More Bloodshed In Bangkok As Red Siege Continues

[humfurry]

i think redparrot is deadsnoopy re-incarnated........

In his next incarnation he will be Dead Red

[timekeeper]

Kwanchai: Says soldiers should be wearing skirts. Ridicules claim of self-defence.

Troops have war weapons.

We are the ones using self-defense.

You've closed us off, people try to go out and you shoot them

what is wrong with these reds?

first they say they will stay there until they die

now they want to get out

please make your mind up!

[dukkha]

It's strange how the international media always seem to leave out the 'Thaksin link' when they report on this. It's such an important piece in the puzzle that to me it even feels suspicious that they don't mention this, almost like he's greased a few palms in the west (oh it does happen!). Instead they talk about the 'rural poor' versus the 'elite', and associate the word democracy with the very people who ruin the very idea by happily selling their vote fot the price of a couple of beers!

I think that the bbc/cnn and the rest of these 'non-biased' organisations should get to the real truth which is far more interesting than the story which they're currently reporting.

Why don't they ask the red shirts how much they're getting paid? Ask them why they think Thaksin is so great and what he could do for the country should he return. Ask them how they think that Thaksin, as a convicted criminal, could possibly plan to be taken seriously by the international community, should he manage to bully his way back into office.

Ask them why they are using women and children as a human shield.

Ask them why they risk their lives for a greedy evil billionaire?

Why can't the press get an interview with Thaksin? A few well placed questions will simply destroy him.

Why don't the international media do their job rather than appearing to be the heroes in the danger zone, reporting alongside the red-shirt 'freedom fighters'?

My point? It appears that Thaksin has more than just a few red-shirts in his back pocket!!!

Sensible and intelligent questions that are not being asked....the International reports that I have read almost mention Toxin as a post script in this blood bath that is unfolding in Bangkok, and before long, the entire Nation....Sure unequal distribution of wealth, privilege, elitism, cronyism........no voices coming from the most revered institution, noticably deafening silence compared with the other noises of barbarism in the streets....

[SICA]

"Stop shooting, retreat and we can then negotiate," Natthawut said. Asked by a journalist why he was not ordering the red shirts to stop attacking first, he angrily retorted: "The killers must stop. You cannot possibly expect those being hunted to stop killing. It's as if the red shirts have been abandoned alone in the world."

Derrr, do you think that might be because the redshirts are in the minority and because of the actions they have taken???

The reality is the Red Shirts have the backing of the rural population.

Probably 80% of Thai's support the revolution.

That's a fact!

Dream on

In the northeast province of Udon Thani, about 600 protesters gathered at a community radio station to watch a telecast from Rajprasong, while there were about 100 protesters in the northern province of Lampang.

that is your support - remove the 0 which leaves 8% and this would be optimistic

Agreed. I work a lot in Surin. The majority of the people i talk too ( a rough guess; 75% - 3 out of 4 for those who need help) are either opposed to the Red's protests or couldn't care less as they feel nothing will change whatever the outcome).

For people to quote FACTS without corroborating evidence is such a waste of time!

[hammered]

Abhisit seems confident in his appearances

[kissdani]

Violence continues, ambulance cars coming down Yenakard road (Sathorn road is still blocked i guess)

[h90]

"Stop shooting, retreat and we can then negotiate," Natthawut said. Asked by a journalist why he was not ordering the red shirts to stop attacking first, he angrily retorted: "The killers must stop. You cannot possibly expect those being hunted to stop killing. It's as if the red shirts have been abandoned alone in the world."

Derrr, do you think that might be because the redshirts are in the minority and because of the actions they have taken???

The reality is the Red Shirts have the backing of the rural population.

Probably 80% of Thai's support the revolution.

That's a fact!

Just I can't see the 50.000.000 or so coming to Bangkok or at least taking over the regional government places.....Why I can't see that uprising now?

I think it is more that 80 % aren't much interested in politics at all and the 20 % are split in reds, yellow, democrats, thaksin fans, communists, fascists etc etc

And even that might be an overestimation.

[BKjohn]

Kwanchai: Says soldiers should be wearing skirts. Ridicules claim of self-defence.

Troops have war weapons.

We are the ones using self-defense.

You've closed us off, people try to go out and you shoot them

what is wrong with these reds?

first they say they will stay there until they die

now they want to get out

please make your mind up!

