Pigs 101 (A Start)

[kiwi kev]

Sold my first2 pigs had them for 3 months and 14 days average weight 91 kgs 77 baht per kilo feeling very pleased i think my semi free range system is working despite all the locals telling me the pigs wouldnt grow

[wolfrunes]

Congrats kev

[thedoctor]

I had a win a few days ago,

we were in the local market passing the veggie section and i saw some bags of veggie leaf stacked up waiting to be picked up by the garbo truck

so i got the missus to ask around what they do with the offcuts,

Now i get about 50 kg of fresh off cut veggie leaf for 10 bht bagged and deliverd to the toyota,,

also a banana seller sells me big bags of over ripe or black bananas for the younger pigs for 40 bht for about 20 + kg

havent found many young piglets for sale this week but i can get some 28day old on the 14th of this month,, 1500 each and some six days later same price same mooban

does anyone look on mooyaso.net ? its thai language but maybe the wife can read it,, plenty of links on there also

regards mike

[pigeonjake]

hi doctor,

just be carefull with your veg cuttings, i used to get them just the same as you and thought it was great,

but please remember how much pestacide i sprayed on them over here!!

i still give our veg but only what we grow ourselfs,

jake

[puffafish101]

G'day fellas for the guys who have been following my saga I think the purchase of a B320 sledge hammer on Sunday and telling my misses to tell her brother I will be smashing down the pig sheds on Monday proved to be fruitfull. Funny enough Sunday night I was told I can come down Monday morning to pick up money for 10 pigs. I ended up getting paid in Gold and cash and now just waiting on money for 4 more pigs, they said end of month and the money for pig shed that was never built which they promised by end of June latest.

We will see if he can acheive those time lines but I am getting the money owed to me slowly and not going to give up easily.

End of the day I wont be happy about being out of the the pig business as it was a nice little earner for me and I was ready to invest more money on infrastructure and the purchace of more pigs but if yah cannot trust ya partner ???

If interested the way he was running the pig farm for me I was just the land owner and investor he was buying piglets around the 14kg mark for around B1500 t0 B1600 and B500 tranportation costs as he cant drive. Then the cost of feed per pig to get them to sell weight in 3 and a half months was about B3000 if we kept the pigs longer than that he would pay and take it out of my profits.

Basically it was costing me B4500 to get the pigs to sell weight (maybe a liitle bit more if they required medicine which was rarely and if we kept them over time), and what ever the going price a KG at the time we would sell the pigs for taking off a few baht a kg for reasons I dont know why ???

I think he used to sell too the local meat sellers who used to drive around the villages selling the pig meat and local special events when they occurred and always used to get the money about a week later untill recently.

Out of the profits he got 50%+ and I got 50%- and at current pig prices it was a good profit making business for the both of us I think most people would agree.

[wolfrunes]

@puffafish. Did they mention anything about raising pigs still when you met them on Monday night to collect the money?

If they are using gold and cash to pay you, it might be that pig farming is a crucial income source to them.

Since now they know that they can't F around with you and get away it with, maybe you can consider giving this pig raising and them another chance to prove their worth?

Its a pity to let go of an income source and from your words, i think you feel the same too.

Just my thoughts on it thou....

[IsaanAussie]

Guys, stop thinking farang logic. Start thinking village family style.

I am sure most of us have been through much the same sort of situation before, at least once! Get angry you loose, is the western saying. In Isaan it is the same, you loose "face". We would call it credibility. Tough to get it back. Yeah, the money is a factor, but not the show stopper we treat it as, just another commodity. Something if you aren't using it, you don't need. Bit like the second hand tools you would give away or throw out without a thought.

Ask yourself, where is the refunded money for the new sty going to come from? If he hasn't got it now, where will it come from once the rice crop bills start coming in? Pass the problem onto another "family" member? Perhaps the original money was needed more somewhere else?

[RedBullHorn]

Very simply...

Face = Credibility / Embarrassment in other usage like causing one to loose face.

Bigger the Face bigger the Credibility.

Pay on time = Good credits.

Pay before dead line = Better credits and always a chance to bigger credit amount.

But if there's no interest rate being charge... Rest assured, you will get paid last in line or not at all.

