London in chaos after terrorist blasts; 45+ killed

[chuchok]

If your a moderate muslim with any decency, stand up now and tell us exactly what you think of these atrocities. If we can't hear you we'll take it that you are against us. Reap whats coming religion of peace.

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Boon, the Council of Islam or what ever they are called in th UK, just denounced these bombings as against Islam etc etc. Just now on the BBC.

[Boon Mee]

If your a moderate muslim with any decency, stand up now and tell us exactly what you think of these atrocities. If we can't hear you we'll take it that you are against us. Reap whats coming religion of peace.

Boon, the Council of Islam or what ever they are called in th UK, just denounced these bombings as against Islam etc etc. Just now on the BBC.

That's a good start.

...if they really mean it...

Edited July 7, 2005 by Boon Mee

[Rinrada]

Well well well....wot a day

The old mobile has been so busy..permanently tied.. up that my last guy has just managed to phone in a couple of minutes ago to say he is OK and hes off home.

One of my other engineers has been stuck down at Kings Cross Station (we had an appointment there but I had another around the corner) since early morning now tells me that everyone within the quickly set up security police "cordon"has also been given the go ahead to make a move ..so.. think I will now do the same.

Saw a bus pass about an hour ago and know that the underground system is out until tomorrow but suppose its only a matter of time before alls back to normal.

Yesterday London was on a high...while today

R

[george]

Thais warned to stay away from London’s subway stations

BANGKOK: -- The Royal Thai Embassy in London issued a statement today, warning Thais to avoid travelling to areas at risk following a string of bomb attacks at some underground train stations in the UK's capital city.

Four blasts ripped through London during rush hours Thursday morning, killing at least 33 people and disrupting a summit of the Group of Eight's leaders in Scotland.

British Prime Minister Tony Blair branded the attacks as "barbaric", while Interior Minister Charles Clarke called the explosions "terrorist attacks".

Thai Foreign Ministry Spokesman Sihasak Phuangketkeow said that the ministry received a report from the Thai Embassy in London, informing that there were no Thai nationals among the casualties.

A Hotline had, however, been set up to provide information for public inquiries about their relatives who live or study in London, said Mr.Sihasak.

The telephone number is 02-643-5000 extention 5001 and 5003

--TNA 2005-07-07

[george]

Details of the London blasts

LONDON: -- Four blasts tore through London's transport system during the morning rush hour in a choreographed series of terrorist attacks.

Police said at least 33 people were killed, 21 near King's Cross station, and the ambulance service said it had treated around 350 people, with more than 40 of those in a serious condition.

Three of the blasts were on tube trains and a fourth was on a bus. Explosives were said to have been found at two blast sites.

Below are reports from the main incident sites in order of occurrence:

8.56am - Between King's Cross and Russell Square stations

The attack with the highest confirmed death toll today was the one on a tube train travelling between King's Cross and Russell Square on the Piccadilly line, in which police said 21 people had died.

CNN quoted one emergency worker who said he had removed "several" bodies from the train and that "at least 13" remained there.

One survivor, Fiona Trueman, 26, was on the train a few minutes south of King's Cross when it exploded.

Speaking outside the Royal London hospital, Ms Trueman, who works in marketing for Sky News, said: "It was about three minutes after we left King's Cross, when there was a massive bang and there was smoke and glass everywhere. I was standing near a window, and I've still got some in my hair.

"The lights went out, and, with the smoke, we couldn't breathe, and we sort of cushioned each other during the impact because the compartment was so full.

"It felt like a dream, it was surreal.

"I was in the second carriage and I think the explosion was in the carriage in front of me, or maybe was even on the track, and the screaming from the front carriage was terrible.

"It was just horrendous; it was like a disaster movie. You can't imagine being somewhere like that - you just want to get out. I kept closing my eyes and thinking of outside. It was frightening because all the lights had gone out and we didn't hear anything from the driver, so we wondered how he was.

"Some people were very calm and were telling everybody not to panic, and after a few minutes we started to get messages that we would be unloaded from the back of the train and walked to safety. It took about 15 minutes to walk along the track to King's Cross."

Gary Lewis, 32, described the scene at King's Cross station where the injured were being treated by paramedics. He said: "People were covered in black soot and smoke. People were running everywhere and screaming. It was chaos."

