PM Abhisit Challenges Thaksin

[cyberia]

when we talk about Seh Daeng assassination, the first question that needs to be asked,

who would benefit from it?

It's not such a hard question to answer.

The Gov will never admit anything. Why would they?

They are not THAT stupid (???)

There is no chance of an independent investigation in this country anyways.

[cyberia]

You just keep waiting for Thaksin.

I keep waiting for your verbal diarrhea to stop.

A word of advise that may safe you from harm.

Do never assume things.

Edited May 30, 2010 by cyberia

[Samuian]

If you know who shot Sah Daeng, why don't you share it with us (and international media, while you're at it)?

I am sure I have seen an article and footage of a Thai army sniper shooting Seh, and a report in either nation or BP that the press ran to the building where the shot came from. The press were told there is nothing to see here as a team of army personnell with rifles got into a black van and drove off.

Yeah, a "rumor" of some "Eyewitness" who will have seen it all from quite a distance or heard it, or...

it starts that this "eyewitness" claimed that he/she will have "seen" a sniper, hooded and all, with a "long stick" on the roof of the Dusit Thani... and then how he/she was whisked off with "Police vehicle" and escort...

Yep, a rumor about an "eyewitness"...

[rixalex]

when we talk about Seh Daeng assassination, the first question that needs to be asked,

who would benefit from it?

It's not such a hard question to answer.

Agreed.

Out of interest, do you apply the same thought process to the red shirt who had his brains blown out, or international journalists being shot?

Who benefited from that?

It's not such a hard question to answer.

[mazeltov]

i like the way Visaradee Techateerawat (วิสาระดี เตชะธีราวัฒน์) speaks.

the Nation run an article about her with the headline: A star is born?

of course, she is not somebody who could become the PM in Thailand, but i wish her a future in politics.

Truly the dire look of the future for Thailand if it goes PTP.

When a court of justice libelous, Red Shirt Rally Host, whose only reason she's even in Parliament is because she is the nominee proxy stand-in daughter of a banned for electoral fraud TRT Party Boss MP, who along with the notorious and banned PPP mafia boss Mr. Refrigerator, control the Chiang Rai area:

Some additional information on the hope for The Red Pheu Thai Party:

Constitution Court files libel complaint against Pheu Thai MP

The Constitution Court Wednesday filed a complaint with police alleging Pheu Thai Party MP Visaradee Techathirawat of defaming the court.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/search/rea...u+Thai+Party+MP

A Member of Parliament who doesn't know that you can not libel the courts... especially on the floor of the House?

It's no wonder she's been criticized for not being able to speak without reading word for word written statements that have been put in front of her to read aloud inside Parliament.

I enjoyed the poster's link where she says:

"My father is my inspiration. I remember when I was young he took me along with him when he visited his constituents. I told myself that one day I would be like him."

or in other words, I want to be the next political mafia boss for our neck of the woods in Thailand, but in the meantime, as an MP, I'll vote and say whatever my good Daddy wants me to.

Even her libel arrest was specifically for criticizing the case involving her Pop's political party dissolution.

More information on her:

Pheu Thai MPs, former Thai Rak Thai executive join rally

Some Pheu Thai Party MPs and former executives of the dissolved Thai Rak Thai party joined the red-shirted rally in front of the Government House at noon Wednesday.

They joined the rally after former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra called on the 110 other banned Thai Rak Thai executives to come out to join the "fight for democracy".

Chiang Rai MP Visaradee Tejathirawat acted a host on the main stage while some former Thai Rak Thai executives and some Pheu Thai MPs joined a talk show on the stage.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/search/rea...tive+join+rally

Puea Thai MP Visaradee reports to police

22 June 2009: Puea Thai MP for Chiang Rai Visaradee Techateerawat reported herself to police as summoned to acknowledge the charge for insulting the Constitutional Court.

Accompanied by her father Visarn Techateerawat, the former MP of the now defunct Thai Rak Thai party and her lawyer, Visaradee, travelled to Ratchawang Police Station amid moral support from a group of the United Front of Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) supporters.

http://thainews.prd.go.th/en/news.php?id=255206220091

and her Red Boss Papa just a short 2 months prior was also reporting to police.... or not:

9 More Red-Shirt Leaders in Chiang Rai to Surrender Tomorrow

20 April 2009: Nine red-shirt leaders in Chiang Rai province are expected to turn themselves in to the police tomorrow, while their followers are expected to demonstrate at the police station.

Chiang Rai's Provincial Court has issued arrest warrants for 10 red-shirt leaders in the province. So far, only one, Kanit Boonyanasinikasem, a former leader of a Chiang Rai pro-democracy group, had reported to police.

The nine others include former Thai Rak Thai leader and former Chiang Rai MP Visarn Techateerawat.

