Thai Government Accuses Reds Over Huge Weapons Cache

[Skywalker69]

Unarmed Reds, Amnesty International decrying the treatment of the poor innocents - BS, pure BS. Armed militants who should be treated as enemy combatants, if shown to have participated in a violent way.

Amnesty International are a total disgrace.

Trashing their reputation.

The last two years (and we are not just talking about Thailand here) have been an embarrassment.

100% Agree.

[whybother]

The True reds Started off By peaceful means, Then I think the hard line took the opportunity to cause mayhem, And some people just jumped on the Bandwagon because they like anarchy, I think the Thai government showed great restraint, There was never going to be any Winners.

No they didn't start off peacefully, there were threats of arson and murder before they began. Can't believe you still haven't seen this video.

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youtube provided from above.

Edited May 23, 2010 by whybother

[GM1955]

I never bothered to read the whole thread, just the title.

Seems to me that the Government troops had much better weapons than the Red Shirts.

I never saw one Red Shirt Tank or APC, I never saw one armed to the teeth Red Shirt Division advancing on Government troops firing live ammunition, I never saw One Red Shirt Sniper picking off Thai Soldiers, I never saw one Red Shirt Water Cannon, I never saw One child of a Soldier killed. I never saw one wife of a Soldier Killed, I only saw what the Thai government wanted me to see, and thats what most of you guys saw as well............

The UDD broadcast PTV was available till begin of May. Lots of info on the internet. Tweets, twits and facebook. Unreadable Thai blogs, etc. Had you asked we would have pointed them out to you.

Maybe GM1955 thinks the Army should have supplied equal weapons and trained the red forces so it would be a 'fair' fight. I think that would be stupid for any group in power.

Not at all.

I just find it odd so many weapons are found, why didn't they use them on the final day, they were being shot at with live rounds, I just wonder why there were no heavy Army losses if the Reds were so well armed, if I had an AK47 I wouldn't be using a slingshot or a stick.

Seems so convenient for the government to lay all these weapons out for show, seems so odd that there were so many protesters killed when they were so heavily armed.

Edited May 23, 2010 by GM1955

[Skywalker69]

I find it convenient that all these weapons of mass destruction were found.

Has anyone wondered why they were not used?

Smells a bit fishy.

Dont be so stupid !!!!! who said the guns were not used? God give me strength against idiots like you.

Red Trolls!

[Ulysses G.]

I find it convenient that all these weapons of mass destruction were found.

Has anyone wondered why they were not used?

Smells a bit fishy.

Exactly, especially when I saw a posting on a blog from a Thai who was privy to a Government meeting days before when it was decided to plant the stuff and set it all up. Anyway, if they really had these weapons, why didn't the radicals take them with them? LMFAO at the stupidity of the argument for this evidence.

Propaganda - oldest trick in the book and these wackos are using it all the time. Don't believe any official stories in this country, whoever is in control!

Have a look at post #71.

This being Thailand the blogger you mention probably heard it from the daughter of the sister of the cleaning lady who was present.

It is much more likely that he made it up.

[Siam Simon]

Funny, the degree of sympathy posters here have for the Red Shirts appears to be reverse proportional to the number of their posts and the time they have been members of TV.

I can't prove it, haven done the statistics, so just an impression that we have a lot of new members, who joined TV specifically to defend the Reds. Wonder how much one gets paid to invade the Internet in defense of Thaksin and the Red Shirts.

Someone else noticed the same?

Yes, I've noticed quite a few new posters who appear to have joined TV specifically to attack the Red Shirts. Two of them (Whybother and Jcbangkok) have managed to run up over a thousand posts each within about a month of joining! Remarkable!

[whybother]

I never bothered to read the whole thread, just the title.

Seems to me that the Government troops had much better weapons than the Red Shirts.

I never saw one Red Shirt Tank or APC, I never saw one armed to the teeth Red Shirt Division advancing on Government troops firing live ammunition, I never saw One Red Shirt Sniper picking off Thai Soldiers, I never saw one Red Shirt Water Cannon, I never saw One child of a Soldier killed. I never saw one wife of a Soldier Killed, I only saw what the Thai government wanted me to see, and thats what most of you guys saw as well............

