Thai PM Abhisit Still Standing After Deadly Protests

[SomTumTiger]

Abhisit, his party, and elites dont stand a chance against Thaksin in major election.

The only way to 'win' for them is to dissolve PueaThai party once again - I'm sure it's easy to find reason to do that.

And if they cant find, make one up. They did that before and it worked well. ;p

It are the Democrats that will mostly likely dissolved after the 12. August.

There is a confidence of 90% that exactly that will happen, because the evidence in the 258 million donation case and the 29 million misused funds case us pretty clear. (Thai Rath article in google cache)

That comes from Maj-Gen Kittisak Ratprasert, he is very far from the suspicion to be a red shirt propaganda clown. He comes more from the inner circle of the 'power'.

There will be new by-elections, but party list seats like the one of Abhisit will not get refilled and without them the new-"democrats" will not be able to get a majority again to form a government.

You really have trouble reading the tea leaves - don't you lol. I'll be there to say "I told you so".

[KireB]

Wait for June 24 peoples movement, they will show up all over the country on June 24.

Anyway the only way to find out which political wing, which party, is favoured by the electorate are elections.

And we all know what Abhisit thinks about elections and what he does to avoid them.

Good reminder for us all to get a fire insurance!

[jdinasia]

Wait for June 24 peoples movement, they will show up all over the country on June 24.

Anyway the only way to find out which political wing, which party, is favoured by the electorate are elections.

And we all know what Abhisit thinks about elections and what he does to avoid them.

Good reminder for us all to get a fire insurance!

Maz is playing with his strawman again .... Abhisit OFFERED early elections so we know what he thinks about them. The reds spat on the offer and chose to burn things down. Why? Thaksin needs elections before October.

[whybother]

The link to The Nation article is here:

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/Vote-...u-30130710.html

Trusting in printed numbers in a The Nation article? You must be a new reader. That is also not a question of red or yellow but one of reliable and accurate journalism.

Sorry, the Nation article don't answered the question how many seats the PTP have in parliament.

According to this source*:

http://mp.parliament.go.th/biographical/fr...PersonList.aspx

it are 189 seats.

200 is wrong.

so you are clueless about the missing seats?

The missing seats were stolen from the electorate. That are former party list PPP seats that got not refilled with by-election after the PPP dissolution. What means the people who voted for them are not more represented in the parliament.

The Nation article has also not the answer why a haircut is so important for you.

*note: there are different figures between the english and the that language version. also for the total number of MPs. But it is still a better source than The Nation.

The Nation didn't say PTP had 200 seats. They said the opposition had 200 seats.

189 Peua Thai. 8 Pracha Raj. 3 not sure.

[mazeltov]

...

BECAUSE if one goes back how the TRT took overpower an a certain fugitive

became PM with this "overwhelming majority" - just have a good look at how this

"overwhelming majority" was reached - a big, big spending spree, party shopping!

And some massive PR campaigns in THOSE electorates for votes!

Since it has been claimed that this was the most "loved" the most "democratic" the longest

reigning PM the only one who ever made it through one full term ... an, and all these "impressive

accomplishments" of this not so impressive figure.... have a good look and add bit to bit....

...

On 23 January 2006, the Thai Telecommunication Act (2006) became effective, raising the limit on foreign holdings in telecom companies to 49%. The Act replaced the Telecom Business Law, which took effect in November 2001, and put the foreign investment cap at 25%.

...

massive PR campaigns

The JUnta launched a massive Anti Thaksin campaign spending millions of taxpayers money.

The Democrats misused 29 million baht of state funds in the election campaign and facing now a dissolution for it.

In PR, and while in Office - that means tax money, The Junta and the Abhisit government are the biggest spender and one of the main advertiser in Thailands media, compared to other PMs of the last 10 years.

Ranking PM's Office ad spending by government, the result is:

Surayud/CNS (2007) 1,090 million baht

Abhisit/Democrat Party (2009 est.) 978 million baht

Thaksin/TRT (2005) 795 million baht

Thaksin/TRT-Surayud/CNS (2006) 787 million baht

Samak & Somchai/PPP (2008 est.) 712 million baht

Thaksin (2004) 561 million baht

Spending per month can fluctuate (possibly affecting the quarterly estimate above for 2008-9).

Also note that ad spending is only for the PM's Office and doesn't include other ministries, agencies, or state-owned enterprises.

source

Telecom deal

Right-wing extremist, national socialist and other ultra nationalist having big problems with more foreign influence and scream high treason when the limit of foreign shareholder shop is raised from 25% to 49%.

meanwhile it was then also an opposition demand that the telecom market should be more open.

If Thaksin or the Shin Corporation had kept their share for sure people would had made an argument out of this too.

