adversary that Abhisit will face to get his social welfare agenda passed. The Red Shirt rank and file are the chief beneficiary of that social welfare agenda and the so called "elites" are the ones that will be paying for it. At least paying more than they ever have. The middle class will probably end up paying quite a bit as well. It might make you feel better that you believe you're "sticking it to the elites", but you've got the whole lineup ass backwards. Then don't give the foreign ministry to a yellow who was on the airport stage - and don't give your deputy the job because he's a banned MP! get REAL - not only DO but SHOW you do - and what about the 'massage palour' owner who was info minister? what a pile of **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Not really.But tanks are useful as a last resort. In times of war they are Didn't the Reds announce that they declared war? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pornsasi Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 These are PAD supporters (of which I've noted very few here at TV) who have their own political party, the New Politics Party. The NPP will be the chief adversary that Abhisit will face to get his social welfare agenda passed. The Red Shirt rank and file are the chief beneficiary of that social welfare agenda and the so called "elites" are the ones that will be paying for it. At least paying more than they ever have. The middle class will probably end up paying quite a bit as well. It might make you feel better that you believe you're "sticking it to the elites", but you've got the whole lineup ass backwards. for the bold part (sorry i could not resist) . Yes since Abhisit is the PM now anyway ,and he deserves a chance to proove his sincerity . No question bout that So you are a Thaksin supporter then? About as much as you are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 These are PAD supporters (of which I've noted very few here at TV) who have their own political party, the New Politics Party. The NPP will be the chief adversary that Abhisit will face to get his social welfare agenda passed. The Red Shirt rank and file are the chief beneficiary of that social welfare agenda and the so called "elites" are the ones that will be paying for it. At least paying more than they ever have. The middle class will probably end up paying quite a bit as well. It might make you feel better that you believe you're "sticking it to the elites", but you've got the whole lineup ass backwards. for the bold part (sorry i could not resist) . Yes since Abhisit is the PM now anyway ,and he deserves a chance to proove his sincerity . No question bout that So you are a Thaksin supporter then? About as much as you are But if you support the reds, then you must be a Thaksin supporter. That seems to be the logic that most reds use in calling anyone that isn't a red supporter, a yellow supporter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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