9.17am - Edgware Road station

Police confirmed five people died after an explosion ripped through an underground train as it was around 100 metres from arriving at Edgware Road station.

The blast blew through a wall onto another train on an adjoining platform and in total three trains were affected.

One witness said the floor of the train he was standing on was "blown out" and other witnesses spoke of a huge hole being torn out of the floor.

The Press Association said one man was thought to have fallen through the gap and died. There were unconfirmed reports of another passenger being decapitated.

The train was heading towards Paddington when the explosion occurred. Survivors spoke of being deafened by the blast.

Another report suggested at least one passenger was blown out of the train by the force of the blast. One passenger said: "Most of us on my carriage were lucky, we just got cuts and bruises, but those next door were in real trouble."

Another survivor, Ben McCarthy, told the ITV News channel he was on the train but in a different carriage to the centre of the blast. He said: "There was a quite loud explosion a couple of carriages up from where I was. The carriages filled with smoke.

"At that stage, somebody, a man I think, was blown out of the door of the train. He was under the carriages. Everything was black, and filled with smoke for a while. We were on the train for 20 minutes to half an hour before people came down the track and gradually escorted us to Edgware Road.

"It was terrifying. People were incredibly calm but very, very shocked. The screams from the guy who was under the train obviously made the whole incident so much worse."

Tony Dodd, 39, who works for Metronet, was one of those who went to help. "It was pretty awful down there," he said. "There were bodies and people were very badly burned."

Later, speaking outside the station, Superintendent John Morgan confirmed there were "a number of fatalities" and said "things are still relatively confused".

At least 50 firefighters, 30 ambulance crews and just as many Underground first aid workers surrounded the scene. Sniffer dogs were brought in and taken below ground. The walking wounded had cuts and were suffering from smoke inhalation and covered in soot.

Inside the nearby Hilton Metropole, the entire reception and lounge bar was overrun with injured passengers. Shopping trolleys filled with medical supplies were parked near reception as a steady stream of people were treated. One man left the building with a bandage wrapped round his head and his shirt drenched in blood.

8.51am - Between Aldgate East and Liverpool Street stations

Police said seven people died in a blast on a tube train as it travelled between the Liverpool Street and Aldgate East stations, which are both in the capital's financial district.

One woman caught in the explosion said: "There were people there screaming out in agony. There were parts of the train all over the track."

Loyita Worley, 49, was on the train when the explosion went off in a nearby carriage and said the carriage that was hit was torn from "floor to ceiling".

She said she had seen some seriously injured people down in the tunnel and saw 20 to 30 "walking wounded".

This attack was the first to be reported, with police being alerted to an explosion at Liverpool Street at 8.49am. Initially it was thought that there had been separate incidents at the two stations as well as nearby Moorgate, before it became clear it happened in the tunnel between stations. The first reports said the explosion was caused by a power problem.

One of the dead and around 100 wounded people were taken to Royal London hospital in nearby Whitechapel, although it was not clear how many of these were from the Liverpool Street/Aldgate East blast and how many from other attacks. Ten people at the Royal London were described as being in a critical condition.

Hospital officials said three double-decker buses loaded with casualties were brought to the Royal London. Several other hospitals said they had received wounded people but declined to give numbers.

A man who survived the Aldgate East blast told of passengers' terror when their train ground to a halt. Arash Kazerouni, 22, said: "There was a loud bang and the train ground to a halt. People started panicking, screaming and crying as smoke came into the carriage. A man told everyone to be calm and we were led to safety along the track."

Mr Kazerouni, from Edmonton, north London, said: "Everyone was terrified when it happened. When they led us to safety, I went past the carriage where I think the explosion was. It was the second one from the front.

"The metal was all blown outwards and there were people inside being helped by paramedics. One guy was being tended outside on the track. His clothes were torn off and he seemed pretty badly burned."

9.47am - Tavistock Place, near Russell Square

A red double-decker bus exploded near Russell Square, leaving the whole of the vehicle's top floor a mangled mess, open to the sky.

Police could not give a toll of fatalities but said there were "many casualties" as a result of the explosion. Early unconfirmed reports said there were at least two dead. Reports said some of the injured had lost limbs.

The explosion went off as the bus was in Upper Woburn Square on the junction with Tavistock Place.

The Metropolitan police commissioner, Sir Ian Blair, said a bomb had exploded on the back of the top deck. He would not comment on whether the blast was caused by a suicide bomber.