FYI. in case you didn't notice. Thaksins 'crime' isn't the topic here.

You close your eyes in front of the deadly crackdown of the protest and keep talking about Thaksin.

The protests were about Thaksin. He financed it. Of course we keep talking about him. Using your words, you close your eyes in front of the killing of 3000 Thais and just keep talking about the 'deadly crackdown' killing 80. Do the maths.

Errm. before you wanna do math with the death of human beings and using it as political argument which death are acceptable and justified and which are to condemn you should check at least the details. aka eyes wide open.

There were somewhat 3000 homicides during the time period when the War on Drug was fought. That is the total number of all deadly crimes that occured during that time. That doesn't mean that all these 3000 death died by the hand of law enforcement officers or were killed by Thaksin.

The number of deadly shot out with the police is by somewhat around 100.

There are open cases, still ongoing investigation on extra judical killings. this number you can count with two hands.

Anyway i don't want to whitewash the war on drug, it was/is a failed policy. But these wrongs by the Thaksin government cannot be an excuse for the deadly acts of the Abhisit regime.

Thaksin financing the protests? Any evidence for it?

[gl9999]

Errm. before you wanna do math with the death of human beings and using it as political argument which death are acceptable and justified and which are to condemn you should check at least the details. aka eyes wide open.

There were somewhat 3000 homicides during the time period when the War on Drug was fought. That is the total number of all deadly crimes that occured during that time. That doesn't mean that all these 3000 death died by the hand of law enforcement officers or were killed by Thaksin.

The number of deadly shot out with the police is by somewhat around 100.

There are open cases, still ongoing investigation on extra judical killings. this number you can count with two hands.

Anyway i don't want to whitewash the war on drug, it was/is a failed policy. But these wrongs by the Thaksin government cannot be an excuse for the deadly acts of the Abhisit regime.

Thaksin financing the protests? Any evidence for it?

There were 2500 deaths in the 'War On Drugs' and no matter how much spin you want to put on it, they were ALL attributed to Thaksin. 100 only? Yeah that's what I expect coming from a Red Shit propagandist.

The few hundred or so were Tak Bai and Kra Sue. You want to spin those deaths too? Only 5 deaths to be blamed on Thaksin?

Deadly acts of Prime Minister Abhisit's regime. I will once again throw your words back on you. They are still under ongoing investigation.

Since the 3000 deaths happened long ago and the fact that 3000 is a much bigger number then 80, it should be investigated more thoroughly at the moment.

I'm pretty sure the Red Shit leaders who had the bank accounts frozen were all innocent and the money they got from overseas were from rich relatives! Ha!

[mazeltov]

The link to The Nation article is here:

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/Vote-...u-30130710.html

Trusting in printed numbers in a The Nation article? You must be a new reader. That is also not a question of red or yellow but one of reliable and accurate journalism.

Sorry, the Nation article don't answered the question how many seats the PTP have in parliament.

According to this source*:

http://mp.parliament.go.th/biographical/fr...PersonList.aspx

it are 189 seats.

200 is wrong.

so you are clueless about the missing seats?

The missing seats were stolen from the electorate. That are former party list PPP seats that got not refilled with by-election after the PPP dissolution. What means the people who voted for them are not more represented in the parliament.

The Nation article has also not the answer why a haircut is so important for you.

*note: there are different figures between the english and the that language version. also for the total number of MPs. But it is still a better source than The Nation.

The Nation didn't say PTP had 200 seats. They said the opposition had 200 seats.

189 Peua Thai. 8 Pracha Raj. 3 not sure.

Don't tell me that. I know that the PTP don't have 200 seats and i didn't say that it was written in the Nation.

That was the fallacy of the other "expert" i was replying to. (and as i can see he isn't the only one who came up with this. And others still asking questions like 'how would you know a person's educational level')

But i am not sure about the total numbers of seats that are currently taken in the parliament. Are it really 475 or isn't the number lower? Where do you get your 'not sure' figures from?

[mazeltov]

The link to The Nation article is here:

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/Vote-...u-30130710.html

Trusting in printed numbers in a The Nation article? You must be a new reader. That is also not a question of red or yellow but one of reliable and accurate journalism.

Sorry, the Nation article don't answered the question how many seats the PTP have in parliament.

According to this source*:

http://mp.parliament.go.th/biographical/fr...PersonList.aspx

it are 189 seats.

200 is wrong.

so you are clueless about the missing seats?

The missing seats were stolen from the electorate. That are former party list PPP seats that got not refilled with by-election after the PPP dissolution. What means the people who voted for them are not more represented in the parliament.

The Nation article has also not the answer why a haircut is so important for you.

*note: there are different figures between the english and the that language version. also for the total number of MPs. But it is still a better source than The Nation.

