Seh Daeng's Daughter: I Willl Lead Dad's Political Party

[Rucharee]

Stupid women, now she switch sides and opinions, I wonder how much this has cost Thaksin and his cronnies.

Please don't go around calling Thai women stupid. You are offending more than one.

[Rucharee]

What in her background qualifies her to head a political party?????? She's 29 years old, she's barely out of school. Get some real experience first before setting yourself up as the head of a political party.............................

She reminds me of Aung San Suu Kyi.

Aung San Suu Kyi father, Aung San, founded the modern Burmese army and negotiated Burma's independence from the United Kingdom in 1947; he was assassinated by his rivals in the same year. In the 1990 general election, Aung San Suu Kyi was elected Prime Minister.

I am sure Farang like you also laugur at Aung San Suu Kyi when she decided to enter politics.

[TheBarbarian]

Very good, there is obviously a need for clean politicians. Dirtier than those of The Democrat party and Bhumjaitai are unthinkable. But new blood is always better than all those established crooked political families from left to right in the Thai political landscape.

[rubl]

Very good, there is obviously a need for clean politicians. Dirtier than those of The Democrat party and Bhumjaitai are unthinkable. But new blood is always better than all those established crooked political families from left to right in the Thai political landscape.

You probably overlooked some, PT comes to mind.

[mazeltov]

What in her background qualifies her to head a political party?????? She's 29 years old, she's barely out of school. Get some real experience first before setting yourself up as the head of a political party.............................

Sure..........

When did the current PM enter politics and how old was he ???

Am I correct in thinking 27 ?

ph

Entering politics at an early age is no problem. Setting yourself up as head of a political party at that age seems less wise.

She keeps her job as lawyer, Abhisit never did anything else than to works at the Democrats head office, a 'job' his daddy arranged for him.

It is probably not her goal to become PM. but after the small and independent very personalist Khattiya(ขัตติยะ) Dharma Party lost its leader Maj Gen Khattiya(ขัตติยะ) , why should not his only daughter Khattiyaa(ขัตติยา) lead the Khattiya(ขัตติยะ) Dharma Party, which will be still a very personalist small and independent party.

Seh Daeng's mission was not to gain power and become the ruler, but to be somekind of 'watchdog' who keep a sharp eye on the powers that be.

[ianf]

What in her background qualifies her to head a political party?????? She's 29 years old, she's barely out of school. Get some real experience first before setting yourself up as the head of a political party.............................

She reminds me of Aung San Suu Kyi.

Aung San Suu Kyi father, Aung San, founded the modern Burmese army and negotiated Burma's independence from the United Kingdom in 1947; he was assassinated by his rivals in the same year. In the 1990 general election, Aung San Suu Kyi was elected Prime Minister.

I am sure Farang like you also laugur at Aung San Suu Kyi when she decided to enter politics.

Actually, there is no way that she can be compared to Aung San Suu Kyi.

However, I agree that anyone can lead a political party but people usually do so out of a personal conviction and deeply held belief, or a cause that is important to fight for. This young lady's father was an arrogant and violent man who did not seem to be at all at one with democracy or to have any understanding of how to run a serious political project. Perhaps as a lawyer, the daughter has a little more depth and a little less aggression. Or perhaps this emotional response will attract some sense in the near future. Who knows?

[givenall]

Can a rich Thai just be a rich Thai and stay out of Politics. I guess the dirty money is always dirty no matter how much it is laundered

[philw]

Entering politics at an early age is no problem. Setting yourself up as head of a political party at that age seems less wise.

She keeps her job as lawyer, Abhisit never did anything else than to works at the Democrats head office, a 'job' his daddy arranged for him.

It is probably not her goal to become PM. but after the small and independent very personalist Khattiya(ขัตติยะ) Dharma Party lost its leader Maj Gen Khattiya(ขัตติยะ) , why should not his only daughter Khattiyaa(ขัตติยา) lead the Khattiya(ขัตติยะ) Dharma Party, which will be still a very personalist small and independent party.

Seh Daeng's mission was not to gain power and become the ruler, but to be somekind of 'watchdog' who keep a sharp eye on the powers that be.