One witness told BBC Radio 5 Live: "There were at least one or two fatalities laid out on the pavement."

Bob Mills, a producer for Sky News, said: "I was one of those who had to be evacuated, walking towards Russell Square, when, suddenly, there was a huge explosion on the street up in front of me and all I could see was the top of a bus completely destroyed.

"We all heard an explosion and everything just disappeared in front of me, and I'm looking at people with blood injuries and walking away from the scene."

One woman witness said: "Some people were able to carry other people who were much more badly injured than them. There were a lot of people with terrible burns. People were starting to get very dehydrated and very unwell. When the emergency services got there they had to carry up people in blankets who had lost limbs."

Sandra Pollins, who was on the street near the bus, told the ITV News channel: "There was glass flying. Everybody ran for cover in a shop doorway. It was terrifying. It took a minute or two to compose ourselves, then we came out. I could not even recognise that it was a bus. The whole roof had been blown off. There were people just walking around with blood all over their faces.

"People lying on the ground. Absolutely terrifying. People were just staggering off that bus in a complete state. One woman I spoke to said she could not hear anything any more, her partner was still on the bus."

Debris littered the street and the facade of a nearby building was blackened and scarred by shrapnel.

--The Guardian, UK, 2005-07-07

[patsfangr]

If your a moderate muslim with any decency, stand up now and tell us exactly what you think of these atrocities. If we can't hear you we'll take it that you are against us. Reap whats coming religion of peace.

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There is a new TV series here in the US called "30 Days". It shows the experiences of a person who knows little or nothing of a particular element of society sharing life with that element for 30 days.

The episode last week reported the experience of a conservative Christian man in his 30's who lived with a Muslim family in Dearborn, Michigan - a city with a very large Muslim community. He shared their daily lives, and inter-acted with their friends, including religious activities. Most of these people were of American born, of Arab heritage.

During the report, there was an argument among some Muslims on the very issue of speaking out. Very interesting perspectives included: "We need to declare our loyalty to this country." "We need to declare that these terrorists do not reflect the true teachings of Islam." "We are not obligated to apologize for our religion." "We should not be 'profiled' for special attention because we are Muslim."

The young man came out of his 30 days with a better understanding of the Muslim religion, and a greater respect for the difficulties of living as a Muslim in America. Still, his observations and interactions convinced him that there is a danger in the depth of passion with which those who follow this religion. That danger being that, if the teachings are twisted, and directed negatively toward non-Muslims, that depth of passion can and does spawn violence and fanatacism.

There is no easy answer to a situation in which it is clear that not all people of a particular element of society are evil; while equally clear that some of that element, claiming to be motivated by the core of that element, are evil incarnate.

I know only that I don't have an answer that satisfies me. While my philosophy urges me to accept every man as an individual, suspicion is natural and, unfortunately, irrepressible. The best we can do is try to find a balance that will allow us to live in peace with most of our fellow humans; while maintaining a level of awareness that will maximize our personal safety. Not an easy task.

[DaveYo]

I am not surprised at all this. For starters, everybody was so focused on AQ, they forgot that other factions and organizations quietly were getting things together and surprise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Some unknown too.

If the Arabs knew who it was, why didn't they do the peep show in advance. I suspect that they are the ones involved in the first place.

Bottom line is this. It is not going to be via plane or anything that gives any country the ability to find or to know about in advance. It is all going to be done very quietly and all of it coded in such a way even experts will be lost on as to what is going on. It will be a mix of things that make the communication complete, not just only a mobile phone or land phone or visit etc. And don't forget, a lot of it is going to be done right in your own back yard. So I wonder when others are going to wake up???????

Whats this mean to all of us. As long as there are factions that consider the free world a threat, meaning Islam and Arabs they will always create trouble.

I have said it before to others that the biggest threat to the peace on this planet is the Islamic fanatics, and Arabs idealogy in the name of their frickin religion. We will never have peace here till they are completely eliminated.

If you don't believe me, those here in Thailand it is happenning right now down south. As of Jerusalem same thing concerning the Temple Mount and the territories surrounding it.

We have to all gather and decide what is acceptable religion and not acceptable. I sort of looked at the Islam religious book and it is truly crap. The same applies to other religions as well. They are the biggest cause of unrest in this world, because they definitely do try to brainwash you into their so called beliefs. In many cases now it gets so bad they go on some holy war vendetta and it gets downright nasty.

