Thai Criminal Court Grants Bail To Jatuporn, Karun

[Buchholz]

More hot water for Jatuporn as the other newspaper is reporting that Jatuporn made a Red Shirt Guard Leader a member, as an adviser, to the House Committee on political development and mass communications. Based on Jatuporn's recommendation, Aree Krainara, was appointed to a paid position on the Committee. Aree is a leader of the Red Guards who is wanted on terrorism charges and has been on the run from the law since he fled after the May Mayhem 2010 debacle on May 19.

Yesterday at the House Committee meeting, Jatuporn defended his hiring of terrorist fugitive Red Shirt Guard Leader Aree Krainara to be an adviser as the appointment complied with the regulations for hiring House Committee staffers.

[TheyCallmeScooter]

Party politics is the only thing wrong with democratic forms of governance.

You'll have to take my word for it, but that statement is hilarious.

You can Google if you don't understand the hilarity.

[Robby nz]

Jatuporn said that contrary to general perception that some red-shirt leaders had made a lot of money from the protest, "in fact it's the betrayers abandoning the party and deceiving the red shirts who got rich".

Isnt thay pretty much what Methee said about some of the reds running off with the money?

Seems Jataporn isnt quite sure if he is denying or confirming.

[Buchholz]

Jatuporn said that contrary to general perception that some red-shirt leaders had made a lot of money from the protest, "in fact it's the betrayers abandoning the party and deceiving the red shirts who got rich".

Isnt thay pretty much what Methee said about some of the reds running off with the money?

Seems Jataporn isnt quite sure if he is denying or confirming.

That's exactly what Methee was revealing... but Jatuporn is understandably ruffled and flustered that his hiring a Red terrorist to the government payroll has now come to light and so it's easy for him to make more misstatements then he usually does.

[Buchholz]

The House Speaker announced today that 600 House committee staffers will undergo background checks in an effort to preclude the likes of a terrorist fugitive Red Shirt Guard Leader and an incarcerated terrorist Red Shirt Leader to be on the government payroll after appointment to those positions by Pheu Thai Party MP's.

[rubl]

The list of 600 people working with various House committees, for whom a quick background check is recommended, has been sent to chiefs of government and opposition whips to ensure fairness.

Edited October 21, 2010 by rubl

[hyperdimension]

I wonder if the results of the checks will be made fully public.

What proportion of the Pheu Thai party have criminal records?

[Buchholz]

Pheu Thai Party MP's Jatuporn and Karun

The two above and one below are the subjects of an impeachment attempt:

Pheu Thai Party MP Apiwan Wiriyachai

Multi-coloured shirts seek to impeach three Pheu Thai MPs

While we await their impeachment, the other paper says that the Jatuporn and Apiwan shown above are in Udon Thani at the latest Red Shirt Rally. They have joined in with the notoriously violent Love Udon Group and Thaksin gave one of his dubious phone-ins last night during which he said he would pluck the listeners from poverty in a short time while asking them to vote for PTP in the next election.

[Buchholz]

I read now that the Jatuporn/Apiwan Red Shirt Rally in Udon Thani was just part of a Pheu Thai Party campaign trip to the Northeast, which also had Chavalit in Sakon Nakhorn the day before telling the huge mass assembly of 300 supporters of Thaksin's concern over social, economic, and political problems in Thailand and that he can fix things through a variety of Thaksin-promulgated policies.

He went to urge the throng of a few hundred to vote for PTP candidates so that if they become the government they can exonerate Thaksin and so then he can return to Thailand.

Yep, the Thaksin = PTP = Red Shirt equation continues on unabated.

[Robby nz]

They have joined in with the notoriously violent Love Udon Group

Was in Udon a few weeks back and asked a friend (a teacher) if she had any problems with the reds.

Was told "We dont talk about them if someone hears and thinks you are saying anything against them you can get big trouble"

Seems there is a culture of intimidation up that way.

[hammered]

They have joined in with the notoriously violent Love Udon Group

Was in Udon a few weeks back and asked a friend (a teacher) if she had any problems with the reds.

Was told "We dont talk about them if someone hears and thinks you are saying anything against them you can get big trouble"

Seems there is a culture of intimidation up that way.