The little revolutionary's handbook page 10 rule 6 : whatever happens, always blame the opposition no matter how stupid it may sound

[Spiny]

I just got this SMS from a Thai friend. "Tomorrow please don't go to any department stores around suburban (areas) such as Pinklaw, Rama 3, Bangkean, Ngamwongwan or Rama 2. Inside News said terrorists will shoot M79's into any public place located outside the Red zone to cause commotion."

There was no link in the SMS, but I thought I'd pass it along. My wife also got the same SMS from a different source.

Cheers, Hummy

I got the same SMS on Friday night, no incidents of this nature yesterday

reds creating unnecessary panic?

[h90]

Abhisit seems confident in his appearances

Well I would not count on that. He is super professional. He would also look confident if he is not.

Today in the morning I heard half of his speech (I was too late), is he always speaking sooooo fast?

[daboyz1]

"Stop shooting, retreat and we can then negotiate," Natthawut said. Asked by a journalist why he was not ordering the red shirts to stop attacking first, he angrily retorted: "The killers must stop. You cannot possibly expect those being hunted to stop killing. It's as if the red shirts have been abandoned alone in the world."

Derrr, do you think that might be because the redshirts are in the minority and because of the actions they have taken???

The reality is the Red Shirts have the backing of the rural population.

Probably 80% of Thai's support the revolution.

That's a fact!

Then why did they only get 36% of the vote last time around? Look here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_general_election,_2007

That's about 14% less than a majority, and about 44% less than you're claiming. I'm sure out of the 36% Mr. T bought half of those.

Please do some research before you speak.

Notice how the muppet emphasizes "this is a fact"

Can't teach stupid. These red's are like the Hitler youth. I would laugh, but people are dying for one man's fortune.

[rabo]

Do you believe this kind of polls?You must be naive.What happen now in Bangkok is just the beginning what will happen in the next years.The north and north east of Thailand will never give up.

My family comes from Buri-Ram. B. I. G. family. I have watched the change in there views over the last few years and last few weeks. "Red shirt" has become a literal dirty word. Two weeks ago they spent their time watching soaps and videos to forget the problems. Now they are glued to the news and they want Abhisit to clean up this mess.

Surprise! I'm not naive, you are.

The problem is, it won't be the majority that will be rising up.

Just as is happening in Bangkok, small groups of red thugs will cause chaos around the country.

This I believe and the problems in the coming days and weeks are going to get worse before they get better.

[ETatBKK]

I thought the reds wanted a truce. They are just back to their old demands. They don't understand compromise do they.

Update: Weng repeats the 3 red demands today, 1. Ceasefire and withdraw 2. Immediate Dissolution 3. End of SOE /via @terryfrd

Thaksin demands, Jataporn demands, Reds demand, Phua Thai demands

demand, demand, demand, or what?

what about us?

maybe we should demand they obey the law and go home

or would that be just more wasted rhetoric for the benefit of the red biased western media.........?

'someone broke into my house with weapon, robs everything and demands for my bank book; police arrives and he keeps my family on hostage, and demands the police chief resigns; the mediator arrives then he demands the police department dissolution, and demands the court to call off the warrant'

is this something very illogical !?

[rametindallas]

Voranai has an interesting artcicle in the unmentionable news source. The fence sitters seem to be bouncing off

Yes, it is very good

[whiterussian]

savage. Abhisit is now a world class dictator. Congratulations!

[timekeeper]

Google are sponsering these terrorists with google ads on their website, we can stop them from using this forum, just report this link to google and spread the word to the media that goolge supports these thugs, they will be stopped and fall into worldwide isolation.

http://www.saedang.freeforums.org

One can also go to http://www.freeforums.org/contact.php and write a complaint. Their legal section clearly states that their forums are not to be used for these type of things. While I support the freedom of speech, I do not support terroristic activities which this site is spewing.

i have done both, i urge others to do the same.

[daboyz1]

Isn't it time to plant rice? Who's going to deal with that when the farmers are tearing up Bangkok? I'm not trying to put them down, but it is their livelihood. Will Mr. T compensate them? I doubt it.

[timekeeper]

savage. Abhisit is now a world class dictator. Congratulations!

where is he in the picture then?

i must have missed him brandishing an M16......

[Deez]

It's strange how the international media always seem to leave out the 'Thaksin link' when they report on this. It's such an important piece in the puzzle that to me it even feels suspicious that they don't mention this, almost like he's greased a few palms in the west (oh it does happen!). Instead they talk about the 'rural poor' versus the 'elite', and associate the word democracy with the very people who ruin the very idea by happily selling their vote fot the price of a couple of beers!

