Local Villagers Confront PAD Supporters In Surin

[inmysights]

No it isn't. The PADs want go there for somekind of anti-Cambodian campaign and not anti-red or anti-Thaksin.

and that information is where in the article?

Would this be the temple in question - if so you have your answer

Prasat Ta Muen Thom - which is in fact three ruined structures all with the same name - in a location that seems to be on the very border between Cambodia and Thailand. If you speak to the Khmers in the locality, they'll tell you that the temple is Cambodian and that the Thai's have stolen it in the last few years, whilst the Thai's have assumed responsibility for the temple and built a paved road for easy access for visitors.

Along with their Muay 'Thai', temple dancing and temple architecture (sans the gaudy glitter), but thank God, not their 'cuisine'.

Edited October 24, 2010 by inmysights

[LikeHeat]

I am aware I should not be responding to SergeiY, but the point has to made that it should be fair for people to exercise their democratic right to protest, even if it is in the Red's backyard and the protesters are Yellow shirts. Surely the Northern folk are aware that democratic rights are for everyone. Surely with their demands for democracy they would not interfere or limit other people's democratic rights. I'm sure they know what democracy is, right?

For those people who support the blockade, are you also going to say it would be OK to block Northern folk from coming to Bangkok to protest and burn when they leave? If you support this blockade then you are also saying that people can only protest and burn in their own neighbourhoods.

Edited October 24, 2010 by LikeHeat

[craigt3365]

I am aware I should not be responding to SergeiY, but the point has to made that it should be fair for people to exercise their democratic right to protest, even if it is in the Red's backyard and the protesters are Yellow shirts. Surely the Northern folk are aware that democratic rights are for everyone. Surely with their demands for democracy they would not interfere or limit other people's democratic rights. I'm sure they know what democracy is, right?

For those people who support the blockade, are you also going to say it would be OK to block Northern folk from coming to Bangkok to protest and burn when they leave? If you support this blockade then you are also saying that people can only protest and burn in their own neighbourhoods.

You are right on. Protesting should be allowed. But only if it is peaceful. Which was not the case in Bangkok this past spring.

I can't remember the guy's name. He is with PAD, but under that new name they have. He went to Chiang Mai for a rally this past spring and the reds chased him back to the airport where he immediately got on a plane back to Bangkok. The police didn't even help him. Not unusual for people who canvass for PAD in Issan. The red's don't practice democracy. Sorry to say....

And I think we are saying it is NOT ok for anybody to protest AND burn anywhere. Not even in their neighborhood. That is not a peaceful protest.

[mufcsamui]

What does this have to do with Red Shirts, its the PAD doing what they do best, causing trouble.

Surin - Some 50 troops were deployed to prevent local villagers from clashing with some 200 supporters of the People's Alliance for Democracy here Saturday.

The PAD supporters were heading to the Ta Muen Thom Temple in Ban Nong Khanna village in Tambon Tamien in Phanom Dongrak district at 4 pm when about 100 local villagers blocked the road to prevent the PAD supporters from approaching the temple.

Some rangers from the Suranaee Taskforce and 50 troops were rushed to the scene to prevent a clash.

[rametindallas]

I am aware I should not be responding to SergeiY, but the point has to made that it should be fair for people to exercise their democratic right to protest, even if it is in the Red's backyard and the protesters are Yellow shirts. Surely the Northern folk are aware that democratic rights are for everyone. Surely with their demands for democracy they would not interfere or limit other people's democratic rights. I'm sure they know what democracy is, right?

For those people who support the blockade, are you also going to say it would be OK to block Northern folk from coming to Bangkok to protest and burn when they leave? If you support this blockade then you are also saying that people can only protest and burn in their own neighbourhoods.

+1

[SergeiY]

What does this have to do with Red Shirts, its the PAD doing what they do best, causing trouble.

Surin - Some 50 troops were deployed to prevent local villagers from clashing with some 200 supporters of the People's Alliance for Democracy here Saturday.

The PAD supporters were heading to the Ta Muen Thom Temple in Ban Nong Khanna village in Tambon Tamien in Phanom Dongrak district at 4 pm when about 100 local villagers blocked the road to prevent the PAD supporters from approaching the temple.