Not just in Udon. Democracy is impinged on by every side with heir intimidation and use of violent power cliques.

[Buchholz]

Pheu Thai Party MP's Jatuporn and Karun

The two above and one below are the subjects of an impeachment attempt:

Pheu Thai Party MP Apiwan Wiriyachai

Multi-coloured shirts seek to impeach three Pheu Thai MPs

While we await their impeachment, the other paper says that the Jatuporn and Apiwan shown above are in Udon Thani at the latest Red Shirt Rally. They have joined in with the notoriously violent Love Udon Group and Thaksin gave one of his dubious phone-ins last night during which he said he would pluck the listeners from poverty in a short time while asking them to vote for PTP in the next election.

While watching the various rantings on television channel MVTV last night, I noticed the completion of the trifecta.

In addition to the 2 above (Jatuporn & Apiwan) who spoke at the Red Shirt Rally in Udon Thani as earlier posted, the third PTP MP facing impeachment above (the diminutive Karun) was railing from the podium alongside Chavalit in Sakon Nakhorn.

Edited November 8, 2010 by Buchholz

[Buchholz]

excerpt from:

Thailand Live Thursday 18 Nov 2010

DSI Director-General Tharit Pengdit said...

The trials involving two Pheu Thai MPs, Jatuporn Promphan and Karun Hosakul, are already underway, he said.

In regard to the temporary release of Jatuporn, the DSI will seek to revoke his bail after the end of the House session on November 28, he said.

Jatuporn has been accused of threatening the safety of a prosecution witness, Maethee Amornwutthikul.

-- The Nation 2010-11-18

[jdinasia]

excerpt from:

Thailand Live Thursday 18 Nov 2010

http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__4032098

DSI Director-General Tharit Pengdit said...

The trials involving two Pheu Thai MPs, Jatuporn Promphan and Karun Hosakul, are already underway, he said.

In regard to the temporary release of Jatuporn, the DSI will seek to revoke his bail after the end of the House session on November 28, he said.

Jatuporn has been accused of threatening the safety of a prosecution witness, Maethee Amornwutthikul.

-- The Nation 2010-11-18

Am I the only one that thinks that Parliamentary Immunity should be revoked if you are threatening witnesses?

[rubl]

Am I the only one that thinks that Parliamentary Immunity should be revoked if you are threatening witnesses?

Parliamentary immunity is part of the checks & balances in a democracy. In most mature democracies rules & regulations have evolved as to when 'immunity' can be legally revoked. I don't think Thailand has reached that stage yet. Consequently let k. Jatuporn enjoy his freedom a wee bit longer.

[jdinasia]

Am I the only one that thinks that Parliamentary Immunity should be revoked if you are threatening witnesses?

Parliamentary immunity is part of the checks & balances in a democracy. In most mature democracies rules & regulations have evolved as to when 'immunity' can be legally revoked. I don't think Thailand has reached that stage yet. Consequently let k. Jatuporn enjoy his freedom a wee bit longer.

While Parliamentary immunity IS in fact what you claim, it does not excuse a lawmaker from perverting justice by witness tampering !

[animatic]

Am I the only one that thinks that Parliamentary Immunity should be revoked if you are threatening witnesses?

Parliamentary immunity is part of the checks & balances in a democracy. In most mature democracies rules & regulations have evolved as to when 'immunity' can be legally revoked. I don't think Thailand has reached that stage yet. Consequently let k. Jatuporn enjoy his freedom a wee bit longer.

While Parliamentary immunity IS in fact what you claim, it does not excuse a lawmaker from perverting justice by witness tampering !

It can, and should, be revoked by his fellow lawmakers.

That is another level of checks and balances.

[rubl]

Am I the only one that thinks that Parliamentary Immunity should be revoked if you are threatening witnesses?

Parliamentary immunity is part of the checks & balances in a democracy. In most mature democracies rules & regulations have evolved as to when 'immunity' can be legally revoked. I don't think Thailand has reached that stage yet. Consequently let k. Jatuporn enjoy his freedom a wee bit longer.

