Bangkok Red Shirt Rally To Be Peaceful: Jatuporn

[SomTumTiger]

Well, the Red's Million Man March turned out to be about 100,000 (mostly paid). This 10,000 gathering will probably turn out to be about 1,000 (the unpaid die hards - since the money was frozen).

[Buchholz]

"Why do we have the emergency law? It is to limit the people's freedom," Somyot Pruksakasemsuk, a leading protester for Friday's rally, told AFP.

"We have the right to express our feelings."

As in the burning and the looting of buildings the interference with the daily lives of uninvolved citizens along with the prolonged closure of schools due to the protest.

What a wonderful ideal Somyot Pruksakasemsuk has of , ''freedom.''

Freedom is for all, not just a few individuals who were being funded by a criminal to further his, and his family along with their acolytes own ends.

Should also note the threat from Somyot (often transliterated as Somyos) made earlier:

A red-shirt leader warned Thursday certain red-shirt people may turn suicide bombers to avenge the government crackdowns and fight for democracy.

The warning was made by Somyos Prueksakasemsuk

Red Shirt Faction Leader Warns Some Red Shirts May Become Suicide Bombers

Additionally, Somyot's publication, Red Power,

depicts what a wonderful ideal Somyot Pruksakasemsuk has of , ''freedom'' and "democracy."

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Edited November 19, 2010 by Buchholz

[Robby nz]

They have no choice - they have no money (Frozen) - they have no leaders (except for Jatuporn the asshat) - and they have no platform to stand on

Peaceful or else...

Well, the Red's Million Man March turned out to be about 100,000 (mostly paid). This 10,000 gathering will probably turn out to be about 1,000 (the unpaid die hards - since the money was frozen).

Interesting STT about the frozen bank accounts.

On another thread a red supporter used the frozen accounts as an excuse as to why the red leaders had not attempted to help the lesser reds in prison, Yet:

Both the account holders and the reds denied they (the accounts) were used in any way to fund the red activities.

Seems somebody is telling porkies again.

[webfact]

Reds kick off rally dressed in black

About 1,000 red shirts on Friday’s morning kicked off a day of rememberance of the bloodshed by rallying at the Bangkok Remand Prison to demand the release of their leaders under detention.

The protesters were dressed in black to mourn for those killed and injured in April and May.

The planned activities at the prison rally include the laying of red roses for moral support to remanded leaders and the tying of black cloth around the prison wall as an opposition gesture to injustice.

Metropolitan Police Region 2 commander Saroj Phromcharoen is in charge of security. He said he expects the prison rally to last two hours. About two companies of riot forces have been deployed to keep peace.

Following the prison rally, the red shirts are expected to travel on to protest at the Department of Special Investigation on Chaeng Wattana Road and the Rajprasong Intersection, the main rally site in May.

-- The Nation 2010-11-19

[webfact]

Metro police deputy chief inspecting Ratchaprasong intersection, venue of Red Shirt rally today; 7-8 companies of police deployed to ensure safety /MCOT

[truethailand]

Well, 10,000 protesters on a Friday at Ratchaprasong! Maybe I should take a day off rather than get stuck in traffic.

That's described as "snarling" traffic in the American notice.

It was interesting to observe the news during the floods in the south and the NE. The people in the south interviewed said they will find their own solutions on their own and take care of themselves. All the ones from Korat all wanted handouts from the government and compensation. Speaks for itself live on channel 3 just what sort of people are being bred up there.

Can't believe they are still going at it over this red shirt silliness, and all the credibility they've all lost. They need a new way of thinking.

They have a way of thinking that will remain. ' I am p1ss poor and do not want my children to go through life the same as me' We all confuse the red shirt leadership with the plight of its followers. The leadership is hel_l bent on wrestling power from the sitting incumbents, then abuse the system the way every other person in power does. The leadership needs the followers and visa versa. The followers have a social issue that will not go away, they want a better life. They want good schools, hospitals and jobs near where they live. These people have been abused as the immigrant workforce of Thailand to fill the big mans factories in places like Rayong ). Family life as a unit is all but destroyed because family members have to go away to work. If you dont agree with red politics thats fine but only a heartless person cannot recognise the plight of these people. Why have successive governments ignored the facts, the area needs massive investments.

