China urges restraint to South Korea and North Korea

[elcent]

A navel exercise would be the best China could agree with, disconnect with the freak or else mom gonna die with it.

[elcent]

Now with a little humor ...

[bangkokrick]

That is gross!

But back on topic. I found this article to be very interesting and it also confirms that the NK's will possibly act against the US/SK naval exercise.

My link

I hope that I am allowed this link Mods, if not please delete it.

Rick

[TAWP]

The eating baby-stunt is 'fake', props made by an artist and then consumed.

[bangkokrick]

The eating baby-stunt is 'fake', props made by an artist and then consumed.

I was sceptical Tawp. I have been working in China on and off for the past 12 years and I have seen some pretty strange meals, especially in the north, but I have never seen or heard about anything like this. Maybe warrants a new topic

Rick

[bangkokrick]

Can confirm the monkey brain thing, as oddly enough I was discussing this with a Chinese colleague last night. This is the older generation of course and does not come cheap. The younger generation would never be associated with this crap.

Can you remind me what this thread is about?

Rick

[elcent]

Rick, yes the naval exercise was planned before the incident. I'm aware about this for weeks and was strongly opposed from NK since then. Of course the exercise now will be held with extra care, in case off. ...

[bangkokrick]

Rick, yes the naval exercise was planned before the incident. I'm aware about this for weeks and was strongly opposed from NK since then. Of course the exercise now will be held with extra care, in case off. ...

Elcent, did you read the Aljazeera link?

[soundman]

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[bangkokrick]

elcent, you really hate the Chinese don't you? the above statement needs to be proved.

do some google search and you shall find out.

I don't hate the Chinese people, but have issues with the regime and it's policies. That what you see are the consequences of the regime. No religious freedom, no freedom of speech, no freedom ... you can add on ... and on ...

Yes Rick I read the Aljazeera almost on a daily base, so do I read Der Spiegel, Memri and other trustworthy news.

Can you tell me when you last visited China because you are wrong on all counts. I got a lift home last night in a Bentley that cost 4.3 million Yuan from a factory that employs 5000 people, who all have what you say they don't. You still seem to have the image in your mind of the grey suits and red book. You should pay a visit sometime and I am sure that you will be pleasantly surprised. if you want to look at human rights issues look no further than India mate.

Rick

Edited November 26, 2010 by metisdead
Off topic post and reply deleted

[bangkokrick]

Content with explicit & disturbing pictures has been removed from view.

Thanks Soundman. They were horrible and ii think not real.

Rick

[elcent]

Rick, the Bently is a fiber copy of the original, your turn, lol

[elcent]

I said in a related thread that the brainless multies will be the collateral damage. Just material, nothing else ...

I also mentioned that a regime set up like this can't bear any form of empathy.

[elcent]

I understand, and Copperfield could have a field day there and perhaps learn something new?

[bangkokrick]

Reply to post 51.

Yes I read your'e comments and I agree 100%. The down side on this is that US and European countries look for cheap labour and tax concessions that they can exploit. China being one of them. the Chinese as well as other nations of course oblige and give quality products at a cheaper price. This saving is not passed on to the consumers in either the US or Europe, so the retailers profit at the cost of jobs and taxes in their home countries.

Karl Marx said 'give the west enough rope and they will hang themselves' Athough I do not have any communist leanings, I fear that he was correct in his statement.

rick

[elcent]

it's not to late yet, even though some damage,scratches and bruises will be felt for a long time.

[LaoPo]

It's always amazing how the West (and some members here) knows how Asians countries should or should not act and react.

In fact the West is becoming more and more absolutely paranoid when it comes to Asia and China in particular because they're afraid for the UNKNOWN, also because westerners are only "fed" by western news since they can't read the languages in Asia.

Most members here can handle the fun-country Thailand but have no idea about the other Asian countries and the largest of them all: China

The political situation China is finding itself in now, concerning North- and South Korea, next to the role Japan is playing, is not to be envied.

Yet, "we" westerners have all the answers ready on the kitchentable of how all these countries should react and act accordingly...because, of course, The West is always right.....

What nobody brought up is the sensitive COMMERCIAL situation with Nort Korea China is in, because of the recently opened Rajin Port* in North-North Korea and which they leased (built by the Chinese themselves) for a relatively short period of 10 years from the North Koreans.

The North Koreans could shut this important Port overnight and the Chinese couldn't do a thing about it (other than unwanted military force)

It is a very important gateway for the Northern Chinese provinces and Jilin Province in particular to ship their products; next to that it is an important Port for (container) ships as well as cruise ships for Chinese tourists, visiting S Korea and Japan.