Trust... it's a word full of suspicious~

[joeuk1]

Hi Tony

Can you give me a call when you have freetime on 0883581117 .

Hope everything well with you .

[rlellis]

Hi, this is Chiang Mai Pig Farmer! Surin Farm

Great news today - we were awarded the Number 1 Thai Government Livestock Office Contract Pig Farm in Thailand.

For your information: if anyone in the north of Thailand, especially those close to Chiang Mai, want to take part in a free range Thai Government Livestock Office black pig free range venture please let me know.

Thanks,

Randy at Surin Farm

[IsaanAussie]

Hi, this is Chiang Mai Pig Farmer! Surin Farm

Great news today - we were awarded the Number 1 Thai Government Livestock Office Contract Pig Farm in Thailand.

For your information: if anyone in the north of Thailand, especially those close to Chiang Mai, want to take part in a free range Thai Government Livestock Office black pig free range venture please let me know.

Thanks,

Randy at Surin Farm

Congratulations Randall, well done. I wish you continued success.

[revar]

Congrats Randy.

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[wolfrunes]

Congrats! Happy for you that efforts put in paid off!

[RedBullHorn]

Congratulation Randy...and many more awards to come.

[thedoctor]

From the last batch of pigs i sold i kept 2, thinking i was going to try mate both of them in there second season

the pigs are sisters, about 90, kg

my question is when do you change diet from grower to breeder,

also i use topfeed 593 to finish,, local thai people tell me to buy ram mix into their topfeed food slowly stop the topfeed and only feed ram, is this correct or are they just choseing the cheapest option,,

i also had/have a sick pig dont know what was wrong but it was very ill lost a lot of weigh now has trouble with its back legs [ i think because it laid on them all day so didnt use them,

got the vets son !! yes son, he injected what he thought was going to fix it,,Atropane sulphate,,it didnt work ,,

next was amoxycillan,, still no improvement ,, the pig had been wormed 2 times before with piper worm

then i was told to use Enro 150 for 3 days by the person i bought it off ,,, who is a village vet and feed shop owner,, then told, Co-sulnac ? by another store/ pig owner,

by this time my head was spinning

so last night i did what i did before when i had a sick pig natural yogurt in a syringe into its mouth, followed by gatorade to wash it down and peeled banana into its mouth, Today the pig is Eating !! i fed it some peeled banana's again this morning by hand feeding , some lettuse, and showed it the feed bin and it started to eat

i wont say its looking good but its better then it was

regards M

[nutterz64]

Hi All, thought is was about time I introduced myself. I have been following this thread for the last few months and took the time to read all 1600 posts. I have just completed the build of my first shed (actually a big extension on my better half's small existing operation) and ready to start buying some Gilts and or Parity 1 or 2 Sows. We are running a farrow to finish operation. This forum has been invaluable to my education and I want to start by thanking IA for starting it and all the regular contributors to this. I am a farming newbie so am hungry for knowledge and learning from the experience of others is critical to my success in this venture.

We now have 11 rooms and four completed farrowing crates with room and plans to build another four crates when needed. Ended up designing and building my own galv crates which saved a lot of money. I did not build in the suspended floor as that was going to add considerably to the cost. We have the original 3 sows that Neuy already owned and all 3 are in gestation at the moment. Also 10 x 30+kg growers and 10 x 85-90kg finishers. (Actually we only have 7 now as we sold 3 yesterday for 80baht per kg... two for a local funeral and one for a wedding. Nuey is a wonderful negotiator. ) I know they would have got me down to 77 and I would have been very happy with that.

Finding it a bit of a challenge to find quality sows and gilts at a good price at the moment but I am not in a rush.

I am up in the Udon Thani district so if there are any members up here then I would love to catch up for a beverage and chat. I also visit Bangkok on a regular basis so can meet there as well.

Anyway, thanks again to all the help you have unknowingly given me in planning and completing this project. It is very exciting seeing all the research and plans on paper come to fulfilment. Supervising my first construction project in Thailand was very educational to say the least. Learnt a lot (from many mistakes) that I can use if I decide to build again.

Now on to stage two and building up a strong herd.

Cheers

Peter

[RedBullHorn]

1'600 post, good job...homework's done, time to make the money.