I think that the bbc/cnn and the rest of these 'non-biased' organisations should get to the real truth which is far more interesting than the story which they're currently reporting.

Why don't they ask the red shirts how much they're getting paid? Ask them why they think Thaksin is so great and what he could do for the country should he return. Ask them how they think that Thaksin, as a convicted criminal, could possibly plan to be taken seriously by the international community, should he manage to bully his way back into office.

Ask them why they are using women and children as a human shield.

Ask them why they risk their lives for a greedy evil billionaire?

Why can't the press get an interview with Thaksin? A few well placed questions will simply destroy him.

Why don't the international media do their job rather than appearing to be the heroes in the danger zone, reporting alongside the red-shirt 'freedom fighters'?

My point? It appears that Thaksin has more than just a few red-shirts in his back pocket!!!

The BBC is World renowned as being unbiased as they are not politically controlled and not owned by profit seeking investors, its where reporters can report without hindrance from upstairs, Does not make them right but makes them unbiased CNN probably the same, slightly different from THE NATION

Agreed and well stated

[jcbangkok]

The soldiers seemed constantly caught off-balance by agitators showing a grasp of insurgency that may well derive from their time as army conscripts. They shot M-79 grenades, which can kill within five yards. They aimed slingshots with deadly accuracy. They let off makeshift cannons. Some blazed away with pistols.

A Buddhist monk was seen to launch a glowing fire-lantern, normally used in religious rites, into the sky to ward off helicopters. Others fired home-made rockets at the choppers.

The wildness was fuelled by more than fury. Crates of Red Bull, the energy drink, were by a barricade where edgy soldiers fingered their assault rifles. A mixture of cheap whiskey and amphetamines was said to be keeping many of their enemies on their toes.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/worl...icle7127773.ece

[kissdani]

This indeed shows people being indescrimately shot, which is unacceptable. However, what it does not show is who is doing the shooting. The only videos or photos that I have seen which clearly show who has shot/attacked who are ones that show redshirt guards with guns, grenade launchers and involved in lynchings.

Shooting an unarmed reporter whilst he is down could only result in terrible PR for the government, so why would they do it? A redshirt sniper shooting a reporter when he was down would result in terrible PR for the government, his motives for this would be obvious.

This government isn't much concerned about their image anymore.

CNN video of Thai army snipers

[chrislarsson]

For those of you that have Facebook... Someone uploading a video...

People taking cover from what looks like sniper fire... Ide like to know what they are doing there and why they were getting shot at...

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=123968350962277

Anybody entering a 'war-zone' runs the risk of being pinned down by gunfire. What makes you think it is 'sniper fire'? The simple solution to this is don't enter a war-zone unless you have a dam_n good reason to do so!

being shot at?? BS then I would not relaxed look on my mobile like the guy in white is doing, and a sniper, then you wouldn't be able to video this because a sniper spots you and you'll be the target.

Here is the full story behind this video:

http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2...e-killing-zone/

PS. It's the same video as the one called gunfires.AVI from youtube.

Edited May 16, 2010 by chrislarsson

[whybother]

savage. Abhisit is now a world class dictator. Congratulations!

How does a group of violent thugs, hiding behind their barricades make Abhisit a dictator?

[whiterussian]

savage. Abhisit is now a world class dictator. Congratulations!

where is he in the picture then?

i must have missed him brandishing an M16......

good point.. where IS he?! Oh i forgot, the junta are now officially in control. phew! for a moment there I thought Thailand had abandoned democracy.

Violent thugs? - The thugs are most likely the next govt!! The minority rule of the junta must be contained.

Pretty boy must take a vacation. Resign now.

Edited May 16, 2010 by whiterussian

[BKjohn]

savage. Abhisit is now a world class dictator. Congratulations!

And what is this supposed to show?? some criminals hiding behind barricades that is all - how does that make Abhisit a dictator ??

Boy your are really scratching the bottom of the barrel to try and keep up red propaganda

[ETatBKK]

Kwanchai: Says soldiers should be wearing skirts. Ridicules claim of self-defence.

Troops have war weapons.

We are the ones using self-defense.

You've closed us off, people try to go out and you shoot them

what is wrong with these reds?

first they say they will stay there until they die

now they want to get out

please make your mind up!

there are some very efficient soldiers they wear colourful skirts, no kidding !

do reds what to fight with them ?