Visarn is the father of current Chiang Rai MP Visaradee Techateerawat.

Police have been searching for the nine suspects, but have been unable to locate them.

- Thailand Outlook Channel

He actually DID turn himself in the following day with several other Red Shirt leaders.

This time, instead of Visarn accompanying his daughter to the police station, Visaradee accompanied her father to the police station.

Visaradee then used her position as an MP to post bail for her father.

so next being in the wrong party and having a daddy what is actually her crime?

A Pheu Thai MP turned herself in to police for her alleged contempt of court charge.

Chiang Rai MP of the opposition Pheu Thai Party, Wisaradee Techatheerawat today spent 20 minutes testifying before investigators of Praratchawang Police Station after she has been summoned for alleged contempt of the Constitution Court.

Wisaradee said she is surprised with the accusation as her remark over the matter was made within the scope of MP duties, but she believed that justice will prevail.

The office of the Constitution Court filed the complaint with the police, seeking

legal action against Wisaradee after

her comment during a House debate that the court's dissolution of the People Power Party was unfair.

If found guilty, Wisaradee can be handed

a maximum jail term of seven years

or a fine of 2,000 baht or both.

...

22 June 2009

http://www.thailandoutlook.tv/toc/ViewData...?DataID=1015729

Board member should keep that in mind, how fast it can go in Thailand to face seven years in jail.

Anyway, i still wish her good luck for her future. She made a mistake i can forgive her. She is young.

If Maj-Gen Kittisak Ratprasert is right, Confidence is 90%, then comes after the 12. August the dissolution of the democrats. (Thai Rath article in google cache) After that Visaradee will know that she was wrong with her remark.

[noahvail]

when we talk about Seh Daeng assassination, the first question that needs to be asked,

who would benefit from it?

It's not such a hard question to answer.

The Gov will never admit anything. Why would they?

They are not THAT stupid (???)

There is no chance of an independent investigation in this country anyways.

You're right, not such a hard question to answer. Here are three.

First: Seh Daeng had announced to the world that Thaksin told him that he was to be the new leader. Perhaps the other leaders saw their power eroding, and.....

Second: It appears that whenever he spoke with Thaksin, "his boss," that he told the whole world of the plans. Not a good thing to do, if Thaksin wanted him to keep quiet, and.....

Third: the leader of the Ronin would find his position greatly increased with Seh Daeng out of the way, and.....

[Democrat]

If Abhisit would just return to his country of birth and stay there, Thailand could go forward with its long, long reconciliation phase. With the waters polluted with the hi-so hate-speech of Abhisit, Kasit and others, nothing good can happen.

And if so, who is going to help reconcile the society? The man who spent billions teaching them to hate for his own corrupt good? The man who taught them how to burn down cities?

I for one think that a little Western thinking might be just what the doctor ordered. I agree thought that I don't particularly like Kasit, I think they need someone much more professional as FM, maybe someone young and better educated.

Have to agree with you Rabo. Cannot be a man who sits afar and alledgedly takes billions, and gives millions, and helps to cause riots, burn buildings. Certainly not the man to be a politician, and should pay for any crimes committed. It also cannot be people who alledgedly instigated the death of many people. A bit of Western thinking in this case of a lot of people died Official no 88. actual deaths? Abhisit should resign as leader of the democrat party, In my opinion I suggest they not have ex army, police at the top like some other parties.

[Democrat]

If you know who shot Sah Daeng, why don't you share it with us (and international media, while you're at it)?

I am sure I have seen an article and footage of a Thai army sniper shooting Seh, and a report in either nation or BP that the press ran to the building where the shot came from. The press were told there is nothing to see here as a team of army personnell with rifles got into a black van and drove off.

Yeah, a "rumor" of some "Eyewitness" who will have seen it all from quite a distance or heard it, or...

it starts that this "eyewitness" claimed that he/she will have "seen" a sniper, hooded and all, with a "long stick" on the roof of the Dusit Thani... and then how he/she was whisked off with "Police vehicle" and escort...

Yep, a rumor about an "eyewitness"...

And you are that eyewitness? The Dusit Thani was it. I can quote you on that.

[asiawatcher]

It is a fact that once Khun Thaksin's funds run out that he will be a man without a country. Even Montenegro will not want him. I suspect that if he does not invest there his welcome will be withdrawn and he will flee to another even smaller enclave. Should all of the funds seized by the government with the latest court rulings be funneled away so that he cannot attain them through whatever means, his presence will be a liability to whoever is harboring him. Just keep the pressure on him financially and he will soon have nowhere to roost. Starve him out via his loss of money.

I would also suggest that those monies seized be used to rebuild and refurbish all that Khun Thaksin has helped destroy. Rebuild the government buildings burnt out in the NE and Chiang Mai. Supply funding to those businesses in Bangkok that the supporters of the exiled PM destroyed. Pay back the country he helped set afire with the funds he and his family acquired through ill means. Karma...........

