Thaksin Phones In During Pattaya Rally

[philw]

Insightfully adequate ?

Edited September 6, 2010 by philw

[Insight]

Insightfully adequate ?

So these two committed all alleged atrocities then?

You show us armed soliders, I'll show you armed red shirts.

Real proof please.

[Siripon]

Insightfully adequate ?

Your photo means nothing.

I see Pheua Thai have withdrawn their 5 point plan of reconciliation a mere day after its proposal, on the grounds their MPs were accused of being involved in the red violence!

Several Pheua Thai MPs appeared on stage at Ratchaprasong, inciting and urging the crowd on.

They abandoned their parliamentary duties,due to fear their boss would disapprove if they were inactive.

They had been ordered to provide a few thousand protesters each to Ratchaprasong and told to appear on stage.

Nothing will detract from the fact that the red shirts provoked and orchestrated violence fron the beginning of their campaign this March.

Hence their crumbling support, both in and outside Parliament.

[philw]

Insightfully adequate ?

So these two committed all alleged atrocities then?

You show us armed soliders, I'll show you armed red shirts.

Real proof please.

I feel quite sorry for your inability to admit the obvious.

Edited September 7, 2010 by sbk
inflammatory post removed

[SpoliaOpima]

That's a tired and discredited point that apologists for the crimes of the military often trot out.Absurdly,if taken literally, it means that the many civilians murdered by the military somehow got caught in the crossfire as snipers aimed at the militants.What laughable rubbish.

What's more laughable are your feeble attempts as a red propagandist. Any objective observer of the events during the Tai Rouge occupation of Bangkok know that that is exactly what happened.

At any rate, whether you recognise that the unarmed deaths were collateral rather than intentional, the poster has a point about the choices the UDD members made. The occupation was illegal and its leaders promoted violence daily on the stage. That is a matter of abundant public record, so you're calling that appraisal 'rubbsih' won't fly. The physical, social and economic damage the UDD caused amounts to terrorism under their cheerless leader's own definitions as approved by an elected parliament. The government showed admirable restraint in enforcing the law.

One wonders whether someone like this has any limit on the amount of bloodshed he is happy to endorse.Clearly this fellow, to the extent he expresses himself coherently, is at the reactionary end of the spectrum.Even government spokesmen pay lip service to the concept of a rigorous inquiry - not that they are really prepared to commit to one.Historically the Thai army has always covered up its crimes and avoided accountability.Actually in this case I think the army acted reasonably professionally but there's still a need for a proper inquiry

I said nothing about not wanting an inquiry into the deaths. Nothing at all. I guess that makes *you* the reactionairy in what appears to be a rather incoherent and irrelevant response.

Like any impartial observer, I would welcome inquiries into the government's actions, just as soon as the UDD leadership and armed members of its rank and file have been investigated and prosecuted. To the impartial observer's mind, that would be the initial priority given the crimes committed have been documented on audio and video recordings, and witnessed by millions of people.

You have missed the central point of my post, which was to agree with an earlier post by a member pointing out that the UDD stationed themselves in Rajprasong by choice - illegally, and running many local businesses into the ground during the course of the occupation (five businesses on my street closed down and never re-opened), while publicly threatening to reduce the capital to ashes - and could have left at any time, with the government giving more than ample warnings as to the consequences if they resisted or fired on troops and civilians. Kudos to that poster for pointing out the obvious.

[Insight]

Insightfully adequate ?

So these two committed all alleged atrocities then?

You show us armed soliders, I'll show you armed red shirts.

Real proof please.

I feel quite sorry for your inability to admit the obvious.

It's a sad case.

Proof that these soldiers were shooting at unarmed civilians please. Protesters armed or making every effort to appear armed, yes (severe Darwinism at play). Unarmed civilians? We're still waiting.

Until then take your simple minded insults elsewhere.

[jayjay0]

jayboy You said

" the security forces acted reasonably and professionally in the circumstances.My wish is to to seek the truth"

You have just stated the truth what more do you want? The red shirts atrocities are all ready a matter of record.

To jayjayO

Care to admit the army's atrocities ???

Or do you deny that there were any ?

Perhaps if you could point out some I would admit them. Legally shooting at terrorists who refuse to negotiate is not a atrocity I suppose you think the army should have stood around and let them keep shooting live ammunition at them.

Not sure what youy hope to gain by your constant stream of ignorance but you may reest assured nobody is fooled by you except maybe jayboy.

[philw]

jayboy You said

" the security forces acted reasonably and professionally in the circumstances.My wish is to to seek the truth"

You have just stated the truth what more do you want? The red shirts atrocities are all ready a matter of record.

To jayjayO

Care to admit the army's atrocities ???

Or do you deny that there were any ?

Perhaps if you could point out some I would admit them. Legally shooting at terrorists who refuse to negotiate is not a atrocity I suppose you think the army should have stood around and let them keep shooting live ammunition at them.

Not sure what youy hope to gain by your constant stream of ignorance but you may reest assured nobody is fooled by you except maybe jayboy.

Amazing.

Do you get paid for this ?

Are you in complete denial that anybody was shot by the army ?

[rubl]

jayboy You said

" the security forces acted reasonably and professionally in the circumstances.My wish is to to seek the truth"

You have just stated the truth what more do you want? The red shirts atrocities are all ready a matter of record.

To jayjayO

Care to admit the army's atrocities ???

Or do you deny that there were any ?

Perhaps if you could point out some I would admit them. Legally shooting at terrorists who refuse to negotiate is not a atrocity I suppose you think the army should have stood around and let them keep shooting live ammunition at them.

Not sure what youy hope to gain by your constant stream of ignorance but you may reest assured nobody is fooled by you except maybe jayboy.

Amazing.

Do you get paid for this ?

Are you in complete denial that anybody was shot by the army ?

If you remove the 'atrocities' part, people might start to agree with you. Yes, the army has shot people in the March - May extended protest. Up to the 10th of April it was 'fairly' peaceful. On the 10th things started to get out of hand after unknowns indiscriminately shot reds and soldiers and grenaded a colonel with staff.