Good point and why not indeed.

It will be nicely ironic if she becomes a relevant political force.

That could shake things a bit.

I think it's reasonable to assume she will have some military, red shirts and possibly even some yellow followers. ( quite a disparate group )

Very early days but I see this as a very positive development IF she can make something happen.

It's interesting.

ph

[mazeltov]

What policies, if any, does this party have?

Why this party should have no policy?

Party mission statement

Priority Number One: Separate the powers of the police. Arrest is the police duty but not investigation. For the task of investigations set up a new and independent agency.

[philw]

Can a rich Thai just be a rich Thai and stay out of Politics. I guess the dirty money is always dirty no matter how much it is laundered

Why do you assume she is rich ??

ph

And why the slur about dirty money............Maybe you have a dirty mouth.( let me rephrase that, perhaps you need a wash )

Edited June 15, 2010 by philw

[SamritT]

Don't shoot her down. She could possibly be the 1st woman PM of Thailand.

[Colabamumbai]

Will she follow the same fate as her father? Do we have another Benzanir Bhutto here in Thailand. Will she also die by the bullet?

[YouYouYou]

Oh well, didn't personally like her father and what he stood for, but good luck to her. Some folk are bashing the 'woman' angle and some are ageist. Okay, She's 29, but she sounds quite smart and yes many politicians/politically motivated individuals do change their opinions and sides all around the world inc. the US and UK. So, really, whats wrong with her having a go at running a small political party??

Come on all, Thailand has been run for many many years by 'old crony men' and they've collectively done a crap job. Imho, this lady at 29 could be a breath of fresh air for Thailand and our current PM is wiser than many think. Me, I'm bored of the old clique runing the show ...guys like Toxin, Samak and Somchai should be a thing of the past so that this country can genuinely move forward ....out with the old and in with the new for me.

Go girl

[rabo]

Can a rich Thai just be a rich Thai and stay out of Politics. I guess the dirty money is always dirty no matter how much it is laundered

Why do you assume she is rich ??

ph

And why the slur about dirty money............Maybe you have a dirty mouth.( let me rephrase that, perhaps you need a wash )

I don't think she is rich, her father was not so successful in business, and he was bankrupt in some law suits by a couple of former police chiefs over some business deals. She does get his generous army pension for life, something that would not have happened had Seh Daeng been disbanded from the Army as discussed at one point. Anyway, here's a nice picture. From a Cambodian website Khmerization ážែ្មរូបនីយកម្ម: Seh Daeng: Profile of a warrior.

[roykeanz]

She can be proud of her father. He was a hero for many, not only red shirts. loyal to the king, Seh Daeng served the people. I have a deep respect for him.

When Dear want to become a politician, to stay independent from other parties is a good start. Her father was greater than politics, more decent than any politician. I hope she can keep Seh Daeng's spirit alive with the party.

Hey buddy, is this a joke post? Or have you been OD-ing on Sangsom?

This is all a case of a paid Bambi Deer in the Headlights! The stench of Thaky is all over this BS!

Where to start with this, erm ... thing!

She can be proud of her father .... Proud of what? All the deaths this bloodthirsty whackjob was directly and indirectly responsible for? 

He was a hero for many, not only red shirts. ... Only red shirts. And only the most rabid thereof at that  (including, mostly  Thaky and the other funders/manipulators of the Red terrorism, who were his puppet-masters!)

loyal to the K**g, ... Wake up!! Do you really not know what the obvious agenda of Thaky,  and his so-called 'Red Shirt' drones, really is? 

Seh Daeng served the people ... By the misnomer 'people', I presume you mean the individual person (though he considers himself more. Much more!) that is the Thai Hitler, Thaky plus his cronies!

I have a deep respect for him. ... Well, that says a lot more about you than him!

stay independent from other parties ... This is Thailand buddy! Ideals like this don't apply! She's going to be led/controlled by the current powerbroker and his moolah. Obviously, already is.

