Thaksin And 24 Reds To Face Indictment For Terrorism

[difos57]

I hope the law here actually carries out some serious sentencing. Sooner the better...

Do you really believe that or are you just winding things up ???

You obviously are not playing with a full deck. If you were in the country, how could you not see or hear how the reds were terrorizing Thailand?

[philw]

I hope the law here actually carries out some serious sentencing. Sooner the better...

Do you really believe that or are you just winding things up ???

You obviously are not playing with a full deck. If you were in the country, how could you not see or hear how the reds were terrorizing Thailand?

I'm in Chiangmai, where are you ???

What happens if red leaders are convicted and get life or death sentences ??

[Vertical]

Good news at last. So much about being a mule to some corrupt figure.

CHAYOO!!

[difos57]

I hope the law here actually carries out some serious sentencing. Sooner the better...

Do you really believe that or are you just winding things up ???

You obviously are not playing with a full deck. If you were in the country, how could you not see or hear how the reds were terrorizing Thailand?

I'm in Chiangmai, where are you ???

What happens if red leaders are convicted and get life or death sentences ??

Yes, what happens? Enlighten us!

[philw]

Good news at last. So much about being a mule to some corrupt figure.

CHAYOO!!

Why are you so rude ??

Did you not learn any manners from your parents ?

[SamritT]

Well done DSI. Keep it up. Put Thaksin in jail.

[march]

In addition to Thaksin, the DSI list of suspects included

Jatuporn Promphan

Jatuporn sues Democrat MP, newspaper editor, company for libel

BANGKOK, 30 July 2010 (NNT) – The Criminal Court has accepted a libel suit filed by Pheu Thai MP Jatuporn Promphan against two persons and one company, setting the first trial session on 4 October 2010.

Jatuporn lodged a defamation suit with the Criminal Court against Democrat Party MP for Bangkok Watchara Phetthong, Mr Taweesin Sathitrattanacheewin, editor of Thai Post newspaper, and Sarn Su Anakot Co, Ltd.

The court accepted the case for deliberation and scheduled the first testimony on 4 October.

According to the allegation, Mr Watchara gave an interview with the press at Government House on 24 September 2009, commenting that Jatuporn did not deserve to stay as an MP and should return his earnings to the state.

The plaintiff also claimed that he was accused of telling lies and acting on behalf of self-exiled former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra.

http://thainews.prd.go.th/en/news.php?id=255307300038

Edited July 30, 2010 by march

[march]

The plaintiff also claimed that he was accused of telling lies and acting on behalf of self-exiled former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra.

Should be very easy enough for the newspaper et al to defend that. So easy enough in fact that I wonder if perhaps that blood spewing incident didn't somehow adversely affect Jatuporn neurologically in that he actually thinks he could actually be successful in suing any one for any thing libelous about him.

[Democrat]

Well done DSI. Keep it up. Put Thaksin in jail.

As well as those couple of other PTP's and a couple of Democrats and that bhumjai, and the people who towed the rohingya out to see, and the people who had the innocent killed in the war on drugs, and the people authorising the return of the hmong, and the murderers of the foreigners, red shirts, army personell, seh daeng etc. and the people with extra assets. We could start a whole forum on the injusticesor blatant differences. Before it was ok the rich and the poor. This time it is rich against rich and all sides will use the poor for there own advantage, with no thoughts or regrets for anyone but themselves. Hopefully Karma will get each and everyone of them.

[philw]

Well done DSI. Keep it up. Put Thaksin in jail.

As well as those couple of other PTP's and a couple of Democrats and that bhumjai, and the people who towed the rohingya out to see, and the people who had the innocent killed in the war on drugs, and the people authorising the return of the hmong, and the murderers of the foreigners, red shirts, army personell, seh daeng etc. and the people with extra assets. We could start a whole forum on the injusticesor blatant differences. Before it was ok the rich and the poor. This time it is rich against rich and all sides will use the poor for there own advantage, with no thoughts or regrets for anyone but themselves. Hopefully Karma will get each and everyone of them.

Agree and think you are right.

Kharma will get them, but possibly not in this life.

[OctavianCaesar]

Can anyone here supporting the charges of terrorism actually provide any proof whatsoever that the men charged are linked with actual terrorist acts? I heard the government can't, so I'd like to see what a bunch of net posters come up with.

Or are we all supporting the illegitimate prosecution of individuals due to their political affiliations again? A breach of human rights, again.