Companies wanting to do business in Thailand should be encouraged to set up shop in poorer areas. Have you ever wondered why they build factories in the south then move the workforce from the North and North east to fill the factories.(and dont reply its because of the ports). Which farang on here originates from a country that does not give all sorts of incentives for international companies to set up in deprived areas that has the skills required (minimal). Documented on the net 'State within the State' How Thailand does business. Go google it you may start to understand what most poor people in Thailand already know

[Huey]

They have no choice - they have no money (Frozen) - they have no leaders (except for Jatuporn the asshat) - and they have no platform to stand on

Peaceful or else...

So long as no non red shirts are harmed I would prefer "else", and have them mopped up by the army like the terrorist trash they are.

[jdinasia]

Truethailand,

as long as the redshirts ride the coattails of people like Thaksin and the people he puts in place, as long as they are willing to use violence, as long as they expect the impossible and to have it immediately ... they will have no legitimacy.

There isn't a place in the world that doesn't have financial/opportunity disparity in the population. Those things will never have an instant fix. There will never be the same opportunities in upper NE Isaan as there are along he Rayong seaboard. Farmers will never make as much money as university educated professionals. These are simple facts that must be faced. Thailand is a developing country and doing quite well but everything will take time. Thai governments will always be faced with questions that are hard to answer. Should we spend tax $$ developing infrastructure in rural Thailand or should we spend tax money to increase the tax base itself (spending tax money where tax money is generated?)

The answer has to be.. it needs to be spent both in rural Thailand and in the commercial/industrial hubs of Thailand as well. Thailand can't move forward without increasing the tax base. Subsistence farming with enough left over to have some ability to purchase the necessities and some indulgences is still possible. The youth of rural Thailand want more than that. They have to move to areas that have cash paying jobs to get more than that.

There are some valid arguments mentioned above, including the fact that it isn't the rural poor from all over Thailand that are joining the redshirts. It is mostly (not totally) limited to areas where Thaksin spent taxpayer money whilst making the largesse seem as if it came from Thaksin himself, along with where he spent his own money to gain temporary alliances from the local political machines. Those temporary alliances have since failed.

The PR machine that was used and is still being used to hold some sway over the rural poor of NE and N Thailand is atrocious. The lies being fed to these people by their "leaders" and the village political systems are making the redshirts into zombie mushroom sheep .... (fed crap--- kept in the dark --- and will willingly and blindly follow leadership that has no real desire to help them!)

Are there social inequities in Thailand that must be addressed? Obviously! Is the redshirt movment a way to get those addresed? obviously not!

Edited November 19, 2010 by jdinasia

[Crushdepth]

I'm absolutely stunned that the authorities have let the protestors back into Ratchaprasong. Stupid, useless @#$#@$@##%@.

[webfact]

Red-shirts Begin to Gather at Bangkok Remand Prison

A number of red-shirt protesters, clad in red and black, have begun to gather in front of the Bangkok Remand Prison to mark the 6 month anniversary of the red-shirt protest in May earlier this year. The protesters have taken up almost all of the lanes in front of the prison, leaving only 1 lane opened to motorists. They are expected to travel to the Department of Special Investigation in 2 hours.

-- Tan Network 2010-11-19

[Xangsamhua]

I'm absolutely stunned that the authorities have let the protestors back into Ratchaprasong. Stupid, useless @#$#@$@##%@.

Me, too. What if they just prop there the way they did last time? What if agents provocateurs turn things nasty? At least the kids are in school now, so they won't be taking them.

I would have thought, after their last performance, demonstrating in Rajprasong is one entitlement the reds have well and truly lost.

[webfact]

UPDATE

Thai 'Red Shirts' begin rally six months after crackdown

by Anusak Konglang

BANGKOK, November 19, 2010 (AFP) - Thai "Red Shirts" gathered Friday outside a Bangkok prison where the movement's leaders are held as they began events to mark six months since a deadly army crackdown on their anti-government rally.