While Parliamentary immunity IS in fact what you claim, it does not excuse a lawmaker from perverting justice by witness tampering !

It doesn't excuse him, sure. Unfortunately in order to let democracy work / evolve without haressment from whoever sad excuses for MP like k. Jatuporn have to be endured for the moment. Don't worry there will come an end to his immunity, even if you may have to wait till later next year

The phrase 'better to let 99 guilty go than to let one innocent suffer' comes to mind, although it's not always easy to accept.

Edited November 18, 2010 by rubl

[jdinasia]

Am I the only one that thinks that Parliamentary Immunity should be revoked if you are threatening witnesses?

Parliamentary immunity is part of the checks & balances in a democracy. In most mature democracies rules & regulations have evolved as to when 'immunity' can be legally revoked. I don't think Thailand has reached that stage yet. Consequently let k. Jatuporn enjoy his freedom a wee bit longer.

While Parliamentary immunity IS in fact what you claim, it does not excuse a lawmaker from perverting justice by witness tampering !

It doesn't excuse him, sure. Unfortunately in order to let democracy work / evolve without haressment from whoever sad excuses for MP like k. Jatuporn have to be endured for the moment. Don't worry there will come an end to his immunity, even if you may have to wait till later next year

The phrase 'better to let 99 guilty go than to let one innocent suffer' comes to mind, although it's not always easy to accept.

Actually I don't think Parliamentary Immunity could be listed as a Pillar of Democracy. A lawmaker in many countries can be arrested at any point.

Parliament's session ends in November of this year (in 2 weeks I think). Then we'll see if they revoke his bail.

[Buchholz]

Worth noting that he is not out of jail based upon parliamentary immunity. That ended last June with the closing of the Parliament session then.

As per the OP he has been out on a cash bail since June 8th.

The other Red Leader Veera who is also out on a cash bail had a "cease and desist" condition for his bail (and lo and behold, we haven't heard squat from him in the months he's been out on bail).

Jatuporn, for some reason, doesn't seem to have that same condition on his bail, as he spews rants on a daily basis.

*Edited.

After reviewing the latest news, perhaps his cash bail can't be revoked while Parliament is in session. The session ends November 28.

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Edited November 18, 2010 by Buchholz

[jdinasia]

Worth noting that he is not out of jail based upon parliamentary immunity. That ended last June with the closing of the Parliament session then.

As per the OP he has been out on a cash bail since June 8th.

The other Red Leader Veera who is also out on a cash bail had a "cease and desist" condition for his bail (and lo and behold, we haven't heard squat from him in the months he's been out on bail).

Jatuporn, for some reason, doesn't seem to have that same condition on his bail, as he spews rants on a daily basis.

*Edited.

After reviewing the latest news, perhaps his cash bail can't be revoked while Parliament is in session. The session ends November 28.

.

I see that you are correct. However, since parliament is currently in session I do believe he would be afforded parliamentary immunity at this time. If not then his bail certainly should be revoked for witness tampering.

[Buchholz]

It's a

He said:

Former Thai Actor Methee Accuses Jatuporn Of Making Threat On His Life

She said:

Red-Shirt Leader Jatuporn To Sue Actor Methee For Defamation

Situation

[Buchholz]

Red Shirt leader urges no rescinding of his bail

BANGKOK, Nov 23 - Jatuporn Promporn, an inner circle leader of Thailand's anti-government Red Shirt movement, the so-called United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) filed a petition Tuesday with the Office of the Attorney General (OAG) calling for fair treatment in his terrorism case and urging the government agency to not withdraw his bail, according to a senior prosecutor.

Director-General Thanapit Moolapruek of the Attorney General's Office of Special Litigation said Mr Jatuporn and UDD lawyer Karom Poltaklang on Tuesday met him for 20 minutes and submited his petition calling for even-handed treatment after Department of Special Investigation (DSI) director-general Tharit Pengdit reportedly asked the Office of Attorney General (OAG) to consider revoking his bail for interfering with witnesses.

Mr Jatuporn's move came after former actor and Red Shirt member Methee Amornvuthikul asked the DSI to withdraw Mr Jatuporn's bail.