Let's put that in perspective. To run out of funds as a billionaire -

Thaksin would have to spend USD30M a day for a year to spend 1 billion. He has multiples. So lesson here is - he ain't going to run out of money any time soon!

[asiawatcher]

i like the way Visaradee Techateerawat (วิสาระดี เตชะธีราวัฒน์) speaks.

the Nation run an article about her with the headline: A star is born?

of course, she is not somebody who could become the PM in Thailand, but i wish her a future in politics.

Truly the dire look of the future for Thailand if it goes PTP.

When a court of justice libelous, Red Shirt Rally Host, whose only reason she's even in Parliament is because she is the nominee proxy stand-in daughter of a banned for electoral fraud TRT Party Boss MP, who along with the notorious and banned PPP mafia boss Mr. Refrigerator, control the Chiang Rai area:

Some additional information on the hope for The Red Pheu Thai Party:

Constitution Court files libel complaint against Pheu Thai MP

The Constitution Court Wednesday filed a complaint with police alleging Pheu Thai Party MP Visaradee Techathirawat of defaming the court.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/search/rea...u+Thai+Party+MP

A Member of Parliament who doesn't know that you can not libel the courts... especially on the floor of the House?

It's no wonder she's been criticized for not being able to speak without reading word for word written statements that have been put in front of her to read aloud inside Parliament.

I enjoyed the poster's link where she says:

"My father is my inspiration. I remember when I was young he took me along with him when he visited his constituents. I told myself that one day I would be like him."

or in other words, I want to be the next political mafia boss for our neck of the woods in Thailand, but in the meantime, as an MP, I'll vote and say whatever my good Daddy wants me to.

Even her libel arrest was specifically for criticizing the case involving her Pop's political party dissolution.

More information on her:

Pheu Thai MPs, former Thai Rak Thai executive join rally

Some Pheu Thai Party MPs and former executives of the dissolved Thai Rak Thai party joined the red-shirted rally in front of the Government House at noon Wednesday.

They joined the rally after former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra called on the 110 other banned Thai Rak Thai executives to come out to join the "fight for democracy".

Chiang Rai MP Visaradee Tejathirawat acted a host on the main stage while some former Thai Rak Thai executives and some Pheu Thai MPs joined a talk show on the stage.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/search/rea...tive+join+rally

Puea Thai MP Visaradee reports to police

22 June 2009: Puea Thai MP for Chiang Rai Visaradee Techateerawat reported herself to police as summoned to acknowledge the charge for insulting the Constitutional Court.

Accompanied by her father Visarn Techateerawat, the former MP of the now defunct Thai Rak Thai party and her lawyer, Visaradee, travelled to Ratchawang Police Station amid moral support from a group of the United Front of Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) supporters.

http://thainews.prd.go.th/en/news.php?id=255206220091

and her Red Boss Papa just a short 2 months prior was also reporting to police.... or not:

9 More Red-Shirt Leaders in Chiang Rai to Surrender Tomorrow

20 April 2009: Nine red-shirt leaders in Chiang Rai province are expected to turn themselves in to the police tomorrow, while their followers are expected to demonstrate at the police station.

Chiang Rai's Provincial Court has issued arrest warrants for 10 red-shirt leaders in the province. So far, only one, Kanit Boonyanasinikasem, a former leader of a Chiang Rai pro-democracy group, had reported to police.

The nine others include former Thai Rak Thai leader and former Chiang Rai MP Visarn Techateerawat.

Visarn is the father of current Chiang Rai MP Visaradee Techateerawat.

Police have been searching for the nine suspects, but have been unable to locate them.

- Thailand Outlook Channel

He actually DID turn himself in the following day with several other Red Shirt leaders.

This time, instead of Visarn accompanying his daughter to the police station, Visaradee accompanied her father to the police station.

Visaradee then used her position as an MP to post bail for her father.

so next being in the wrong party and having a daddy what is actually her crime?

A Pheu Thai MP turned herself in to police for her alleged contempt of court charge.

Chiang Rai MP of the opposition Pheu Thai Party, Wisaradee Techatheerawat today spent 20 minutes testifying before investigators of Praratchawang Police Station after she has been summoned for alleged contempt of the Constitution Court.

Wisaradee said she is surprised with the accusation as her remark over the matter was made within the scope of MP duties, but she believed that justice will prevail.

The office of the Constitution Court filed the complaint with the police, seeking

legal action against Wisaradee after

her comment during a House debate that the court's dissolution of the People Power Party was unfair.

If found guilty, Wisaradee can be handed

a maximum jail term of seven years

or a fine of 2,000 baht or both.

...