Her father was greater than politics ... Erm, damning with very faint praise indeed. Except, you seemingly failed to notice one teeny weeny fact. It is this psycho's own party that Dear Deer Bambi is about to be the figurehead for!!

more decent than any politician .... Erm, again damning with very faint praise indeed. However, I can scarcely think of any politician in recent history - this side of Nazi Germany - less 'decent' (in any conventional understanding of the term) than this bloodthirsty psycho!

I hope she can keep Seh Daeng's spirit alive with the party. ... I don't. Neither would any vaguely sane person!

[MikeOboe57]

Looks like the start of a very promising political career.

This amazing young lady has already shown that she would not hesitate to flush her political beliefs down the drain should another opportunity arise.

And with a dozen top brass redshirts either in jail, in hiding or just out on "parole" there are surely more vacancies to be filled up the red foodchain than on the yellow or government side.

A very smart move, but I doubt Thailand will benefit from it.

Regards

EDIT: typo

Edited June 15, 2010 by MikeOboe57

[givenall]

Can a rich Thai just be a rich Thai and stay out of Politics. I guess the dirty money is always dirty no matter how much it is laundered

Why do you assume she is rich ??

ph

And why the slur about dirty money............Maybe you have a dirty mouth.( let me rephrase that, perhaps you need a wash )

As they say the fruit don’t fall too far from the tree:rolleyes:

[philw]

Can a rich Thai just be a rich Thai and stay out of Politics. I guess the dirty money is always dirty no matter how much it is laundered

Why do you assume she is rich ??

ph

And why the slur about dirty money............Maybe you have a dirty mouth.( let me rephrase that, perhaps you need a wash )

As they say the fruit don’t fall too far from the tree:rolleyes:

Sorry,I know it's difficult but could you please try again, I'm not sure many of us can understand that.

But you are probably correct in that durian does smell like durian.

ph

[roamer]

As I read this I'm also hearing on TV that the long awaited report on "Bloody Sunday" in Northern Ireland in 1972 has finally been published and finds the Army opened fire on unarmed civilians and the killings were unjustified. Almost 40 years on N.Ireland is a very different place. I'm mindful of the fact that Bloody Sunday proved to be the best recruiting sergeant the IRA ever had and demonstrators became insurgents. People who we named as terrorists are now in Government in the highest positions. Thailand has a path to travel and I'm one of the least optimistic people on its future but who is to say that this young woman can't have a major part to play in it ?

[philw]

As I read this I'm also hearing on TV that the long awaited report on "Bloody Sunday" in Northern Ireland in 1972 has finally been published and finds the Army opened fire on unarmed civilians and the killings were unjustified. Almost 40 years on N.Ireland is a very different place. I'm mindful of the fact that Bloody Sunday proved to be the best recruiting sergeant the IRA ever had and demonstrators became insurgents. People who we named as terrorists are now in Government in the highest positions. Thailand has a path to travel and I'm one of the least optimistic people on its future but who is to say that this young woman can't have a major part to play in it ?

Very prescient points.

Who knows how this will unfold over the next few years.

Thank you for a good post.

philw

[Rinrada]

Good luck to the lassie..the future of Thailand is wide open.....

[Bagwan]

She should change the party name to M-79 party.

Stop making fun here. Loosing a father is not a laughing matter.

I admire her courage, especially for a little Thai girl like her. How many Thai women have you seen that manage to pull together in times like this.

A little Thai girl? Ar the age of 29? Let us hope that she grows up soon then..

By labelling this fully grown woman, who is a lawyer BTW, 'a little girl' you have provided those against the full emancipation of women with ammunition and damaged your own credibility..  

[tw25rw]

As I read this I'm also hearing on TV that the long awaited report on "Bloody Sunday" in Northern Ireland in 1972 has finally been published and finds the Army opened fire on unarmed civilians and the killings were unjustified. Almost 40 years on N.Ireland is a very different place. I'm mindful of the fact that Bloody Sunday proved to be the best recruiting sergeant the IRA ever had and demonstrators became insurgents. People who we named as terrorists are now in Government in the highest positions. Thailand has a path to travel and I'm one of the least optimistic people on its future but who is to say that this young woman can't have a major part to play in it ?