The UDD broadcast PTV was available till begin of May. Lots of info on the internet. Tweets, twits and facebook. Unreadable Thai blogs, etc. Had you asked we would have pointed them out to you.

Maybe GM1955 thinks the Army should have supplied equal weapons and trained the red forces so it would be a 'fair' fight. I think that would be stupid for any group in power.

Not at all.

I just find it odd so many weapons are found, why didn't they use them on the final day, they were being shot at with live rounds, I just wonder why there were no heavy Army losses if the Res were so well armed, if I had an AK47 I wouldn't be using a slingshot or a stick.

Seems so convenient for the government to lay all these weapons out for show, seems so odd that there were so many protesters killed when they were so heavily armed.

Maybe they were outnumbered and didn't want to get caught or get shot?? On the last day the army was better protected, better armed and better organised.

There were still people shooting at the army with high powered rifles when the army went in to clean out the protests, as shown by BBC footage.

Did you see how many young/middle aged guys were being taken to the buses to go home? But how many of those did you see around the stage on the last day?

[nickupton]

Anyone who thinks the protesters were unarmed can easily test their conspiracy theory - go down to Rama IV and ask some of the residents if they were unarmed.

@Deeral: Allow me to propose a definition of 'terrorist' for you to ponder: Anyone who launches grenades, shoots at the residents and burns down the buildings in our neighbourhood is a terrorist. We couldn't give a rats arse about their political views.

Honestly there are some boneheads around here.

Sure, some of the red shirts were armed, but it was not an armed movement. The majority of the people there did NOT have weapons of war. However, seeing as how the government and the army spokespeople are now dictating the news (and presenting evidence after they deem areas 'safe' and let journalists in), I'm sure we can all rest assured that they are using only the truth to legitimize their own deadly use of force. The Thaivisa children know that authority figures, especially in SE Asia MUST be believed, because to do otherwise is to risk deportation or worse.

Where do you people come from that believe the likes of the government and the military? Do you hold the same esteem for these institutions back home? Even the red apologists here don't defend Thaksin as an honest source of information. You can hate the reds all you want... that's a matter of opinion, but to believe all that the establishment has to say is irresponsible and foolish. Support the government if you wish, but accept statements from the army as gospel? Shame on you!

Having an armed wing willing to kill innocent bystanders, medics, policemen, soldiers and journalists legitimizes the use of force. I am not sure why you don't agree with this. Do you live in Bangkok and in any of the danger zones? I could see how your perspective could be radically different if you didn't hear the sound of gunfire and grenade explosion for a month straight. The UDD at this point is no different to Hezbollah. The difference being that they pander to western liberalism instead of directly attacking it in ideology. If it were not for the military my apartment building could have been torched, I could have been randomly targeted with a grenade, I could have been robbed by red checkpoints, I could have been impaled on a bamboo spear by a crazed redshirt guard, the list goes on. In my eyes, they protected me from aggressors who were intent on killing, destroying and stealing.

You can't just look at the armed wing of the movement and dismiss it as 'fake' red shirts. I would never associate myself with a movement that carries out attacks of terrorism against innocent targets, no matter how much I agree with the ideology. It makes you a supporter of that violence.

Please!! Hezbollah??? Hezbollah launches rockets INTENTIONALLY against civilians. They use suicide bombers against school buses of children. That comparison is offensive.

So are you saying that the grenade attacks on Silom protestors was an accident? The RPG attacks on Dusit Thani hotel full of the international media was a slip of the trigger finger? All those other grenade attacks on civilians in banks etc were accidents? Who were they really trying to attack then?

No suicide bombers attacking children yet thankfully but burning of schools is perhaps the first step down that path and the arson of TV channel 3 whilst it had people inside that had to be rescued by helicopter is getting frightfully close.

[rubl]

The UDD broadcast PTV was available till begin of May. Lots of info on the internet. Tweets, twits and facebook. Unreadable Thai blogs, etc. Had you asked we would have pointed them out to you.

Maybe GM1955 thinks the Army should have supplied equal weapons and trained the red forces so it would be a 'fair' fight. I think that would be stupid for any group in power.

Not at all.

I just find it odd so many weapons are found, why didn't they use them on the final day, they were being shot at with live rounds, I just wonder why there were no heavy Army losses if the Reds were so well armed, if I had an AK47 I wouldn't be using a slingshot or a stick.