I just ran out of "Like" vote for the day...

Here's mine +1

[thedoctor]

Nutterz64,

welcome to pigs 101

many happy days to follow im sure just take the good with the bad,

80bht per kg your other half did well ,, we sold 2 for the same reason as you to some locals and my missus asked how much can i go down ,,, i got 75 bht were near roiet ,, cheeky thai's get this, i went down from my 76 to 75 per kg because it was locals,, then the bin came to for 2 pige 13,275bht so i dropped the 75bht making it 13,200bht ,, im a nice guy ,, ah ,, so when mr thai is counting his payment to me he gives me 13,100,, and winks !!! i said one more 100bht please,, winks again

no money comes so i ask again 100 bht ,, now they have long faces,, so i say

i went down from 76 to 75,, for you, i dropped 75 bht from the bin total ,, for you,, i lent you my crate to take the pigs ,,[ they brought one crate for 2 pigs but the crate they brought didnt have a floor in it so the pig could stand on the floor not the scale,,i kept saying put the pigs feet on the scales ,,eventually i got four legs on the scales] ,,, and we had agreed on 75 ,,, now you want to change the ground rules,, and keep another 100 ,, sorry ,, cannot

problem was i was alone at the farm as per usual so they try it on all the time ,, limited thai language, no english

but i got my crate back today

regards M

[RedBullHorn]

Nutterz64,

welcome to pigs 101

many happy days to follow im sure just take the good with the bad,

80bht per kg your other half did well ,, we sold 2 for the same reason as you to some locals and my missus asked how much can i go down ,,, i got 75 bht were near roiet ,, cheeky thai's get this, i went down from my 76 to 75 per kg because it was locals,, then the bin came to for 2 pige 13,275bht so i dropped the 75bht making it 13,200bht ,, im a nice guy ,, ah ,, so when mr thai is counting his payment to me he gives me 13,100,, and winks !!! i said one more 100bht please,, winks again

no money comes so i ask again 100 bht ,, now they have long faces,, so i say

i went down from 76 to 75,, for you, i dropped 75 bht from the bin total ,, for you,, i lent you my crate to take the pigs ,,[ they brought one crate for 2 pigs but the crate they brought didnt have a floor in it so the pig could stand on the floor not the scale,,i kept saying put the pigs feet on the scales ,,eventually i got four legs on the scales] ,,, and we had agreed on 75 ,,, now you want to change the ground rules,, and keep another 100 ,, sorry ,, cannot

problem was i was alone at the farm as per usual so they try it on all the time ,, limited thai language, no english

but i got my crate back today

regards M

[nutterz64]

Nutterz64,

welcome to pigs 101

many happy days to follow im sure just take the good with the bad,

80bht per kg your other half did well ,, we sold 2 for the same reason as you to some locals and my missus asked how much can i go down ,,, i got 75 bht were near roiet ,, cheeky thai's get this, i went down from my 76 to 75 per kg because it was locals,, then the bin came to for 2 pige 13,275bht so i dropped the 75bht making it 13,200bht ,, im a nice guy ,, ah ,, so when mr thai is counting his payment to me he gives me 13,100,, and winks !!! i said one more 100bht please,, winks again

no money comes so i ask again 100 bht ,, now they have long faces,, so i say

i went down from 76 to 75,, for you, i dropped 75 bht from the bin total ,, for you,, i lent you my crate to take the pigs ,,[ they brought one crate for 2 pigs but the crate they brought didnt have a floor in it so the pig could stand on the floor not the scale,,i kept saying put the pigs feet on the scales ,,eventually i got four legs on the scales] ,,, and we had agreed on 75 ,,, now you want to change the ground rules,, and keep another 100 ,, sorry ,, cannot

problem was i was alone at the farm as per usual so they try it on all the time ,, limited thai language, no english

but i got my crate back today

regards M

Thanks Mike. Yeah, I think it was also because she came from a position of strength. She did not really want to sell yet as they are not quite at finished weight. She was happy for the buyers to walk away. Because she has a reliable buyer to take bulk orders she felt no pressure to give a great deal. As it was she dropped from her original start of 82 down to 80. Of course we are not likely to get that price from her usual buyer but he will take all available with no fuss and no problems with money. Glad you got your crate back.