Except that the Irish troubles were a separatist war between 2 distinct communities. The red shirt movement a rather looser coalition apparently held together by a financial incentive. Stop the money flow and there won't be much of a movement left.

[tw25rw]

It is a well known fact that his daughter is/was a yellow shirt supporter. Google it. Could it be the scent of money from Montenegro that is motivating her?

Either that... or perhaps the fact that her father was murdered??? Jeez!

What she says in the interview is very composed IMO. I see great potential.

Murder?

He was a senior army officer conducting a (para)military operation. He knew the score.

[mazeltov]

Can a rich Thai just be a rich Thai and stay out of Politics. I guess the dirty money is always dirty no matter how much it is laundered

Why do you assume she is rich ??

ph

And why the slur about dirty money............Maybe you have a dirty mouth.( let me rephrase that, perhaps you need a wash )

I don't think she is rich, her father was not so successful in business, and he was bankrupt in some law suits by a couple of former police chiefs over some business deals. She does get his generous army pension for life, something that would not have happened had Seh Daeng been disbanded from the Army as discussed at one point.

Bankrupt in business? law suits over some business deals?

half true. Seh daeng wasn't into shady business activities, he only obtained his salary as Maj General. but he has a debts of 20 million. How comes?

Anyone remembers that in the middle of the night mafia style Sukhumvit Square demolition The demolition was illegal, but the way of choice to remove the tenants quick. A lot of people suspected that some higher ups BiB were involved.

Our hero Seh Daeng had the same thoughts and pointed the finger at some of these police chiefs, he also accused them of other graft cases.

well claiming that the BiB are up to no good is defamation and libel, so the he got sued for his words. as result he got a pay Bt20 million libel suit bill.

The Civil Court yesterday ordered a prominent army officer to pay former national police commissioner Sant Sarutanond Bt20 million in defamation damages.

The court found Maj-General Kattiya Sawatdipol had damaged the reputation of former commissioner Sant.

Kattiya, an Internal Security Operation Command officer, said he would appeal the ruling. He asserted he was within his Constitutional rights to seek the removal of Sant. It was that action that prompted Sant to sue Kattiya for defamation in October 2004.

...

The court said it found Kattiya damaged Sant's reputation by launching a signature campaign in late 2003 seeking to have Sant removed from his post.

Kattiya must also pay interest on the Bt20 million at the rate of 7.5 per cent per year from the day the action was filed and until restitution is completed.

Kattiya must also publish the court's ruling in major daily newspapers for three consecutive days. And he was ordered to pay the plaintiff's legal costs.

The Isoc officer commenced his campaign to have Sant removed as commissioner of the national police in September 2003 by approaching then Senate President Manoonkrit Roopkachorn with his intention to collect the mandatory 50,000 signatures from the public.

Kattiya alleged Sant was a corrupt official and, among other things, was implicated along with former massage-parlour tycoon Chuwit Kamolvisit in the illegal dawn demolition of an entertainment area called Sukhumvit Square in January of 2003.

Kattiya has waged a long-running battle with Sant and made several allegations against him when he was police chief, including wrongful arrest and intimidation.

Civil Court says Sant was defamed

wow, starting a signature campaign can be expensive, same as saying something bad about the BiB. be careful what you say.

Not the only time that Seh Daeng was sued by police officers and he got sentenced in few cases also also to jail, for example 4 month for criticizing a police chief regarding to his crackdown on gambling dens and later for one year, or for 2x6month for claiming the police produce false evidence and runs a casino.. or six months in prison for blaming Sant to be involved in the extra-judicial killings related to the war-on-drugs.

Libel and defamation are criminal offenses in Thailand. Seh Daeng a criminal? all rulings being appealed and nothing yet got finalized.

[daboyz1]

Can a rich Thai just be a rich Thai and stay out of Politics. I guess the dirty money is always dirty no matter how much it is laundered

Why do you assume she is rich ??

ph

And why the slur about dirty money............Maybe you have a dirty mouth.( let me rephrase that, perhaps you need a wash )

I don't think she is rich, her father was not so successful in business, and he was bankrupt in some law suits by a couple of former police chiefs over some business deals. She does get his generous army pension for life, something that would not have happened had Seh Daeng been disbanded from the Army as discussed at one point.