The Nation didn't say PTP had 200 seats. They said the opposition had 200 seats.

189 Peua Thai. 8 Pracha Raj. 3 not sure.

Don't tell me that. I know that the PTP don't have 200 seats and i didn't say that it was written in the Nation.

That was the fallacy of the other "expert" i was replying to. (and as i can see he isn't the only one who came up with this. And others still asking questions like 'how would you know a person's educational level')

But i am not sure about the total numbers of seats that are currently taken in the parliament. Are it really 475 or isn't the number lower? Where do you get your 'not sure' figures from?

[ozzieman05]

Abhisit, his party, and elites dont stand a chance against Thaksin in major election.

The only way to 'win' for them is to dissolve PueaThai party once again - I'm sure it's easy to find reason to do that.

And if they cant find, make one up. They did that before and it worked well. ;p

Would your predictions be as accurate as the prediction of a million reds going to Bangkok?

Wait for June 24 peoples movement, they will show up all over the country on June 24.

Anyway the only way to find out which political wing, which party, is favoured by the electorate are elections.

And we all know what Abhisit thinks about elections and what he does to avoid them.

Well as you know

the people vote for MP's

so with this in mind and looking a today's vote in Parliament

Abhisit won easily

so this is the only example we can look at

Abhisit will also win the next election as it is the MP's that vote in the PM

Will people like you please stop trying to change the rules

[Samuian]

..............edited - for more then allowed quotes....

Errm. before you wanna do math with the death of human beings and using it as political argument which death are acceptable and justified and which are to condemn you should check at least the details. aka eyes wide open.

There were somewhat 3000 homicides during the time period when the War on Drug was fought. That is the total number of all deadly crimes that occured during that time. That doesn't mean that all these 3000 death died by the hand of law enforcement officers or were killed by Thaksin.

The number of deadly shot out with the police is by somewhat around 100.

There are open cases, still ongoing investigation on extra judical killings. this number you can count with two hands.

Anyway i don't want to whitewash the war on drug, it was/is a failed policy. But these wrongs by the Thaksin government cannot be an excuse for the deadly acts of the Abhisit regime.

Thaksin financing the protests? Any evidence for it?

You learn quickly, your master always told the people to shut up and that they don't have to have an opinion,

and will be sued if they don;t stop criticizing him.... he told the people simply to "shut up" or better made them .... remain silent through all kinds of acts, like massive law suits, withdrawing any advertising contracts, issuing Persona non Grata... for foreign journalists - who dared

A picture book democrat he is....

and a much better salesman with an incredible repertoire of unseen trickery and ruthlessness... ah' well.. I know for you or your campaign he has to remain an angel - but more and more evidence does point into a very different image!

You will have to wait for the EVIDENCE to be produced!

So far some 130 Bank accounts, under suspicion aiding the funneling of money to finance the "uprising"

or where do you think did the money for te red Hooligans and the Black Knight came from?

Ah; yeah I know - as usually here from making good profits selling Som Tam and Kanom -

But most of the proceeds did come from winning the Lottery!

Ask anyone which was the winning number, for EVIDENCE! ;-)

the sample I used in my post was one to show how "honest" the "mistakes" the man tneds to make...

and to draw a conclusion how "honest" he might be, how "honest" anything he might say... might be...

This mazeltov, THIS is what it is all about CREDIBILITY!

Citizen of Montenegro?

Holding a montenegrin Passport?

Who is the Montenegrin PM?

What is Montenegro known for?

"honest mistakes" in choosing this Address, Nicaraguan PP, Nigerian maybe?

Mazeltov what are you trying to sell to the readers of this forum?

THAKSIN "Credibility?

Or that of is cronies...?

is it cabaret time?

another Bozo act?

"just a bit of PR for my master"?

are you so convinced because you are paid for it or are you fighting for the survival of your very own PR company in Montenegro?

[mazeltov]

Wait for June 24 peoples movement, they will show up all over the country on June 24.

Anyway the only way to find out which political wing, which party, is favoured by the electorate are elections.

And we all know what Abhisit thinks about elections and what he does to avoid them.

Good reminder for us all to get a fire insurance!

Maz is playing with his strawman again .... Abhisit OFFERED early elections so we know what he thinks about them. The reds spat on the offer and chose to burn things down. Why? Thaksin needs elections before October.

Key word is OFFERED. Abhisit offers earlier election all the time, he did that also last year to. IT NEVER HAPPENED.

He talks so much what he will do and so on, but a promise by Abhisit is worth nothing. You cannot trust him.

But what happen so far is that he boycotted the election in april 2006. aka avoiding them. Inlike the democracy movement UDD Abhisit did not much protest against the coup in September 2006, where election were on shedule for later this year.