Some rangers from the Suranaee Taskforce and 50 troops were rushed to the scene to prevent a clash.

What does this have to do with Red Shirts, ...

Thats a good question. Nobody has answered that so far, they just keep talking nonsense and get angry at you when you tell them it has nothing to do with their beloved red shirts. The reds cannot claim fame for everything.

Edited October 24, 2010 by SergeiY

[473geo]

I am aware I should not be responding to SergeiY, but the point has to made that it should be fair for people to exercise their democratic right to protest, even if it is in the Red's backyard and the protesters are Yellow shirts. Surely the Northern folk are aware that democratic rights are for everyone. Surely with their demands for democracy they would not interfere or limit other people's democratic rights. I'm sure they know what democracy is, right?

For those people who support the blockade, are you also going to say it would be OK to block Northern folk from coming to Bangkok to protest and burn when they leave? If you support this blockade then you are also saying that people can only protest and burn in their own neighbourhoods.

Let us see now, if the government had been smart enough to block or maintain full control of the gathering of the political protestors in the heart of Bangkok then the following carnage would not have occured..........

Now that would make the Issan villagers smarter than the government........would it not? .......or at the very least intelligent enough to learn from the deadly mistakes of others?

Edited October 24, 2010 by 473geo

[whybother]

Let us see now, if the government had been smart enough to block or maintain full control of the gathering of the political protestors in the heart of Bangkok then the following carnage would not have occured..........

Now that would make the Issan villagers smarter than the government........would it not? .......or at the very least intelligent enough to learn from the deadly mistakes of others?

If the government had blocked the red shirts initial protests they would have been blasted for not allowing opposition protests.

They allowed the protests and they were peaceful. The red shirts didn't like that so they decided to take it to the streets. The government allowed their tours. The red shirts didn't like that so they took over Ratchaprasong. The government decided to try and shut down the protests, and the red shirts started shooting back with guns and grenades. That's what the red shirts wanted. They wanted sympathy, and while the government were allowing them to do what they wanted, they weren't getting sympathy. So they kept on pushing. And they got what they wanted. People died. But they are still trying to get their sympathy.

But this thread isn't about the red shirts...

[jdinasia]

I am aware I should not be responding to SergeiY, but the point has to made that it should be fair for people to exercise their democratic right to protest, even if it is in the Red's backyard and the protesters are Yellow shirts. Surely the Northern folk are aware that democratic rights are for everyone. Surely with their demands for democracy they would not interfere or limit other people's democratic rights. I'm sure they know what democracy is, right?

For those people who support the blockade, are you also going to say it would be OK to block Northern folk from coming to Bangkok to protest and burn when they leave? If you support this blockade then you are also saying that people can only protest and burn in their own neighbourhoods.

Let us see now, if the government had been smart enough to block or maintain full control of the gathering of the political protestors in the heart of Bangkok then the following carnage would not have occured..........

Now that would make the Issan villagers smarter than the government........would it not? .......or at the very least intelligent enough to learn from the deadly mistakes of others?

So what Geo seems to be saying is that he is opposed to the democratic right to free assembly and protest. The right to protest is vital in democratic societies! The right to do it with m79 grenade launchers or while calling for a million people to bring bottles to make petrol bombs (like the reds did), however, is NOT protected.

[Buchholz]

its the PAD doing what they do best, causing trouble.

I know it's been asked before, but going to a temple is causing trouble?

Still, it's wonderful that we can have 70 replies to a report that is about... uhmmm... some people went to a temple and uhmmm... some others didn't like that.

Gosh, I wonder how many replies would have been made if there were like some uhmmm... actual details in it.

[jdinasia]

its the PAD doing what they do best, causing trouble.

I know it's been asked before, but going to a temple is causing trouble?

Still, it's wonderful that we can have 70 replies to a report that is about... uhmmm... some people went to a temple and uhmmm... some others didn't like that.

Gosh, I wonder how many replies would have been made if there were like some uhmmm... actual details in it.