Bankrupt in business? law suits over some business deals?

half true. Seh daeng wasn't into shady business activities, he only obtained his salary as Maj General. but he has a debts of 20 million. How comes?

Anyone remembers that in the middle of the night mafia style Sukhumvit Square demolition The demolition was illegal, but the way of choice to remove the tenants quick. A lot of people suspected that some higher ups BiB were involved.

Our hero Seh Daeng had the same thoughts and pointed the finger at some of these police chiefs, he also accused them of other graft cases.

well claiming that the BiB are up to no good is defamation and libel, so the he got sued for his words. as result he got a pay Bt20 million libel suit bill.

The Civil Court yesterday ordered a prominent army officer to pay former national police commissioner Sant Sarutanond Bt20 million in defamation damages.

The court found Maj-General Kattiya Sawatdipol had damaged the reputation of former commissioner Sant.

Kattiya, an Internal Security Operation Command officer, said he would appeal the ruling. He asserted he was within his Constitutional rights to seek the removal of Sant. It was that action that prompted Sant to sue Kattiya for defamation in October 2004.

...

The court said it found Kattiya damaged Sant's reputation by launching a signature campaign in late 2003 seeking to have Sant removed from his post.

Kattiya must also pay interest on the Bt20 million at the rate of 7.5 per cent per year from the day the action was filed and until restitution is completed.

Kattiya must also publish the court's ruling in major daily newspapers for three consecutive days. And he was ordered to pay the plaintiff's legal costs.

The Isoc officer commenced his campaign to have Sant removed as commissioner of the national police in September 2003 by approaching then Senate President Manoonkrit Roopkachorn with his intention to collect the mandatory 50,000 signatures from the public.

Kattiya alleged Sant was a corrupt official and, among other things, was implicated along with former massage-parlour tycoon Chuwit Kamolvisit in the illegal dawn demolition of an entertainment area called Sukhumvit Square in January of 2003.

Kattiya has waged a long-running battle with Sant and made several allegations against him when he was police chief, including wrongful arrest and intimidation.

Civil Court says Sant was defamed

wow, starting a signature campaign can be expensive, same as saying something bad about the BiB. be careful what you say.

Not the only time that Seh Daeng was sued by police officers and he got sentenced in few cases also also to jail, for example 4 month for criticizing a police chief regarding to his crackdown on gambling dens and later for one year, or for 2x6month for claiming the police produce false evidence and runs a casino.. or six months in prison for blaming Sant to be involved in the extra-judicial killings related to the war-on-drugs.

Libel and defamation are criminal offenses in Thailand. Seh Daeng a criminal? all rulings being appealed and nothing yet got finalized.

Very interesting. Never thought I'd see Chuwit and Seh Daeng on the same side of an argument.

[eggomaniac]

Sure hope she don't harbor the "rogue, you can't touch me" traits of her father. To be an active duty general officer and completely ignore the orders of superiors. In the west if any active duty rank did that they would be arrested and court marshaled triple ASAP! Hopefully, her mom's DNA balanced out the her dad's rogue, self destructive traits. I wish her the best.

As I have Posted a dozen times, the yellows gave the reds 'martyrs'. First semester military strategy manual, Chapter 7, avoid, as a priority, giving the enemy martyrs. They become stronger than when they were alive.

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The WEST , <deleted>! Name one country in the West, just ONE1, where a disgruntled financial backer of a crooked PM, [disgruntled because his financial dealings with the corrupt Thaksin were coming to light] could form an anti Government movement and get as far the roads leading to an International Airport, let alone complete what is Internationally recognised as a terrorist act, the complete disruption of 2 airports, and not be in jail for decades. NAME ONE.

Would Canada, Britain, Germany, France, America abide Cabinet Ministers to maintain their posts after commandeering and disturbing foreign victims?

If you want to talk about the west, talk about the West in a balanced perspective! sheesh [the west would .... DUH]

If you read Western news, not just the censored outlets they allow in LOS, you would know that Sondhi not in jail = Thailand looks one step above Tribal.

