Bomb Thrown At Bangkok Mini Bus Kills At Least One, Injures Many

[rametindallas]

If this is a personal or school related grudge or retaliation, then this is a chickensh*t way of doing it. If the perpetrators had any balls, they would go one-on-one with the object of their anger/hate. War weapons are demonstably too available when students have access to them so I'm going to hold the Army partially responsible for not keeping control of their weapons. The adults in this country have set some terrible examples for the youth on how to settle their differences. I would like to see the Buddhist Sangha come out with some strong comdemnations of the way society is becoming more violent. Shaping societal values is not something any government is good at. Corruption has made the government inconsequential in peoples' lives, the family unit is losing its grip, and if religion, the last bulwark against evil, cannot do anything, I see a continued downward spiral to oblivion. The social fabric in this beautiful country has taken a beating now for some time with little good news. Do any of you have any 'hope' to share; I could use some.

[metisdead]

What odds Tesco to cherry pick the duplicated Big C/Carrefour dept stores that are on top each other? Maybe some of the Carrefour plots will become Central malls/stores. If the existing Carrefour plots weren't profitable, why will Big C be likely to make them significantly profitable either as hypermarkets? It is hardly as though I feel as though I am walking into a zone of retail excellence walking into the local Big C.

Economies of scale may help with better access to Thai produce may bring some of the prices down in comparison with Carrefour. However, I am not so sure that this will turn out to be a boon for Big C.

Would be interesting to know if Tesco were ever seriously considering buying Carrefour out. Maybe Carrefour didn't want to give Tesco a leg up in an important market for them.

I think you're replying to the wrong thread.

[Buchholz]

"Although Bangkok has been rattled by a number of minor blasts since rallies by anti-government protesters in April and May, " - can you explain this comment too.have the bomb blasts been "claimed" by any one particular body? or were they anonymous

A number of recent bombings have resulted in a number of Red Shirts arrested:

Thailand's Fragile Peace Threatened, Bomb Attack

http://www.thaivisa....eace-threatened

Another Red Shirt was responsible for this bomb:

At Least Three Dead In Bomb Blast At Bangkok Apartment Building

http://www.thaivisa....rtment-building

A Pheu Thai Party employee was responsible for this one:

Rocket Launcher, Ammo Found In Bangkok

http://www.thaivisa....-bangkok-police

But that's not to say they are involved in this particular bombing.

your post appears to be a pretty good example of a false syllogism.

Your post asked if any of the bombings had been attributed to any particular group or were they anonymous; I answered, with examples, that some of them had.

None of it was "false" and it wasn't syllogism as I drew no conclusions.

[Buchholz]

"Although Bangkok has been rattled by a number of minor blasts since rallies by anti-government protesters in April and May, " - can you explain this comment too.have the bomb blasts been "claimed" by any one particular body? or were they anonymous

A number of recent bombings have resulted in a number of Red Shirts arrested:

Thailand's Fragile Peace Threatened, Bomb Attack

Another Red Shirt was responsible for this bomb:

At Least Three Dead In Bomb Blast At Bangkok Apartment Building

A Pheu Thai Party employee was responsible for this one:

Rocket Launcher, Ammo Found In Bangkok

But that's not to say they are involved in this particular bombing.

.

Please can you desist from the constant attempts at linkage and scaremongering ?

The situation in Thailand is complex and bad enough as it is without your constant irrelevancies.

A question was asked and answered.

I'm sorry if you find that process irrelevant.

If you feel straight-forward, concise, and accurate answers is scaremongering, I'm again sorry you feel that way.

Perhaps it would help if read posts as face value instead of attempting to erroneously read something into them that isn't there in reality.

[Phatcharanan]

This has nothing to do with Red Shirts.

This is student rivalry and an act of revenge.