22 June 2009

http://www.thailandoutlook.tv/toc/ViewData...?DataID=1015729

Board member should keep that in mind, how fast it can go in Thailand to face seven years in jail.

Anyway, i still wish her good luck for her future. She made a mistake i can forgive her. She is young.

If Maj-Gen Kittisak Ratprasert is right, Confidence is 90%, then comes after the 12. August the dissolution of the democrats. (Thai Rath article in google cache) After that Visaradee will know that she was wrong with her remark.

Seven (7) years or 2,000 Baht - that seems like a fair 'balanced' judgement. Give me a break! Thai Law in its entirety is an ass.

[topsecret]

Djukanovic said Thaksin had been an elected Thai premier whose government was brought down by a military coup.

Correct me if I am wrong

At the time of the Coup there was no legal government in power

Thaskin was caretaker PM and did not call an election as per the constitution

The coup was to stop a bloody massacre that was about to unfold on the streets of Bangkok

It was not to bring down a government

as at this time there was no constitutional government in power

Please correct me if I am wrong

You're wrong on all accounts! What newspapers do you read, the daily mail?

[Democrat]

Mr Abhisit do you have an english passport. I hold a passport from the country I was born and brought up in, not the country of my parents. I would stand by the people I grew up with and the whole country! And my hat goes off to someone, to go to another country, and give allegiance to that country in the way of becoming a politician, to try and help that countries people (I am sure their are many people who do not have Thai parents that would like this opportunity and do a great job of it). But with your background Mr A. would not Accountability be right at the top.

I know there has been a lot going on in Thailand under many governments and juntas. Accountability where in your roadmap is this? You in your tenure have left, as previous pm's have, more questions unanswered than answered! Accountability would answer many questions. Not made up answers or misleading bits of information, or one story one day and another story another day.

So what is it with you anyway

Are you Thai ,Indian or a westerner today

Just looked at a few of your posts ,so what is it

Here are some of your quotes

" I am sure its the farangs. but my wife keeps telling me she is not the only good farang in the world. I tell her Go Hoc!

hmmm,ok and another

"And one of these were a win for you farangs"

Sounds a bit like either your confused,or you are forgeting your porkies which wouldnt be a suprise when you look at your statement on the previous election results

"They got 36% of the vote + 40% for murdering PTT party members, suppression and junta control of the media and polling stations - 3% for vote buying + 3% for vote buying on the other side. Still 76% for the reds is a clear majority"

Its not even all that so much but your baseless allegations ,generally as a rule information obtained from your Thai mate

This is just the two you have used today

"My Thai friend has dropped a couple of bombshells on me today, he is suggesting that there are several clans against each other. He says it may have been Thaksin but there is another 2 groups that would be happy to demolish anything owned by the central group. Big C was done later than CW and may have been paybacks"

"Mr Newin is losing a lot of support in his electorate at the moment. My friend from his electorate said they (BP/Govt)have asked from his village 100k about 100 people. the village up the road about 300 people they have asked for the same 100k. A lot of people are starting to get peeved"

Handy that wasnt it that your Thai mate,lives up north and in the district no less of Newin

I am sure if i were to go through your posts for any longer than three minutes,i would find out he probably he also lives in Bkk or wherever suits your story at the time eh !

Anyway,best to leave it with your recent statement when accused and proven of false quoting

"Sorry about that! the cat started chasing the mouse and I couldn't control it"

You say it so much better than i ever could !!!!!

Well thisismadness. Yep sure a farang can be Indian or portugese or english. And the previous elections? your comment does not make sense. Actually I do have many Thai mates, and brothers in Bangkok, as I do in many parts of Thailand. How do you assume baseless information? I am assuming you are saying that Big C was the first to burn and then Central world, and that is baseless information. Madness you may have "This is just the two you have used today" Go and do your research correctly I did not use that quote today.

The trouble is the only thing you can say is, madness. Maybe put some effort into giving a constructive opinion or news you have heard or viewed. If people are not sure about that information. There is always ghoogle and a network of friends to get that information, do your own research and form your own opinion. feel free to share it with all on this forum. If you have nothing good to say don't say it.

[brahmburgers]

when we talk about Seh Daeng assassination, the first question that needs to be asked,

who would benefit from it?

You're right, not such a hard question to answer. Here are three.

First: Seh Daeng had announced to the world that Thaksin told him that he was to be the new leader. Perhaps the other leaders saw their power eroding, and.....

Second: It appears that whenever he spoke with Thaksin, "his boss," that he told the whole world of the plans. Not a good thing to do, if Thaksin wanted him to keep quiet, and.....

Third: the leader of the Ronin would find his position greatly increased with Seh Daeng out of the way, and.....