The port is also a much shorter route for China to the East Coast of the N American shores, benefitting not only China but S Korean, Japanese and Canadian/USA clients as well.

One should not forget that China is landlocked for some 100 years already in the North and cut off from the ocean by both Russia and North Korea.

* http://maps.google.n...044889&t=h&z=15

and:

China Leases Rajin Port from North Korea

http://www.2point6bi...korea-4396.html

All-in-all, most Westerners know immediately HOW China should act and react to the (dispicable attack by North Korea on the S Korean island and its inhabitants); of course they know......

..the question is....do they know, not being Chinese ?

LaoPo

Edited November 26, 2010 by LaoPo

[LaoPo]

I understand, and Copperfield could have a field day there and perhaps learn something new?

@ elcent: why don't you stop your childish postings and stick to a more serious debate about a serious matter ?

LaoPo

[bangkokrick]

it's not to late yet, even though some damage,scratches and bruises will be felt for a long time.

It is far too late. the West as lost the skills required to fill this void. Even if the industry did return, the skills are no longer there to accomplish. Sad but true! we will just have to live with it I guess. The sleeping dragon has been woken up and it's obvious who did the waking.

You must also realise that China has a huge domestic market and can easily survive without the export trade now that it has been established at the cost of western jobs.

Rick

[elcent]

would be nice to see some South Korean and Japanese comments now.

[metisdead]

Off topic posts and replies have been removed, the topic is:

China urges restraint to South Korea and North Korea

Can we please get back on topic?

Thanks

[elcent]

it's not to late yet, even though some damage,scratches and bruises will be felt for a long time.

It is far too late. the West as lost the skills required to fill this void. Even if the industry did return, the skills are no longer there to accomplish. Sad but true! we will just have to live with it I guess. The sleeping dragon has been woken up and it's obvious who did the waking.

You must also realise that China has a huge domestic market and can easily survive without the export trade now that it has been established at the cost of western jobs.

Rick

I'm actually happy and pleased when China can support and help itself.

There's also a natural shift through the youthfulness in Asia, but that will not last for too long.

In order to safe mankind and the planet we have to go a different way altogether and this can only function through a global empathic civilization ( by the way, a great research on that was initiated by some Brits). When I'm seeing no empathic sensitive actions by the Chinese regime I have big worries about it's real intents.

[LaoPo]

You must also realise that China has a huge domestic market and can easily survive without the export trade now that it has been established at the cost of western jobs.

Rick

It certainly costed the western hemisphere huge amounts of jobs; jobs that were lost due to tradesmen from the same west, sending enormous numbers of buyers to -first Hong Kong, later directly into China itself- to have products produced that were too expensive to produce in the west due to the ever growing greed of the same westerners saying: "We want better houses, 2 cars, more credit, higher salaries...." yeah sure, so what happened?......

........until the moment arrived that the same westerner didn't want to pay the prices anymore for the western-made products.

Next to that: it's an utter misconception that the Chinese manufacturers established the production or trade for EXPORTS themselves; WRONG!

It was "us" who did so.

I know of many many examples of Chinese manufacturers who were and still are only producing for the local market in China: 1.335.000.000 people or 1.335 Billion people! 4 times more people than the population of the EU or USA.

Only because of their (copied from the west also) greed they noticed at a certain stage that most products they made could fetch a much higher price in the west. The only thing they had to do (which is still etremely problematic in China) was finding qualified English speaking staff and QUALITY CONTROL of their products.

I could give you some examples but better on another topic.

LaoPo

[LaoPo]

it's not to late yet, even though some damage,scratches and bruises will be felt for a long time.

It is far too late. the West as lost the skills required to fill this void. Even if the industry did return, the skills are no longer there to accomplish. Sad but true! we will just have to live with it I guess. The sleeping dragon has been woken up and it's obvious who did the waking.

You must also realise that China has a huge domestic market and can easily survive without the export trade now that it has been established at the cost of western jobs.

Rick

I'm actually happy and pleased when China can support and help itself.

There's also a natural shift through the youthfulness in Asia, but that will not last for too long.

In order to safe mankind and the planet we have to go a different way altogether and this can only function through a global empathic civilization ( by the way, a great research on that was initiated by some Brits). When I'm seeing no empathic sensitive actions by the Chinese regime I have big worries about it's real intents.

I worry with you.