This is nothing new, and such has been going on for the last 6,000 years.

Daveyo

[Thomas_Merton]

This was sent to me from Israel, written by a Jew from Belfast:

And yes, another bombing. Unexpected but expected. Despite the bombings, there are people, sitting, waiting, and thinking. Yet, people with limbs missing, cut faces, bones broken, those humans, laying with eyes closed, either breathing or not, and some out and about in memory in horror.

The ones that survived, they will never be the same, years from now, this will give them an uneasy feeling. Certain people will wonder, some people won't have a care, like certain Muslims who believe that what these extremists have done today was right. And the others will think respectfully and rationally, they will feel sick, for their people have done wrong and now their families will suffer.

Angry whites will hunt Muslims, families walking, kids playing, women shopping. What these extremists have done is wrong and ruthless. But they have no doubt, that what they did on this day, was absolute correctness. The absolute truth.

Most humans have a lot in common, I don't know about the extremist black or white willing to blow up and aim for women and children.

But we all have something in common. We are brought to this world alike, alone, through the mother's uterus, and the second you come to this world it is a struggle, the baby cries, can't open its eyes, covered in blood and slime.

And when you leave this world and have to be buried six feet under and your are away for good, at least from the land of Earth, you go alone. You die alone, and there is nothing anyone could do about it. You either get hit by a car and die that instant, or a plane crash where you have many eyes all over you for moments until impact, but once you're out you're out. You die alone.

Even when an explosion detonates, and when limbs are in the air and heads too. You come to this earth alone and die on earth alone. Yet people want to take things in their own hands.

But the truth will come when we hit the ground and never arise. The dead may see what we living will never see, until our time comes. Or maybe nothing at all will happen and just silence. But until the clouds stop moving, I will never let go of the fact that when humans do cold hearted selfish sick and disturbing acts they will pay the price, they will pay for their actions.

[jrincon17]

Currently we have been advised to stay in the office, besides PO Tower. Very little traffic. 2 confirmed dead. Alot of disruption on mainline trains due to bomb alerts.

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SCREW THAT GO HOME , SAFER THERE THAN IN AN OFFICE .

[DaveYo]

Hmmmmm, let me put it another way simply for you people to understand. Example the founders of the American Constitution and its Armies etc, were they terrorists to revolt against Britain back in 1776??????? Was the Civil War caused by terrorists back in 1860????

This is just for starters of which I referred concerning USA. I am sure other countries had the same unrest too and its causes.

So now we have a group of people who have made a holy war against certain countries and for other certain reasons -- one of them is that they encroached on their turf and they want them out.

Are they terrorists trying to get their point across to others in different lands and nations by making noise at the expense of innocents getting killed in the process when these same nations ignore their requests and laugh smack at their faces???

The same happened in the past too, innocents also got killed when revolutionaries raised up their voices and hands etc.

Therfore being terrorists is not the correct term to call these individuals. Yes some can be classified as such but I think for the most part they all point towards being revolutionaries give or take, provided that they are not doing such in the name of some frickin religion.

Daveyo

[DragonLad]

Funny how our President was raked over the coals for invading Iraq and he is still looked down upon, Now a Terrorist Incident has happend to the UK. Would the world be upset if Britian Invaded Iran?? The New President of Iran has said he was at the U. S. Embassy when they took hostages!!! Now he is in power of a nuclear military. When are people going to wake up!!! These Terrorists need to be eradicated and the goverments that support them.

I'm sure not all Muslim's are bad but the Good ones are definately scared of speaking up and when they do it sounds if they are saving their own backsides. When will this all end??

I watched a program on the middle east and some of these people are very intelligent and come to different countries to learn a trade or two, and then go back to their home country and their are no chances to use that education in some places then they listen to what the hatemongers have to say and then some become suicide bombers. because they are angry at the west for more chanes for their own citizens.

In my opinion ban all muslims from coming to the west

[patsfangr]

Hmmmmm, let me put it another way simply for you people to understand.  Example the founders of the American Constitution and its Armies etc, were they terrorists to revolt against Britain back in 1776???????  Was the Civil War caused by terrorists back in 1860????

This is just for starters of which I referred concerning USA.  I am sure other countries had the same unrest too and its causes.