Seems so convenient for the government to lay all these weapons out for show, seems so odd that there were so many protesters killed when they were so heavily armed.

What seems so convenient is your opinion, that all. Like other opinions which seems to contradict you. Doesn't mean you're both wrong or right.

If you had an AK47 you would be hiding it under a cloth so no-one sees it and move around, sneak in a shoot when no-one sees it, killing indiscriminately. Just like you, you said?

[whybother]

Funny, the degree of sympathy posters here have for the Red Shirts appears to be reverse proportional to the number of their posts and the time they have been members of TV.

I can't prove it, haven done the statistics, so just an impression that we have a lot of new members, who joined TV specifically to defend the Reds. Wonder how much one gets paid to invade the Internet in defense of Thaksin and the Red Shirts.

Someone else noticed the same?

Yes, I've noticed quite a few new posters who appear to have joined TV specifically to attack the Red Shirts. Two of them (Whybother and Jcbangkok) have managed to run up over a thousand posts each within about a month of joining! Remarkable!

Yep. I've spent too much time responding to many red shirt supporters posts. Most responding to the likes of Pornsasi, LevelHead, and Red Parrot (to name a couple).

And?

[rubl]

Funny, the degree of sympathy posters here have for the Red Shirts appears to be reverse proportional to the number of their posts and the time they have been members of TV.

I can't prove it, haven done the statistics, so just an impression that we have a lot of new members, who joined TV specifically to defend the Reds. Wonder how much one gets paid to invade the Internet in defense of Thaksin and the Red Shirts.

Someone else noticed the same?

Yes, I've noticed quite a few new posters who appear to have joined TV specifically to attack the Red Shirts. Two of them (Whybother and Jcbangkok) have managed to run up over a thousand posts each within about a month of joining! Remarkable!

Some new posters seem to be here for the sole purpose of annoying others. Read the items in this thread, you will find a few :-(

[silverhawk_usa]

One of the first rules of evidence handling is to photograph the item as it is found, undisturbed. If this was done, the photos should be released and MAY add more credibility. If it was NOT done, it is definitely poor procedure and, unfortunately, adds fuel to the doubters arguments.

[noname135]

The UDD broadcast PTV was available till begin of May. Lots of info on the internet. Tweets, twits and facebook. Unreadable Thai blogs, etc. Had you asked we would have pointed them out to you.

Maybe GM1955 thinks the Army should have supplied equal weapons and trained the red forces so it would be a 'fair' fight. I think that would be stupid for any group in power.

Not at all.

I just find it odd so many weapons are found, why didn't they use them on the final day, they were being shot at with live rounds, I just wonder why there were no heavy Army losses if the Reds were so well armed, if I had an AK47 I wouldn't be using a slingshot or a stick.

Seems so convenient for the government to lay all these weapons out for show, seems so odd that there were so many protesters killed when they were so heavily armed.

What seems so convenient is your opinion, that all. Like other opinions which seems to contradict you. Doesn't mean you're both wrong or right.

If you had an AK47 you would be hiding it under a cloth so no-one sees it and move around, sneak in a shoot when no-one sees it, killing indiscriminately. Just like you, you said?

what about showing all those "found weapons", where and when they were, found to the media ??

but it's a lot easier to transport them from any army depot to a neutral place and just telling where they had been "found" !

with all those weapons the reds would have killed quite a few soldiers and police, - funny enough there were only 17 reds killed and more then 100 wounded !

just another "Thai miracle"

[rubl]

One of the first rules of evidence handling is to photograph the item as it is found, undisturbed. If this was done, the photos should be released and MAY add more credibility. If it was NOT done, it is definitely poor procedure and, unfortunately, adds fuel to the doubters arguments.

Agree, but not always possible. Some found while shooting was still going on. Would you stop to dust of a strange object, write a label and mark it?

[noname135]

The UDD broadcast PTV was available till begin of May. Lots of info on the internet. Tweets, twits and facebook. Unreadable Thai blogs, etc. Had you asked we would have pointed them out to you.

Maybe GM1955 thinks the Army should have supplied equal weapons and trained the red forces so it would be a 'fair' fight. I think that would be stupid for any group in power.

Not at all.