Police estimate that 10,000 people will take to the streets by the evening in the upmarket central shopping zone that the Reds brought to a standstill earlier this year with their campaign for snap elections.

Wearing black and red, members of the protest movement tied black ribbons on the gate of the capital's Remand Prison as the day's events began.

"In general the situation is peaceful and orderly as 300 police are on guard," said Colonel Piya Uthayo, spokesman for Bangkok Metropolitan Police.

He said that around 200 people gathered outside, while about 100 were allowed into the prison at one point to visit the detainees for up to 20 minutes at a time.

Though no-one has been convicted, 19 senior Reds are currently in jail on terrorism charges relating to the unrest during the April and May street protests, while others thought to have played key roles remain on the run.

Red Shirts, many of them supporters of fugitive former premier Thaksin Shinawatra who was ousted in a 2006 coup, took to the streets in mid-March, with numbers peaking at 100,000 before a May 19 crackdown by security forces.

More than 90 people -- mainly civilians -- were left dead in clashes between demonstrators and soldiers, and nearly 1,900 were injured.

Somyot Pruksakasemsuk, a leading protester at Friday's rally, said that many Red Shirts would gather in the afternoon in Bangkok's retail heart.

The US Embassy has warned foreigners to keep away from proceedings and predicted that as many as 15,000 people could attend.

Despite an emergency law invoked in response to the violence, which bans assemblies of more than five people, the Red Shirts have held several mass gatherings to remember the dead and continue to press their demands.

The mainly poor and working class protesters accuse the government, led by Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva, of being elitist and undemocratic.

Since the May crackdown a number of small blasts have rattled the capital and an explosion killed four people at a Bangkok apartment block last month.

The government has pointed the finger at the Reds, but they deny any involvement and accuse authorities of seeking to justify tougher security powers. Bangkok and three surrounding provinces remain under a state of emergency.

The authorities have used the wide-ranging powers to arrest hundreds of suspects and silence anti-government media -- earning criticism from rights groups.

"Why do we have the emergency law? It is to limit the people's freedom," Somyot told AFP. "We have the right to express our feelings."

-- (c) Copyright AFP 2010-11-19

[anterian]

trying to get a balanced view of the Red philosophy from most of the forum members is like trying to fly a kite on a windless day.... hard work

[ianbaggie]

They have no choice - they have no money (Frozen) - they have no leaders (except for Jatuporn the asshat) - and they have no platform to stand on

Peaceful or else...

how disapointed will you be if it is peaceful?

Yes, you caught me, I love bloodshed - thanks for that witticism

How disappointed will the red shirts be if it IS peaceful is a more relevant question!!

[webfact]

Red Shirts start to arrive at Ratchaprasong Intersection watched by 500+ police http://yfrog.com/48e91j /via @thaicam /via @RichardBarrow

[jayjay0]

With the redshirt history of violence going back years, I would take any promise of a peaceful rally with a grain of salt.

Jatuporn said

The red-shirt rally planned for tomorrow will abide by the law and remain within the right to a peaceful assembly as prescribed by the Constitution, Pheu Thai MP and organiser Jatuporn Promphan said on Thursday.

Is he implying the big one in Bangkok was not organized with that in mind.

[ianbaggie]

trying to get a balanced view of the Red philosophy from most of the forum members is like trying to fly a kite on a windless day.... hard work

I think the posters on this forum see the red shirts very clearly - they are terrorists - they have no policies in their political wing - the PTP who state when asked about their policies "bring back Thaksin" lets look at Shinawatra - hes a deposed defunct criminal terrorist who was drummed out of the country for STEALING tax money and feeding it into the parent company of Shincorp! thus the red shirts are puppets to a criminal who has to pay them a pittance!! they have murdered, lied and terrorised the paople of bangkok.

MAYBE the posters on this site realise that defending them would be like defending the nazis in the holocaust.

There is no balanced view only a realisation of what Shinawatras revenge now means to Thailand!!

[silp1979]

The engine is running (has run??) out of steam!!

steam is still strong, still possibilty for an explosion IMHO

there will be a LOT OF PEOPLE coming and if there ever will be a vote again in thailand...we will see the result...