The problem we westerners have is that we are so bloody impatient. We want to see changes overnight and do not even give such a huge nation as China more time to change, more time to develop, more time to democratic changes.

If you look at the democratic process in Thailand, every member here KNOWS it is a most difficult process in this country, EVEN knowing Thaland never was a communistic country like some of it's neighbours. Still Democracy is a problem in Thailand.

Many China Experts will, with me, conclude that only a gradually and softly turn into democracy is the way to go for China.

Nobody here on this forum (including myself) knows HOW to rule a country with 1.3 Billion people but a SUDDEN change into democracy would be a drama for China, it's people, their neighbouring countries, including Thailand and the entire world because the people in China have no clue HOW they would cope with FULL democracy since nobody ever told them what democracy really is.

Yet, China is further on the road to democracy than countries like N. Korea, Burma, Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam.

China is only "open" for a mere 2 to 3 decades and I watched the differences myself over a period of more than 30 years and the fact that hundreds of millions of people changed from being dead poor into having better lives says something about the gradual changes China offered so far.

I agree that in our western eyes still many things have to change, but...

Give it time.

The USA, Europe, Africa, Middle East, Oceania.....how long did it take for them to become fully democratic ?

You tell me.

LaoPo

Edited November 26, 2010 by LaoPo

[elcent]

it's not to late yet, even though some damage,scratches and bruises will be felt for a long time.

It is far too late. the West as lost the skills required to fill this void. Even if the industry did return, the skills are no longer there to accomplish. Sad but true! we will just have to live with it I guess. The sleeping dragon has been woken up and it's obvious who did the waking.

You must also realise that China has a huge domestic market and can easily survive without the export trade now that it has been established at the cost of western jobs.

Rick

I'm actually happy and pleased when China can support and help itself.

There's also a natural shift through the youthfulness in Asia, but that will not last for too long.

In order to safe mankind and the planet we have to go a different way altogether and this can only function through a global empathic civilization ( by the way, a great research on that was initiated by some Brits). When I'm seeing no empathic sensitive actions by the Chinese regime I have big worries about it's real intents.

I worry with you.

The problem we westerners have is that we are so bloody impatient. We want to see changes overnight and do not even give such a huge nation as China more time to change, more time to develop, more time to democratic changes.

If you look at the democratic process in Thailand, every member here KNOWS it is a most difficult process in this country, EVEN knowing Thaland never was a communistic country like some of it's neighbours. Still Democracy is a problem in Thailand.

Many China Experts will, with me, conclude that only a gradually and softly turn into democracy is the way to go for China.

Nobody here on this forum (including myself) knows HOW to rule a country with 1.3 Billion people but a SUDDEN change into democracy would be a drama for China, it's people, their neighbouring countries, including Thailand and the entire world because the people in China have no clue HOW they would cope with FULL democracy since nobody ever told them what democracy really is.

Yet, China is further on the road to democracy than countries like N. Korea, Burma, Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam.

China is only "open" for a mere 2 to 3 decades and I watched the differences myself over a period of more than 30 years and the fact that hundreds of millions of people changed from being dead poor into having better lives says something about the gradual changes China offered so far.

I agree that in our western eyes still many things have to change, but...

Give it time.

The USA, Europe, Africa, Middle East, Oceania.....how long did it take for them to become fully democratic ?

You tell me.

LaoPo

LaoPo

You mentioned something about a leased port in North Korea by the Chinese. Is this the same port from where they send arms and nuclear equipment to other rogue states? And why would they lease a port and not just pay each time they use it? This is very tricky from the Chinese regime if one asks me. The Chinese regime doesn't show or act responsible, which is one of the main reasons they are so paranoid. They know they are wrong and still don't want to care and take any kind of responsibility.

As things unfold it's pretty clear that the Chinese regime is behind the recent attacks on civilians in South Korea. It's the Chinese regime that gears up in rhetoric now and therefore revealing themselves. Yesterday's remarks are the proof.

In principle I agree with the slow pace for democratic development, but then it needs also a deep cut in the speedy "I want I want and I want it now attitude no matter how" in material matters. One can't take out the resins only. I'm all for high taxes for all what comes from China and eventually others in the region. It will be a cure for the greed, both the Chinese and alike and the multies.

[LaoPo]

LaoPo

You mentioned something about a leased port in North Korea by the Chinese. Is this the same port from where they send arms and nuclear equipment to other rogue states? And why would they lease a port and not just pay each time they use it? This is very tricky from the Chinese regime if one asks me. The Chinese regime doesn't show or act responsible, which is one of the main reasons they are so paranoid. They know they are wrong and still don't want to care and take any kind of responsibility.