I just find it odd so many weapons are found, why didn't they use them on the final day, they were being shot at with live rounds, I just wonder why there were no heavy Army losses if the Reds were so well armed, if I had an AK47 I wouldn't be using a slingshot or a stick.

Seems so convenient for the government to lay all these weapons out for show, seems so odd that there were so many protesters killed when they were so heavily armed.

What seems so convenient is your opinion, that all. Like other opinions which seems to contradict you. Doesn't mean you're both wrong or right.

If you had an AK47 you would be hiding it under a cloth so no-one sees it and move around, sneak in a shoot when no-one sees it, killing indiscriminately. Just like you, you said?

what about showing all those "found weapons", where and when they were, found to the media ??

but it's a lot easier to transport them from any army depot to a neutral place and just telling where they had been "found" !

with all those weapons the reds would have killed quite a few soldiers and police, - funny enough there were only 17 reds killed and more then 100 wounded !

just another "Thai miracle"

[rubl]

What seems so convenient is your opinion, that all. Like other opinions which seems to contradict you. Doesn't mean you're both wrong or right.

If you had an AK47 you would be hiding it under a cloth so no-one sees it and move around, sneak in a shoot when no-one sees it, killing indiscriminately. Just like you, you said?

what about showing all those "found weapons", where and when they were, found to the media ??

but it's a lot easier to transport them from any army depot to a neutral place and just telling where they had been "found" !

with all those weapons the reds would have killed quite a few soldiers and police, - funny enough there were only 17 reds killed and more then 100 wounded !

just another "Thai miracle"

There we go again. You're (maybe) right, happy now?

[noname135]

One of the first rules of evidence handling is to photograph the item as it is found, undisturbed. If this was done, the photos should be released and MAY add more credibility. If it was NOT done, it is definitely poor procedure and, unfortunately, adds fuel to the doubters arguments.

Agree, but not always possible. Some found while shooting was still going on. Would you stop to dust of a strange object, write a label and mark it?

would be difficult to bring items in, undiscovered by bystanders and media !

looks likt there was nothing or not much to show, therefore : neutral place, and make up a nice cache!

[nickupton]

The True reds Started off By peaceful means, Then I think the hard line took the opportunity to cause mayhem, And some people just jumped on the Bandwagon because they like anarchy, I think the Thai government showed great restraint, There was never going to be any Winners.

No they didn't start off peacefully, there were threats of arson and murder before they began. Can't believe you still haven't seen this video.

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youtube provided from above.

Thanks for providing the video link that I managed to cock up.

It, and others like it, were just played by government on Thai TV to provide evidence that there was a preplanned plot to loot and burn. They also played the extension to this video where Arisman goes on to PROMISE attacks on many of the buildings that were attacked as well as the intent to burn all mosques and Siriraj hospital, which thankfully were not attacked.

He also tells the crowd that the reds are supported by an armed military wing - a clear link is established between the reds and an armed force in that video clip. I guess this armed wing he referred to were only armed with fireworks?

Other red leaders also encourage looting and arson on video.

I believe that these videos would be convicting evidence of incitement to violence, arson and theft in any independent court, one could argue that the violence and arson constitutes a terrorist plot.

[noname135]

What seems so convenient is your opinion, that all. Like other opinions which seems to contradict you. Doesn't mean you're both wrong or right.

If you had an AK47 you would be hiding it under a cloth so no-one sees it and move around, sneak in a shoot when no-one sees it, killing indiscriminately. Just like you, you said?

what about showing all those "found weapons", where and when they were, found to the media ??

but it's a lot easier to transport them from any army depot to a neutral place and just telling where they had been "found" !

with all those weapons the reds would have killed quite a few soldiers and police, - funny enough there were only 17 reds killed and more then 100 wounded !

just another "Thai miracle"

There we go again. You're (maybe) right, happy now?

can you be happy if people are killed ? godd for you!

I'm just not dumb and brainwashed yet!

that doesn't make the whole story right, but for that it's years too late anyway!

[rubl]

One of the first rules of evidence handling is to photograph the item as it is found, undisturbed. If this was done, the photos should be released and MAY add more credibility. If it was NOT done, it is definitely poor procedure and, unfortunately, adds fuel to the doubters arguments.