And now all his offers never become true - he is avoiding elections.

If the red shirts want new election because they think the whole situation and the new starts after the junta regime was not fair to them and Abhisit isn't the legitimate PM why they should wait any 9 month longer? for what? Giving Abhisit more time to kill and surpress them? They have enough.

[whybother]

<snip>

But i am not sure about the total numbers of seats that are currently taken in the parliament. Are it really 475 or isn't the number lower? Where do you get your 'not sure' figures from?

From your link earlier - Thai and English numbers

Thai Eng

เพื่อแผ่นดิน PUEA PAN DIN 32 32

ประชาธิปัตย์ DEMOCRAT 172 172

ประชาราช PRACHARAJ 8 8

ภูมิใจไทย BHUMJAITHAI 32 31 *

กิจสังคม SOCIAL ACTION 5 5

ชาติไทยพัฒนา CHART THAI PATTANA 25 25

เพื่อไทย PEAU THAI 189 185 *

มาตุภูมิ MATUBHUM 3 3

รวมชาติพัฒนา RUM CHART PATTANA 9 9

475 470

Government are Democrat, Puea Pan Din, Bhumjaithai, Social Action, Chart Thai, Rum Chart (275).

Peau Thai and Pracharaj are in opposition (197).

That leaves Matubhum who I assume are in opposition also - BUT I believe this party was started by Gen Sonthi ... so I don't know where they stand.

5 party list seats were lost by the banned PPP party list MPs. (non-banned party list MPs from PPP are still MPs)

Edited June 2, 2010 by whybother

[hammered]

<snip>

But i am not sure about the total numbers of seats that are currently taken in the parliament. Are it really 475 or isn't the number lower? Where do you get your 'not sure' figures from?

From your link earlier - Thai and English numbers

Thai Eng

เพื่อแผ่นดิน PUEA PAN DIN 32 32

ประชาธิปัตย์ DEMOCRAT 172 172

ประชาราช PRACHARAJ 8 8

ภูมิใจไทย BHUMJAITHAI 32 31 *

กิจสังคม SOCIAL ACTION 5 5

ชาติไทยพัฒนา CHART THAI PATTANA 25 25

เพื่อไทย PEAU THAI 189 185 *

มาตุภูมิ MATUBHUM 3 3

รวมชาติพัฒนา RUM CHART PATTANA 9 9

475 470

Government are Democrat, Puea Pan Din, Bhumjaithai, Social Action, Chart Thai, Rum Chart (275).

Peau Thai and Pracharaj are in opposition (197).

That leaves Matubhum who I assume are in opposition also.

5 party list seats were lost by the banned PPP party list MPs. (non-banned party list MPs from PPP are still MPs)

Thos efigures are likely not accurate in real terms. Peau Pandion split into factions when Abhisit became PM and some ar ein opposition and some in government. BJT today claimed it has 46 MPs loyal to it. Is that from by elections or does it include the Peau Thai MPs who vote with the government?

When PPP was disolved they lost all of their party list MPs who were execs and who couldnt be replaced. Other disolved parties also lost all of the execs and only execs in the constituency side could be replaced so I would be surprised if there were actually 475 MPs as that means only 5 MPs of the disolved parties were on the party list which seems low. The exact numebr and who is in which party and who outside of that is loyal to who seems quite confusing and secretive

Edited to add: and of course forgetting those who cant be bothered to even go to parliament

Edited June 2, 2010 by hammered

[mazeltov]

With your friends the PT silenced for a while, Abhisit can continue his reconciliation process. Think positive Mazeltov!

We dont have to listen to Prime Minister Chalerm and his murdureous crew!

silenced by the deadly crackdown? You mean killing your opposition is the way to reconciliation? positive thinking?

But what is about "his murdureous [sic] crew"??? Care to explain? Can you tell me more about it?

Thank you for correcting my spelling. Seems you're quite useful after all.

Abut your reading skills I do have my doubts though.

Do we really have to explain what kind of man Chalerm is? Why dont you google: ' Chalerm son(s) killing', and find out for yourself.

Lovely Red family those Yoobamrungs.

I am not correcting your spelling, what i have done was not to modifying your words when i cite you and to indicate that i used the [sic]. [sic] is not a correctors remark.

The question is not how good i am with to google something, but if YOU ARE ABLE TO EXPLAIN, if you can tell me something more about it.

Like using your own words, give a brief but still elaborate account on it and not forget to add some references.

It is not the first time i am asking this at this board and in all previous cases the members could not give me an intelligent answer. ( And others still asking questions like 'how would you know a person's educational level')

[Publicus]

Wait for June 24 peoples movement, they will show up all over the country on June 24.

Anyway the only way to find out which political wing, which party, is favoured by the electorate are elections.