[ovaltina]

They, Thaksin & the Red Mob leaders, funded, bribed and feverishly encouraged others to march upon & commit arson in a densely populated area using explosive devices, sharp implements and firearms.

That makes them complicit in mass-murder. That makes them mass-murderers.

Edited July 31, 2010 by ovaltina

[OctavianCaesar]

They, Thaksin & the Red Mob leaders, funded, bribed and feverishly encouraged others to march upon & commit arson in a densely populated area using explosive devices, sharp implements and firearms.

That makes them complicit in mass-murder. That makes them mass-murderers.

I don't think Thaksin buying a few hundred sacks of rice for protesters constitutes a crime of terrorism.

No such acts of arson were carried out under the orders Red shirt leaders. At the time the Central World incident happened, the Red leaders had surrendered to police and instructed their followers to disperse. The arson attacks were carried out by leaderless individuals no doubt in anger that they'd just seen their comrades slaughtered.

That the mass murder took place before the arson attacks (aside the unarmed 6 individuals shot by snipers in the temple), it's hard to put any sense to what you claim. Let's not forget it was the government and military who authorized the mass murder and carried it out, not Thaksin or any Red leaders.

I'd also challenge you to provide any actual evidence to your claim in the first line. Simply saying something does not make it plausible,.

[whybother]

They, Thaksin & the Red Mob leaders, funded, bribed and feverishly encouraged others to march upon & commit arson in a densely populated area using explosive devices, sharp implements and firearms.

That makes them complicit in mass-murder. That makes them mass-murderers.

I don't think Thaksin buying a few hundred sacks of rice for protesters constitutes a crime of terrorism.

No such acts of arson were carried out under the orders Red shirt leaders. At the time the Central World incident happened, the Red leaders had surrendered to police and instructed their followers to disperse. The arson attacks were carried out by leaderless individuals no doubt in anger that they'd just seen their comrades slaughtered.

That the mass murder took place before the arson attacks (aside the unarmed 6 individuals shot by snipers in the temple), it's hard to put any sense to what you claim. Let's not forget it was the government and military who authorized the mass murder and carried it out, not Thaksin or any Red leaders.

I'd also challenge you to provide any actual evidence to your claim in the first line. Simply saying something does not make it plausible,.

You missed all the speeches by the red shirt leaders talking about bringing petrol to burn down Bangkok?

[way2muchcoffee]

What a prolific poster you are Octavian. 30 Posts of pure propaganda. 1 day on the forum. Not a single item of personal information on your profile. Seems very odd to me. I wonder which banned poster you are.

Edited July 31, 2010 by way2muchcoffee

[slapout]

Caesar; Uncountably you did not watch or listen to the Red shirt television which was a propaganda platform leading up to the Bangkok demonstration/riots. The funded, bribed part can be argued, until and when the proof is made public (that is being worked on). The feverishly encouraged part, is a matter of public record and its probably safe to say recorded for for the record.

Are you a recent recruit or do you not have access to the public ramblings, screeching of those you seem to want to defend?

[OctavianCaesar]

What a prolific poster you are Octavian. 30 Posts of pure propaganda. 1 day on the forum. Not a single item of personal information on your profile. Seems very odd to me. I wonder which banned poster you are.

You're free to challenge anything I say, unlike I'd be free to say this in the Thai media.

[IvanDobsky]

They, Thaksin & the Red Mob leaders, funded, bribed and feverishly encouraged others to march upon & commit arson in a densely populated area using explosive devices, sharp implements and firearms.

That makes them complicit in mass-murder. That makes them mass-murderers.

I don't think Thaksin buying a few hundred sacks of rice for protesters constitutes a crime of terrorism.

No such acts of arson were carried out under the orders Red shirt leaders. At the time the Central World incident happened, the Red leaders had surrendered to police and instructed their followers to disperse. The arson attacks were carried out by leaderless individuals no doubt in anger that they'd just seen their comrades slaughtered.

That the mass murder took place before the arson attacks (aside the unarmed 6 individuals shot by snipers in the temple), it's hard to put any sense to what you claim. Let's not forget it was the government and military who authorized the mass murder and carried it out, not Thaksin or any Red leaders.

I'd also challenge you to provide any actual evidence to your claim in the first line. Simply saying something does not make it plausible,.

never mind that the reds had a month to disperse

never mind that they attacked the police and army

never mind that they targeted and assassinated four army officers

if that protest had been in Paris, London or Washington, it would have been broken up on the first or second day and not the second month.