Ummmm like they went on a Buddhist holiday? ... but you are right. Everyone has the right to protest except THEM

edit ----- oh wait ---- the story didn't say they were going to protest anything did it?

Edited October 24, 2010 by jdinasia

[473geo]

I am aware I should not be responding to SergeiY, but the point has to made that it should be fair for people to exercise their democratic right to protest, even if it is in the Red's backyard and the protesters are Yellow shirts. Surely the Northern folk are aware that democratic rights are for everyone. Surely with their demands for democracy they would not interfere or limit other people's democratic rights. I'm sure they know what democracy is, right?

For those people who support the blockade, are you also going to say it would be OK to block Northern folk from coming to Bangkok to protest and burn when they leave? If you support this blockade then you are also saying that people can only protest and burn in their own neighbourhoods.

Let us see now, if the government had been smart enough to block or maintain full control of the gathering of the political protestors in the heart of Bangkok then the following carnage would not have occured..........

Now that would make the Issan villagers smarter than the government........would it not? .......or at the very least intelligent enough to learn from the deadly mistakes of others?

So what Geo seems to be saying is that he is opposed to the democratic right to free assembly and protest. The right to protest is vital in democratic societies! The right to do it with m79 grenade launchers or while calling for a million people to bring bottles to make petrol bombs (like the reds did), however, is NOT protected.

What Geo is doing is comparing two like for like scenario........one ended badly.......the other it appears has not..........so certainly an improvement there......initiated by the intelligent villagers in Surin........and the prompt distribution of the rangers and troops to control a potentially dangerous situation, which they appear to have achieved........maintaining control........the secret to allowing continuation of successful democratic protests.

Losing control.......recipe for disaster....

Your interpretation appears to lack a little intelligent understanding in your efforts to once again score political points.....getting a little too predictable JD...

[rubl]

What does this have to do with Red Shirts, its the PAD doing what they do best, causing trouble.

Surin - Some 50 troops were deployed to prevent local villagers from clashing with some 200 supporters of the People's Alliance for Democracy here Saturday.

The PAD supporters were heading to the Ta Muen Thom Temple in Ban Nong Khanna village in Tambon Tamien in Phanom Dongrak district at 4 pm when about 100 local villagers blocked the road to prevent the PAD supporters from approaching the temple.

Some rangers from the Suranaee Taskforce and 50 troops were rushed to the scene to prevent a clash.

What does this have to do with Red Shirts, ...

Thats a good question. Nobody has answered that so far, they just keep talking nonsense and get angry at you when you tell them it has nothing to do with their beloved red shirts. The reds cannot claim fame for everything.

Not sure what this has to do with the red-shirts. Here the yellow shirts were being restrained from a peaceful gathering at one of Thailand's beautiful temple complexes. Don't understand why the normally peaceful villagers of Surin would do that. Now people from KhonKaen or RoiEtt have a bit of a history in obstructing people with different ideas, but Surin ? Surely this must have been a misunderstanding which could have been prevented if only people set down and talked about it peacefully.

[473geo]

What does this have to do with Red Shirts, its the PAD doing what they do best, causing trouble.

Surin - Some 50 troops were deployed to prevent local villagers from clashing with some 200 supporters of the People's Alliance for Democracy here Saturday.

The PAD supporters were heading to the Ta Muen Thom Temple in Ban Nong Khanna village in Tambon Tamien in Phanom Dongrak district at 4 pm when about 100 local villagers blocked the road to prevent the PAD supporters from approaching the temple.

Some rangers from the Suranaee Taskforce and 50 troops were rushed to the scene to prevent a clash.

What does this have to do with Red Shirts, ...

Thats a good question. Nobody has answered that so far, they just keep talking nonsense and get angry at you when you tell them it has nothing to do with their beloved red shirts. The reds cannot claim fame for everything.

Not sure what this has to do with the red-shirts. Here the yellow shirts were being restrained from a peaceful gathering at one of Thailand's beautiful temple complexes. Don't understand why the normally peaceful villagers of Surin would do that. Now people from KhonKaen or RoiEtt have a bit of a history in obstructing people with different ideas, but Surin ? Surely this must have been a misunderstanding which could have been prevented if only people set down and talked about it peacefully.