Put Thaksin and Sondhi in the same jail = Thailand looks civilised.

NOBODY in Canada could ever do to an airport what Sondhi did. They would be arrested in their basements on planning terrorism charges.

It's like this in Thailand> They call a contractor the windows in the house are defective, they are 'losing face' with the neighbors. The Red Seal Carpenter explains the problem is termites have weakened supports and a recent earthquake made the foundation shaky.

They say, we would lose 'more face' if the neighbors knew that, just fix the windows so everything will be back to Abnormal.

I LOVE the potential Thailand has, however, until the realisation is attained how really, really, really pathetic the political structure is, the house is not going to stand up to another storm, for example, an election.

"Things are back to normal" is NOT bragging rights, it's an admission of failure.

Class struggle is only a minor part of the problem in Thailand; the yellow and red tug of war for the [sic]elected[sic] seats of corruption is what will see the Kingdom break up into 3 or 4 countries.

Anybody with an IQ over 87 can guess When the South is grouping to make its move! If they were exceptionally bright, they would have pretended to be stupid through recent events and made some random skirmishes, testing the fences and backing off. Their amazing silence has us sniff hounds looking right at their visions.

If Thailand canNOT really, really, really smarten up, they should call in North Korean and Burmese advisors to show them to do it up proper. Forget this SPLIT personality we are OPEN we are CLOSED dumbplomacy!

[Ricardo]

Good luck to the lassie..the future of Thailand is wide open.....

Ditto, we keep calling for younger new leaders to emerge, and she might become one, she's surely got to be better than ancient regional/feudal-dinosaurs or discredited TRT-loyalist hacks.

So she used to lean towards the PAD, and is now leading a party created by a die-hard loyalist nutter, of the red-blooded variety. If she can ride that tiger, then good luck to her !

[mazeltov]

Very interesting. Never thought I'd see Chuwit and Seh Daeng on the same side of an argument.

on the same side? what you mean?

They aren't. Seh Daeng called Chuwit "a person who makes a living from other people's tears, and a pimp"

While Chuwit maybe same as Seh Daeng criticized the Police for corruption, is Chuwit probably also somebody who paid brides to the police and was also accused that he did so in the demolition affair.

above i linked to an article about an court decisions that dismissed charges against Chuwit, insufficient evidence said the court and it was dark at night so it was impossible to identify anybody. That doesn't mean that Chuwit was evidently not involved and behind the demolition.

Sant Sarutanond as police chief the head of the investigation that didn't came, so Seh Daeng, forward with the right findings but protected the real culprits.

Chuwit, was the prime suspect, because of his ownership. to remove the tenant with legal actions and court rulings would had take long time, so the bulldozer came.

for a recap. The Nation, January 28, 2003 SUKHUMVIT BAR DEMOLITIONS: PM condemns 'mafia'

[daboyz1]

Very interesting. Never thought I'd see Chuwit and Seh Daeng on the same side of an argument.

on the same side? what you mean?

They aren't. Seh Daeng called Chuwit "a person who makes a living from other people's tears, and a pimp"

While Chuwit maybe same as Seh Daeng criticized the Police for corruption, is Chuwit probably also somebody who paid brides to the police and was also accused that he did so in the demolition affair.

above i linked to an article about an court decisions that dismissed charges against Chuwit, insufficient evidence said the court and it was dark at night so it was impossible to identify anybody. That doesn't mean that Chuwit was evidently not involved and behind the demolition.

Sant Sarutanond as police chief the head of the investigation that didn't came, so Seh Daeng, forward with the right findings but protected the real culprits.

Chuwit, was the prime suspect, because of his ownership. to remove the tenant with legal actions and court rulings would had take long time, so the bulldozer came.

for a recap. The Nation, January 28, 2003 SUKHUMVIT BAR DEMOLITIONS: PM condemns 'mafia'

Same side as in against Kant. Just because Seh Daeng didn't like Chuwit, doesn't mean they both didn't immensely dislike the cops. I'll try to be clearer next time. Hence the statement I made.