So now we have a group of people who have made a holy war against certain countries and for other certain reasons -- one of them is that they encroached on their turf and they want them out.

Are they terrorists trying to get their point across to others in different lands and nations by making noise at the expense of innocents getting killed in the process when these same nations ignore their requests and laugh smack at their faces???

The same happened in the past too, innocents also got killed when revolutionaries raised up their voices and hands etc.

Therfore being terrorists is not the correct term to call these individuals.  Yes some can be classified as such but I think for the most part they all point towards being revolutionaries give or take, provided that they are not doing such in the name of some frickin religion.

Daveyo

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In my view, Daveyo, the difference between "revolutionaries" and "terrorists" lies in the fact that the former commit acts intended to attack the structure and representatives of the perceived oppressive governing body; while the latter commit acts specifically directed at innocent people who have no direction connection with that governing body.

I would suppose that one could argue that the extremist Islamics view EVERY person not of their religion as a member of a "threatening army". Only by acceptance of that position could one not classify these people as terrorists.

I consider it a totally unacceptable position due to the fact that most non-Islamics do not, in fact, wish to eradicate ALL Islamics. I certainly do not. The difficulty lies in identifying that faction with the dangerous beliefs from those who simply wish to worship God in their own way. As an American, albeit an agnostic personally, I believe that all men have that right. Whether you choose to worship Jesus Christ, Buddha, Allah, Isis, Rah, or Mickey Mouse, it is your right to do so. The limitation, the only limitation, being that no man has the right to kill "in the name of God." Those who do so, whatever their religion, should be eradicated.

[chuchok]

If you think that the BBC is biased...check out the interview with their security correspondant Frank Gardner. he was the BBC jurno that was shot six times this year in Saudi(And is still in a wheelchair) and commented on AQ and co.Not a hint of malice or anything but his honest interpretation of these events.

Edited July 7, 2005 by chuchok

[patsfangr]

Funny how our President was raked over the coals for invading  Iraq and he is still looked down upon,  Now a Terrorist Incident  has happend to the UK.  Would the world be upset if Britian Invaded  Iran??  The New President  of Iran  has  said  he was at the U. S. Embassy  when they  took  hostages!!!  Now  he  is in  power  of a  nuclear military.  When are people  going to  wake up!!!  These Terrorists  need to be eradicated  and the goverments  that support them. 

I'm sure not all  Muslim's are bad  but the Good ones are definately  scared  of speaking up and when they do it sounds if they are saving their own backsides.  When will this all  end?? 

I watched a program on the middle  east and some of these people  are very intelligent and come to  different countries to learn a trade  or  two,  and then go back to their home country and their  are no chances  to use that education in some places  then they listen to what the hatemongers have to say and then some become suicide bombers.  because they are angry at the west for more  chanes for their own citizens.

In my opinion ban all muslims from coming to the west 

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Yes. By all means. Let's keep those extremists out.

[jrincon17]

If you think that the BBC is biased...check out the interview with their security correspondant Frank Gardner. he was the BBC jurno that was shot six times this year in Saudi(And is still in a wheelchair) and commented on AQ and co.Not a hint of malice or anything but his honest interpretation of these events.

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tHE bbc NEWS IS THE MOST HONEST NEWS I HAVE HEARD . I COME FROM THE STATES AND WE DONT HEAR ANY OF THE WORLD NEWS EVER. USUALLY HEAR WHAT THEY WANT US TO HEAR

[patsfangr]

tHE bbc NEWS IS THE MOST HONEST NEWS I HAVE HEARD . I COME FROM THE STATES AND WE DONT HEAR ANY OF THE WORLD NEWS EVER. USUALLY HEAR WHAT THEY WANT US TO HEAR

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??? What do you watch, HBO? Does your TV get the signals from CNN, CNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, or FOX? "We don't hear any of the world news ever." ??? That may well be the most ludicrous statement I've ever seen relative to news broadcasting in the U.S.!

[Otis]

Hmmmmm, let me put it another way simply for you people to understand.  Example the founders of the American Constitution and its Armies etc, were they terrorists to revolt against Britain back in 1776???????  Was the Civil War caused by terrorists back in 1860????

This is just for starters of which I referred concerning USA.  I am sure other countries had the same unrest too and its causes.