Agree, but not always possible. Some found while shooting was still going on. Would you stop to dust of a strange object, write a label and mark it?

would be difficult to bring items in, undiscovered by bystanders and media !

looks likt there was nothing or not much to show, therefore : neutral place, and make up a nice cache!

Another opinion is that the army removed lots of stuff in order not to terrify people.

[noname135]

The True reds Started off By peaceful means, Then I think the hard line took the opportunity to cause mayhem, And some people just jumped on the Bandwagon because they like anarchy, I think the Thai government showed great restraint, There was never going to be any Winners.

No they didn't start off peacefully, there were threats of arson and murder before they began. Can't believe you still haven't seen this video.

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youtube provided from above.

Thanks for providing the video link that I managed to cock up.

It, and others like it, were just played by government on Thai TV to provide evidence that there was a preplanned plot to loot and burn. They also played the extension to this video where Arisman goes on to PROMISE attacks on many of the buildings that were attacked as well as the intent to burn all mosques and Siriraj hospital, which thankfully were not attacked.

He also tells the crowd that the reds are supported by an armed military wing - a clear link is established between the reds and an armed force in that video clip. I guess this armed wing he referred to were only armed with fireworks?

Other red leaders also encourage looting and arson on video.

I believe that these videos would be convicting evidence of incitement to violence, arson and theft in any independent court, one could argue that the violence and arson constitutes a terrorist plot.

how many videos you want to see about the reason for them coming to protest ?

storming and ransacking government building by the yellows, storming and demolioshing the airports , but "that was no act of terrorism, "that was just fun" - and since those are the words of the (now ) foreign minister, everything is ok !

[rubl]

One of the first rules of evidence handling is to photograph the item as it is found, undisturbed. If this was done, the photos should be released and MAY add more credibility. If it was NOT done, it is definitely poor procedure and, unfortunately, adds fuel to the doubters arguments.

Agree, but not always possible. Some found while shooting was still going on. Would you stop to dust of a strange object, write a label and mark it?

would be difficult to bring items in, undiscovered by bystanders and media !

looks likt there was nothing or not much to show, therefore : neutral place, and make up a nice cache!

Another opinion is that the army removed lots of stuff in order not to terrify people.

[noname135]

One of the first rules of evidence handling is to photograph the item as it is found, undisturbed. If this was done, the photos should be released and MAY add more credibility. If it was NOT done, it is definitely poor procedure and, unfortunately, adds fuel to the doubters arguments.

Agree, but not always possible. Some found while shooting was still going on. Would you stop to dust of a strange object, write a label and mark it?

would be difficult to bring items in, undiscovered by bystanders and media !

looks likt there was nothing or not much to show, therefore : neutral place, and make up a nice cache!

Another opinion is that the army removed lots of stuff in order not to terrify people.

how nice ! and no need to invite the media to that, since media is very weakhearted too!

[nickupton]

One of the first rules of evidence handling is to photograph the item as it is found, undisturbed. If this was done, the photos should be released and MAY add more credibility. If it was NOT done, it is definitely poor procedure and, unfortunately, adds fuel to the doubters arguments.

Agree, but not always possible. Some found while shooting was still going on. Would you stop to dust of a strange object, write a label and mark it?

Actually the items do not need to be photographed to establish a clear and unbroken chain of uncorrupted evidence. A correctly written statement and description of the evidence and where it was found by a crime scene examiner, which is then correctly signed and sealed and submitted is perfectly sufficient and uncorruptable evidence in a court. This CAN be done quickly and efficiently even in the most dangerous of situations, with the object dusted for fingerprints or examined under ultraviolet light (or any other forensic procedure) later - I have collected evidence in this way which has been used to convict rioters in UK.

Photographs, in this situation where sides do not trust each other, would perhaps be desirable but in waiting for a photographer to arrive at the scene there is a danger that any forensic evidence such as fingerprints or blood spatters would be corrupted in the ensuing melee so that immediate retrieval would be preferable to a photograph which would only show the position of the object - something which can adequently be covered in a description.

There will have to be a lot of test firing of the seized weapons to collect fired bullets and shell casings for comparison with bullets found in victims of shootings to see if any of these were used to kill people at Rajprasong.