The locals are probably more aware of the dangers of occasional stray bullets at these border points of contention........perhaps just taking care of the less knowledgable outsiders.....Surin villagers are a thoughtful caring people.

Edited October 24, 2010 by 473geo

[SergeiY]

What does this have to do with Red Shirts, its the PAD doing what they do best, causing trouble.

Surin - Some 50 troops were deployed to prevent local villagers from clashing with some 200 supporters of the People's Alliance for Democracy here Saturday.

The PAD supporters were heading to the Ta Muen Thom Temple in Ban Nong Khanna village in Tambon Tamien in Phanom Dongrak district at 4 pm when about 100 local villagers blocked the road to prevent the PAD supporters from approaching the temple.

Some rangers from the Suranaee Taskforce and 50 troops were rushed to the scene to prevent a clash.

What does this have to do with Red Shirts, ...

Thats a good question. Nobody has answered that so far, they just keep talking nonsense and get angry at you when you tell them it has nothing to do with their beloved red shirts. The reds cannot claim fame for everything.

Not sure what this has to do with the red-shirts. Here the yellow shirts were being restrained from a peaceful gathering at one of Thailand's beautiful temple complexes. Don't understand why the normally peaceful villagers of Surin would do that. Now people from KhonKaen or RoiEtt have a bit of a history in obstructing people with different ideas, but Surin ? Surely this must have been a misunderstanding which could have been prevented if only people set down and talked about it peacefully.

There is also a bit of a history of PAD visits to that area and the PAD itself has also its little history.

[rubl]

What does this have to do with Red Shirts, ...

Thats a good question. Nobody has answered that so far, they just keep talking nonsense and get angry at you when you tell them it has nothing to do with their beloved red shirts. The reds cannot claim fame for everything.

Not sure what this has to do with the red-shirts. Here the yellow shirts were being restrained from a peaceful gathering at one of Thailand's beautiful temple complexes. Don't understand why the normally peaceful villagers of Surin would do that. Now people from KhonKaen or RoiEtt have a bit of a history in obstructing people with different ideas, but Surin ? Surely this must have been a misunderstanding which could have been prevented if only people set down and talked about it peacefully.

There is also a bit of a history of PAD visits to that area and the PAD itself has also its little history.

Yes, but till now no confrontation with local villagers. Thai military preventing a too close look at the border, did happen peacefully. So why are the villagers upset enough now to confront them ?

The 'bit of a history' was purely related to the 'Thaksin proxy' governments, nothing to do at all with this case.

[chantorn]

What does this have to do with Red Shirts, ...

Thats a good question. Nobody has answered that so far, they just keep talking nonsense and get angry at you when you tell them it has nothing to do with their beloved red shirts. The reds cannot claim fame for everything.

Not sure what this has to do with the red-shirts. Here the yellow shirts were being restrained from a peaceful gathering at one of Thailand's beautiful temple complexes. Don't understand why the normally peaceful villagers of Surin would do that. Now people from KhonKaen or RoiEtt have a bit of a history in obstructing people with different ideas, but Surin ? Surely this must have been a misunderstanding which could have been prevented if only people set down and talked about it peacefully.

There is also a bit of a history of PAD visits to that area and the PAD itself has also its little history.

Yes, but till now no confrontation with local villagers. Thai military preventing a too close look at the border, did happen peacefully. So why are the villagers upset enough now to confront them ?

The 'bit of a history' was purely related to the 'Thaksin proxy' governments, nothing to do at all with this case.

Since the Yellow & Army is on the same side, any one confronting the Yellow shirt MUST be a Red shirt.

[pisico]

When disagreeing with a poster, why not make a solid statement, preferably based on fact, instead of resorting to personal attacks, being condescending and/or making it ad hominem. Stick to the issue, do not attack the person who disagrees with you otherwise that person will feel assisted by the same right to attack you and turn what it should be a rational discourse, an exchange of ideas and/or opinions, into a low class verbal brawl.