So now we have a group of people who have made a holy war against certain countries and for other certain reasons -- one of them is that they encroached on their turf and they want them out.

Are they terrorists trying to get their point across to others in different lands and nations by making noise at the expense of innocents getting killed in the process when these same nations ignore their requests and laugh smack at their faces???

The same happened in the past too, innocents also got killed when revolutionaries raised up their voices and hands etc.

Therfore being terrorists is not the correct term to call these individuals.  Yes some can be classified as such but I think for the most part they all point towards being revolutionaries give or take, provided that they are not doing such in the name of some frickin religion.

Daveyo

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In my view, Daveyo, the difference between "revolutionaries" and "terrorists" lies in the fact that the former commit acts intended to attack the structure and representatives of the perceived oppressive governing body; while the latter commit acts specifically directed at innocent people who have no direction connection with that governing body.

I would suppose that one could argue that the extremist Islamics view EVERY person not of their religion as a member of a "threatening army". Only by acceptance of that position could one not classify these people as terrorists.

I consider it a totally unacceptable position due to the fact that most non-Islamics do not, in fact, wish to eradicate ALL Islamics. I certainly do not. The difficulty lies in identifying that faction with the dangerous beliefs from those who simply wish to worship God in their own way. As an American, albeit an agnostic personally, I believe that all men have that right. Whether you choose to worship Jesus Christ, Buddha, Allah, Isis, Rah, or Mickey Mouse, it is your right to do so. The limitation, the only limitation, being that no man has the right to kill "in the name of God." Those who do so, whatever their religion, should be eradicated.

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I believe the muslim religion has been hijacked by Terrorists, Fanatics, Zealots,etc.. I also believe, that genetic material should be removed from the gene pool and allow the Allah intended religion to flourish again.

But for today, I think we should all go out and buy a British flag and fly it at half mast. And tomorrow we should dust off the British battle flag and put it to sea.

Otis

[bambob]

unknown if the bombers were suicide bombers. cellphones couldnt be used in the tunnels to explode the bombs . possibly they had timers .

imagine something like this in the Nana or Patpong area ! chilling .

[Totster]

" all the leaders believed the terrorists had no respect for human life."

One has to wonder if they are human at all...

&lt;deleted&gt; cowards...

totster

Edited July 7, 2005 by Totster

[chuchok]

I was actually off to London at 7am tmrw (arriving 7am London) morning for a meeting, which would of taken me in the same area as the bombs. That would of meant I probably would have been close to that area around tne 9pm time when the bombs went off.

Makes you wonder, christ!.

Above from a mate living in Holland.

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[mittheimp]

Some nonsense been written on this topic.

The muslim religion has 1 billion followers world wide. 1/6 of the worlds population. Only a tiny miniscule minority believe in fanaticism and terorrism. True Islam teaches peace and non-violence. The Muslim Council of GB has already condemed the bombing in the strongest terms. It should be remembered that there will almost certainly be muslims amongst the injured and dead. London is the most multi-cultural city in the world. Muslims live in harmony in London alongside all other religions - and long will they continue to do so.

Sweeping generalisations and confrontational remarks (like some on this board)are just the thing extremists look for in their recruitment drive of the poor and the vunerable. I'm pleased By tony Blairs sensible comments made to this effect already.

[Totster]

Some nonsense been written on this topic.

The muslim religion has 1 billion followers world wide. 1/6 of the worlds population.  Only a tiny miniscule minority believe in fanaticism and terorrism.  True Islam teaches peace and non-violence.  The Muslim Council of GB has already condemed the bombing in the strongest terms.  It should be remembered that there will almost certainly be muslims amongst the injured and dead.  London is the most multi-cultural city in the world.  Muslims live in harmony in London alongside all other religions  - and long will they continue to do so. 

Sweeping generalisations and confrontational remarks (like some on this board)are just the thing extremists look for in their recruitment drive of the poor and the vunerable.  I'm pleased By tony Blairs sensible comments made to this effect already.

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Although I agree with most of your post, one point I would like to make is that although, as you say, "Muslims live in harmony in London alongside all other religions" , there is also a strong underlying (and sometimes worrying) divide between the different cultures... this is mainly being found amongst the younger generations...

One only has to look at the problems found in the cities and towns in the north, with large muslim / immigrant communities, there are areas that white people or non muslims will not go out of fear for their safety (yes.. in this day and age), and for the muslims there are also no go areas...