And we all know what Abhisit thinks about elections and what he does to avoid them.

Good reminder for us all to get a fire insurance!

Maz is playing with his strawman again .... Abhisit OFFERED early elections so we know what he thinks about them. The reds spat on the offer and chose to burn things down. Why? Thaksin needs elections before October.

Key word is OFFERED. Abhisit offers earlier election all the time, he did that also last year to. IT NEVER HAPPENED.

He talks so much what he will do and so on, but a promise by Abhisit is worth nothing. You cannot trust him.

But what happen so far is that he boycotted the election in april 2006. aka avoiding them. Inlike the democracy movement UDD Abhisit did not much protest against the coup in September 2006, where election were on shedule for later this year.

And now all his offers never become true - he is avoiding elections.

If the red shirts want new election because they think the whole situation and the new starts after the junta regime was not fair to them and Abhisit isn't the legitimate PM why they should wait any 9 month longer? for what? Giving Abhisit more time to kill and surpress them? They have enough.

My god....how many times?

Abhisit proposed a 'snap' election and presented a specific date for an unscheduled election. The Reds/Thaksin said no, added additional assinine [sic] demands, told Abhisit what he could do with his proposed election and proceded to torch major areas of central Bangkok.

These same Reds are fully capable telling villagers during an election campaign to vote Red or get their villages torched too. In fact I expect this will be the Red approach to the next election whenever it may be.

You need to give assurances that during any election campaign elements of the Reds supported by many Reds will not threaten villagers with a torched village if they don't vote Red.

Edited June 2, 2010 by Publicus

[gl9999]

Wait for June 24 peoples movement, they will show up all over the country on June 24.

Anyway the only way to find out which political wing, which party, is favoured by the electorate are elections.

And we all know what Abhisit thinks about elections and what he does to avoid them.

Good reminder for us all to get a fire insurance!

Maz is playing with his strawman again .... Abhisit OFFERED early elections so we know what he thinks about them. The reds spat on the offer and chose to burn things down. Why? Thaksin needs elections before October.

Key word is OFFERED. Abhisit offers earlier election all the time, he did that also last year to. IT NEVER HAPPENED.

He talks so much what he will do and so on, but a promise by Abhisit is worth nothing. You cannot trust him.

But what happen so far is that he boycotted the election in april 2006. aka avoiding them. Inlike the democracy movement UDD Abhisit did not much protest against the coup in September 2006, where election were on shedule for later this year.

And now all his offers never become true - he is avoiding elections.

If the red shirts want new election because they think the whole situation and the new starts after the junta regime was not fair to them and Abhisit isn't the legitimate PM why they should wait any 9 month longer? for what? Giving Abhisit more time to kill and surpress them? They have enough.

Well I think I've said it before but I'll say it again.

The world is back to normal.

PM Abhisit is still Prime Minister. The Red Shit leaders are in jail and most of the little shits are back home planting rice for us Bangkok elites! It's a beautiful day!

[mazeltov]

You learn quickly, your master always told the people to shut up and that they don't have to have an opinion,

and will be sued if they don;t stop criticizing him.... he told the people simply to "shut up" or better made them .... remain silent through all kinds of acts, like massive law suits, withdrawing any advertising contracts, issuing Persona non Grata... for foreign journalists - who dared

A picture book democrat he is....

and a much better salesman with an incredible repertoire of unseen trickery and ruthlessness... ah' well.. I know for you or your campaign he has to remain an angel - but more and more evidence does point into a very different image!

You will have to wait for the EVIDENCE to be produced!

So far some 130 Bank accounts, under suspicion aiding the funneling of money to finance the "uprising"

or where do you think did the money for te red Hooligans and the Black Knight came from?

Ah; yeah I know - as usually here from making good profits selling Som Tam and Kanom -

But most of the proceeds did come from winning the Lottery!

Ask anyone which was the winning number, for EVIDENCE! ;-)

the sample I used in my post was one to show how "honest" the "mistakes" the man tneds to make...

and to draw a conclusion how "honest" he might be, how "honest" anything he might say... might be...

This mazeltov, THIS is what it is all about CREDIBILITY!

Citizen of Montenegro?

Holding a montenegrin Passport?

Who is the Montenegrin PM?

What is Montenegro known for?

"honest mistakes" in choosing this Address, Nicaraguan PP, Nigerian maybe?

Mazeltov what are you trying to sell to the readers of this forum?

THAKSIN "Credibility?

Or that of is cronies...?

is it cabaret time?

another Bozo act?

"just a bit of PR for my master"?

are you so convinced because you are paid for it or are you fighting for the survival of your very own PR company in Montenegro?