[Deeral]

"Although Bangkok has been rattled by a number of minor blasts since rallies by anti-government protesters in April and May, " - can you explain this comment too.have the bomb blasts been "claimed" by any one particular body? or were they anonymous

A number of recent bombings have resulted in a number of Red Shirts arrested:

Thailand's Fragile Peace Threatened, Bomb Attack

http://www.thaivisa....eace-threatened

Another Red Shirt was responsible for this bomb:

At Least Three Dead In Bomb Blast At Bangkok Apartment Building

http://www.thaivisa....rtment-building

A Pheu Thai Party employee was responsible for this one:

Rocket Launcher, Ammo Found In Bangkok

http://www.thaivisa....-bangkok-police

But that's not to say they are involved in this particular bombing.

your post appears to be a pretty good example of a false syllogism.

Your post asked if any of the bombings had been attributed to any particular group or were they anonymous; I answered, with examples, that some of them had.

None of it was "false" and it wasn't syllogism as I drew no conclusions.

Unfortunately you are mistaken - it seems to me you made various implications - so either that is true or if you are correct your whole statement is pointless. Not much of a choice really.

[random]

Irrespective of who is responsible-this is lunacy. If someone has a problem with government, then target government, if the problem with army, then attack the army.

How are the people on the bus responsible for anything?

Perhaps someone on the bus was the target, I wouldn't assume that someone with a problem with the government would attack a public bus.

With due respect, but may I remind you of the grenade attack on BTS Saladaeng on the 28th of April this year ? That situation suggested someone with a problem with the current government attacked, although maybe just meant for the protesting yellow/pink shirts under the station. Maybe one of Seh Daeng's black shirts in Lumpini park involved. One dead, 80+ wounded.

(edit: add 'although ... station')

forensics shows that grenade was fired from chula hospital and not from the red shirt stronghold, they were not in the hospital, this however led to them storming the hospital to find the army that were holed up there. But don't let facts get in the way of a good old red shirt hanging.

Quiet why anyone's first thought about this was political is beyond me, my first thought was a dispute between van owners, but then again i dont have my head up my arse and think the reds are to blame for everything like some posters think.

[Buchholz]

Unfortunately you are mistaken - it seems to me you made various implications - so either that is true or if you are correct your whole statement is pointless. Not much of a choice really.

You're reading more into my answer than is there.

I made no implications regarding today's bombing, instead I only provided factual information on past bombings that specifically addressed your question. Sorry if it's an answer you apparently dislike.

I think where I erred or became "pointless" was to attempt to impart truthful information and give details in regards to your query. Obviously that's not well received by you, but don't worry, I won't make make further attempts to help you out when you don't know something.

[kutjebu]

Why don't we wait for a bit more detail before we start accusing Thaksin or the red shirts. This isn't their M O and doesn't seem to ne aimed anything political or elite.

I agree,... I'm no supporter of the redshirts by a long shot... That said I can't see anything for them in doing this out in Minburi... Seems far more likely a feud between industrial schools... That isn't to say that the redshirts are not behind it, I just don't think most likely...

I was waiting that some bullshitter was claiming the red shirts.Everything what is going wrong in this country are the redshirts.

Flooding,redshirts,corruption redshirts,occupation of the airport,redshirts of course.

[Deeral]

By your own suggestion you make no implication, therefore your post has no content or relation to mine. On the other hand if we accept your are making implications (you claim they are EXAMPLES - of what ??) then i have to say they too have no logical connection to my argument so either way you are making a false syllogism.

Most of the "points" or "arguments" posted here are nothing of the sort - they are simple baseless blurtings of prejudice - yours appear to be no exception.

[Buchholz]

By your own suggestion you make no implication, therefore your post has no content or relation to mine. On the other hand if we accept your are making implications (you claim they are EXAMPLES - of what ??) then i have to say they too have no logical connection to my argument so either way you are making a false syllogism.

Most of the "points" or "arguments" posted here are nothing of the sort - they are simple baseless blurtings of prejudice - yours appear to be no exception.