The Thai government was way too soft.

[animatic]

Three days back it was 26 suspects , now they've indicted 24, plus the chief bozo, what happened to the other 2, I guess they are still being investigated , i smell a rat .

26 suspects

24 indicted

+1 chief bozo

= 25

1 was killed (Maj General Khattiya "Seh Daeng" Sawasiphol )

= 26

Major-General Khattiya Sawasdipol, alias Seh Daeng, who was on the original list of 26 suspects, was shot dead at a demonstration site on May 15.

Looked more like premeditated an unarmed men.

Murder, apologies for adding to your post but think you accidentally omitted the key word.

He was murdered in full and public view.

No comment yet from the Gov't etc.......

He was armed, unless you think a pistol is unarmed.

Seh Daeng, was in many ways a victim, of both the situation he put himself in willingly,

his ego, and his beliefs. But also of his masters, his loose cannon mouth, and the fear

that his presence and aims was causing for many others. We likely will never know exactly

who did this and why . But it has all the appearances of one pro being removed from the scene

by another pro.

In no way was he an innocent man.

He knew the score and made his choices.

Edited July 31, 2010 by animatic

[Samuian]

Terrorism, yes, that is the correct charge. Hope they can make it stick.

Any suggestions on what should happen if ( when ) there is a conviction ??

Death, Life or commuted ??

Consequences for Thai society ??

We are on a very dangerous road, I think.

Wasn't he the one who started this?

my suggestion: Camera silens (and enough time to reflect on this)

[OctavianCaesar]

Caesar; Uncountably you did not watch or listen to the Red shirt television which was a propaganda platform leading up to the Bangkok demonstration/riots. The funded, bribed part can be argued, until and when the proof is made public (that is being worked on). The feverishly encouraged part, is a matter of public record and its probably safe to say recorded for for the record.

Are you a recent recruit or do you not have access to the public ramblings, screeching of those you seem to want to defend?

This'll be my last post here, as we're off topic.

It's not illegal to fund protests, so why do people keep saying? The Reds may have tried to hide their funding, as people did not want the mistake of people thinking they were protesting for Thaksin, when actually it's way beyond that. They have a legitimate arguement.

The government has blocked some 50,000 web sites recently and closed down not only Red shirt TV channel, but also some independant news has gone off the air. Destroying all opposition forms of opposing view; how can you complain about Red propaganda in this comparison?

It's easy for anyone to label anything as propaganda when they do not agree with the message being spread and they believe the message is designed to inspire people, but that does not make it so. I've not seen any Red propaganda like that used in the PAD media which is in some cases outright racist and threatening to its neighbours, also. The Red "propaganda" I have seen only encourages people to fight for their freedom. Hardly criminal. I'd challenge you to provide links (visible within Thailand) that verify malicous propaganda by the Reds. Best you PM me if you do, though, as we're off topic.

There are no public ramblings anymore, you may pay to note. Public political expression in opposition of the government has been banned whilst pro government protesters remain free to do what they will - a breach of human rights being it illegal to exploit laws in a fashion that descriminates individuals based solely on their political affiliations.

It may also pay to note, one of the Red demands in the protest was an INDEPENDANT body be set up to monitor all Thai media and ensure information being passed is accurate. This is not the actions of a group who derive power from misinformation. Abhisit originally considered the proposal, but also added his defence for his PAD propaganda that although the body should exist, "constructive" media should also remain. Why would he say this? Because he thrives on misinformation.

[way2muchcoffee]

Yes. Let's take over a large area in the city center, prevent freedom of movement, assault people trying go to work or home, and perform illegal search and seizures under force of arms. Let's burn Bangkok, don't worry if some of those buildings are occupied. Let's assassinate (or attempt to assassinate) the PM, other politicians, and military commanders. Let's kidnap executives to show our determination. Let's storm a hospital, or two, or three, never mind the health care workers and those people who are convalescing. Let's attack soldiers and police with weapons, both modern and primitive. Let's use grenades to attack various targets in a sustained campaign lasting for months on end. Let's hold a neighborhood hostage under thread of immolation by a fuel tanker. Let's wreak havoc on public transportation. Let's bomb innocent civilians.

Do it for your freedom. Do it now!

Edited July 31, 2010 by way2muchcoffee

[whybother]

Caesar; Uncountably you did not watch or listen to the Red shirt television which was a propaganda platform leading up to the Bangkok demonstration/riots. The funded, bribed part can be argued, until and when the proof is made public (that is being worked on). The feverishly encouraged part, is a matter of public record and its probably safe to say recorded for for the record.