[rubl]

When disagreeing with a poster, why not make a solid statement, preferably based on fact, instead of resorting to personal attacks, being condescending and/or making it ad hominem. Stick to the issue, do not attack the person who disagrees with you otherwise that person will feel assisted by the same right to attack you and turn what it should be a rational discourse, an exchange of ideas and/or opinions, into a low class verbal brawl.

Do keep in mind 'physical violence is a sign of verbal incompetence'. As long as no-one shouts I prefer a verbal brawl, thank you.

[SergeiY]

Not sure what this has to do with the red-shirts. Here the yellow shirts were being restrained from a peaceful gathering at one of Thailand's beautiful temple complexes. Don't understand why the normally peaceful villagers of Surin would do that. Now people from KhonKaen or RoiEtt have a bit of a history in obstructing people with different ideas, but Surin ? Surely this must have been a misunderstanding which could have been prevented if only people set down and talked about it peacefully.

There is also a bit of a history of PAD visits to that area and the PAD itself has also its little history.

Yes, but till now no confrontation with local villagers. Thai military preventing a too close look at the border, did happen peacefully. So why are the villagers upset enough now to confront them ?

The 'bit of a history' was purely related to the 'Thaksin proxy' governments, nothing to do at all with this case.

history wise ...

http://ki-media.blogspot.com/2009/09/pad-protest-ends-in-bloodshed.html

Just a single source. selected at random. Gives you an idea and brings maybe some memory back.

google for more information ...

[Buchholz]

history wise ...

http://ki-media.blogspot.com/2009/09/pad-protest-ends-in-bloodshed.html

Just a single source. selected at random. Gives you an idea and brings maybe some memory back.

google for more information ...

You're in luck.

There happens to be a specific thread on that for you to discuss that topic:

This thread is on a different topic. It's about uhmmm... some people that went to temple in a different province and uhmmm... not much more is known.... which means that there's not much to discuss.

Still, no need to discuss another thread's topic here. That's what the other thread is for.

Edited October 24, 2010 by Buchholz

[rubl]

Not sure what this has to do with the red-shirts. Here the yellow shirts were being restrained from a peaceful gathering at one of Thailand's beautiful temple complexes. Don't understand why the normally peaceful villagers of Surin would do that. Now people from KhonKaen or RoiEtt have a bit of a history in obstructing people with different ideas, but Surin ? Surely this must have been a misunderstanding which could have been prevented if only people set down and talked about it peacefully.

There is also a bit of a history of PAD visits to that area and the PAD itself has also its little history.

Yes, but till now no confrontation with local villagers. Thai military preventing a too close look at the border, did happen peacefully. So why are the villagers upset enough now to confront them ?

The 'bit of a history' was purely related to the 'Thaksin proxy' governments, nothing to do at all with this case.

history wise ...

http://ki-media.blogspot.com/2009/09/pad-protest-ends-in-bloodshed.html

Just a single source. selected at random. Gives you an idea and brings maybe some memory back.

google for more information ...

I stand corrected, you're right. There has been at least one other occasion where villagers tried to obstruct PAD supporters who ventured out of Bangkok. The article you quote is about SiSaKet.

Again out of the blue. When army personel traveled from up-north to down-south in May they were also obstructed by villagers, or was it red-shirts in KhonKaen?

Maybe villagers just like to be left alone? No need for central government or local phu yai's ?

[SergeiY]

history wise ...

http://ki-media.blogspot.com/2009/09/pad-protest-ends-in-bloodshed.html

Just a single source. selected at random. Gives you an idea and brings maybe some memory back.

google for more information ...

You're in luck.

There happens to be a specific thread on that for you to discuss that topic:

This thread is on a different topic. It's about uhmmm... some people that went to temple in a different province and uhmmm... not much more is known.... which means that there's not much to discuss.

Still, no need to discuss another thread's topic here. That's what the other thread is for.

But we have similar key elements in the story: PAD, villager, a border region to Cambodia, an old khmer temple at the border

What we don't have as part of the story is: Thaksin nor Red shirts. just a few trolls trying to push it that way for whatever reason.