*sigh*... I'll give this one last shot.

You asked if earlier bombings had been attributed to a group.

I answered they had. My examples were instances where the group responsible for those bombings had been identified.

I wasn't attempting to address your argument, only answering what appeared to be a question.

I specifically noted that even though that group had been identified in past bombings, that did not infer they were responsible for today's bombing.

[dude007]

One inflammatory post removed from view also three quoted replies.

There they go again... is this an open "forum"? Are we in Burma?

[ES1]

Jeez! when will this end. must of been a very frightening experiance.

When will what end? Life? Sheit happens. Get over it! Somewhere something is happening right now. Good things, bad things, stupid things, scary things, sad things, happy things. Because stuff happens. You don't even know why this happened and you are already getting stupid over it.

Edited November 15, 2010 by ES1

[phiphidon]

"Although Bangkok has been rattled by a number of minor blasts since rallies by anti-government protesters in April and May, " - can you explain this comment too.have the bomb blasts been "claimed" by any one particular body? or were they anonymous

A number of recent bombings have resulted in a number of Red Shirts arrested:

Thailand's Fragile Peace Threatened, Bomb Attack

http://www.thaivisa....eace-threatened

Another Red Shirt was responsible for this bomb:

At Least Three Dead In Bomb Blast At Bangkok Apartment Building

http://www.thaivisa....rtment-building

A Pheu Thai Party employee was responsible for this one:

Rocket Launcher, Ammo Found In Bangkok

http://www.thaivisa....-bangkok-police

But that's not to say they are involved in this particular bombing.

.

Please can you desist from the constant attempts at linkage and scaremongering ?

The situation in Thailand is complex and bad enough as it is without your constant irrelevancies.

A question was asked and answered.

I'm sorry if you find that process irrelevant.

If you feel straight-forward, concise, and accurate answers is scaremongering, I'm again sorry you feel that way.

Perhaps it would help if read posts as face value instead of attempting to erroneously read something into them that isn't there in reality.

The question asked was "have the bomb blasts been "claimed" by any one particular body?" You answered that with the comment, "A number of recent bombings have resulted in a number of Red Shirts arrested" and helpfully provided details. Unfortunately, it didn't answer the question but simply provided you with the opportunity to mention Red Shirts and bombing, unfortunately even you couldn't manage to insert that well worn nugget, Thaksin, though I'm sure it's only a matter of time. In two of the three cases you put forward as evidence the accused has denied all charges. In the third, apparently the DSI are still investigating, so no claims of responsibility by the red shirts there then. So, no you didn't answer the question with "straight-forward, concise, and accurate answers".

Oh and the last line, "But that's not to say they are involved in this particular bombing", priceless.

[JoshuaCaleb]

Have the injured people been identified?

[whybother]

Have the injured people been identified?

Yes.

[Buchholz]

The question asked was "have the bomb blasts been "claimed" by any one particular body?" You answered that with the comment, "A number of recent bombings have resulted in a number of Red Shirts arrested" and helpfully provided details. Unfortunately, it didn't answer the question

My reply answered the question I thought was being asked and been asked before on other threads and that was to clarify that a number of the bombings have been attributed to one particular body.

In two of the three cases you put forward as evidence the accused has denied all charges.

What are the two? In the first thread linked, several Reds have admitted to their involvement in the bombing of Bhum Jai Thai Party headquarters.

In the second link, the accused is dead. I don't think he's denying anything at the moment. That he was a Red Shirt has been satisfactorily documented.

In the third, apparently the DSI are still investigating, so no claims of responsibility by the red shirts there then.

Yes, they are still investigating the third case. Although the Pheu Thai Party and the Red Shirts are inextricably connected, it's also the one out of the three that I didn't specifically identify him as a Red Shirt,.

So, no you didn't answer the question with "straight-forward, concise, and accurate answers".