[way2muchcoffee]

how many videos you want to see about the reason for them coming to protest ?

storming and ransacking government building by the yellows, storming and demolioshing the airports , but "that was no act of terrorism, "that was just fun" - and since those are the words of the (now ) foreign minister, everything is ok !

The airport was not demolished. There is no need to lie in order to make a point.

And how does the illegal acts of the PAD, for which the court cases are ongoing, in any way justify the redshirt actions? You cannot decry one and condone the other.

For the record, they were both bad, but the redshirt actions were many orders of magnitude more violent and destructive than the PAD actions. But this

[noname135]

Actually the items do not need to be photographed to establish a clear and unbroken chain of uncorrupted evidence. A correctly written statement and description of the evidence and where it was found by a crime scene examiner, which is then correctly signed and sealed and submitted is perfectly sufficient and uncorruptable evidence in a court.

are you sincerely talking about anything like this happening in Thailand ??

then i better stop writing !

I would probably think about something similar possible to happen in Zimbabwe, Haiti or Myanmar !

I Thailand, everything the government says, is absolutely correct, don't need to be proven or anything !

[asiawatcher]

6 undetonated carbombs found at Rajprasong, meant to completely blow up the area

Head Forensic Department Dr Pornthip Rojanasunan disclosed that car bombs were found by security task force in 4 Rajprasong areas. The bombs were put together in a manner almost ready to detonate, she said. Government Spokesperson Dr Panithan Watanayakorn pointed out that they were meant to blow up Rajprasong area.

Earlier today, Dr Pornthip had found almost 1,000 suspected explosive materials scattered around Rajprasong. DNA cross matching is currently in progress.

-- Tan Network 2010-05-22

[newsfooter][/newsfooter]

Fortunately cars even without registration plates will have engine numbers and owners are traceable but is that wishful thinking? If the brown shirt mafia are given the task, the culprits are already home free. TIT

[blackman]

The True reds Started off By peaceful means, Then I think the hard line took the opportunity to cause mayhem, And some people just jumped on the Bandwagon because they like anarchy, I think the Thai government showed great restraint, There was never going to be any Winners.

No they didn't start off peacefully, there were threats of arson and murder before they began. Can't believe you still haven't seen this video.

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youtube provided from above.

Thanks for providing the video link that I managed to cock up.

It, and others like it, were just played by government on Thai TV to provide evidence that there was a preplanned plot to loot and burn. They also played the extension to this video where Arisman goes on to PROMISE attacks on many of the buildings that were attacked as well as the intent to burn all mosques and Siriraj hospital, which thankfully were not attacked.

He also tells the crowd that the reds are supported by an armed military wing - a clear link is established between the reds and an armed force in that video clip. I guess this armed wing he referred to were only armed with fireworks?

Other red leaders also encourage looting and arson on video.

I believe that these videos would be convicting evidence of incitement to violence, arson and theft in any independent court, one could argue that the violence and arson constitutes a terrorist plot.

you should view this video on the youtube site and see the hatred being spewed forth by the red supporters in the comments section

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M9XiJoWSSs...player_embedded

there are comments on there that cannot be reproduced here for reasons that will be obvious

on purely moral grounds they are disgusting allegations to make

however i urge you to read them and think about what some reds think this protest was all about.

[asiawatcher]

Do not be so quick to jump to conclusions, the Goverment was under pressure from outside countrys and the United Nations.

It needed to show the Reds in a bad light,to jusify the shooting of people with bamboo sticks by soldiers with assault rifles and shotguns.

if the Reds had all these weapons why did they not use them?

A little too convenient I think.

Uh... duh... they did! The fact they didn't use all the munitions was cos they were cached and not within reach at the blockade walls! And there weren't that many bullets found thus they ran out of ammo!!! What - you think the rifles and automatic weapons they collected were straight out of the box? (sigh)

Edited May 23, 2010 by asiawatcher

[rubl]

Agree, but not always possible. Some found while shooting was still going on. Would you stop to dust of a strange object, write a label and mark it?

would be difficult to bring items in, undiscovered by bystanders and media !

looks likt there was nothing or not much to show, therefore : neutral place, and make up a nice cache!

Another opinion is that the army removed lots of stuff in order not to terrify people.

how nice ! and no need to invite the media to that, since media is very weakhearted too!

You wouldn't recognize sarcasm if it hit you like a brick, now would you?