As things unfold it's pretty clear that the Chinese regime is behind the recent attacks on civilians in South Korea. It's the Chinese regime that gears up in rhetoric now and therefore revealing themselves. Yesterday's remarks are the proof.

In principle I agree with the slow pace for democratic development, but then it needs also a deep cut in the speedy "I want I want and I want it now attitude no matter how" in material matters. One can't take out the resins only. I'm all for high taxes for all what comes from China and eventually others in the region. It will be a cure for the greed, both the Chinese and alike and the multies.

If you mean N Korea sending arms and nuclear equipment: the port is only used by the Chinese and the area is "locked" with gates and walls and only to be accessed by Chinese and N Korean workers.

The Chinese built the port because there was NO port, previously.

Your view upon the conflict is a typical western view, not knowing a thing about the very and extremely sensitive situation China is in, trying to handle and cope with the situation. What do you expect? That China invades N Korea. Don't be silly.

It's as silly as your remark that China is behind the recent North Korean attack on this S Korean island. Utter BS!

You have no clue about Asia; your answers show so.

If all the products coming from China bought by Americans, Europeans, Africans and Oceania would be taxed with high taxes you will see what happens in the streets....your OWN streets, and the drama, unfolding before your own eyes, would be so big that you couldn't even comprehend that this happened because of some people wanted this...you amongst them.

Millions of people would lose their jobs, homes, cars and income.

Who's going to pay for that mr elcent ? Your own broke Government ?

Stop talking Nonsense.

LaoPo

[cdnvic]

This is getting a bit too heated, chill out please.

[elcent]

LaoPo

You mentioned something about a leased port in North Korea by the Chinese. Is this the same port from where they send arms and nuclear equipment to other rogue states? And why would they lease a port and not just pay each time they use it? This is very tricky from the Chinese regime if one asks me. The Chinese regime doesn't show or act responsible, which is one of the main reasons they are so paranoid. They know they are wrong and still don't want to care and take any kind of responsibility.

As things unfold it's pretty clear that the Chinese regime is behind the recent attacks on civilians in South Korea. It's the Chinese regime that gears up in rhetoric now and therefore revealing themselves. Yesterday's remarks are the proof.

In principle I agree with the slow pace for democratic development, but then it needs also a deep cut in the speedy "I want I want and I want it now attitude no matter how" in material matters. One can't take out the resins only. I'm all for high taxes for all what comes from China and eventually others in the region. It will be a cure for the greed, both the Chinese and alike and the multies.

If you mean N Korea sending arms and nuclear equipment: the port is only used by the Chinese and the area is "locked" with gates and walls and only to be accessed by Chinese and N Korean workers.

The Chinese built the port because there was NO port, previously.

Your view upon the conflict is a typical western view, not knowing a thing about the very and extremely sensitive situation China is in, trying to handle and cope with the situation. What do you expect? That China invades N Korea. Don't be silly.

It's as silly as your remark that China is behind the recent North Korean attack on this S Korean island. Utter BS!

You have no clue about Asia; your answers show so.

If all the products coming from China bought by Americans, Europeans, Africans and Oceania would be taxed with high taxes you will see what happens in the streets....your OWN streets, and the drama, unfolding before your own eyes, would be so big that you couldn't even comprehend that this happened because of some people wanted this...you amongst them.

Millions of people would lose their jobs, homes, cars and income.

Who's going to pay for that mr elcent ? Your own broke Government ?

Stop talking Nonsense.

LaoPo

you may be right about the port issue, this why I put it as a questions.

Chinese owns the world and itself acts of responibility and not tactical denial and blinding tactics. The idea of boycotting Chinese products or at least put high taxes on anything that comes from there is making the rounds and getting more and more popular. Very fast, isn't it? This is the number one reason why China gets nervous and calls for meetings now.

Until about 15 years ago any multinational company that would have acted as they act today would have been charged with espionage.

What about the IT hackings which are rooted in China? I myself just exposed one of this on my site, which was coming from an IT technology university in China putting links with infected websites up, apart from the ugg boots and copied brand spams.

A short example:

Also about 15 years ago I witnessed a German project run by a University which was able to make t-shirt and sweater vendor machines. One could even make his own design and colors with an option to choose from various fabrics for about 150 Baht. 2 minutes and done. Rubber prints were another option.

When I asked why don't you put them in the market the answer was, because we are considerate and it would kill all garment businesses in Asia.