You'll have to do better than that, because that's what it was.

[whybother]

Although Bangkok has been rattled by a number of minor blasts since rallies by anti-government protesters in April and May, it was not clear if the latest incident, at around 5pm (1000 GMT), was politically motivated.

"We still don't know if it was a conflict between students or something else. Someone threw a grenade on to a minibus," Police Lieutenant Colonel Montri Kongjumpa, of eastern Min Buri district's police station, told AFP.

"We're now waiting for the explosive specialists to investigate the scene, but initially there is one person dead and eight injured," he added.

The Reds deny any involvement and have accused the authorities of a plot to justify tougher security powers.

I love that part. Government and police do not know any details as yet, but the REDS already blaming the government

Nobody, including the reds, have directed any blame for this tragedy -- stop trying to troll for responses by taking one section of an article totally out of context.

Say something constructive, like " our best wishes to the family of the deceased and to the injured for a speedy recovery ".

In fact, according to the news article, the reds HAVE accused the authorities.

[ES1]

Although Bangkok has been rattled by a number of minor blasts since rallies by anti-government protesters in April and May, it was not clear if the latest incident, at around 5pm (1000 GMT), was politically motivated.

"We still don't know if it was a conflict between students or something else. Someone threw a grenade on to a minibus," Police Lieutenant Colonel Montri Kongjumpa, of eastern Min Buri district's police station, told AFP.

"We're now waiting for the explosive specialists to investigate the scene, but initially there is one person dead and eight injured," he added.

The Reds deny any involvement and have accused the authorities of a plot to justify tougher security powers.

I love that part. Government and police do not know any details as yet, but the REDS already blaming the government

Nobody, including the reds, have directed any blame for this tragedy -- stop trying to troll for responses by taking one section of an article totally out of context.

Say something constructive, like " our best wishes to the family of the deceased and to the injured for a speedy recovery ".

In fact, according to the news article, the reds HAVE accused the authorities.

Yawwwnnn, the reds will slowly get worked up again, start another protest of some sort, someone stupid enough to appear as an organizer/leader will emerge in public and promply be shot in the head. All the Thaksin lemmings and organizers will then once again run off to Issan and hide. Rinse, repeat!

Edited November 15, 2010 by ES1

[rubl]

Irrespective of who is responsible-this is lunacy. If someone has a problem with government, then target government, if the problem with army, then attack the army.

How are the people on the bus responsible for anything?

Perhaps someone on the bus was the target, I wouldn't assume that someone with a problem with the government would attack a public bus.

With due respect, but may I remind you of the grenade attack on BTS Saladaeng on the 28th of April this year ? That situation suggested someone with a problem with the current government attacked, although maybe just meant for the protesting yellow/pink shirts under the station. Maybe one of Seh Daeng's black shirts in Lumpini park involved. One dead, 80+ wounded.

(edit: add 'although ... station')

forensics shows that grenade was fired from chula hospital and not from the red shirt stronghold, they were not in the hospital, this however led to them storming the hospital to find the army that were holed up there. But don't let facts get in the way of a good old red shirt hanging.

Quiet why anyone's first thought about this was political is beyond me, my first thought was a dispute between van owners, but then again i dont have my head up my arse and think the reds are to blame for everything like some posters think.

Don't start again. Forensic research showed something may have been fired from some floors of one of the Chula hospital buildings, eyewitnesses indicated other floors, lots indicate somewhere around Lumpini. The red-shirts stormed the hospital and harassed patients, took some guards and basicly destroyed their 'peaceful protesters, not terrorists' image once again.

Now back to why I made my remark. Ukrules doubted someone with a grudge on the government would attack a public bus. I only mentioned that that idea is not so far-fetched as at first it may seem. Nothing to do with 'red shirt hanging', they are quite capable and don't need help.

Furthermore you wonder why 'anyone's first thought about this was political'. May I suggest you ask member ukrules ?