[Old Man River]

Kwanchai: Says soldiers should be wearing skirts. Ridicules claim of self-defence.

Troops have war weapons.

We are the ones using self-defense.

You've closed us off, people try to go out and you shoot them

what is wrong with these reds?

first they say they will stay there until they die

now they want to get out

please make your mind up!

there are some very efficient soldiers they wear colourful skirts, no kidding !

do reds what to fight with them ?

Kwanchai has a short memory. On Friday evening, after Seh Daeng was shot, Rambo started wearing a wig back stage to throw snipers off. Maybe these leaders are now in full drag, who knows.

[humfurry]

I just got this SMS from a Thai friend. "Tomorrow please don't go to any department stores around suburban (areas) such as Pinklaw, Rama 3, Bangkean, Ngamwongwan or Rama 2. Inside News said terrorists will shoot M79's into any public place located outside the Red zone to cause commotion."

There was no link in the SMS, but I thought I'd pass it along. My wife also got the same SMS from a different source.

Cheers, Hummy

I got the same SMS on Friday night, no incidents of this nature yesterday

reds creating unnecessary panic?

Spiny I don't know, But I was stuck in Siloam Fri afternoon and thought ... Have a few beers and relax. I couldn't get a cab home. It was nuts. Then I thought, I better get the hel_l outta here so I over paid a taxi to take me to Victory. Well I couldnt get a cab there... So I thought... I'll have a few pints here wait and see what happens. About halfway trough my first beer. all the vendors started closing shop... I thought this is not good... get outta here. I finally got a cab and was headed to Din Daeng when all hel_l broke loose! Gunshots ambulances... the cab got through.... but wow!

So I figure that any warning is a good warning in these times. Be very careful.

[timekeeper]

This indeed shows people being indescrimately shot, which is unacceptable. However, what it does not show is who is doing the shooting. The only videos or photos that I have seen which clearly show who has shot/attacked who are ones that show redshirt guards with guns, grenade launchers and involved in lynchings.

Shooting an unarmed reporter whilst he is down could only result in terrible PR for the government, so why would they do it? A redshirt sniper shooting a reporter when he was down would result in terrible PR for the government, his motives for this would be obvious.

This government isn't much concerned about their image anymore.

CNN video of Thai army snipers

its an old report, Dan Rivers famous ' the cow farting reporter' has had to don his bullet proof vest and helmet since then

as he should as the reds have guns too

taken from a video shot yesterday (pun intended)

[agord]

It's strange how the international media always seem to leave out the 'Thaksin link' when they report on this. It's such an important piece in the puzzle that to me it even feels suspicious that they don't mention this, almost like he's greased a few palms in the west (oh it does happen!). Instead they talk about the 'rural poor' versus the 'elite', and associate the word democracy with the very people who ruin the very idea by happily selling their vote fot the price of a couple of beers!

I think that the bbc/cnn and the rest of these 'non-biased' organisations should get to the real truth which is far more interesting than the story which they're currently reporting.

Why don't they ask the red shirts how much they're getting paid? Ask them why they think Thaksin is so great and what he could do for the country should he return. Ask them how they think that Thaksin, as a convicted criminal, could possibly plan to be taken seriously by the international community, should he manage to bully his way back into office.

Ask them why they are using women and children as a human shield.

Ask them why they risk their lives for a greedy evil billionaire?

Why can't the press get an interview with Thaksin? A few well placed questions will simply destroy him.

Why don't the international media do their job rather than appearing to be the heroes in the danger zone, reporting alongside the red-shirt 'freedom fighters'?

My point? It appears that Thaksin has more than just a few red-shirts in his back pocket!!!

Excellent post!

Couldn't agree more..

Couldn't agree less. If you think that the likes of the BBC are biased in this, then I suggest you consider the possibility that the bias is within yourself.

For a very long time now very few people on the red side has seemed particularly interested in Thaksin. (With a couple exceptions). They know they're on their own now.

Secondly, to think that protesters risking life and limb to bring wounded people to safety under live fire are doing this for 550 baht a day is quite sick. Clearly they believe in a cause, rightly or wrongly.

International news media realize this. Local "mainsteam" (LOL) news media just want to paint one side black. (==bias)

But do you agree that Thaksin should give an interview and answer these questions or not? How would you answer the questions as a red supporter?Very few people on the red side interested in Thaksin? surely you are joking.