[IsaanAussie]

Hi Nutterz,

I wish you well with the farm. Thanks for the thoughts by the way, I'm pleased you have got some value from our ramblings. It is great that the topic continues and that you guys are seeing some positive results and are making some money at the moment. Stick with it guys, and please keep your eyes and ears open. Lent is not so far away.

IA

[revar]

White men can't jump, but white pigs can;)

One of my. New gilts is experiencing her first oestrus and, smelling the boar, climbed, jumped over 2 one meter walls to get there. I got her just in time. She is 96 kg he 230+.

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[nutterz64]

Wow!!! Two walls. This young lady is certainly very keen for her boy.

[pigeonjake]

a couple of pics of our last lot, we went and picked them 2 weeks ago monday, we got 40, all doing well and coming along nice,,

also 2 of the new barn and pens i had built, and 1 looking up some of our rearing pens,,

hope you enjoy

jake

[jompa67]

Have anyone encounter piglets with skin-problems like in the attachment? About 15 % of our piglet got skin problems (15 - 20 piglets/months). We have had this problem for about two months now and the good thing is that it is not increasing. Just a few of them die the rest recover before they reach 25 kg. Even if they recover it has a negative preformens impact as well as economics, so I need to find a cure.

[IsaanAussie]

http://www.thepigsite.com/articles/813/pork-health-fact-sheet-circovirus-infection-in-swine

Circovirus type 2 at a guess only. Perhaps PDNS coinfection.

[nutterz64]

Have anyone encounter piglets with skin-problems like in the attachment? About 15 % of our piglet got skin problems (15 - 20 piglets/months). We have had this problem for about two months now and the good thing is that it is not increasing. Just a few of them die the rest recover before they reach 25 kg. Even if they recover it has a negative preformens impact as well as economics, so I need to find a cure.

Jompa67, I am no expert but here is a description of PRNS from thepigsite.

PDNS - Another syndrome that appears to be related to PCV2 infection is porcine dermatitis and nephropathy syndrome (PDNS). Pigs affected by this condition generally remain alert and non-feverish but have numerous dime-sized, ulcerative, raised lesions on their skin, most frequently on the flank, rear legs, and belly. These lesions may coalesce and be covered by a crusty, black scab. PDNS may be fatal or pigs may spontaneously recover without treatment.

On post-mortem examination, the kidneys are enlarged, pale, and may have pinpoint haemorrhages on the surface.

For my own interest, can you tell me what breed these piglets in the photo are.

Peter

[thoongfoned]

Have anyone encounter piglets with skin-problems like in the attachment? About 15 % of our piglet got skin problems (15 - 20 piglets/months). We have had this problem for about two months now and the good thing is that it is not increasing. Just a few of them die the rest recover before they reach 25 kg. Even if they recover it has a negative preformens impact as well as economics, so I need to find a cure.

yes if the pigs "comes back" it will still be not a good pig, kg wise.

we tend too kill them so that the infections does not spread. I would say that the area where these pigs comes from is dirty, do you have the red powder...... Stalosan F. we use it when the piglet is born to keep it warm, sort of very thick powder that has very good hygiene benefits as well. if so throw this around the pen.

we would inject the piglet with Beta Imectin (betagro product) and then do follow up with vit C the next day. if the piglet does not die in the first couple of days keep on give the beta imectin(2-3ml) every 3 days or so and the vit c( 1ml) as and when you think. careful with the vit c coz sometimes too much and its good night little piglet. also spray the piglet with palm of violet its will help the skin.

look at how you clean the piglet area because this is the root problem here. use a mild chemical and let the area dry for at least 24 hours before putting the new mum in the birthing area. do you fumigate the pig house? if not look into this coz it will also help keep the bacteria down.

if you see this in the piglets early on, say very small areas spray the palm of violet on straight away. it will help.

hope this can be of some help to you, all the best.

[thoongfoned]

hi forgot to say keep them away from the other healthy piglets coz it could spread. ie not in the next pen andup wind if pos

[IsaanAussie]

Note guys PCV2 is a virus and transmitted from the sow. Not all piglets that have it will show clinical signs. Your problem may well be more than just the skin issues.