Open your eyes... the problems are there, and they are also bigger than most people think..

totster

[mittheimp]

Some nonsense been written on this topic.

The muslim religion has 1 billion followers world wide. 1/6 of the worlds population.  Only a tiny miniscule minority believe in fanaticism and terorrism.  True Islam teaches peace and non-violence.  The Muslim Council of GB has already condemed the bombing in the strongest terms.  It should be remembered that there will almost certainly be muslims amongst the injured and dead.  London is the most multi-cultural city in the world.  Muslims live in harmony in London alongside all other religions  - and long will they continue to do so. 

Sweeping generalisations and confrontational remarks (like some on this board)are just the thing extremists look for in their recruitment drive of the poor and the vunerable.  I'm pleased By tony Blairs sensible comments made to this effect already.

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Although I agree with most of your post, one point I would like to make is that although, as you say, "Muslims live in harmony in London alongside all other religions" , there is also a strong underlying (and sometimes worrying) divide between the different cultures... this is mainly being found amongst the younger generations...

One only has to look at the problems found in the cities and towns in the north, with large muslim / immigrant communities, there are areas that white people or non muslims will not go out of fear for their safety (yes.. in this day and age), and for the muslims there are also no go areas...

Open your eyes... the problems are there, and they are also bigger than most people think..

totster

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I take your point about northern English towns like Bradford and Blackburn, but these places are generally very segregated between two (and only two) cultures. London on the other hand is so diverse that multi culturalism generally really works. I teach RE at a very diverse school in North London and the level of respect and tolerance is encouraging and pupil friendship groups tend to be diverse too.

[Totster]

BBC News

Edited July 7, 2005 by Totster

[aughie]

ABC Radio reports two unexploded bombs found.

[LPCustom69]

Wolf and others,

Just be safe and aware. I wouldn't put it past these cowards to strike again.

Haven't got a clue how I'm getting home tonight

Watch for the back-lash, coming any day soon !

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[odowdchr]

tHE bbc NEWS IS THE MOST HONEST NEWS I HAVE HEARD . I COME FROM THE STATES AND WE DONT HEAR ANY OF THE WORLD NEWS EVER. USUALLY HEAR WHAT THEY WANT US TO HEAR

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??? What do you watch, HBO? Does your TV get the signals from CNN, CNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, or FOX? "We don't hear any of the world news ever." ??? That may well be the most ludicrous statement I've ever seen relative to news broadcasting in the U.S.!

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I don't know much about the news coverage in the US (although the Weather Channel with the computer voice is fascinating), but i know since BBC radio went online it's been inundated with "thank you" emails from Americans who never realised what they'd been missing out on. They generally say it's more brutally honest and it tries to give all points of view in depth, rather than just what they think you want to hear in 5minutes.

Edited July 7, 2005 by odowdchr

[Boon Mee]

Did anyone want to give in? Were we down-hearted? The lights went out and the bombs came down. But every man, woman and child in the country had no thought of quitting the struggle. London can take it.

Sir Winston Churchill

[patsfangr]

tHE bbc NEWS IS THE MOST HONEST NEWS I HAVE HEARD . I COME FROM THE STATES AND WE DONT HEAR ANY OF THE WORLD NEWS EVER. USUALLY HEAR WHAT THEY WANT US TO HEAR

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??? What do you watch, HBO? Does your TV get the signals from CNN, CNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, or FOX? "We don't hear any of the world news ever." ??? That may well be the most ludicrous statement I've ever seen relative to news broadcasting in the U.S.!

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I don't know much about the news coverage in the US (although the Weather Channel with the computer voice is fascinating), but i know since BBC radio went online it's been inundated with "thank you" emails from Americans who never realised what they'd been missing out on. They generally say it's more brutally honest and it tries to give all points of view in depth, rather than just what they think you want to hear in 5minutes.

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I have no arguement with criticism of the depth and quality of the news. I've long been a critic of the U.S. broadcast media for its "sell the show" approach to news. However, the statement to which I objected is an eggregious level of criticism of even the worst of our TV news broadcasts. They definitely "shape" stories to maximize viewer interest, which includes both improper emphasis and clipped details. But "We don't hear any of the world news ever" is akin to saying "You can't find a decent whiskey in Scotland"!

[Boon Mee]

"Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything." Harry Truman