Another plausible reason: The comparative moderates among the Red leaders would like Seh Daeng out the way for the following reasons:

>>>> He was getting almost too cushy with T, often asserting dominance by saying, "Thaksin told me by phone today....., This is what Mr. Thaksin wants......" Not only is that annoying during a debate, but the other Red Leaders had been trying for weeks to distance the perception that the Red movement was funded and run by Thaksin. Of course, insiders knew that was the case, but Red leaders were slowly realizing it was a liability to have the public perceive it that way.

Also, Seh Daeng with his supposedly direct line to Thaksin, was bolloxing an agreement with the very reasonable offer by Abhisit's gov't to hold elections 15 months earlier than planned. Several of the Red leaders agreed with that proposal, but they couldn't supersede Se Daeng's (and other leaders') hot headed insistance on confrontation.

Another very plausible option is Seh Daeng was shot by someone close to the Colonel that was killed by a grenade launched by the Blacks (who were buddies with the Reds). To me, that's the most plausible explanation. They saw a chance, and took it.

It's astounding that more Red honchos weren't killed. They should thank the Army profusely for not knocking them off when they had the chance. They're some lucky duckies.

[asiawatcher]

Hard to return Thaksin to face trial in Thailand if he gives up Thai citizenship

BANGKOK (TNA) -- Attempts by the government to bring back fugitive, ousted former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra from Montenegro to Thailand to face terrorism charges would be difficult if he has relinquished Thai citizenship, Panich Vikitsreth, Vice Minister for Foreign Affairs, said on Saturday.

Mr Panich, who is scheduled to travel to Montenegro next month and to request its government to deport Mr Thaksin to Thailand, admitted that Montenegro's constitution stipulates that Montenegrins shall not be extradited to face charges in a foreign land.

The Thai government now must explain to the Montenegrin government that the deportation request is because Mr Thaksin is a Thai citizen and his wrongdoings were committed in this country and have already been judged by a Thai court and were free from political intervention, he said.

It is quite worrisome if Mr Thaksin holds dual citizenship, he said, adding that revocation of Thai citizenship could stall pending charges against the ousted premier.

On earlier remarks by Interpol that it had not yet received a request from the Thai government for Mr Thaksin's arrest, Mr Panich said concerned Thai authorities are now collecting evidence which would be used in filing charges against him.

Mr Thaksin was ousted in a bloodless coup in September 2006 and went into self-exile overseas. He stands accused of masterminding and funding the violent protest of the Red Shirts which culminated in an army assault and Red Shirt arson in the capital and provinces in the North and Northeast during the past week. The bloody street fighting ended on May 19.

Also, Mr Thaksin was earlier sentenced to a two-year imprisonment in absentia for guilty of conflict of interest while in power.

Associate Professor Pantip Kanchanachitra of Thammasat University’s Faculty of Law stated that under the Thai constitution, a Thai citizen automatically loses his nationality if he was naturalised in another ountry.

“It is still doubtful presently whether Mr Thaksin has become a citizen of Montenegro," said Dr Pantip. "It doesn’t mean that he would become a Montenegrin if he holds that country’s passport.”

But if he has naturalised to become a Montenegrin citizen then it is the duty of the Thai interior minister to revoke his Thai citizenship and announce it in the Royal Gazette, he added.

An earlier report by the Associated Press in Podgorica said the Montenegrin government would not extradite or put Mr Thaksin on the track of justice without valid proof or an international arrest warrant. The ousted premier has acquired a Montenegrin passport and stays occasionally in a seaside villa.

Prime Minister Milo Djukanovic told the news agency Thursday that Montenegro gave Mr Thaksin citizenship partly because of his planned multimillion dollar investments in Montenegro’s tourism. However, the premier said “we have mechanisms to correct our decisions” if need be. (TNA)

-- TNA 2010-05-29

[newsfooter][/newsfooter]

A compromise - why doesn't the Govt revoke Takky's Thai citizenship? Then that drops some of the charges, but allows the criminal ones to remain. It saves time, money and the terrorism charges can be proven to Interpol thus they will action if Takky can be legally tied to the deaths. If his citizenship is revoked Thailand will not have a risk that should he be arrested and returned (which would be negated) the red uprising would swell to civil war proportions. Thailand does not want this 'figurehead' back here.

Edited May 30, 2010 by asiawatcher

[Crushdepth]

when we talk about Seh Daeng assassination, the first question that needs to be asked,

who would benefit from it?

It's not such a hard question to answer.

The general consensus was that basically everyone had a solid motive for wanting to shoot Seh Dang:

* Government - he's organising protestor defences, probable links to the armed bomb-throwing faction, or maybe 'lets send a message to the other red leaders'.

* Red leaders - he won't accept the roadmap and threatens to replace us with a 'second generation' to continue the protest, thereby screwing up our chances of negotiating a settlement and an amnesty to save our own skins.