This is to show you that there's still lots of know-how hidden elsewhere. Know-hows that could easily cope with any issues you're concerned with.

Any consideration coming from China, except aggressive behavior? I don't see anything that they contribute to the world other than cheap copies and crappy products. I myself could put up a long list, including multies, one, for which I paid the full price and which just broke down in Chinese style timing, three months for a whooping $1,300.00 product, which was as expensive as if it were made in Japan or Germany. I didn't check before, my bad.

Funny, Walmart is already jumping over at CNN. More and more pressure comes from the people to shut down on Chinese imports. They can open a market in NK if they want to. This time the multies will not have any influence in political matters. The Chinese who were speculating with this woke up to the facts, so, will you?

No resourcefulness coming from China and even prides itself to be the number one polluter on the globe now.

[bangkokrick]

LaoPo

You mentioned something about a leased port in North Korea by the Chinese. Is this the same port from where they send arms and nuclear equipment to other rogue states? And why would they lease a port and not just pay each time they use it? This is very tricky from the Chinese regime if one asks me. The Chinese regime doesn't show or act responsible, which is one of the main reasons they are so paranoid. They know they are wrong and still don't want to care and take any kind of responsibility.

As things unfold it's pretty clear that the Chinese regime is behind the recent attacks on civilians in South Korea. It's the Chinese regime that gears up in rhetoric now and therefore revealing themselves. Yesterday's remarks are the proof.

In principle I agree with the slow pace for democratic development, but then it needs also a deep cut in the speedy "I want I want and I want it now attitude no matter how" in material matters. One can't take out the resins only. I'm all for high taxes for all what comes from China and eventually others in the region. It will be a cure for the greed, both the Chinese and alike and the multies.

If you mean N Korea sending arms and nuclear equipment: the port is only used by the Chinese and the area is "locked" with gates and walls and only to be accessed by Chinese and N Korean workers.

The Chinese built the port because there was NO port, previously.

Your view upon the conflict is a typical western view, not knowing a thing about the very and extremely sensitive situation China is in, trying to handle and cope with the situation. What do you expect? That China invades N Korea. Don't be silly.

It's as silly as your remark that China is behind the recent North Korean attack on this S Korean island. Utter BS!

You have no clue about Asia; your answers show so.

If all the products coming from China bought by Americans, Europeans, Africans and Oceania would be taxed with high taxes you will see what happens in the streets....your OWN streets, and the drama, unfolding before your own eyes, would be so big that you couldn't even comprehend that this happened because of some people wanted this...you amongst them.

Millions of people would lose their jobs, homes, cars and income.

Who's going to pay for that mr elcent ? Your own broke Government ?

Stop talking Nonsense.

LaoPo

you may be right about the port issue, this why I put it as a questions.

Chinese owns the world and itself acts of responibility and not tactical denial and blinding tactics. The idea of boycotting Chinese products or at least put high taxes on anything that comes from there is making the rounds and getting more and more popular. Very fast, isn't it? This is the number one reason why China gets nervous and calls for meetings now.

Until about 15 years ago any multinational company that would have acted as they act today would have been charged with espionage.

What about the IT hackings which are rooted in China? I myself just exposed one of this on my site, which was coming from an IT technology university in China putting links with infected websites up, apart from the ugg boots and copied brand spams.

A short example:

Also about 15 years ago I witnessed a German project run by a University which was able to make t-shirt and sweater vendor machines. One could even make his own design and colors with an option to choose from various fabrics for about 150 Baht. 2 minutes and done. Rubber prints were another option.

When I asked why don't you put them in the market the answer was, because we are considerate and it would kill all garment businesses in Asia.

This is to show you that there's still lots of know-how hidden elsewhere. Know-hows that could easily cope with any issues you're concerned with.

Any consideration coming from China, except aggressive behavior? I don't see anything that they contribute to the world other than cheap copies and crappy products. I myself could put up a long list, including multies, one, for which I paid the full price and which just broke down in Chinese style timing, three months for a whooping $1,300.00 product, which was as expensive as if it were made in Japan or Germany. I didn't check before, my bad.

Funny, Walmart is already jumping over at CNN. More and more pressure comes from the people to shut down on Chinese imports. They can open a market in NK if they want to. This time the multies will not have any influence in political matters. The Chinese who were speculating with this woke up to the facts, so, will you?

No resourcefulness coming from China and even prides itself to be the number one polluter on the globe now.