Now under a witness protection programme, Mr Methee said Mr Jatuporn had made a threatening call to him about his being a witness in a terrorism case against the UDD leaders.

Mr Jatuporn said he has not spoken with Mr Methee and challenged the DSI to provide evidence, including a sound clip, if there was something to prove he threatened Mr Methee by telephone. He said he was prepared to go to jail.

Mr Thanapit later said that Mr Jatuporn came to ask for fair treatment and the OAG has been fair to all parties. He added that until now the OAG had not received any letter from DSI seeking to rescind the bail for Mr Jatuporn.

Mr Jatuporn was one of the leaders of the UDD rally in downtown Bangkok during April and May.

The protest ended May 19 after the Red Shirt leaders announced the end of some ten weeks of protest and surrendered to police after bloody clashes with government forces. Most key protest leaders remain under detention with terrorism charges and bail was rejected for them as the court feared their possible flight.

Mr Jatuporn, an MP for the Puea Thai Party, was granted bail as he has parliamentary immunity.

-- TNA 2010-11-23

[Buchholz]

excerpt from:

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2010/11/24/national/Five-arrested-over-bomb-and-grenade-attacks-in-Ban-30143034.html

The Nation - November 24, 2010

Meanwhile, red shirt leader Jatuporn Promphan yesterday said he never threatened to harm another red shirt, former actor Methee Amornwutthikul, who is now a key Department of Special Investigation (DSI) witness, neither face-to-face nor over the phone, as Methee had claimed.

Pheu Thai MP Jatuporn was speaking after meeting yesterday with a senior prosecutor. The prosecutor will act soon, at the request of DSI Chief Tharit Phengdit, and appeal to the Criminal Court to no longer allow Jatuporn a temporary release from detention after the current parliamentary session ends.

The MP denied ever speaking to Methee, now under DSI witness protection after he was offered immunity from prosecution in exchange for testimony against Jatuporn and other red shirt leaders, for their alleged roles in funding and ordering terror attacks during the redshirt protests in May.

Jatuporn called on Tharit to produce evidence or audio clips of his words threatening to kill or harm Methee.

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[Buchholz]

^ Does Jatuporn think people record every phone call they receive?

or even more absurd, to address his "face-to-face" comment, does he think any one records every conversation they have?

Anyway, November 28 (end of Parliament session) is coming up soon. Time for him to join the other suspects in custody.

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[jdinasia]

^ Does Jatuporn think people record every phone call they receive?

or even more absurd, to address his "face-to-face" comment, does he think any one records every conversation they have?

Anyway, November 28 (end of Parliament session) is coming up soon. Time for him to join the other suspects in custody.

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If that happens it will be another great day in a so far really decent week for news Even the anti-yellows have nothing to complain about!

[hammered]

Jatuporn demanding audio/video clips to prove things is quite amusing consdiering the number that pop out of his sound lab and mixing studio.

[ianbaggie]

Meanwhile the UK and Aussie stooges rot in jail, sorry-o boys Thaksin does not give a flying fark about you halfwits.

FYI. it is the decision of Thai courts to grant bail or not. Thaksin have nothing to do with it.

how witty you are?

Can you prove that - I can certainly prove that Thaksin has given numerous handouts to his puppets in the past - pull your lip in and look at the "non red" facts - it is DISGUSTING that Juthaporn is not rotting in jail and still free to spread his bile and venom on the good people of bangkok - the best Christmas present I could wish for is that the same happens to HIM as happened to "Seh Daeng". Hope I get it Santa!!!

[jdinasia]

ianbaggie --- you do realize that you are responding to a 5+ month old post made by a banned member, right? He certainly cannot answer you from that membername

[Robby nz]

BANGKOK, Nov 23 - Jatuporn Promporn, an inner circle leader of Thailand's anti-government Red Shirt movement, the so-called United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) filed a petition Tuesday with the Office of the Attorney General (OAG) calling for fair treatment in his terrorism case and urging the government agency to not withdraw his bail, according to a senior prosecutor.

So he wants fair treatment right.

Lets make that fair and just.

To get that he would need to be locked up with the other red leaders.

Now that would be fair, no "double standards".

Isnt that one of the things he has been calling for?