[Buchholz]

history wise ...

http://ki-media.blogspot.com/2009/09/pad-protest-ends-in-bloodshed.html

Just a single source. selected at random. Gives you an idea and brings maybe some memory back.

google for more information ...

You're in luck.

There happens to be a specific thread on that for you to discuss that topic:

This thread is on a different topic. It's about uhmmm... some people that went to temple in a different province and uhmmm... not much more is known.... which means that there's not much to discuss.

Still, no need to discuss another thread's topic here. That's what the other thread is for.

But we have similar key elements in the story: PAD, villager, a border region to Cambodia, an old khmer temple at the border

What we don't have as part of the story is: Thaksin nor Red shirts. just a few trolls trying to push it that way for whatever reason.

There's no need to discuss another thread's topic here. That's what the other thread is for.

[SergeiY]

It's just an example of red democracy. "We are allowed to gather and air our views, but no one else is".

...

But this thread isn't about the red shirts...

i see you finally got it.

[rubl]

It's just an example of red democracy. "We are allowed to gather and air our views, but no one else is".

...

But this thread isn't about the red shirts...

i see you finally got it.

But, but, ehm, when you say 'PAD itself has also its little history', why shouldn't a reference to the red-shirt typical idea of democracy and who may speak for it, be wrong. Maybe you didn't get it yet?

[473geo]

I would expect that the visitors to the temple provide a little revenue to the locals.........if there is currently a status quo where the locals on both sides of the border are content with the situation and distribution of the spoils of tourism.......I would suggest that perhaps the reason to deter the intended visit could well be the inclination to retain and maintain this acceptable mutually beneficial local status quo.

Now do you get it?........not everybody is wrapped up in politics

[Buchholz]

*post deleted.

Nevermind. This thread ran it's course about 87 posts ago. No need to prolong the non-story with no details.

Edited October 25, 2010 by Buchholz

[craigt3365]

It's just an example of red democracy. "We are allowed to gather and air our views, but no one else is".

...

But this thread isn't about the red shirts...

i see you finally got it.

Well done, SergiY. You have some great posts here with some really good comments. I hope you continue the trend!

From your link, there are a few paragraphs that explain this protest...and why the locals are fighting back. I think someone earlier called these PAD protesters "ultra nationalists". Seems he was about right on. PAD is protesting Cambodia inhabiting land that is on the border but in dispute, and near this particular temple. The locals don't want outsiders to cause problems. This only has overtures of red vs. yellow because PAD is involved. But the locals just want to be left alone to get things sorted out. I'm sure many of the PAD members were from Bangkok...and like the red's who drove to Chiang Mai...probably drove there in their BMW or Benz.

Here's the interesting part of your article, SergiY:

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Residents opposed the PAD protest, fearing it would aggravate the border situation and harm their livelihood.

"They [PAD protesters] are here for just a couple of days. But we and the Cambodian people are here for life so we do not want any complications.

"The temple dispute has been going for years. Why protest now?" said Boonreum Khobutr, a village head.

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As you probably know, the people in Surin speak Khmer. And associate with that region closely. Just like the Issan people associate with Laos. And the southern people associate with Malaysia. I bet some of these villagers have relatives on the other side of the border????

Well done, SergiY!!!!!

For more info on this, here is an interesting link. It shows the map of the Kingdom of Siam in 1809, which includes a good part of Burma, China, Vietnam, and Malaysia....and all of Laos and Cambodia. Then it shows the map of Siam in 1909 after it lost a good part of the kingdom to the French and British. Of course a good part of Thailand was part of the Khmer empire back in the 12th century.

http://www.thailandsworld.com/index.cfm?p=91

[Buchholz]

From your link, there are a few paragraphs that explain this protest

Does it? What do we know about this "protest?"

Hmmm... for starters, it's not even been stated in the one solitary article, consisting of 3 short sentences, of this thread that there even was a protest.

One would think that if it was a protest, then surely there would be more press about it than 3 short sentences.

If we want to discuss the other topic of Sergei's link, then it would seem proper that we should use the other on-topic thread, for which the link was provided earlier.

It's staggering that we could be nearing 100 posts based on.... uhmmmm... 3 short sentences.