Are you a recent recruit or do you not have access to the public ramblings, screeching of those you seem to want to defend?

This'll be my last post here, as we're off topic.

It's not illegal to fund protests, so why do people keep saying? The Reds may have tried to hide their funding, as people did not want the mistake of people thinking they were protesting for Thaksin, when actually it's way beyond that. They have a legitimate arguement.

The government has blocked some 50,000 web sites recently and closed down not only Red shirt TV channel, but also some independant news has gone off the air. Destroying all opposition forms of opposing view; how can you complain about Red propaganda in this comparison?

It's easy for anyone to label anything as propaganda when they do not agree with the message being spread and they believe the message is designed to inspire people, but that does not make it so. I've not seen any Red propaganda like that used in the PAD media which is in some cases outright racist and threatening to its neighbours, also. The Red "propaganda" I have seen only encourages people to fight for their freedom. Hardly criminal. I'd challenge you to provide links (visible within Thailand) that verify malicous propaganda by the Reds. Best you PM me if you do, though, as we're off topic.

There are no public ramblings anymore, you may pay to note. Public political expression in opposition of the government has been banned whilst pro government protesters remain free to do what they will - a breach of human rights being it illegal to exploit laws in a fashion that descriminates individuals based solely on their political affiliations.

It may also pay to note, one of the Red demands in the protest was an INDEPENDANT body be set up to monitor all Thai media and ensure information being passed is accurate. This is not the actions of a group who derive power from misinformation. Abhisit originally considered the proposal, but also added his defence for his PAD propaganda that although the body should exist, "constructive" media should also remain. Why would he say this? Because he thrives on misinformation.

"The Red "propaganda" I have seen only encourages people to fight for their freedom."

Once again you missed the propaganda inciting violence and encouraging protesters to burn down Bangkok.

[brahmburgers]

What a prolific poster you are Octavian. 30 Posts of pure propaganda. 1 day on the forum. Not a single item of personal information on your profile. Seems very odd to me. I wonder which banned poster you are.

You're free to challenge anything I say, unlike I'd be free to say this in the Thai media.

New posters who write a slew of pro-Thaksin posts - fit with the premise of the soon-to-be-released book called GUARDED CONVERSATIONS - about a former Thai PM named Sintax.

As for using the term 'mass murder' - No mass murder took place during the Red occupation of downtown Bkk in March/April of this year. A mass murder is where many people are killed. During the Red problem, there were a few Reds, some soldiers, and a few observers killed, so neither side can be tarred with the hot-button term 'mass murderers' - though Thaksin and Red leaders would sorely like the Int'l press to pin that term on gov't troops.

In reality, gov't forces were either stymied (the cops) or exceedingly restrained (the armed forces), so the Reds and their ilk should be deeply appreciative of the overall restraint and delayed action of gov't forces. Pretty much any other gov't on the planet would have come down like a ton of bricks within the first week of such a protest. But of course, no such appreciation (by Reds) will ever come forth.

Edited July 31, 2010 by brahmburgers

[slapout]

Glad it is the last post as you do not seem to want to answer to a denial which you made and to which the reverse was pointed out and the source. You brought the topic up, I responded to it, and now you deem it ;off topic'. Calvin had a answer/expression to all things with which he disagreed even through he knew he was wrong and he did not take up cartoon space with bs. It kept everyone else entertained as well as admitting defeat without the ramblings, we all could probably follow this when the situation applies thus reducing redundancy.

[rubl]

Glad it is the last post as you do not seem to want to answer to a denial which you made and to which the reverse was pointed out and the source. You brought the topic up, I responded to it, and now you deem it ;off topic'. Calvin had a answer/expression to all things with which he disagreed even through he knew he was wrong and he did not take up cartoon space with bs. It kept everyone else entertained as well as admitting defeat without the ramblings, we all could probably follow this when the situation applies thus reducing redundancy.

This OctavianCaesar may have set the record of the number of people annoyed and having less than a single day between registration and being banned. Bravo. does this forum start to attract more madmen these days?

Edited July 31, 2010 by rubl

[difos57]

Good news at last. So much about being a mule to some corrupt figure.

CHAYOO!!

Why are you so rude ??

Did you not learn any manners from your parents ?

Like I said before, You cannot be playing with a full deck. What is so rude about this.