[jayjay0]

Reds kick off rally dressed in black

About 1,000 red shirts on Friday's morning kicked off a day of rememberance of the bloodshed by rallying at the Bangkok Remand Prison to demand the release of their leaders under detention.

The protesters were dressed in black to mourn for those killed and injured in April and May.

The planned activities at the prison rally include the laying of red roses for moral support to remanded leaders and the tying of black cloth around the prison wall as an opposition gesture to injustice.

Metropolitan Police Region 2 commander Saroj Phromcharoen is in charge of security. He said he expects the prison rally to last two hours. About two companies of riot forces have been deployed to keep peace.

Following the prison rally, the red shirts are expected to travel on to protest at the Department of Special Investigation on Chaeng Wattana Road and the Rajprasong Intersection, the main rally site in May.

-- The Nation 2010-11-19

Scum laying of the red roses for the leaders. Nothing for the poor suckers who fell for there line and followed them.

Do they call abandoning there followers justice.

On another note does Thailand have a mental health service for people in need?

Just goes to show what they think of the common man.

Edited November 19, 2010 by jayjay0

[jdinasia]

The engine is running (has run??) out of steam!!

steam is still strong, still possibilty for an explosion IMHO

there will be a LOT OF PEOPLE coming and if there ever will be a vote again in thailand...we will see the result...

recent by-elections have shown a significant rejection of PTP/redshirt politics. Your dream of a massive uprising behind the flawed "bring back Thaksin" policies of PTP and the redshirt leadership just won't happen now.

[whybother]

trying to get a balanced view of the Red philosophy from most of the forum members is like trying to fly a kite on a windless day.... hard work

If the red shirts had a balanced view of the Red philosophy it might be a bit easier to get a balanced view of the forum members.

At the moment, there are so many views from the red shirts themselves, that it makes it hard for anyone to get a balanced view. If some red shirts are saying they want Thaksin back, and no red shirts are saying the opposite (or that view isn't being published), then the view is that the red shirts want Thaksin back.

[jayjay0]

trying to get a balanced view of the Red philosophy from most of the forum members is like trying to fly a kite on a windless day.... hard work

Yu will find once you have a balanced view that there philosophy has nothing to do with there actions. And there in is the problem.

[jayjay0]

The engine is running (has run??) out of steam!!

steam is still strong, still possibilty for an explosion IMHO

there will be a LOT OF PEOPLE coming and if there ever will be a vote again in thailand...we will see the result...

Your post is proof positive that there is still steam. Hopefully there is not to many people still fooled by Thaksin. But as your post shows he still has some believers. Unless you are another one he is paying then it dosen't count.

[webfact]

http://twitpic.com/383mz3 Red shirts at Klong Prem prison today. /RT @tulsathit /RT @naelkung

[waza]

Pity the 10,000 red shirts protestors, while at the remand center, didnt pass around the hat to bail a few of their comraded out.

[Mitker]

There are 4 sentences you can skip in this paper. They start with "Jatuporn says...", "Jatuporn promised..." or "Jatuporn declares...".

100% vacuum.

[SomTumTiger]

Well, the Red's Million Man March turned out to be about 100,000 (mostly paid). This 10,000 gathering will probably turn out to be about 1,000 (the unpaid die hards - since the money was frozen).

Ahh - apparently the number is only 400 (reported by the Bangkok Post). Money must be tighter than originally thought.

Edited November 19, 2010 by SomTumTiger

[ianbaggie]

Either money is short - or common sense is high among all but 400

[Gers1873]

Well, 10,000 protesters on a Friday at Ratchaprasong! Maybe I should take a day off rather than get stuck in traffic.

That's described as "snarling" traffic in the American notice.

I for one would be very happy to NEVER see another red OR yellow shirt again.

Now 'black shirts'......lol!!!

[ianbaggie]

Had to laugh at the bunch of farang men arrested on may 12th for running down Sukhumvit rd in just their shorts - when taken to Lumphini Police station and asked what they thought they were doing - they replied - "WERE THE NO SHIRTS" !!

Edited November 19, 2010 by ianbaggie