* Army - yer makin' us look bad and messing up morale, sunshine.

* Jatuporn - he keeps calling me stupid in public. Great Leaders don't put up with that...sob...

* Thaksin - he has a big mouth and blabs my plans, and its time to remind the red leaders who's boss...

Whoever did it can be confident that someone else will get most of the blame.

[mazeltov]

It's astounding that more Red honchos weren't killed. They should thank the Army profusely for not knocking them off when they had the chance. They're some lucky duckies.

...

no comment.

[whybother]

Djukanovic said Thaksin had been an elected Thai premier whose government was brought down by a military coup.

Correct me if I am wrong

At the time of the Coup there was no legal government in power

Thaskin was caretaker PM and did not call an election as per the constitution

The coup was to stop a bloody massacre that was about to unfold on the streets of Bangkok

It was not to bring down a government

as at this time there was no constitutional government in power

Please correct me if I am wrong

You're wrong on all accounts! What newspapers do you read, the daily mail?

I think you need to do a bit of research 'topsecret'.

Maybe you could provide some details of who was in government when the coup occurred, and how they got there?

[animatic]

when we talk about Seh Daeng assassination, the first question that needs to be asked,

who would benefit from it?

It's not such a hard question to answer.

The Gov will never admit anything. Why would they?

They are not THAT stupid (???)

There is no chance of an independent investigation in this country anyways.

You're right, not such a hard question to answer. Here are three.

First: Seh Daeng had announced to the world that Thaksin told him that he was to be the new leader. Perhaps the other leaders saw their power eroding, and.....

Second: It appears that whenever he spoke with Thaksin, "his boss," that he told the whole world of the plans. Not a good thing to do, if Thaksin wanted him to keep quiet, and.....

Third: the leader of the Ronin would find his position greatly increased with Seh Daeng out of the way, and.....

He was a loose cannon, and dangerous to many more than JUST the government.

And not coincidentally perfect as a martyr for the red side ongoing.

[animatic]

Djukanovic said Thaksin had been an elected Thai premier whose government was brought down by a military coup.

Correct me if I am wrong

At the time of the Coup there was no legal government in power

Thaskin was caretaker PM and did not call an election as per the constitution

The coup was to stop a bloody massacre that was about to unfold on the streets of Bangkok

It was not to bring down a government

as at this time there was no constitutional government in power

Please correct me if I am wrong

You're wrong on all accounts! What newspapers do you read, the daily mail?

He's much more correct than you seem to grasp.

[animatic]

It's astounding that more Red honchos weren't killed. They should thank the Army profusely for not knocking them off when they had the chance. They're some lucky duckies.

...

no comment.

A breath of fresh air.

[cyberia]

when we talk about Seh Daeng assassination, the first question that needs to be asked,

who would benefit from it?

It's not such a hard question to answer.

Agreed.

Out of interest, do you apply the same thought process to the red shirt who had his brains blown out, or international journalists being shot?

Who benefited from that?

It's not such a hard question to answer.

the red shirt protester you are referring to was shot right in the head in the midst of a battle.

the shot was fired NOT from the red's side, but it might as well have been a stray bullet, less likely though.

I don't know who shot the jurno guy, you don't know and  he doesn't either.

Most probably a stray bullet as well since the army men were shooting indiscriminately(watch a few videos)

Now, if you use your logical thinking, if you have any left that is, the question who shot Seh Daeng will not be 

a hard question to answer

Whatever you do, try to apply logic and  stay away from singha and chang, those can cloud your brain in no time.

Edited May 30, 2010 by cyberia

[way2muchcoffee]

when we talk about Seh Daeng assassination, the first question that needs to be asked,

who would benefit from it?

It's not such a hard question to answer.

Agreed.

Out of interest, do you apply the same thought process to the red shirt who had his brains blown out, or international journalists being shot?

Who benefited from that?

It's not such a hard question to answer.

the red shirt protester you are referring to was shot right in the head in the midst of a battle.

the shot was fired NOT from the red's side, but it might as well have been a stray bullet, less likely though.

I don't know who shot the jurno guy, you don't know and  he doesn't either.

Most probably a stray bullet as well since the army men were shooting indiscriminately(watch a few videos)

Now, if you use your logical thinking, if you have any left that is, the question who shot Seh Daeng will not be 

a hard question to answer

Whatever you do, try to apply logic and  stay away from singha and chang, those can cloud your brain in no time.

I think you need to watch the video again. The general and overwhelming consensus has been that the redshirt protester killed on April 10 by a bullet to the brain was killed by a bullet coming from behind redshirt lines.

[ThisIsMadness]

If you know who shot Sah Daeng, why don't you share it with us (and international media, while you're at it)?