Stay cool, keep smiling and avoid buses

[Canada]

Like most countries of this planet, Thailand is violent, that's it.

We have to accept that.

If we do not want violence, we have to go to... Canada? Norway?

Canada? Is that the place where some idiot killed 49 women, then fed them to his pigs. Or maybe it was on highway 16 that is called the "highway of tears", because so many dead bodies have been found murdered along the route. There is no country immune from violence. Don't know about Norway so won't comment.

Never heard of the highway 16 thing, but yeah, Willie Pickton....not sure how many, but more than a few. Lots missing but I don't think they pinned them all on him. My thoughts too , on reading this,,,, Canada is violent. Depends on where you go. Same as the rest of the world.

[JoshuaCaleb]

Have the injured people been identified?

Yes.

Is there a news report that says who was injured and taken to the hospital?

[monkfish]

I have no struggle to undertstand the sentence -- its meaning is quite clear. However, the sentence, within the context of the article, in no manner refers to the bus bomb/grenade incident today.

Either you are deperately trolling or you genuinely need to take remedial reading -- read the entire article, slowly and in sequence!

Are you joking? what incident is it referring to? the shooting of a boy? What incident is this press release about? Please stop the insanity

If you read the quote below is makes sense.

Notice the July and September bit then read on.

The government stepped up security following a string of minor blasts in Bangkok, including one at a bus stop in July that killed a man, and the discovery of three bombs, later defused, within a matter of hours in September.

The Reds deny any involvement and have accused the authorities of a plot to justify tougher security powers.

Edited November 15, 2010 by monkfish

[pisico]

Like most countries of this planet, Thailand is violent, that's it.

We have to accept that.

If we do not want violence, we have to go to... Canada? Norway?

And die of boredom?

[yellow1red1]

One inflammatory post removed from view also three quoted replies.

There they go again... is this an open "forum"? Are we in Burma?

the open forums and blogs have been shut down by the govt;;;

Burma? not geographically,, but,,,

well it's not exactly Kansas Dorothy

On Corruption, freedom of speech, Censorship rankings

Thailand rates close to Burma = same/like Burma

[rubl]

One inflammatory post removed from view also three quoted replies.

There they go again... is this an open "forum"? Are we in Burma?

the open forums and blogs have been shut down by the govt;;;

Burma? not geographically,, but,,,

well it's not exactly Kansas Dorothy

On Corruption, freedom of speech, Censorship rankings

Thailand rates close to Burma = same/like Burma

Welcome to this new world of 'not so open' forums and blogs. People and organisations worldwide get censored, sued, prosecuted, persecuted, etc. for writing what they think. This independent of whether what they think is correct or not. Not specific Thailand though.

As a commentator on George W. Bush's book said 'If you really want to hear about it, the first thing you'll probably want to do is talk to Cheney'.

[mark2552]

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[mark2552]

HOW brave to throw a bomb on a bus...I hope they find this person and burn him to death

[yellow1red1]

One inflammatory post removed from view also three quoted replies.

There they go again... is this an open "forum"? Are we in Burma?

the open forums and blogs have been shut down by the govt;;;

Burma? not geographically,, but,,,

well it's not exactly Kansas Dorothy

On Corruption, freedom of speech, Censorship rankings

Thailand rates close to Burma = same/like Burma

Welcome to this new world of 'not so open' forums and blogs. People and organisations worldwide get censored, sued, prosecuted, persecuted, etc. for writing what they think. This independent of whether what they think is correct or not. Not specific Thailand though.

As a commentator on George W. Bush's book said 'If you really want to hear about it, the first thing you'll probably want to do is talk to Cheney'.

what an imagination s t r e t c h i n g Comment,

it got me thinking Thailand is more like America than Burma HA ----- not

and N Korea is just like Norway? 2x HA

[siampolee]

Sad to say, '' but I do not believe we shall ever know the truth concerning this heinous deed.''