:facedesk:

[whybother]

From your link earlier - Thai and English numbers

Thai Eng

เพื่อแผ่นดิน PUEA PAN DIN 32 32

ประชาธิปัตย์ DEMOCRAT 172 172

ประชาราช PRACHARAJ 8 8

ภูมิใจไทย BHUMJAITHAI 32 31 *

กิจสังคม SOCIAL ACTION 5 5

ชาติไทยพัฒนา CHART THAI PATTANA 25 25

เพื่อไทย PEAU THAI 189 185 *

มาตุภูมิ MATUBHUM 3 3

รวมชาติพัฒนา RUM CHART PATTANA 9 9

475 470

Government are Democrat, Puea Pan Din, Bhumjaithai, Social Action, Chart Thai, Rum Chart (275).

Peau Thai and Pracharaj are in opposition (197).

That leaves Matubhum who I assume are in opposition also.

5 party list seats were lost by the banned PPP party list MPs. (non-banned party list MPs from PPP are still MPs)

Thos efigures are likely not accurate in real terms. Peau Pandion split into factions when Abhisit became PM and some ar ein opposition and some in government. BJT today claimed it has 46 MPs loyal to it. Is that from by elections or does it include the Peau Thai MPs who vote with the government?

When PPP was disolved they lost all of their party list MPs who were execs and who couldnt be replaced. Other disolved parties also lost all of the execs and only execs in the constituency side could be replaced so I would be surprised if there were actually 475 MPs as that means only 5 MPs of the disolved parties were on the party list which seems low. The exact numebr and who is in which party and who outside of that is loyal to who seems quite confusing and secretive

Edited to add: and of course forgetting those who cant be bothered to even go to parliament

These are numbers from: http://mp.parliament.go.th/biographical/fr...PersonList.aspx (Thai and English list).

They also match numbers on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_polit...ies_in_Thailand except for Matubhum.

From everything I have seen, the PPP had 5 party list MPs that were executives and were banned. I saw a list of PPP executives on here a few weeks ago, and very few of them were actually MPs - most probably they were banned TRT MPs. There were 29 by-elections. I'm still looking for more info.

[Samuian]

You learn quickly, your master always told the people to shut up and that they don't have to have an opinion,

and will be sued if they don;t stop criticizing him.... he told the people simply to "shut up" or better made them .... remain silent through all kinds of acts, like massive law suits, withdrawing any advertising contracts, issuing Persona non Grata... for foreign journalists - who dared

A picture book democrat he is....

and a much better salesman with an incredible repertoire of unseen trickery and ruthlessness... ah' well.. I know for you or your campaign he has to remain an angel - but more and more evidence does point into a very different image!

You will have to wait for the EVIDENCE to be produced!

So far some 130 Bank accounts, under suspicion aiding the funneling of money to finance the "uprising"

or where do you think did the money for te red Hooligans and the Black Knight came from?

Ah; yeah I know - as usually here from making good profits selling Som Tam and Kanom -

But most of the proceeds did come from winning the Lottery!

Ask anyone which was the winning number, for EVIDENCE! ;-)

the sample I used in my post was one to show how "honest" the "mistakes" the man tneds to make...

and to draw a conclusion how "honest" he might be, how "honest" anything he might say... might be...

This mazeltov, THIS is what it is all about CREDIBILITY!

Citizen of Montenegro?

Holding a montenegrin Passport?

Who is the Montenegrin PM?

What is Montenegro known for?

"honest mistakes" in choosing this Address, Nicaraguan PP, Nigerian maybe?

Mazeltov what are you trying to sell to the readers of this forum?

THAKSIN "Credibility?

Or that of is cronies...?

is it cabaret time?

another Bozo act?

"just a bit of PR for my master"?

are you so convinced because you are paid for it or are you fighting for the survival of your very own PR company in Montenegro?

:facedesk:

well at least you can admit....

.....:faceit:...

!

[ballpoint]

These are numbers from: http://mp.parliament.go.th/biographical/fr...PersonList.aspx (Thai and English list).

They also match numbers on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_polit...ies_in_Thailand except for Matubhum.

From everything I have seen, the PPP had 5 party list MPs that were executives and were banned. I saw a list of PPP executives on here a few weeks ago, and very few of them were actually MPs - most probably they were banned TRT MPs. There were 29 by-elections. I'm still looking for more info.

Just look at the final votes from the censure debate. He still has the support of the majority of the elected representatives. He is still the legal PM of Thailand. If anyone wants to challenge him, and gets the support of the majority, then they will be the legal PM.