Phil, you say there will be things happening. What will happen? Are these threats? If so please tell us more. If not, let the reds make the threats so they can be charged. Don't beat around the bush with your inuendos about what the reds will do with your BS bluffs. Last thing we need is some radical winding the people up and trying to throw unaccountable fear into the people. Take away the paid protestors and you only have less than .001% of the terrosists trying to run the country. Is this your democracy?

What is in it for you? Are you on the Taksin payroll?

[ovaltina]

What a prolific poster you are Octavian. 30 Posts of pure propaganda. 1 day on the forum. Not a single item of personal information on your profile. Seems very odd to me. I wonder which banned poster you are.

You're free to challenge anything I say, unlike I'd be free to say this in the Thai media.

New posters who write a slew of pro-Thaksin posts - fit with the premise of the soon-to-be-released book called GUARDED CONVERSATIONS - about a former Thai PM named Sintax.

As for using the term 'mass murder' - No mass murder took place during the Red occupation of downtown Bkk in March/April of this year. A mass murder is where many people are killed. During the Red problem, there were a few Reds, some soldiers, and a few observers killed, so neither side can be tarred with the hot-button term 'mass murderers' - though Thaksin and Red leaders would sorely like the Int'l press to pin that term on gov't troops.

In reality, gov't forces were either stymied (the cops) or exceedingly restrained (the armed forces), so the Reds and their ilk should be deeply appreciative of the overall restraint and delayed action of gov't forces. Pretty much any other gov't on the planet would have come down like a ton of bricks within the first week of such a protest. But of course, no such appreciation (by Reds) will ever come forth.

When I said mass-murder I was referring to the approximate 90 dead in total. I include all protesters, journalist, soldiers, bangkok citizens etc. To me they are all human beings, some were there because they were doing their jobs & trying to feed their kids, some were hoping for a better life with the RedMob & 'believed the hype' / took the payout etc.

To me the protestors were of varying levels of innocence and guilt in terms of readiness to fight. The soldiers and police were doing their jobs in extreme heat and at times danger. I don't blame any of the protagonists on the street directly. Even the most violent among them was undoubtably educationally subnormal & I don't blame people if they haven't been taught things.

I blame Thaksin & the leaders, those sly, fat suits-in-roots-clothing. They knew what was going to happen when they handed out the bribes and the weapons & the petrol money. They knew when they made the speeches that were so hateful and frightening to normal people.

In England the Yorkshire Ripper, a serial klller, is often referred to as a mass-murderer despite him killing maybe 15 ladies. A lot less than the 90ish in Bangkok. This is semantics really.

A human being who is from a poor background in a village, with no education or money, given a gun and money and told to kill, is essentially a weapon himself, and thus the person controlling him is an armed murderer.

I accuse Thaksin of being a mass-murderer because he knew what would happen & he went ahead with it, smiling every step of the way. He had freedom and money and was travelling the world but that wasn't enough. He returned and DIRECTLY because of his actions earlier this year 90 people died. That to me is the definition of mass-murder, premeditated and without doubt or remorse. The fact he is too cowardly to admit it, and just runs off afterwards, isn't uncommon among murderers either.

Edited July 31, 2010 by ovaltina

[difos57]

What a prolific poster you are Octavian. 30 Posts of pure propaganda. 1 day on the forum. Not a single item of personal information on your profile. Seems very odd to me. I wonder which banned poster you are.

You're free to challenge anything I say, unlike I'd be free to say this in the Thai media.

You are not free to say this in the Thai media or any media in the world. You are not all there. Youn do not have a memory of all of the red threats and the follow up actions and therfore anything you write is not worth reading. Off to the ignore list with you.

[animatic]

mass murder noun

the savage and excessive killing of many people

[syn: slaughter, butchery, carnage, massacre,

Not exactly what we saw in Bangkok two months ago.

Yes too many people on all sides died. One is too many.

But it wasn't all the same time, same place, same way.

And none of it would have happened except for the

incitements to violent actions and insurrections of the

Red Leaders on the stages. And the hands on direct actions

of the likes the 'on the run' feckless Arrisman.

They pushed it to the limit of the social contract of civil societies,

and then well beyond. It could not be sustained, both in their rhetoric,

and in the society that they were bisecting, and simultaneously was

their womb and placenta.

It was like a parasitic infection in an otherwise reasonably health organism,

but when a parasite is removed, some healthy tissue is also usually lost,

till it can grow back.