I am sure I have seen an article and footage of a Thai army sniper shooting Seh, and a report in either nation or BP that the press ran to the building where the shot came from. The press were told there is nothing to see here as a team of army personnell with rifles got into a black van and drove off.

Yeah, a "rumor" of some "Eyewitness" who will have seen it all from quite a distance or heard it, or...

it starts that this "eyewitness" claimed that he/she will have "seen" a sniper, hooded and all, with a "long stick" on the roof of the Dusit Thani... and then how he/she was whisked off with "Police vehicle" and escort...

Yep, a rumor about an "eyewitness"...

And you are that eyewitness? The Dusit Thani was it. I can quote you on that.

Are you still asking people to prove things to you,when you refuse to do the same

these are some quotes from you ,relayed here again so everybody is aware how you get your information

"My Thai friend has dropped a couple of bombshells on me today, he is suggesting that there are several clans against each other. He says it may have been Thaksin but there is another 2 groups that would be happy to demolish anything owned by the central group. Big C was done later than CW and may have been paybacks"

"Mr Newin is losing a lot of support in his electorate at the moment. My friend from his electorate said they (BP/Govt)have asked from his village 100k about 100 people. the village up the road about 300 people they have asked for the same 100k. A lot of people are starting to get peeved"

Thats just a small snippet of your credibility

Anyway,best to leave it with your recent statement when accused and proven of false quoting

"Sorry about that! the cat started chasing the mouse and I couldn't control it"

And this last one if for the Samuian poster,he suggests to you that you are reporting on rumour etc but lets look at this one yesterday from Democrat(sic) himself

"I am sure I have seen an article and footage of a Thai army sniper shooting Seh, and a report in either nation or BP that the press ran to the building where the shot came from. The press were told there is nothing to see here as a team of army personnell with rifles got into a black van and drove off"

He was of course then asked to provide the link many many times by members of this forum,but of course none have ever appeared,only in his little mind.

Once he has been found out,he then moves to another post

Democrat,you are an odious little person

go out and do something with your day mate

there is traffic out there to play with after all !!!!

[ballpoint]

when we talk about Seh Daeng assassination, the first question that needs to be asked,

who would benefit from it?

It's not such a hard question to answer.

Agreed.

Out of interest, do you apply the same thought process to the red shirt who had his brains blown out, or international journalists being shot?

Who benefited from that?

It's not such a hard question to answer.

the red shirt protester you are referring to was shot right in the head in the midst of a battle.

the shot was fired NOT from the red's side, but it might as well have been a stray bullet, less likely though.

I don't know who shot the jurno guy, you don't know and he doesn't either.

Most probably a stray bullet as well since the army men were shooting indiscriminately(watch a few videos)

Now, if you use your logical thinking, if you have any left that is, the question who shot Seh Daeng will not be

a hard question to answer

Whatever you do, try to apply logic and stay away from singha and chang, those can cloud your brain in no time.

1. Please give us some proof that "the shot was fired NOT from the red's side" (sic), as you so emphatically state without giving any evidence as to why.

2. How about answering the question asked of you rather than making personal attacks on other posters? It's the sign of a baseless argument (or none at all).

[noahvail]

Are you still asking people to prove things to you,when you refuse to do the same

these are some quotes from you ,relayed here again so everybody is aware how you get your information

"My Thai friend has dropped a couple of bombshells on me today, he is suggesting that there are several clans against each other. He says it may have been Thaksin but there is another 2 groups that would be happy to demolish anything owned by the central group. Big C was done later than CW and may have been paybacks"

"Mr Newin is losing a lot of support in his electorate at the moment. My friend from his electorate said they (BP/Govt)have asked from his village 100k about 100 people. the village up the road about 300 people they have asked for the same 100k. A lot of people are starting to get peeved"

Thats just a small snippet of your credibility

Anyway,best to leave it with your recent statement when accused and proven of false quoting

"Sorry about that! the cat started chasing the mouse and I couldn't control it"

And this last one if for the Samuian poster,he suggests to you that you are reporting on rumour etc but lets look at this one yesterday from Democrat(sic) himself

"I am sure I have seen an article and footage of a Thai army sniper shooting Seh, and a report in either nation or BP that the press ran to the building where the shot came from. The press were told there is nothing to see here as a team of army personnell with rifles got into a black van and drove off"

He was of course then asked to provide the link many many times by members of this forum,but of course none have ever appeared,only in his little mind.

Once he has been found out,he then moves to another post

Democrat,you are an odious little person

go out and do something with your day mate

there is traffic out there to play with after all !!!!

I very much agree with your last paragraph (except for playing in traffic - he might actually do that!).

He's been getting nailed left and right for his trollish behaviour.

I believe he has the capacity to change, but refuses to do so.

So he's another on the ignore list....sigh....so many trolls.....