[hammered]

From your link earlier - Thai and English numbers

Thai Eng

เพื่อแผ่นดิน PUEA PAN DIN 32 32

ประชาธิปัตย์ DEMOCRAT 172 172

ประชาราช PRACHARAJ 8 8

ภูมิใจไทย BHUMJAITHAI 32 31 *

กิจสังคม SOCIAL ACTION 5 5

ชาติไทยพัฒนา CHART THAI PATTANA 25 25

เพื่อไทย PEAU THAI 189 185 *

มาตุภูมิ MATUBHUM 3 3

รวมชาติพัฒนา RUM CHART PATTANA 9 9

475 470

Government are Democrat, Puea Pan Din, Bhumjaithai, Social Action, Chart Thai, Rum Chart (275).

Peau Thai and Pracharaj are in opposition (197).

That leaves Matubhum who I assume are in opposition also.

5 party list seats were lost by the banned PPP party list MPs. (non-banned party list MPs from PPP are still MPs)

Thos efigures are likely not accurate in real terms. Peau Pandion split into factions when Abhisit became PM and some ar ein opposition and some in government. BJT today claimed it has 46 MPs loyal to it. Is that from by elections or does it include the Peau Thai MPs who vote with the government?

When PPP was disolved they lost all of their party list MPs who were execs and who couldnt be replaced. Other disolved parties also lost all of the execs and only execs in the constituency side could be replaced so I would be surprised if there were actually 475 MPs as that means only 5 MPs of the disolved parties were on the party list which seems low. The exact numebr and who is in which party and who outside of that is loyal to who seems quite confusing and secretive

Edited to add: and of course forgetting those who cant be bothered to even go to parliament

These are numbers from: http://mp.parliament.go.th/biographical/fr...PersonList.aspx (Thai and English list).

They also match numbers on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_polit...ies_in_Thailand except for Matubhum.

From everything I have seen, the PPP had 5 party list MPs that were executives and were banned. I saw a list of PPP executives on here a few weeks ago, and very few of them were actually MPs - most probably they were banned TRT MPs. There were 29 by-elections. I'm still looking for more info.

Guess it must be correct but cant explain those in PTP loyal to BJT and the break in Peau Pandin. There is apparently a group of up to 25 PTPers waiting to join BJT and the government Peau Pandiners may get booted. Quite confusing.

[whybother]

Guess it must be correct but cant explain those in PTP loyal to BJT and the break in Peau Pandin. There is apparently a group of up to 25 PTPers waiting to join BJT and the government Peau Pandiners may get booted. Quite confusing.

Maybe that's why the opposition did so poorly in the censure vote. The BJT loyal PTP MPs abstained or voted FOR the government. Maybe similarly for Peau Pandin.

[hammered]

Guess it must be correct but cant explain those in PTP loyal to BJT and the break in Peau Pandin. There is apparently a group of up to 25 PTPers waiting to join BJT and the government Peau Pandiners may get booted. Quite confusing.

Maybe that's why the opposition did so poorly in the censure vote. The BJT loyal PTP MPs abstained or voted FOR the government. Maybe similarly for Peau Pandin.

PTP had 11 abstain and 1 vote for government. Pandin had some abstain or vote against government. BJT want Peau Pandin out of the government so they must be sure they have some other support. Some of the PTP abstainers are faction leaders and quite powerful. It is starting to look like a realignment for the next election

[Insight]

:facedesk:

:arsonashoppingmall:

[mazeltov]

From your link earlier - Thai and English numbers

Thai Eng

เพื่อแผ่นดิน PUEA PAN DIN 32 32

ประชาธิปัตย์ DEMOCRAT 172 172

ประชาราช PRACHARAJ 8 8

ภูมิใจไทย BHUMJAITHAI 32 31 *

กิจสังคม SOCIAL ACTION 5 5

ชาติไทยพัฒนา CHART THAI PATTANA 25 25

เพื่อไทย PEAU THAI 189 185 *

มาตุภูมิ MATUBHUM 3 3

รวมชาติพัฒนา RUM CHART PATTANA 9 9

475 470

Government are Democrat, Puea Pan Din, Bhumjaithai, Social Action, Chart Thai, Rum Chart (275).

Peau Thai and Pracharaj are in opposition (197).

That leaves Matubhum who I assume are in opposition also.

5 party list seats were lost by the banned PPP party list MPs. (non-banned party list MPs from PPP are still MPs)

Thos efigures are likely not accurate in real terms. Peau Pandion split into factions when Abhisit became PM and some ar ein opposition and some in government. BJT today claimed it has 46 MPs loyal to it. Is that from by elections or does it include the Peau Thai MPs who vote with the government?

When PPP was disolved they lost all of their party list MPs who were execs and who couldnt be replaced. Other disolved parties also lost all of the execs and only execs in the constituency side could be replaced so I would be surprised if there were actually 475 MPs as that means only 5 MPs of the disolved parties were on the party list which seems low. The exact numebr and who is in which party and who outside of that is loyal to who seems quite confusing and secretive

Edited to add: and of course forgetting those who cant be bothered to even go to parliament

These are numbers from: http://mp.parliament.go.th/biographical/fr...PersonList.aspx (Thai and English list).