They will never shut down Chinese imports because in many cases the Chinese manufacturers are the sole providers. There was a case 2 years ago when the US and Europe refused to let Chinese ships dock because they were accused of dumping products. (selling products at lower than production costs). They soon backed down because it was Christmas and there was nothing in the stores. loss of money for the retailers and the governments. Money talks.

Please give an example of recent Chinese aggression.

Rick

[elcent]

LaoPo

You mentioned something about a leased port in North Korea by the Chinese. Is this the same port from where they send arms and nuclear equipment to other rogue states? And why would they lease a port and not just pay each time they use it? This is very tricky from the Chinese regime if one asks me. The Chinese regime doesn't show or act responsible, which is one of the main reasons they are so paranoid. They know they are wrong and still don't want to care and take any kind of responsibility.

As things unfold it's pretty clear that the Chinese regime is behind the recent attacks on civilians in South Korea. It's the Chinese regime that gears up in rhetoric now and therefore revealing themselves. Yesterday's remarks are the proof.

In principle I agree with the slow pace for democratic development, but then it needs also a deep cut in the speedy "I want I want and I want it now attitude no matter how" in material matters. One can't take out the resins only. I'm all for high taxes for all what comes from China and eventually others in the region. It will be a cure for the greed, both the Chinese and alike and the multies.

If you mean N Korea sending arms and nuclear equipment: the port is only used by the Chinese and the area is "locked" with gates and walls and only to be accessed by Chinese and N Korean workers.

The Chinese built the port because there was NO port, previously.

Your view upon the conflict is a typical western view, not knowing a thing about the very and extremely sensitive situation China is in, trying to handle and cope with the situation. What do you expect? That China invades N Korea. Don't be silly.

It's as silly as your remark that China is behind the recent North Korean attack on this S Korean island. Utter BS!

You have no clue about Asia; your answers show so.

If all the products coming from China bought by Americans, Europeans, Africans and Oceania would be taxed with high taxes you will see what happens in the streets....your OWN streets, and the drama, unfolding before your own eyes, would be so big that you couldn't even comprehend that this happened because of some people wanted this...you amongst them.

Millions of people would lose their jobs, homes, cars and income.

Who's going to pay for that mr elcent ? Your own broke Government ?

Stop talking Nonsense.

LaoPo

you may be right about the port issue, this why I put it as a questions.

Chinese owns the world and itself acts of responibility and not tactical denial and blinding tactics. The idea of boycotting Chinese products or at least put high taxes on anything that comes from there is making the rounds and getting more and more popular. Very fast, isn't it? This is the number one reason why China gets nervous and calls for meetings now.

Until about 15 years ago any multinational company that would have acted as they act today would have been charged with espionage.

What about the IT hackings which are rooted in China? I myself just exposed one of this on my site, which was coming from an IT technology university in China putting links with infected websites up, apart from the ugg boots and copied brand spams.

A short example:

Also about 15 years ago I witnessed a German project run by a University which was able to make t-shirt and sweater vendor machines. One could even make his own design and colors with an option to choose from various fabrics for about 150 Baht. 2 minutes and done. Rubber prints were another option.

When I asked why don't you put them in the market the answer was, because we are considerate and it would kill all garment businesses in Asia.

This is to show you that there's still lots of know-how hidden elsewhere. Know-hows that could easily cope with any issues you're concerned with.

Any consideration coming from China, except aggressive behavior? I don't see anything that they contribute to the world other than cheap copies and crappy products. I myself could put up a long list, including multies, one, for which I paid the full price and which just broke down in Chinese style timing, three months for a whooping $1,300.00 product, which was as expensive as if it were made in Japan or Germany. I didn't check before, my bad.

Funny, Walmart is already jumping over at CNN. More and more pressure comes from the people to shut down on Chinese imports. They can open a market in NK if they want to. This time the multies will not have any influence in political matters. The Chinese who were speculating with this woke up to the facts, so, will you?

No resourcefulness coming from China and even prides itself to be the number one polluter on the globe now.

They will never shut down Chinese imports because in many cases the Chinese manufacturers are the sole providers. There was a case 2 years ago when the US and Europe refused to let Chinese ships dock because they were accused of dumping products. (selling products at lower than production costs). They soon backed down because it was Christmas and there was nothing in the stores. loss of money for the retailers and the governments. Money talks.

Please give an example of recent Chinese aggression.

Rick

Rick,check community sites with public participation and you will know what I'm talking about. I can present thousands of webmasters, with a membership from a couple of hundreds to about 20 million members, having this problem. I'm discussing this particular issues on other forums and counter scripts are developed to defend these, I call it also attacks.

On the import issues, - never say never.