[sgtpeppers]

If Abhisit would just return to his country of birth and stay there, Thailand could go forward with its long, long reconciliation phase. With the waters polluted with the hi-so hate-speech of Abhisit, Kasit and others, nothing good can happen.

Who do u think should be Prime Minister ??

Abhisit has damaged the country far more than he has healed it.

Thailand has turned into a dictatorship under his leadership.

Even a dog or a marble statue as PM now would be better than Abhisit by virtue of the fact that Abhisit is part of the problem, not the solution.

Edited May 30, 2010 by sgtpeppers

[rixalex]

Thailand has turned into a dictatorship under his leadership.

Which country are you posting from?

[sgtpeppers]

Thailand has turned into a dictatorship under his leadership.

Which country are you posting from?

Why is that important ?

[rabo]

when we talk about Seh Daeng assassination, the first question that needs to be asked,

who would benefit from it?

It's not such a hard question to answer.

The Gov will never admit anything. Why would they?

They are not THAT stupid (???)

There is no chance of an independent investigation in this country anyways.

Who would benefit? Thaksin for one. Seh Daeng was clearly and unequivocally identifying Thaksin as the leader, the person who scuttled the peace plan, and the person who decided to fight on with Seh Daeng and abandon the red leaders who wanted to compromise. They were partners in crime, according to Seh Daeng.

What would Thaksin gain? 1)Remove the primary witness for terrorism charges. 2) trigger more instability, 3) further damage the government's position. 3 in 1.

Now the government side. What do they have to gain? Only the removal of the reds commanding officer, but not the organization or other field commanders. What would they loose? First, they would loose their star witness for the prosecution, and again it would further damage their position.

Who shot him is a mystery, maybe the Thai version of who shot JFK.

Edited May 30, 2010 by rabo

[stepenwolf1958]

To Humungus

So, in your country if some other country ask from your government some of your citizens - that one will be extradited?

For your government would be well enogh to do it if there is just arrest warrant?

Your government will do that without any proof? Just because of arrest warrant and accusation?

I am trying to imagine if that happened in England, England would extradite any citizen for request of some banana republic, let's say in Africa, just based on arrest warrant of Police in that country? eVEN IF EVERY ONE KNOWS THERE pOLICE AND PAPER CAN SAY ANYTHING ABOUT ANY ONE?

I doubt.

There is always a chance to make a trial in England to English citizens and that is what would and should do any country.

Accusations about terrorism are very seripous and is not enoughsomeone just said that in arrest warrang.

Something more heavy is needed, i think.

Yes, in my country if someone commits a crime against another country they can be sent to face the charges in the other country. That's what extradition treaties are all about. They are agreements between countries to respect each others' laws and deport persons to prevent them from hiding from justice. An arrest warrant is what is needed to take someone to court, that is where guilt is determined. I'm sorry you have so little respect for Thailand that you think its institutions are a joke and that they are unable to seek justice for the murder of their own citizens. Arrest warrants are usually based on evidence meaning a judge is convinced that there are grounds to bring charges against that person. I'm not sure what more you want or what is heavy enough for you. Maybe you are waiting for a videotaped confession, but that is not necessary, although some of Thaksin's videochats might be just that. Arrest warrants for Terrorism aren't just purchased at 7-11 and are not something to be taken lightly by other nations.

Humungus,make just ONE thing in propper and FAIR way, will you? Way you talk is really boring and so much you are blindfolded by your idol Mr.A. or you are well paid to defending him for his mistakes?

Warning you this time man:don't imput to me what i didn't say.

Where i said i have a little respect for Thailand and it's institutions? Show me where isaid that?

Just because you dislike i am speaking against method your idol used in BKK should not be the reason you be rotten about my words here.

Don't twist my words and meanings.

Otherwise i will think all you are saying about my words is personal so you could hear of me.

I am reading all posts here and i said i am aside.

Even more, i liked Abhisit when he was in campaign but that doesn't mean i will be at his side even he make something wrong. Read carefully my posts so you will see i was very clear that i am neutral and i am telling to all people to don't be flamable about reds but also yellows.

So, please, don't twist my words and don't imput to me words i didn't say.

Next, to explain to you things and way it works.

What you said here can not be done as Montenegro don't have any established relations with Thailand in diplomacy. Can you understand what does it mean? Exactly as PM said, will be "harder" to get Thaksin now. This is the reason he said so.

So, the only way Thailand have to try is to make official request from Interpol.

As you are speaking about institutions in Thailand and its capabilities, can you explain to all of us why Thailand and Mr. Abhisit didn't already ask Interpol officialy and before his statement in medias?

Why they didn't first prepare all in official way, respecting and following procedure about it? What do you think is reason they didn't make official request to Interpol?

And, i will ask for your personal oppinion, do you think Thailand will make official request to Interpol at all? When?