They also match numbers on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_polit...ies_in_Thailand except for Matubhum.

From everything I have seen, the PPP had 5 party list MPs that were executives and were banned. I saw a list of PPP executives on here a few weeks ago, and very few of them were actually MPs - most probably they were banned TRT MPs. There were 29 by-elections. I'm still looking for more info.

the 29 by-elections followed directly after the dissolution. But that weren't the only or the last by-election. there where more that came later and at least two where the PTP got lucky.

Chavalits move to the PTP was also followed by other new joiners to the PTP.

You would need a time line of the by-election and the results and from any source also when it was last updated.

the http://mp.parliament.go.th isn't that much reliable. There are a few names incorrect spelled, also in the thai version, which makes the full text search arggrrrr.

there are also switchers and MP who leaved the parliament. if the later have been from a not anymore existing Party list they will not get replaced (same reason as the banned party list MPs)

I don't know what will happen if a party list MP switches a party and quit the parliament later.

[jdinasia]

These are numbers from: http://mp.parliament.go.th/biographical/fr...PersonList.aspx (Thai and English list).

They also match numbers on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_polit...ies_in_Thailand except for Matubhum.

From everything I have seen, the PPP had 5 party list MPs that were executives and were banned. I saw a list of PPP executives on here a few weeks ago, and very few of them were actually MPs - most probably they were banned TRT MPs. There were 29 by-elections. I'm still looking for more info.

Just look at the final votes from the censure debate. He still has the support of the majority of the elected representatives. He is still the legal PM of Thailand. If anyone wants to challenge him, and gets the support of the majority, then they will be the legal PM.

Exactly --- a very simple and straightforward process.

The partylist EXECUTIVES that were not replaced from PPP, couldn't be replaced because of the nature of the system. The people affected by this are not the PPP supporters. The people affected by this are the BJT supporters. They aren't crying though.

The by elections saw former PPP MP slots taken up by other parties more than they were replaced by PTP candidates (out of 29 by-elections from the disbanding of PPP for PROVEN electoral fraud --- PTP pickd up only 5 MP's. In other words out of the 29 MP seats that had to have new elections PPP/PTP lost 24 ---)

[jayboy]

Bottom line - there is NO requirement or reason why Abhisit has to call an election. He is an elected MP and he was elected PM by the elected MPs. Whether there is "huge pressure" or not, he can call an election whenever he wants between now and December 2011.

I agree.There's no dispute about his constitutional right to hold out to the last possible moment.But he will lack a satisfactory democratic mandate the longer he leaves it.

[whybother]

Bottom line - there is NO requirement or reason why Abhisit has to call an election. He is an elected MP and he was elected PM by the elected MPs. Whether there is "huge pressure" or not, he can call an election whenever he wants between now and December 2011.

I agree.There's no dispute about his constitutional right to hold out to the last possible moment.But he will lack a satisfactory democratic mandate the longer he leaves it.

What is this "democratic mandate" and "voted for by the people" (you didn't say that, but others have in this argument)?

How is Abhisit's election to PM any different than any other Thai PM?

He was elected an MP by the people. He has majority support of the MPs, that gives him a democratic mandate to govern the country. He will have that democratic mandate until he calls an election. How does he lose that the longer he waits?

edit: and the earlier question - How do you say that Samak was "elected" but Abhisit was not "elected"?

Edited June 2, 2010 by whybother

[rabo]

Abhisit, his party, and elites dont stand a chance against Thaksin in major election.

The only way to 'win' for them is to dissolve PueaThai party once again - I'm sure it's easy to find reason to do that.

And if they cant find, make one up. They did that before and it worked well. ;p

Would your predictions be as accurate as the prediction of a million reds going to Bangkok?

And the 2,000 or so that finally returned?

[jdinasia]

Guess it must be correct but cant explain those in PTP loyal to BJT and the break in Peau Pandin. There is apparently a group of up to 25 PTPers waiting to join BJT and the government Peau Pandiners may get booted. Quite confusing.

Maybe that's why the opposition did so poorly in the censure vote. The BJT loyal PTP MPs abstained or voted FOR the government. Maybe similarly for Peau Pandin.

PTP had 11 abstain and 1 vote for government. Pandin had some abstain or vote against government. BJT want Peau Pandin out of the government so they must be sure they have some other support. Some of the PTP abstainers are faction leaders and quite powerful. It is starting to look like a realignment for the next election

I don't think many of us have expected the local leaders from places like SiSaket etc would stay with PTP in the next elections. I am surprised they didn't swing with Newin in 2008!